Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
Wow! Insane scene right now.
EDIT: My "Live"stream was way behind.
EDIT: My "Live"stream was way behind.
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Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (11 Viewers)
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timschochet
Footballguy
Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:
1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.
2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.
3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.
4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.
Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?
1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.
2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.
3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.
4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.
Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I don't think the black man appreciates you speaking on the black man, Tim.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
That is crazy--never seen the sound gun used on people before. And the cops are just unloading on peaceful citizens with rubber bullets and tear gas like mad. unbelievable. But that isnt live, it is from a little earlier.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Not speaking on anyone's behalf, just trying to understand why people do the things they do and offering my own opinion. Read the last sentence of my sig, please.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
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Quez
Footballguy
This is what they did in Turkey after they got caught planning to attack their own country and blame it on Syria. It would be pretty hard to do anything like this until they start requiring kill switches in all of our phones.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
got_nugs
Footballguy
Dan Gladden's Mustache
Footballguy
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
From LATimes
Wesley Lowery of the Washington Post and Ryan J. Reilly of the Huffington Post were taken into custody in a McDonald's restaurant near a demonstration.
The action appeared to catch Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson by surprise.
"Oh, God," he told the Los Angeles Times when he learned what had happened. Then Jackson called the St. Louis County Police Department, which was heading the command Wednesday night.
“I told them to release them,” Jackson told The Times.
Lowery and Reilly were set free shortly thereafter. The chief said his staff had been unaware of the arrests until notified by a reporter.
link
Sounds like cops might be making decisions on their own.
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Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Cops are exactly who should be making all of the decisions.
From LATimes
Wesley Lowery of the Washington Post and Ryan J. Reilly of the Huffington Post were taken into custody in a McDonald's restaurant near a demonstration.
The action appeared to catch Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson by surprise.
"Oh, God," he told the Los Angeles Times when he learned what had happened. Then Jackson called the St. Louis County Police Department, which was heading the command Wednesday night.
“I told them to release them,” Jackson told The Times.
Lowery and Reilly were set free shortly thereafter. The chief said his staff had been unaware of the arrests until notified by a reporter.
link
Sounds like cops might be making decisions on their own.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
I have cop friends who said they are embarrassed and appalled as police officers by this dept`s actions
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timschochet
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Yeah, was alluding to the similarities between other governments.
There are two ways I'd assume they could do. Jam the cell towers or DDOS social media sites. Obviously the latter would be a mistake as it impacts people nationwide who are more worried about ice challenges or some bull####.
shader
Footballguy
They slammed the reporter into a fountain drink station.
From LATimes
Wesley Lowery of the Washington Post and Ryan J. Reilly of the Huffington Post were taken into custody in a McDonald's restaurant near a demonstration.
The action appeared to catch Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson by surprise.
"Oh, God," he told the Los Angeles Times when he learned what had happened. Then Jackson called the St. Louis County Police Department, which was heading the command Wednesday night.
I told them to release them, Jackson told The Times.
Lowery and Reilly were set free shortly thereafter. The chief said his staff had been unaware of the arrests until notified by a reporter.
link
Sounds like cops might be making decisions on their own.
squistion
Footballguy
Well, he should have known he was only allowed one refill.They slammed the reporter into a fountain drink station.
From LATimes
Wesley Lowery of the Washington Post and Ryan J. Reilly of the Huffington Post were taken into custody in a McDonald's restaurant near a demonstration.
The action appeared to catch Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson by surprise.
"Oh, God," he told the Los Angeles Times when he learned what had happened. Then Jackson called the St. Louis County Police Department, which was heading the command Wednesday night.
I told them to release them, Jackson told The Times.
Lowery and Reilly were set free shortly thereafter. The chief said his staff had been unaware of the arrests until notified by a reporter.
link
Sounds like cops might be making decisions on their own.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Cubed or crushed?They slammed the reporter into a fountain drink station.
From LATimes
Wesley Lowery of the Washington Post and Ryan J. Reilly of the Huffington Post were taken into custody in a McDonald's restaurant near a demonstration.
The action appeared to catch Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson by surprise.
"Oh, God," he told the Los Angeles Times when he learned what had happened. Then Jackson called the St. Louis County Police Department, which was heading the command Wednesday night.
I told them to release them, Jackson told The Times.
Lowery and Reilly were set free shortly thereafter. The chief said his staff had been unaware of the arrests until notified by a reporter.
link
Sounds like cops might be making decisions on their own.
Onions
Footballguy
Hope this is not true:
@BenDoernberg: From the Justice for Mike Brown FB page: I heard that 2morrow its going down https://t.co/M3nuMgdMaw
"Justice for Mike Brown
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I just got.word that this is the last day of peaceful protests. Everybody is getting tired of these bull#### ### police officers. I heard that 2morrow its going down that its going to get Violent and worse people bringing they guns out and fighting back at the police since they wanna shoot tear gas at innocent protesters I pray this is not true I will keep everybody updated
#JusticeForMike
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@BenDoernberg: From the Justice for Mike Brown FB page: I heard that 2morrow its going down https://t.co/M3nuMgdMaw
"Justice for Mike Brown
41 minutes ago · Edited ·
I just got.word that this is the last day of peaceful protests. Everybody is getting tired of these bull#### ### police officers. I heard that 2morrow its going down that its going to get Violent and worse people bringing they guns out and fighting back at the police since they wanna shoot tear gas at innocent protesters I pray this is not true I will keep everybody updated
#JusticeForMike
132 Likes · 67 Comments"
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timschochet
Footballguy
If there is more violence and the police are incapable of controlling things (or if the police are themselves escalating the violence as has been charged by some), the governor needs to get involved, call out the National Guard, and enforce martial law. Once order has been restored, then there can be investigations and prosecutions of wrongdoers, be they police or private citizens. But no matter what, order has to come first.
