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London Game: Den v SF (1 Viewer)

Leeroy Jenkins

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Are you benching players based on travel, weather, and/or time difference (1pm EST game, means it's what time there??) in London?

Should players with injury issues (ex. Royal's groin) be benched?

What's the historic performances like for teams and positions who've had to play internationally the week of the game and the weeks that follow?

 
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thanks to the bye weeks Im gonna have to start Royal or Crabtree, maybe both. Keep an eye on the weather.

 
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Well the 49ers got to London on Monday, while the Broncos aren't getting in until Saturday morning. Will be interesting to see if there's a noticeable difference.

 
Well the 49ers got to London on Monday, while the Broncos aren't getting in until Saturday morning. Will be interesting to see if there's a noticeable difference.
Broncos fly out Thursday night Denver time...http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16433475
There's an 8 hour time difference, so they're leaving Friday morning Denver time, then it's roughly a 10 hour flight I assume, so they'll be getting in Friday night, correct?
 
Well the 49ers got to London on Monday, while the Broncos aren't getting in until Saturday morning. Will be interesting to see if there's a noticeable difference.
Broncos fly out Thursday night Denver time...http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16433475
There's an 8 hour time difference, so they're leaving Friday morning Denver time, then it's roughly a 10 hour flight I assume, so they'll be getting in Friday night, correct?
7 hour time zone difference plus a 9 hr flight = 16 hours time difference. So if they leave on Thursday night at say 8pm MT, they will arrive at 12pm (noon) GMT Friday. Thats just the flight. Add in the travel to and from the airport plus going through security and it could be close to 20 hours time difference.
 
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Well the 49ers got to London on Monday, while the Broncos aren't getting in until Saturday morning. Will be interesting to see if there's a noticeable difference.
Broncos fly out Thursday night Denver time...http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16433475
There's an 8 hour time difference, so they're leaving Friday morning Denver time, then it's roughly a 10 hour flight I assume, so they'll be getting in Friday night, correct?
7 hour time zone difference plus a 9 hr flight = 16 hours time difference. So if they leave on Thursday night at say 8pm MT, they will arrive at 12pm (noon) GMT Friday.
Thanks. Seems like they're not too worried about the whole jet lag thing.
 
Why do they completely ruin on game per year doing this? It's ridiculous. In case the NFL hasn't figured it out, they like the OTHER football over there. Every year the field is a travesty, both teams play like garbage, and it only damages the NFL reputation and product in front of a foreign audience. I #######g hate the London game.

 
Why do they completely ruin on game per year doing this? It's ridiculous. In case the NFL hasn't figured it out, they like the OTHER football over there. Every year the field is a travesty, both teams play like garbage, and it only damages the NFL reputation and product in front of a foreign audience. I #######g hate the London game.
Plus wouldn't a game in Mexico be better? Sure its dangerous and such but it seemed to be way more popular and it doesn't take a bye week to get the team to recover.
 
Anyone starting any of the kickers? Are they playing on the same crappy field they always play on?
It's a crappy field for football since that's not what is what built for but yes it's at Wembley as usual.Hey London FBG - You can win tickets!!!! :thumbdown:

Um, I love the trivia question you have to answer (no schtick, this is the actual question wording):

Which American university football team were

founded by Gatorade in 1965?

a) Florida Gators

b) Florida Crocs

c) Florida Snakes
:thumbup:

-QG

 
Anyone starting any of the kickers? Are they playing on the same crappy field they always play on?
It's a crappy field for football since that's not what is what built for but yes it's at Wembley as usual.Hey London FBG - You can win tickets!!!! :excited:

Um, I love the trivia question you have to answer (no schtick, this is the actual question wording):

Which American university football team were

founded by Gatorade in 1965?

a) Florida Gators

b) Florida Crocs

c) Florida Snakes
:lmao:

-QG
:lmao:
 
Current London forecast is sunny Sunday but heavy rains on Saturday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/8

Just to spark a little discussion...

IIRC, that field can get torn up real quick and footing could be an issue. Makes me a little nervous about the Denver deep passing game (i.e. Lloyd). Plus jet lag messing with timing?

Gore looks like a nice play, tho.

 
The Wembley turf was notoriously bad, probably the worst amongst all the major stadiums in England & due to the frequent use by concerts as well as sporting events has been re-layed 11 times in 3 years. However over the summer they put in a new type of turf that seems to be holding up a lot better, according to Wikipedia it's the same type of turf used at Heinz Field, Lambeau, Lincoln Financial & interestingly enough Mile High - so I guess it shouldn't be too much of an issue for the Broncos. The pitch has already been used a couple of times in quick succesion this month & I haven't heard anything negative yet.

