Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (1 Viewer)

[Ditka Butkus]

Due process. Justice in this country takes time. I keep seeing reports demanding the name of the officers involved in the shooting. Since when does the media dictate our judicial timeline? I have no doubt that this will be handled in due time. Some of these people are just stupid enough to harm family members of the officers involved.

Also, could the police want to control media coverage to avoid sensationalizing the guys throwing molotov cocktails, etc? Every time there is a mass shooting, posters here complain that media coverage sensationalizing the incident and fueling the desire of the next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory"

It's not a media question or even a judicial question. There are state laws called Sunshine Laws governing disclosure of government records. I'm not an expert in the topic and certainly not on MIssouri's law so I don't know if the police can legitimately claim an exception to the general rule that mandates release. But that's the source of the tension, not a "judicial timeline." And frankly, even if they can claim an exception they're doing themselves no favors by shielding the info. They don't have dashboard cameras, they're evicting the press- clearly they have a problem with transparency. They're already inciting the people with their actions, so that ship has sailed.

When there is an ongoing investigation...The sunshine law in regards to public records does not apply until said investigation is complete....my understanding....

 

[DocHolliday]

Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?

I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions.

I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.

 

[Henry Ford]

There's also the legal aspect of it. I mean, can the cops legally force no one to record what is going on on their cell phones and whatnot? I seriously doubt it.

Of course not. This has been a semi-hot issue in recent years. No links, but there have been several cases in which people have been arrested for filming police as they went about their jobs in public. As far as I know, every single "film-er" has won.

Edit: The idea that it can somehow be illegal to film the police while performing their official duties in a public place is ridiculous on its face.

You're ridiculous on your face.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

I'm assuming that most people have seen the KARG footage from last night. That's the footage taken by a reporter who was with the protestors when they had tear gas and rubber bullets fired on them by the St. Louis County Police. It's the footage that looks like it was filmed by the same person who did the Paris Hilton porn. If you haven't seen the footage, here's the video of when the action really heated up. It's gripping:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyViGx1Lpws

I understand that the police need to bring an end to the looting and return order to Ferguson. I also understand that the police told residents that they can peacefully protest during the day, but must be off the streets by sundown. With that said, the protestors appeared to be completely peaceful when they were fired upon. Between what appeared to be an aggressive response last night by the St. Louis County Police and reports of media members being arrested by the Ferguson Police Department, it appears the police in that area may be overly aggressive. That supports the the argument that the officer may have been overly aggressive in the Michael Brown incident that set this whole thing off.

I understand the policing a potential riot is a life threatening job, and policemen have wives and children to go home to. When the police fired last night, though, there did not appear to be an immediate clear and present danger to them or the community in general.

 

[RUSF18]

Due process. Justice in this country takes time. I keep seeing reports demanding the name of the officers involved in the shooting. Since when does the media dictate our judicial timeline? I have no doubt that this will be handled in due time. Some of these people are just stupid enough to harm family members of the officers involved.

Also, could the police want to control media coverage to avoid sensationalizing the guys throwing molotov cocktails, etc? Every time there is a mass shooting, posters here complain that media coverage sensationalizing the incident and fueling the desire of the next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory"

It's not a media question or even a judicial question. There are state laws called Sunshine Laws governing disclosure of government records. I'm not an expert in the topic and certainly not on MIssouri's law so I don't know if the police can legitimately claim an exception to the general rule that mandates release. But that's the source of the tension, not a "judicial timeline." And frankly, even if they can claim an exception they're doing themselves no favors by shielding the info. They don't have dashboard cameras, they're evicting the press- clearly they have a problem with transparency. They're already inciting the people with their actions, so that ship has sailed.

When there is an ongoing investigation...The sunshine law in regards to public records does not apply until said investigation is complete....my understanding....

The police department is no longer conducting the investigation, as it's been handed off. So not sure how that would apply.

 

[roadkill1292]

I hope everything going on down there today is being filmed, and I hope more journalists are drawn to Ferguson. The chief of police, or whoever is making these idiotic decisions, can go live in China. He'll find their attitude toward transparency and freedom of the press more to his liking.

