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Liriano 7-0 last 8 starts, 21 1/3 scorless innings (1 Viewer)

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Stats back up Liriano's strides

By LA VELLE E. NEAL III, Star Tribune

Last update: July 11, 2008 - 11:10 PM

Don't know if ya'll recall

When Liriano pitched that Nationally televised game against Houston a couple years ago against Clemens, Houston players said Liriano's … read more "stuff" was the best they had ever seen. I believe the Twins won that game 4 - 0.

DETROIT - Lefthander Francisco Liriano turned in his third consecutive strong outing for Class AAA Rochester, and Twins manager Ron Gardenhire has taken notice.

"Those are starting to get to be the numbers you are hoping for," Gardenhire said.

The numbers?

Liriano shut out Durham for seven innings, giving up three hits while walking one and striking out eight. He threw 87 pitches as he improved to 7-2 with a 3.53 ERA.

And here are some more numbers. He is 7-0 in his past eight starts and has a scoreless streak of 21 1/3 innings.

And a couple more: His fastball averaged 93 miles per hour and topped out at 95.

Gardenhire made no indications that the club was considering calling up Liriano, although he indicated that the starting rotation is set for now. But he did talk about the importance of having depth in the minors. Liriano is emerging as an option as he finds his form after Tommy John surgery in 2006 and missing all of last season.

"When you haven't pitched in a long time it comes down to consistency and stretching out and he's doing it," Gardenhire said. "He's done exactly what he's supposed to do."

 
Dude's awesome. I like the decision to keep him down for awhile and call him up as late as possible if they stay on pace for a playoff push. We brought him up way too early last time after surgery. Let his confidence keep soaring while the rotation again pitches far beyond reasonable expectations (seriously, do the Twins ever not over-achieve??).

 
More on Liriano

Class AAA Rochester manager Stan Cliburn had the best view of Francisco Liriano's seven shutout innings on Thursday.

There were reports that Liriano topped out at 95 miles per hour on the radar gun, but Cliburn went one step further.

"He struck out one guy and hit 99 on the gun," he said.

Some radar guns are off by a few miles an hour. Even so, it shows the jump in Liriano's velocity lately. Cliburn said the lefthander's slider and changeup also have been better.

"He's starting to look like the old Liriano," Cliburn said.

 
He's a great guy to have in a redraft league, but since Minnesota let him revert back to his old 3/4 arm slot, I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole in a dynasty league unless I could get him cheap. I wonder how many wicked sliders he threw during those 20 scoreless innings :confused: I hope he has Dr. Andrews on speed dial.

 
He's a great guy to have in a redraft league, but since Minnesota let him revert back to his old 3/4 arm slot, I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole in a dynasty league unless I could get him cheap. I wonder how many wicked sliders he threw during those 20 scoreless innings :bye: I hope he has Dr. Andrews on speed dial.
Reportedly he's been throwing it a lot more.
 
Liriano: Why am I still in the minors?

Saying he's a "much better pitcher" than he was in April, the lefthander is confused about why he's still in the minors.

By JIM MANDELARO, Special to the Star Tribune

Last update: July 18, 2008 - 11:52 PM

Everybody wants Liriano up ...

but it can't be at the expense of any pitcher on the staff right now - including Hernandez. Maybe even especially Hernandez. Oh, and by … read more the way, Hernandez isn't even the worst pitcher on the staff right now, Boof is. Who do you move around to create a space? The four young starters are playing too well. And, no, moving Perkins back to the bullpen is not the way either - you only have to look at tonight's line against the best hitting team in the majors to confirm that. Putting Liriano in the bullpen isn't an option either. Korecky, Bass and Bonser are all out of options. They would have to clear waivers in order for them to get sent down. Hernandez could reject a minor league assignment and go free agent like Rincon did. Everybody wants pitching right now, any of those guys (even Hernandez) would get snatched up in a second. Liriano is doing great at AAA right now, but AAA numbers rarely carry over into the majors. Even if there was no doubt that he was every bit the pitcher right now that he was in 2006, he barely pitched a half a season. Yes, he was amazing, but it's very likely his numbers would have leveled off a bit once batters started getting more looks at him. Liriano is NOT the 100% for sure thing everybody wants to make him out to be. There is a good chance he could come up and fall flat on his face again. At the very least, there would probably be an adjustment period. If you make a move to open a spot for Liriano, you will almost certainly lose a pitcher. If Liriano comes up and falters or somebody else gets hurt. You can't go back, that pitcher you gave up is gone forever. You would have to go with a much less experienced arm from the farm. Right now Liriano is the Twins' number one option if one of the other guys goes down. If somebody gets hurt, Liriano is the guy they bring up. That's a very nice trump card to have in your back pocket. Mess with this rotation the way everyone is playing right now and it could very well be the rock they can't possibly crawl out from under. Finally, this team isn't in a slide, it's winning. They went from wildly inconsistent and trying to play .500 ball to 12 games over .500. They are a game and a half out of first and about three or four games away from the best record in all of baseball. This is not the time to panic, it's time to kick back and enjoy the ride. Liriano will get his chance just as soon as an opportunity presents itself.