I just hope it stays dry, I was there in 07 for the wet Giants v Dolphins game & the weather basically made it impossible to establish a passing game (i don't think they had 200 net passing yards between the two of them) but the last few games have been fine.

 
The Wembley turf was notoriously bad, probably the worst amongst all the major stadiums in England & due to the frequent use by concerts as well as sporting events has been re-layed 11 times in 3 years. However over the summer they put in a new type of turf that seems to be holding up a lot better, according to Wikipedia it's the same type of turf used at Heinz Field, Lambeau, Lincoln Financial & interestingly enough Mile High - so I guess it shouldn't be too much of an issue for the Broncos. The pitch has already been used a couple of times in quick succesion this month & I haven't heard anything negative yet.

I just hope it stays dry, I was there in 07 for the wet Giants v Dolphins game & the weather basically made it impossible to establish a passing game (i don't think they had 200 net passing yards between the two of them) but the last few games have been fine.
Great local info...
 
QuizGuy66 said:
Darryl Talley said:
Anyone starting any of the kickers? Are they playing on the same crappy field they always play on?
It's a crappy field for football since that's not what is what built for but yes it's at Wembley as usual.Hey London FBG - You can win tickets!!!! :goodposting:

Um, I love the trivia question you have to answer (no schtick, this is the actual question wording):

Which American university football team were

founded by Gatorade in 1965?

a) Florida Gators

b) Florida Crocs

c) Florida Snakes
:lmao:

-QG
Used to avoid gambling laws.
 
I've had pretty good luck starting players in the London games (with the exception of the Giants / Dolphins fiasco).

I'm just wondering what London thinks they did wrong getting this dreadful game.

 
QuizGuy66 said:
Darryl Talley said:
Anyone starting any of the kickers? Are they playing on the same crappy field they always play on?
It's a crappy field for football since that's not what is what built for but yes it's at Wembley as usual.Hey London FBG - You can win tickets!!!! :hophead:

Um, I love the trivia question you have to answer (no schtick, this is the actual question wording):

Which American university football team were

founded by Gatorade in 1965?

a) Florida Gators

b) Florida Crocs

c) Florida Snakes
:lmao:

-QG
Used to avoid gambling laws.
Understood, but did you read the wording of the question? Frankly I'm shocked they didn't opt to name it the University of Gatorade.-QG

 
Darryl Talley said:
Anyone starting any of the kickers? Are they playing on the same crappy field they always play on?
I wouldn't start any kickers. The ball spins in reverse on that side of the world.
 
Clifford said:
Why do they completely ruin on game per year doing this? It's ridiculous. In case the NFL hasn't figured it out, they like the OTHER football over there. Every year the field is a travesty, both teams play like garbage, and it only damages the NFL reputation and product in front of a foreign audience.
This is the Niners vs. the Broncos. The location doesn't matter; the game is pre-ruined and both teams will play like garbage.
 
I'm starting Jabar Gaffney without confidence. Unfortunately I have White, Nicks, and Knox on bye. I don't really like any of the pass catchers for either team this week. Gore is a must start, but I'm not sure he'll turn in a big week either.

 
QuizGuy66 said:
Darryl Talley said:
Anyone starting any of the kickers? Are they playing on the same crappy field they always play on?
It's a crappy field for football since that's not what is what built for but yes it's at Wembley as usual.Hey London FBG - You can win tickets!!!! :shrug:

Um, I love the trivia question you have to answer (no schtick, this is the actual question wording):

Which American university football team were

founded by Gatorade in 1965?

a) Florida Gators

b) Florida Crocs

c) Florida Snakes
;)

-QG
Used to avoid gambling laws.
Understood, but did you read the wording of the question? Frankly I'm shocked they didn't opt to name it the University of Gatorade.-QG
Apologies! Bit quick off the mark there.Oh and to those asking about time difference it should be 4 hours from ET I think. Would usually be 5 but our clocks change at 1am on the 31st.

 
The game may not matter to most people in the US, but this a HUGE international stage. I'd expect players to gear up for this like Monday Night Football in its heyday. Not sure if the 49ers will be able to move the ball, but I see no reason why the Denver offense won't put up 3+ TDs.

I'm starting Orton with confidence.

 
QuizGuy66 said:
Darryl Talley said:
Anyone starting any of the kickers? Are they playing on the same crappy field they always play on?
It's a crappy field for football since that's not what is what built for but yes it's at Wembley as usual.Hey London FBG - You can win tickets!!!! :thumbdown:

Um, I love the trivia question you have to answer (no schtick, this is the actual question wording):

Which American university football team were

founded by Gatorade in 1965?

a) Florida Gators

b) Florida Crocs

c) Florida Snakes
:headbang:

-QG
Used to avoid gambling laws.
Understood, but did you read the wording of the question? Frankly I'm shocked they didn't opt to name it the University of Gatorade.-QG
the NCAA would not like that name because it is unfair to the Gatorade indian tribe of southern Florida.
 