Yeah it's like if someone did something stupid on the internet, then tried to remove it without considering people took a screen grab of it.

You can't hide this type of abuse by cracking down or trying a blackout, technology beats that in 2014.

So starved for attention with all these desperate look at me attempts in this thread. OK OK, I'll pet the yapping puppy.

Yes I looked into a fundly page, however... it quite obviously wasn't ever released. Why? Because we successfully raised the necessary $15k thanks to our generous sponsors. Booth was the biggest in fest history, Tipsy fed an army and got plenty of media coverage, and thousands of people dropped in and had a blast. We'd also like to welcome fellow FBGer sbonomo and his brother to the squad for next year. Great guys.

Thanks for checking on to make sure everything went smoothly though. It IS nice to know my sig is so far under your skin that it's evoked this sort of tantrum here and :e:lsewhere.

Was this post supposed to be in this thread? Why does Tipsy have a booth at the Ferguson riot?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Due process. Justice in this country takes time. I keep seeing reports demanding the name of the officers involved in the shooting. Since when does the media dictate our judicial timeline? I have no doubt that this will be handled in due time. Some of these people are just stupid enough to harm family members of the officers involved.

Also, could the police want to control media coverage to avoid sensationalizing the guys throwing molotov cocktails, etc? Every time there is a mass shooting, posters here complain that media coverage sensationalizing the incident and fueling the desire of the next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory"

It's not a media question or even a judicial question. There are state laws called Sunshine Laws governing disclosure of government records. I'm not an expert in the topic and certainly not on MIssouri's law so I don't know if the police can legitimately claim an exception to the general rule that mandates release. But that's the source of the tension, not a "judicial timeline." And frankly, even if they can claim an exception they're doing themselves no favors by shielding the info. They don't have dashboard cameras, they're evicting the press- clearly they have a problem with transparency. They're already inciting the people with their actions, so that ship has sailed.

When there is an ongoing investigation...The sunshine law in regards to public records does not apply until said investigation is complete....my understanding....

That doesn't sound right to me- I don't know if you're wrong but I've seen several articles about the ACLU and others filing requests for the report and no mention of that provision. It may be there but if so I feel like I would have seen it mentioned.

Not that it really matters at this point. We're well past the point where the police should be transparent because the law requires it. They should be transparent because what they've completely lost the trust of the people and they've needlessly escalated the conflict at every turn.

 

[Henry Ford]

I'm assuming that most people have seen the KARG footage from last night. That's the footage taken by a reporter who was with the protestors when they had tear gas and rubber bullets fired on them by the St. Louis County Police. It's the footage that looks like it was filmed by the same person who did the Paris Hilton porn. If you haven't seen the footage, here's the video of when the action really heated up. It's gripping:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyViGx1Lpws

I understand that the police need to bring an end to the looting and return order to Ferguson. I also understand that the police told residents that they can peacefully protest during the day, but must be off the streets by sundown. With that said, the protestors appeared to be completely peaceful when they were fired upon. Between what appeared to be an aggressive response last night by the st. Louis County Police and reports of media members being arrested by the Ferguson Police Department, it appears the police in that area may be overly aggressive. That supports the the argument that the officer may have been overly aggressive in the Michael Brown incident that set this whole thing off.

I understand the policing a potential riot is a life threatening job, and policemen have wives and children to go home to. When the police fired last night, though, there did not appear to be an immediate clear and present danger to them or the community in general.

What. The. ####.

 

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Was this post supposed to be in this thread? Why does Tipsy have a booth at the Ferguson riot?

DD has been basically begging everyone to look at his sig for the last couple pages, I was just finally petting the puppy so it would quiet down and go back to his corner.

Back to your regularly scheduled riots.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Due process. Justice in this country takes time. I keep seeing reports demanding the name of the officers involved in the shooting. Since when does the media dictate our judicial timeline? I have no doubt that this will be handled in due time. Some of these people are just stupid enough to harm family members of the officers involved.

