milfordshane
Footballguy
Thanks I just got so used to writing it that it must have slipped
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Hobbes
Footballguy
I don't see either team running a lot of 3-4 this year...but Ngata will occupy O-linemen and let Lewis and company make plays behind them...they have never needed a ton of pressure coming from upfront (maybe that will change with the new defense). St. Louis on the other hand is going to need to collapse the pocket with the DTs...they can't afford to blitz too often with the guys in their secondary
milfordshane
Footballguy
1.16 Miami -Tye Hill (CB,Clemson)
Kirby sent me a PM earlier today Chad Jackson, Ernie Sims, Tye Hill
First two are gone so to speed this up we'll go with no. 3
Kirby sent me a PM earlier today Chad Jackson, Ernie Sims, Tye Hill
First two are gone so to speed this up we'll go with no. 3
milfordshane
Footballguy
Per Andy
Post this please.
1.17 - Jay Cutler
And the Viking faithful go BONKERS!
I tried to trade up to Cleveland, offering the Vikings 1st and both 3rds, but got no reply. Obviously, I'm glad it didn't happen now. Now the Vikes cross their fingers and hope he's the QB for their future. This couldn't have worked out any better for the Vikings.
Post this please.
1.17 - Jay Cutler
And the Viking faithful go BONKERS!
I tried to trade up to Cleveland, offering the Vikings 1st and both 3rds, but got no reply. Obviously, I'm glad it didn't happen now. Now the Vikes cross their fingers and hope he's the QB for their future. This couldn't have worked out any better for the Vikings.
milfordshane
Footballguy
Dallas is on the clock, Any ideas for this pick?
Lawson, Jason Allen, OT?
Lawson, Jason Allen, OT?
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milfordshane
Footballguy
any word on Allen's "degenerative hip"?
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Lawson. Ridgelake has gone over this several times. They are not giving up on Davis and Parcells doesn't care for center fielders, WRs, or OLs in the first round.
eta: If Lawson falls to Dallas I will be extremely happy with him and Ware coming from the edges.
eta: If Lawson falls to Dallas I will be extremely happy with him and Ware coming from the edges.
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milfordshane
Footballguy
I tend to agree. S is very deep they probably get one in the second, no OL that should go this high, Lawson would be perfect for the 3-4Any other opinions?
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
Marcus McNeil?
milfordshane
Footballguy
1.18 Manny Lawson (DE/OLB NC State)
No real consensus, went with the impact OLB to round out their 3-4 personnel.
No real consensus, went with the impact OLB to round out their 3-4 personnel.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
At #19 the Chargers select Offensive Tackle Eric Winston from the University of Miami. I'm sure Mel Kiper is already yelling "that's a reach" from his hair salon, but the Bolts couldn't find a trading partner to move down. We also had plans to trade up with Detroit in an attempt to get Justice, but he was snatched by the Bills prior to our trade. That said we stood pat and drafted our best available O Lineman.
Left tackle Roman Oben is getting very long in the tooth and has still not recovered from a foot injury that sidelined him the second half of the 2005 season. He is said to be out until training camp at the least, a scary proposition considering Leander "The Turnstyle" Jordan was dreadful as his replacement last season. Right Tackle Shane Olivea is decent but certainly not outstanding. No additions have been made to the OLine in free agency.
Winston will start at Right Tackle with Olivea moving inside to guard if Oben is ready to go. If not, Winston will be at left tackle. Either way this pick gives the Bolts more options along the offensive line, something that was very troublesome the latter portion of 05. We like Winstons athletism over the other upper ecehlon tackles remaining, something lacking along the Bolts line these days.
Also considered a DB with this pick, but Hill was already selected leaving us to ponder the injured FSU star Antonio Cromartie. If we are going to roll the dice with this pick, we prefer to roll it on the O Line.
Safety was addressed in free agency. WR has been talked about quite a bit in mocks, it is a smokescreen. Eric Parker reupped for 5 more years last week. In addition Vincent Jackson (the 2005 2nd rd pick) is ready to go this season. McCardel is still playing well. Let alone Gates and LT will get their load.