ROCHESTER, N.Y. - Francisco Liriano insists he's not frustrated over being in the minor leagues, but the lefthander has one question for the Twins: Why?

"I don't know why they're keeping me down here,'' he said softly. "I don't know why.''

"Here" is Class AAA Rochester, where, with a fastball now topping out at 96 miles per hour and an improving slider, Liriano is putting up numbers that resemble his fantastic but ill-fated 2006 season with the Twins. That year, he went 12-3 with a 2.16 ERA and made the American League All-Star team before an elbow injury ended his season, led to Tommy John elbow ligament replacement surgery and forced him to miss the 2007 campaign.

Liriano began this season at Class A Fort Myers, briefly joined Rochester and then was promoted to the Twins on April 12. He flopped in three starts and was sent back to Rochester on April 28.

"I'm a much better pitcher now than I was [in April],'' Liriano said. "My velocity is coming back, I'm throwing more sliders ... everything is coming together.''

If Liriano isn't ready to publicly state he belongs in the majors, his agent is. Greg Genske has contacted the Major League Baseball Players Association, and the union has agreed to investigate whether the Twins are violating the collective bargaining agreement by keeping their former phenom in the minors to delay his eligibility for arbitration.

Twins General Manager Bill Smith has scoffed at any suggestion of impropriety, stating Liriano wouldn't have been promoted to the majors in April if they were concerned with his service time.

Friday, manager Ron Gardenhire said Liriano hasn't done anything to damage his relationship with the team.

"Not at all," Gardenhire said. "His agent has nothing to do with what we feel for Mr. Liriano. We'd like Liriano to continue pitching and doing well and doing what he's supposed to do for this organization. He's doing everything right. We can't control the other part of it."

Genske's claim will be hard to prove, considering the Twins are 22-7 since June 13 and have had improved starting pitching during that time. Liriano could have service time and/or compensation awarded to him if the Twins were found guilty of any wrongdoing.

Liriano is 8-2 for Rochester with a 3.34 ERA. He has 94 strikeouts and 28 walks in 105 innings. He hasn't lost since May 15, and in Thursday's victory against Norfolk, he gave up one run in eight innings as his scoreless streak ended at 262/3 innings.

"The velocity is getting better, and so is his command on both sides and down in the zone,'' Rochester pitching coach Stu Cliburn said. "There's not as many misfires.''

Liriano threw 103 pitches Thursday -- 62 fastballs, 27 sliders (20 for strikes) and 14 changeups. It was the slider that led to his elbow injury, so that statistic might have been the most encouraging from Thursday.

"He could have gone the distance,'' said Red Wings manager Stan Cliburn, Stu's twin brother. "I wanted to carry him over 100 pitches to show everybody that his durability is getting stronger and stronger.''

Liriano is diplomatic about his status, not wanting to publicly criticize the Twins.

"It's not frustrating,'' he said. "I've got to be patient and do my job. Just keep on doing what I'm doing now.''

Stan Cliburn told Twins officials back in April he didn't believe Liriano was ready for the majors, but the Twins promoted him anyway. Liriano bombed to the tune of an 0-3 record and 11.32 ERA in three starts.

After Thursday's gem, Cliburn stopped short of saying that Liriano was primed for another shot with the Twins, saying that was the decision of Smith and Gardenhire.

However, Cliburn does say that there's no comparison between the Liriano of April and the one now.

"Back then, he had to prove he was healthy by throwing all of his pitches,'' the manager said. "Now he's setting up his pitches with his fastball, and he's doing it with his out pitch -- his slider.

"Early in the year, he was giving away the changeup because his delivery was violent with the fastball. Now he's poetry in motion.''

Star Tribune staff writer La Velle E. Neal III contributed to this report.

 
Good business decision by the Twins. :confused:

The Twins are winning without him. Wait a little longer and they will have him the rest of the year for the stretch run, and will be able to keep him withhout arbitration inflating his salary.