The game may not matter to most people in the US, but this a HUGE international stage. I'd expect players to gear up for this like Monday Night Football in its heyday. Not sure if the 49ers will be able to move the ball, but I see no reason why the Denver offense won't put up 3+ TDs.I'm starting Orton with confidence.
I'm of the exact opposite opinion. I think the players probably hate this game. Combine that with a bad field, maybe bad weather, and two teams that played horribly last week.I'm confidently leaving Lloyd, Moreno, and Prater on my bench.
 
Well the 49ers got to London on Monday, while the Broncos aren't getting in until Saturday morning. Will be interesting to see if there's a noticeable difference.
Broncos fly out Thursday night Denver time...http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16433475
There's an 8 hour time difference, so they're leaving Friday morning Denver time, then it's roughly a 10 hour flight I assume, so they'll be getting in Friday night, correct?
7 hour time zone difference plus a 9 hr flight = 16 hours time difference. So if they leave on Thursday night at say 8pm MT, they will arrive at 12pm (noon) GMT Friday.
Thanks. Seems like they're not too worried about the whole jet lag thing.
Jet leg isn't as a big a factor when it is the first leg of your trip and you are flying West to East.
 
I have Moreno in this game, but I have to and I've had him teed up to start here for a while.

But I'm optimistic.

Denver is playing a 1-6 ballclub. They are on a 3 game losing streak themselves.

This game should be competitive. We know Denver can score and we know they can be scored upon. If they get inside the 10 yard line there is a very, very good chance Moreno will get chances to score and unlike Maroney he has shown he's very good at getting in the end zone.

Is there any reason to think that Gore, Davis and Crabtree will be limited where McFadden/Bush and Miller were not? The only hitch here to me is Troy Smith because who knows what that will be like.

 
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I thought this might be of interest:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/...p;article=36589

Matchups: Bank on Beanie

Denver vs. San Francisco

Wembley Stadium was known for a sloggy field and poor weather when the NFL kicked off its first London game in 2007. (The Giants won 13-10). It's been a different story since, with Saints-Chargers in 2008 producing a whopping 69 points and the Pats dropping 35 on the Bucs last year. It doesn't necessarily mean this game will be high scoring, but owners shouldn't hesitate to play elite starters on either side. ... Kyle Orton, the No. 3 fantasy passer, squares off with the same leaky Niners pass defense referenced in the above matchup breakdown. Orton won't have trouble continuing his red-hot start. ... Eddie Royal (groin) is questionable again, and hands-off in fantasy until he resumes producing. He attempted to play through the groin injury in Week 7, but caught just two passes for 26 yards while seeing his second lowest snap total of the season.

Brandon Lloyd and Jabar Gaffney should be played with confidence. According to Pro Football Focus, the Broncos didn't try a single pass in Raiders RCB Nnamdi Asomugha's direction last week, explaining Lloyd's three-target, 45-yard game. (Lloyd was on Asomugha's side.) Orton will be far more willing to test 49ers RCB Shawntae Spencer. ... Gaffney, meanwhile, is averaging six catches per game. Though not a big-play threat, he's always a solid PPR start. ... Knowshon Moreno's hamstring setback is troubling. It's the same hammy Moreno partially tore in August, costing him all of the preseason. Moreno also managed just 3.8 YPC against Oakland in Week 7. The Raiders give up an AFC-most 5.0 YPC, so it's logical to think that a hobbled Moreno will only do worse against a 49ers team allowing 3.6 yards per carry and three rushing TDs in seven games.

The outlook is bleaker for San Francisco's passing game with Troy Smith under center. While he may be a superior option to David Carr, Smith has spent seven weeks in an offense that's not only experienced in-season coordinator change, but also asked of Smith to perform strictly scout-team duty. He's spent more time learning the other team's offense than the 49ers'. If you were wary of Michael Crabtree's 31-yard crash back to earth in Week 7, Smith's insertion is confirmation to sit him. ... Vernon Davis should still be OK. Smith is much better throwing inside the numbers (where Davis dominates) than outside, and the Broncos are vulnerable to tight ends. A TE has been the opponent's receiving yards leader against Denver in three straight weeks.

A run-dominated game plan is still likely from the 49ers. The Raiders gashed the Broncos for 328 rushing yards, a 6.3 YPC average, and five running touchdowns last week. But it's not the only time Denver has been gutted -- they'd given up six rushing scores in their two previous games. In fact, no NFL team has surrendered more touchdowns on the ground than the Broncos, who rank 30th against the run. The over-unders on Frank Gore: Touches - 26, Total Yards - 140, TDs - 2.