Lastly owner/pres Dean Spanos has told Marty and AJ Smith they must win now. Spanos expects playoffs this comming season. Anything less and one(or both) guy(s) will be sent packing. This isn't the time to get cute and draft someone who may or may not develop, they need a player who can make impact at a need position NOW.
Left tackle Roman Oben is getting very long in the tooth and has still not recovered from a foot injury that sidelined him the second half of the 2005 season. He is said to be out until training camp at the least, a scary proposition considering Leander "The Turnstyle" Jordan was dreadful as his replacement last season. Right Tackle Shane Olivea is decent but certainly not outstanding. No additions have been made to the OLine in free agency.
Winston will start at Right Tackle with Olivea moving inside to guard if Oben is ready to go. If not, Winston will be at left tackle. Either way this pick gives the Bolts more options along the offensive line, something that was very troublesome the latter portion of 05. We like Winstons athletism over the other upper ecehlon tackles remaining, something lacking along the Bolts line these days.
Also considered a DB with this pick, but Hill was already selected leaving us to ponder the injured FSU star Antonio Cromartie. If we are going to roll the dice with this pick, we prefer to roll it on the O Line.
Safety was addressed in free agency. WR has been talked about quite a bit in mocks, it is a smokescreen. Eric Parker reupped for 5 more years last week. In addition Vincent Jackson (the 2005 2nd rd pick) is ready to go this season. McCardel is still playing well. Let alone Gates and LT will get their load.
Lastly owner/pres Dean Spanos has told Marty and AJ Smith they must win now. Spanos expects playoffs this comming season. Anything less and one(or both) guy(s) will be sent packing. This isn't the time to get cute and draft someone who may or may not develop, they need a player who can make impact at a need position NOW.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Anytime someone rips on Kiper I love it. Nice explanation, I do think you could trade down and get him later but it's not a horrible pick.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
What about KC and duckboy?
Duckboy
IBL Representative
Kansas City has several options here. I think their best bet is to hope that Tye Hill or Jimmy Williams fall here - other DB options are more questionable. Also would look at Winston here if he falls.
Biggest other need that is best addressed now would be WR, and with Chad Jackson off the board, the Chiefs will select:
1.20 Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State
With his speed and jumping ability, Holmes will give them the playmaker #1 WR they desperately need. Plus he can run-block (always a prime skill in KC) and fill in for Dante Hall if needed. Oh and they already have the name on the jerseys, just have to change the number
Biggest other need that is best addressed now would be WR, and with Chad Jackson off the board, the Chiefs will select:
1.20 Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State
With his speed and jumping ability, Holmes will give them the playmaker #1 WR they desperately need. Plus he can run-block (always a prime skill in KC) and fill in for Dante Hall if needed. Oh and they already have the name on the jerseys, just have to change the number
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I think the tackles are being underrated. As a Charger sympathizer I hope they consider the best OL available to help Rivers along. He has a great back, a great TE, a solid possession WR, and a top receiver or CB has to be in consideration, but I prefer the athletic young OT.
milfordshane
Footballguy
yeah sorry, I've been stariing at the computer screen too long.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
You're doing great. EG appreciates it.yeah sorry, I've been stariing at the computer screen too long.
NE Patriots select, Round 1, pick number 21: Bobby Carpenter, LB Ohio State
While nobody knows exactly what BB is thinking, we know that Carpenter is a Patriots-kinda-guy.
Versatile.
Intelligent.
Uber productive.
Connections with BB through his dad playing for the NYG.
It's tough to pass up Moss here as they need both a #2 WR and a playmaker in the return game.
Pats might also regret passing on DeAngelo Williams, especially if Dillon sputters earlier than anticipated.
Both WR and RB along with an OT and DB will be tops among the Pats' priorities from here on out.
Oh and yes. Expect a Kicker to be picked in the 3rd or 4th.
While nobody knows exactly what BB is thinking, we know that Carpenter is a Patriots-kinda-guy.
Versatile.
Intelligent.
Uber productive.
Connections with BB through his dad playing for the NYG.
It's tough to pass up Moss here as they need both a #2 WR and a playmaker in the return game.
Pats might also regret passing on DeAngelo Williams, especially if Dillon sputters earlier than anticipated.