Also, could the police want to control media coverage to avoid sensationalizing the guys throwing molotov cocktails, etc? Every time there is a mass shooting, posters here complain that media coverage sensationalizing the incident and fueling the desire of the next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory"

It's not a media question or even a judicial question. There are state laws called Sunshine Laws governing disclosure of government records. I'm not an expert in the topic and certainly not on MIssouri's law so I don't know if the police can legitimately claim an exception to the general rule that mandates release. But that's the source of the tension, not a "judicial timeline." And frankly, even if they can claim an exception they're doing themselves no favors by shielding the info. They don't have dashboard cameras, they're evicting the press- clearly they have a problem with transparency. They're already inciting the people with their actions, so that ship has sailed.

When there is an ongoing investigation...The sunshine law in regards to public records does not apply until said investigation is complete....my understanding....

That doesn't sound right to me- I don't know if you're wrong but I've seen several articles about the ACLU and others filing requests for the report and no mention of that provision. It may be there but if so I feel like I would have seen it mentioned.

Not that it really matters at this point. We're well past the point where the police should be transparent because the law requires it. They should be transparent because what they've completely lost the trust of the people and they've needlessly escalated the conflict at every turn.

Yeah I'd like confirmation, but again I don't think an internal investigation of an employee is open to public records.

 

[RUSF18]

I'm assuming that most people have seen the KARG footage from last night. That's the footage taken by a reporter who was with the protestors when they had tear gas and rubber bullets fired on them by the St. Louis County Police. It's the footage that looks like it was filmed by the same person who did the Paris Hilton porn. If you haven't seen the footage, here's the video of when the action really heated up. It's gripping:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyViGx1Lpws

I understand that the police need to bring an end to the looting and return order to Ferguson. I also understand that the police told residents that they can peacefully protest during the day, but must be off the streets by sundown. With that said, the protestors appeared to be completely peaceful when they were fired upon. Between what appeared to be an aggressive response last night by the st. Louis County Police and reports of media members being arrested by the Ferguson Police Department, it appears the police in that area may be overly aggressive. That supports the the argument that the officer may have been overly aggressive in the Michael Brown incident that set this whole thing off.

I understand the policing a potential riot is a life threatening job, and policemen have wives and children to go home to. When the police fired last night, though, there did not appear to be an immediate clear and present danger to them or the community in general.

What. The. ####.

I was watching that feed last night but came in a little late to it. I had figured there was a reason for that escalation by the police, but it didn't seem to happen. It looks like a couple bottles were thrown at the cops (fully decked out in riot gear and basically behind tanks) that came up 50 yards short but that would probably be the justification used.

Doesn't seem to justify shooting tear gas at three members of the media who were quite clearly standing nowhere near any protesters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=720_l3dgbYA

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I hope everything going on down there today is being filmed, and I hope more journalists are drawn to Ferguson. The chief of police, or whoever is making these idiotic decisions, can go live in China. He'll find their attitude toward transparency and freedom of the press more to his liking.

Yeah it's like if someone did something stupid on the internet, then tried to remove it without considering people took a screen grab of it.

You can't hide this type of abuse by cracking down or trying a blackout, technology beats that in 2014.

So starved for attention with all these desperate look at me attempts in this thread. OK OK, I'll pet the yapping puppy.

Yes I looked into a fundly page, however... it quite obviously wasn't ever released. Why? Because we successfully raised the necessary $15k thanks to our generous sponsors. Booth was the biggest in fest history, Tipsy fed an army and got plenty of media coverage, and thousands of people dropped in and had a blast. We'd also like to welcome fellow FBGer sbonomo and his brother to the squad for next year. Great guys.

Thanks for checking on to make sure everything went smoothly though. It IS nice to know my sig is so far under your skin that it's evoked this sort of tantrum here and :e:lsewhere.