shader
Footballguy
This is a weird situation all the way around. Beefed up cops against minorities with a grudge. The citizens aren't doing themselves any favors by looting and robbing and the cops aren't helping themselves by slamming national media into soda fountains.
Watching conservatives and conspiracy theorists is the funniest part of this. They in general don't want to be on the side of the black community OR the "police state", so they rant and rave, blame Obama and struggle to make sense.
The Gov canceled his appearance at the fair to show up tomorrow, so we're probably good.
Hey, maybe the President could weigh in...
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
You never have any facts though, that's kind of the problem with just about all your posts.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
"The citizens" arent "looting and robbing". A few opportunistic criminals are doing that. The citizens are peacefully protesting in the streets and getting gassed, and shot with wooden and rubber bullets.
The Ferguson and St Louis police department are really screwing up very badly and escalating this far beyond anything that needed to happen.
ffldrew
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Obama can't ever do anything right when it comes to racial issues. When he stays out of it, he's criticized by the black community and liberals, and the implication is that he is cowardly. When he offers his opinion, conservatives rush to attack him (and among conservatives I know personally, when they talk about Obama the thing that always seems to outrage them most are his comments regarding racial issues such as Trayvon Martin- more than Obamacare even. It burns them up.)
timschochet
Footballguy
Not a good analogy. I have no love for the Cliven Bundy idiots, but what exactly have they done? They carry guns and talk tough, but they haven't rioted or looted anything.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
dude...he`s on vaca man....enjoying some drinks and vinyard beach sand...aint nobody got time fo that !!!
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Are you joking? What have the Bundy idiots done? Far worse than anyone in Ferguson has--they repeatedly trained their assault weapons on law enforcement officers in face to face standoffs with the express threat that they were willing to use them.
Let me see if I understand how your mind works: In Ferguson, some dumb opportunistic criminals did some property crimes and that is worse than literally pointing loaded assault weapons at law enforcement officers in broad daylight. Fascinating.
If the protestors in Ferguson did what the Bundy idiots did then there would dozens and dozens of dead black Americans.
You call me a one trick pony...I submit that you, too, have one trick: dumb.
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timschochet
Footballguy
I didn't say that. But like Zimmerman-Martin, this is a murky situation. Right now we really don't know anything. President Obama should call for calm, threaten the use of troops to restore order if necessary, and promise federal investigations into how this started and what really happened. And that's all.
shader
Footballguy
It only takes a few rotten apples on both sides. Cops arresting journalists spreads like wildfire and infuriates the protesters. Similarly when one protester does something wrong, it sparks a huge reaction by the police force.
ffldrew
Footballguy
I was showing the difference in how they are portrayed
The Bundy Patriots have looted BLM land and walked around with some pretty heavy weapons - if they were black I'm sure they would be portrayed as the second coming of the Black Panthers and they would have been gassed and shot
So far the Ferguson Thugs have no guns - and yet it is a war zone
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timschochet
Footballguy
I don't think the Bundy idiots would ever have fired their weapons. What's dumb is that somehow you took from comments the idea that I'm in any way sympathetic to them, or think that the Ferguson protestors are worse somehow. It's just a poor analogy.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Unless Ferguson was suddenly flooded with illegal immigrants those people are still citizens.
timschochet
Footballguy
Right now? Everything. I have no idea what's happening right now. Are the police responding to violence, or are they engaging in it themselves? Who knows? We'll know more soon I suppose, but I'm betting it will still be murky.
ffldrew
Footballguy
So care to speculate if the Ferguson protesters showed up with guns - without the intent to fire them - what would happen?
MAC_32
Footballguy
they are feral and violent. They murder each other. They murder their unborn babies. They hate white people. They hate police officers and murder some of them, even black ones. They destroy neighbors and entire cities with their garbage and drugs. They live their lives off hard earned tax dollars of Americans. Yet somehow they are victims. What insanity is that?Have only seen it a couple of places, so hesitate to confirm this but it seems legit. If so it really paints a picture of the problems that led to all this. This isn't about Michael Brown. He was just the straw that broke the camels back.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
I didnt say or imply that you were sympathetic to the Bundy idiots, although you clearly think that the people in Ferguson are worse than the "Bundy idiots" because you said so. You are so dumb you dont even understand the point of the post you commented on or my point in noting how stupid your post was. It is all going right over your head, Tim. You should stop posting now.
This article is about you, Tim.
timschochet
Footballguy
Sure. They'd likely be shot. The authorities treat blacks differently, and worse. I've stated that several times in this forum, and in this thread.So care to speculate if the Ferguson protesters showed up with guns - without the intent to fire them - what would happen?
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