Both WR and RB along with an OT and DB will be tops among the Pats' priorities from here on out.
Oh and yes. Expect a Kicker to be picked in the 3rd or 4th.
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milfordshane
Footballguy
Deangelo Williams is plummeting, is Denver where he goes?
One more thing about Carpenter....
From Pats.com: "Carpenter has tremendous speed for his size and is a great pass rusher off the edge, similar to the Patriots Mike Vrabel who Carpenter said he patterns his game after."
I like how the draft has gone thus far.
Made me tense even having to pick for the legendary BB.
Pats have more holes than people think. LB for sure. But with the loss of Ashworth, they have two below average players at both T spots. WR2 obviously everyone knows is weak after the losses of Andre Davis and David Givens. Whoever assumes Bethel Johnson is going to step up as a #2 is dead wrong.
I expect the Pats to be filling STARTING positions with their first day picks.... OLB, WR, OT, K, and perhaps even RB.
From Pats.com: "Carpenter has tremendous speed for his size and is a great pass rusher off the edge, similar to the Patriots Mike Vrabel who Carpenter said he patterns his game after."
I like how the draft has gone thus far.
Made me tense even having to pick for the legendary BB.
Pats have more holes than people think. LB for sure. But with the loss of Ashworth, they have two below average players at both T spots. WR2 obviously everyone knows is weak after the losses of Andre Davis and David Givens. Whoever assumes Bethel Johnson is going to step up as a #2 is dead wrong.
I expect the Pats to be filling STARTING positions with their first day picks.... OLB, WR, OT, K, and perhaps even RB.
milfordshane
Footballguy
If he doesn't go to Denver, then who does?
Please weigh in. I'd like to not have to make this the "picked by milfoshane" mock draft
Please weigh in. I'd like to not have to make this the "picked by milfoshane" mock draft
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
New England has spent a lot of time at the combine at individual workouts and with personal visits with about 7 2nd tier RBs. They'll find the one they like the best and take him with one of the two third rounders.
milfordshane
Footballguy
While filling out my own mock draft the other day I found it frustrating. The teams that have the biggest need at RB don't seem to be likely to take one in the 1st round. If that makes sense
Hobbes
Footballguy
I think the DB strength at this point is excellent....one of the best positions in the draft. If they passed on Joseph, Allen, Youboty, Jennings, Cromartie, Whitner, AND Marshall (all of which could be #1 picks)...well then lets just say they better plan on scoring 40 points a game next year...Kansas City has several options here. I think their best bet is to hope that Tye Hill or Jimmy Williams fall here - other DB options are more questionable. Also would look at Winston here if he falls.
Biggest other need that is best addressed now would be WR, and with Chad Jackson off the board, the Chiefs will select:
1.20 Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State
With his speed and jumping ability, Holmes will give them the playmaker #1 WR they desperately need. Plus he can run-block (always a prime skill in KC) and fill in for Dante Hall if needed. Oh and they already have the name on the jerseys, just have to change the number
Boston
Footballguy
I strongly disagree with yout T analysis. Ashworth was not going to start this year which is why they let him go. Matt Light is far from below average. Teams do not win three titles with a below average LT. The RT will be Kazcur who played well at LT for a rookie last year and has the chance to be a good one. Gorin is a solid backup as a T and has played in some very big games. Right now the Pats O line should be a strength with five young players in place and only Koppen not signed to a long term contract. With Gorin and Hochstein (Gorin also has a long deal I believe) they have two solid backups as well as a few other names that may or may not contribute. They could always use some depth but right now this unit is not a weakness.By the way I like the Carpenter pick even though it's very painful to pass on Williams.
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milfordshane
Footballguy
we're down to 3 min, does anyone else have an idea fro Denver?
milfordshane
Footballguy
Anybody else want to make Denver's pick?
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
They're desperate on the DL. It was their biggest problem last year. I just have a hard time taking the next DL (be it DT or DE) at this point with some of the other players available. I've seen Hali here quite a bit, but he appears to be falling. I wouldn't complain about Kiwi here. In fact, I think Gabe Watson or Joh McCargo could jump this high. I read Denver is very interested in Tapp, but they can probably get him in the 2nd.