 
Liriano starts Sunday -- in AAA

By JOE CHRISTENSEN, Star Tribune

Last uPdate: July 26, 2008 - 11:53 AM

CLEVELAND - Francisco Liriano's 9-0 run at Class AAA Rochester hasn't earned him a big-league promotion.

At least not yet.

Liriano will make another start for the Red Wings on Sunday, Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said before Friday's game at Progressive Park.

"He's not here," Gardenhire said. "I don't think he's going to opt out of it. I think that's his rotation spot, and that's where he'll be pitched. I can only control my guys here. I can't control those things."

The Twins remain hesitant to bump any of their current starters from the rotation, and they view Liriano's best role as a starter, not a reliever.

In his past five starts for Rochester, he is 5-0 with a 0.29 ERA, with 42 strikeouts and five walks.

 
Good business decision by the Twins. :yes: The Twins are winning without him. Wait a little longer and they will have him the rest of the year for the stretch run, and will be able to keep him withhout arbitration inflating his salary.
They lost the last two starts with Livan. If they miss out on the playoffs by 2 games it won't look so smart then.The way the Twins punished him for that grievence his agent submitted was beyond petty. I wouldn't blame Liriano at all if he decided to get "tendonitis" once he's on a major league roster.
 
Liriano pitched six innings of three hit ball and 0 runs! I'm thinking that Gardy will be removing him after this.

Nice comeback kid! The Twins could be moving into first place!

 
By JOE CHRISTENSEN, Star Tribune

Last update: August 3, 2008 - 7:42 PM

The fastballs and sliders didn’t have the same zip. The hitters didn’t look as overwhelmed.

But the Twins were still delighted Sunday, when Liriano gave up only three hits in six shutout innings in a 6-2 victory over Cleveland.

That victory, coupled with Chicago’s 14-3 loss at Kansas City, moved the Twins back into first place for the first time since May 13.

An announced crowd of 39,818 at the Metrodome watched Liriano get his first major league victory since July 23, 2006.

After going 0-3 with an 11.32 ERA in April and spending the next three months at Class AAA Rochester, Liriano (1-3) proved he can still be effective, if not quite as dominant as before his November 2006 elbow surgery.

“The look on his face is just totally different than how he was in April,” second baseman Nick Punto said. “It’s nice to see him with some confidence.”

Liriano, 24, built it back by going 10-2 at Rochester, including 5-0 with a 1.21 ERA in July.

He said he felt as jittery for this start as he did for his major league debut in 2005.

“After the first inning I was better,” he said. “I was really nervous. I don’t know why.”

In 2006, the Twins felt Liriano relied too heavily on his slider. This time, he threw 59 fastballs, 22 sliders and 15 changeups.

His fastballs ranged from 87-93 miles per hour. His sliders were mostly 84-85, and as manager Ron Gardenhire noted, that hard-breaking pitch used to hit 90-91.

“This first year [after surgery] is kind of hit and miss,” Gardenhire said. “Maybe next year you’re going to see everything step up even more. … Right now, I think it’s just velocity more than anything.”

An error by shortstop Brendan Harris left Liriano with a stiff test in the third inning. With the game scoreless, Cleveland had the bases loaded with two outs. But Liriano struck out Cleveland’s No. 3 hitter, Ben Francisco, with a 93 mph fastball.

Catcher Mike Redmond said it was outside but close enough where Francisco probably had to swing.

Liriano’s four other strikeouts came on sliders. He threw 56 of his 96 pitches for strikes.

He walked three and struck out five, falling behind with a 3-0 count four times, and throwing first-pitch strikes to only eight of the 24 batters he faced.

Cleveland’s lineup is much different without Victor Martinez and Travis Hafner, who are injured, and Casey Blake, who was traded to the Dodgers.

Liriano’s next start will come Saturday at Kansas City, and the Twins hope to see more progress.

“Triple-A baseball’s different than here,” Gardenhire said. “There’s a few veteran hitters, but a lot of guys swing, swing, swing.

“As we go along, we’re going to see some veteran teams that don’t swing. They’re going to take pitches, and those are going to be challenges for him to throw more pitches over the plate.”

Punto said it’s not fair to expect the 2006 Liriano, but the Twins will take the one they saw Sunday.

“Liriano at 80 percent,” Punto said, “is better than a lot of pitchers in the big leagues.”

 
Liriano's been dealing against AAA teams for a couple months now, can't wait to see what he does against a major league lineup...because that lineup he faced Sunday was certainly not a major league lineup.

I'm considering dealing him before my leagues deadline.

 

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