(pretty good matchups for other games in that article, too)

Conclusion: Gore and VD should do well. Crabtree, not so much...

 
Wembley does not have a roof.
Apologies, my mistake, from Wiki."The all-seater stadium is based around a bowl design with a capacity of 90,000, protected from the elements by a sliding roof that does not completely enclose it.Many believed that the new 'roof' would incorporate a fully retractable design allowing maximum protection from the elements e.g.: snow, rain, weather, wind, storms and very bright sunlight. Visitors to Wembley were disappointed with the lack of a movable 'roof' feature especially considering the high construction cost of such a stadium. The inclusion of a large semi-circular arch did little to convince visitors expecting a 'state of the art' weather protection system. In practice, the roof is more of an umbrella against the rain for spectators rather than a fully retractable roof which can cover the entire pitch. Contractors of the new Wembley were quick to point out that the roof wasn't a 'roof' and should be more accurately described as a 'covering'"
 
Its gonna be soggy, 50-60% chance of rain starting at 10am and lasting until well after the game is over. Anyone benching the passing game?

 
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Something for Vernon Davis owners to consider:

http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/10/30/178...uld-start-at-te

49ers-Broncos: Nate Byham Could Start At TE

Either way, I was looking over the transcript from coach Singletary's press conference yesterday (full transcript after the jump), and I came across a bit about Vernon Davis and his injury. He still has yet to practice with the team and, naturally, is on the injury report.

On TE Vernon Davis' status for practice:

"I think that's going to be one of the things depending on how the trainers feel before we go out and practice. It's still a day-to-day thing and I think he'll be fine. As far as practicing today, we'll be smart about it."

On whether Davis has an ankle injury:

"It's an ankle."

On whether it is different than his knee:

"Yes."

On whether it happened in Carolina:

"Yes."

Who knows whether or not Davis will play, but it's probably a good idea to keep him there even if he's going to play for sure. Keeping the other team guessing as to your lineup has always been a part of the game and always will be unless they have the league in there mandating injuries and placement on the injury report. It helps, too, when you have a dynamic backup who could be a starter on another team, like one Delanie Walker.

When asked whether or not Delanie Walker would make the start, Singletary had this to say ...

On whether TE Delanie Walker would start for Davis:

"It depends, it could be Delanie. It could be [TE Nate] Byham because they do different things. So, it will depend."

Obviously the word "start," here is used loosely. If Delanie Walker is healthy, which might not be the case entirely, he will see plenty of action if Davis is out. But if the 49ers were to hit the ground running, I'd wager Byham lines up in Davis's spot more often than not. Still, you have to wonder how healthy Delanie really is. Could be an issue if both of them are hurt. Even when they're not racking up stats, both Davis and Walker pose a huge threat to opposing defenses and will always command the respect of a defense. Full transcript after the jump.

(click link to read the entire transcript)

 
One or two ignorant posts in this thread. To the guy who suggested football wasn't popular in Britain, over 38,000 people attended a pre-game rally in London yesterday and every game to date has sold out quickly - it causes tremendous excitement amongst fans over here. It's also worth pointing out that the field, rather than the weather, has been the major negative issue, though that didn't stop the Saints/Chargers game yielding 69 points. The field has been replaced, as indicated earlier in the thread, with Desso Grass Master (already in use at 4 NFL stadia), so it will be interesting to see how that holds up today as rain is forecast. Saying they shouldn't play in London simply because it rains a lot is fine as long as you're prepared to say they shouldn't play in Pittsburgh/Chicago/Green Bay/New York etc etc because of inclement weather - it's the field that needs to be sorted out, not the weather.

For those wanting to check on the weather, as I have said in previous years, the place to check for the forecast is http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/se/...st_weather.html , and for the current rainfall situation check out the rainfall radar at http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/index.html

 
One or two ignorant posts in this thread. To the guy who suggested football wasn't popular in Britain, over 38,000 people attended a pre-game rally in London yesterday and every game to date has sold out quickly - it causes tremendous excitement amongst fans over here. It's also worth pointing out that the field, rather than the weather, has been the major negative issue, though that didn't stop the Saints/Chargers game yielding 69 points. The field has been replaced, as indicated earlier in the thread, with Desso Grass Master (already in use at 4 NFL stadia), so it will be interesting to see how that holds up today as rain is forecast. Saying they shouldn't play in London simply because it rains a lot is fine as long as you're prepared to say they shouldn't play in Pittsburgh/Chicago/Green Bay/New York etc etc because of inclement weather - it's the field that needs to be sorted out, not the weather.

For those wanting to check on the weather, as I have said in previous years, the place to check for the forecast is http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/se/...st_weather.html , and for the current rainfall situation check out the rainfall radar at http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/index.html
That's all well and good, but should I start Jabbar Gaffney??? :topcat:
 

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