Kirby
Footballguy
Pope... Hali...They're desperate on the DL. It was their biggest problem last year. I just have a hard time taking the next DL (be it DT or DE) at this point with some of the other players available. I've seen Hali here quite a bit, but he appears to be falling. I wouldn't complain about Kiwi here. In fact, I think Gabe Watson or Joh McCargo could jump this high. I read Denver is very interested in Tapp, but they can probably get him in the 2nd.
I don't know either..
I must admit my foolish oversight of Matt Light. I spent so much time looking at the Pat's depth chart that I forgot that they had Light (he's not on it since he was IR'd)
At least we know BB won't make these kinds of blunders! lol
Light is a well above average LT and I apologize to Pats fans everywhere for this oversight.
That being said, they still will probably look at OT in Day 2.
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milfordshane
Footballguy
you just made it, the pick is Deangelo Williams
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milfordshane
Footballguy
Don't worry about it I think I may have screwed up and mixed up you and jmon348 anyway. Can you continue to make Denver's pick in the 2nd though?
Boston
Footballguy
It's tough to speculate what the Pats will do at OL. They've had success bringing in guys that no one has ever heard of and than developing them into solid players. Neal, Hochstein, Ashworth, Gorin and Andruzzi were all picked up off the scrap heap. Mankins and Kazcur (and Koppen as well) were guys not many had heard of pre-draft and even Light was seen as a reach by some when they took him in the second round. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Pats use a pick on a lineman but I also wouldn't be surprised if they passed either feeling some obscure guy they have can already do the job (or signing a veteran free agent). If they do draft an O lineman it wouldn't surprise me if it was someone who could play center. Koppen is coming off of a tough injury and both he and Hochstein are scheduled to be free agents after 06. They may want some insurance there. Like everything else with the Pats it's impossible to figure out what they'll do and nothing would surprise me.I must admit my foolish oversight of Matt Light. I spent so much time looking at the Pat's depth chart that I forgot that they had Light (he's not on it since he was IR'd)
At least we know BB won't make these kinds of blunders! lol
Light is a well above average LT and I apologize to Pats fans everywhere for this oversight.
That being said, they still will probably look at OT in Day 2.
Hobbes
Footballguy
1.23 - Tampa Bay - Antonio Cromartie CB, Florida State
In State kid who had an outstanding pro-day running his 40s in the 4.4s with great size and strenght and a 42" vertical leap. Would have been a sure thing top 10 pick were it not for his season ending injury.
First, I believe that if the rest of the first round fell this way that Kansas City would pass on Santonio Holmes and if he made it past New England then he would be the pick here.
The addition of Fonoti and Tucker provides a lot more youth to the line and makes this less of a priority. I think they will still address the O-line but not in the first round (McNeill has a bad back anyway). The other big possibility here would be Greenway, who I can not believe would make it to this point anyway. He is a bit too slow to play in the Tampa defense (4.7+ 40) and there are still quite a few OLBs on the board that would fit better.
Other options: McNeill (OT), Greenway (OLB), Howard (OLB), Moss (WR), Watson (DT), Joseph (CB), Jennings (CB)
Edited to add: Ignore this if they land Woodson
In State kid who had an outstanding pro-day running his 40s in the 4.4s with great size and strenght and a 42" vertical leap. Would have been a sure thing top 10 pick were it not for his season ending injury.
First, I believe that if the rest of the first round fell this way that Kansas City would pass on Santonio Holmes and if he made it past New England then he would be the pick here.
The addition of Fonoti and Tucker provides a lot more youth to the line and makes this less of a priority. I think they will still address the O-line but not in the first round (McNeill has a bad back anyway). The other big possibility here would be Greenway, who I can not believe would make it to this point anyway. He is a bit too slow to play in the Tampa defense (4.7+ 40) and there are still quite a few OLBs on the board that would fit better.
Other options: McNeill (OT), Greenway (OLB), Howard (OLB), Moss (WR), Watson (DT), Joseph (CB), Jennings (CB)
Edited to add: Ignore this if they land Woodson
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Chad Jackson and DeAngelo Williams? No complaints from me. Be careful out there in the yard, Jackal.