You panicking and pulling it down is priceless Kenny Powers look-a-like. You did the same thing with the WWP link you had to the white supremacist site until you realized what had happened. Please post some racist rants please, gives me more material to demonstrate what a dooshcanoe you are. Thanks for playing, kickball commish.

 

[kentric]

I'm assuming that most people have seen the KARG footage from last night. That's the footage taken by a reporter who was with the protestors when they had tear gas and rubber bullets fired on them by the St. Louis County Police. It's the footage that looks like it was filmed by the same person who did the Paris Hilton porn. If you haven't seen the footage, here's the video of when the action really heated up. It's gripping:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyViGx1Lpws

I understand that the police need to bring an end to the looting and return order to Ferguson. I also understand that the police told residents that they can peacefully protest during the day, but must be off the streets by sundown. With that said, the protestors appeared to be completely peaceful when they were fired upon. Between what appeared to be an aggressive response last night by the St. Louis County Police and reports of media members being arrested by the Ferguson Police Department, it appears the police in that area may be overly aggressive. That supports the the argument that the officer may have been overly aggressive in the Michael Brown incident that set this whole thing off.

I understand the policing a potential riot is a life threatening job, and policemen have wives and children to go home to. When the police fired last night, though, there did not appear to be an immediate clear and present danger to them or the community in general.

The police totally screwed up the handling of this situation. Firing tear gas and rubber bullets into the crowd was a huge mistake. Yes, keeping people off the streets will prevent further rioting at night, but you've got to put the circumstances into perspective. Doing what they did in that video just acts to allienate people in the neighborhood more.

For the record, I wouldn't have minded them firing the first canister at the guy describing the situation in the video. His voice was totally getting on my nerves.

 

[timschochet]

Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?

I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions.

I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.

IMO, that is a worthy topic to discuss (though I don't know what your specific point is.)

 

[[icon]]

You panicking and pulling it down is priceless Kenny Powers look-a-like. You did the same thing with the WWP link you had to the white supremacist site until you realized what had happened.

Please post some racist rants please, gives me more material to demonstrate what a dooshcanoe you are. Thanks for playing, kickball commish.

Good lord you live in a strange world. I wish I cared about anything as much as you cared about me

Sorry guys... I'll leave the yapping puppy alone.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm embarrassed to be an American today.

Why don't you just go live somewhere else? You have way too much white guilt bud.

Do you not know what the word "today" means? I love my country as much as anyone. I love it enough to see its faults and to want it to be more. I can also admit my teeny tiny role in being complicit in this and want to do better.

It's too bad that you apparently can't do the same. "White guilt" my ###.

Meh, you take every opportunity you get to hate yourself for being an American, for being white, for being straight. I understand your frustration but your melodrama gets old. Funny thing is I agree with a lot of your points. I believe Michael Sam should get his shot. I believe cops are far too militarized.

That's you reading far too much into my posts. I promise you I don't hate myself for being American, white or straight.

Apparently people are struggling with the word "today" in my post. Sorry if that seemed melodramatic, so to clarify once again- my embarrassment is temporary. You can love something a lot and still be embarrassed and ashamed about stuff it does from time to time, as any married man can tell you.

I used to be this way about Dungeons and Dragons. Loved playing that game in high school.

 

[Dan Gladden's Mustache]

Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?

I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions. I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.

IMO, that is a worthy topic to discuss (though I don't know what your specific point is.)

You should start a thread.

 

[Henry Ford]

So... the kid was shot on Saturday, right? And that's when the protest/riot started?

Where the #### are the state and federal governments right now?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Due process. Justice in this country takes time. I keep seeing reports demanding the name of the officers involved in the shooting. Since when does the media dictate our judicial timeline? I have no doubt that this will be handled in due time. Some of these people are just stupid enough to harm family members of the officers involved.

Also, could the police want to control media coverage to avoid sensationalizing the guys throwing molotov cocktails, etc? Every time there is a mass shooting, posters here complain that media coverage sensationalizing the incident and fueling the desire of the next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory"

It's not a media question or even a judicial question. There are state laws called Sunshine Laws governing disclosure of government records. I'm not an expert in the topic and certainly not on MIssouri's law so I don't know if the police can legitimately claim an exception to the general rule that mandates release. But that's the source of the tension, not a "judicial timeline." And frankly, even if they can claim an exception they're doing themselves no favors by shielding the info. They don't have dashboard cameras, they're evicting the press- clearly they have a problem with transparency. They're already inciting the people with their actions, so that ship has sailed.

When there is an ongoing investigation...The sunshine law in regards to public records does not apply until said investigation is complete....my understanding....

That doesn't sound right to me- I don't know if you're wrong but I've seen several articles about the ACLU and others filing requests for the report and no mention of that provision. It may be there but if so I feel like I would have seen it mentioned.

Not that it really matters at this point. We're well past the point where the police should be transparent because the law requires it. They should be transparent because what they've completely lost the trust of the people and they've needlessly escalated the conflict at every turn.

Yeah I'd like confirmation, but again I don't think an internal investigation of an employee is open to public records.

People want to see the incident report- the same kind of police document immediately after something goes down that we've all seen hundreds of times when there's one that's funny or interesting or involves an athlete or something. I don't think that's part of the internal investigation.

 

[timschochet]

So... the kid was shot on Saturday, right? And that's when the protest/riot started?

Where the #### are the state and federal governments right now?

Good question. At the very least, the national guard should be involved.

 

[[icon]]

So... the kid was shot on Saturday, right? And that's when the protest/riot started?

Where the #### are the state and federal governments right now?

Good question. At the very least, the national guard should be involved.

After last night I'll be amazed if they aren't . This is global news now.

 

[timschochet]

Due process. Justice in this country takes time. I keep seeing reports demanding the name of the officers involved in the shooting. Since when does the media dictate our judicial timeline? I have no doubt that this will be handled in due time. Some of these people are just stupid enough to harm family members of the officers involved.

Also, could the police want to control media coverage to avoid sensationalizing the guys throwing molotov cocktails, etc? Every time there is a mass shooting, posters here complain that media coverage sensationalizing the incident and fueling the desire of the next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory"

It's not a media question or even a judicial question. There are state laws called Sunshine Laws governing disclosure of government records. I'm not an expert in the topic and certainly not on MIssouri's law so I don't know if the police can legitimately claim an exception to the general rule that mandates release. But that's the source of the tension, not a "judicial timeline." And frankly, even if they can claim an exception they're doing themselves no favors by shielding the info. They don't have dashboard cameras, they're evicting the press- clearly they have a problem with transparency. They're already inciting the people with their actions, so that ship has sailed.

When there is an ongoing investigation...The sunshine law in regards to public records does not apply until said investigation is complete....my understanding....

That doesn't sound right to me- I don't know if you're wrong but I've seen several articles about the ACLU and others filing requests for the report and no mention of that provision. It may be there but if so I feel like I would have seen it mentioned.

Not that it really matters at this point. We're well past the point where the police should be transparent because the law requires it. They should be transparent because what they've completely lost the trust of the people and they've needlessly escalated the conflict at every turn.

Yeah I'd like confirmation, but again I don't think an internal investigation of an employee is open to public records.

People want to see the incident report- the same kind of police document immediately after something goes down that we've all seen hundreds of times when there's one that's funny or interesting or involves an athlete or something. I don't think that's part of the internal investigation.

When so many people assume the police are culpable of a crime and/or a cover up, and there are protests and riots as a result of this belief, any internal investigation is going to be unsatisfactory anyhow- almost irrelevant. There needs to be an outside investigation- state or federal. Pretty sure there will be, because that's the only way this gets resolved.

 

[lod01]

So... the kid was shot on Saturday, right? And that's when the protest/riot started?

Where the #### are the state and federal governments right now?

state and federal governments

 

[dozer]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

 

[Slapdash]

So... the kid was shot on Saturday, right? And that's when the protest/riot started?

Where the #### are the state and federal governments right now?

Good question. At the very least, the national guard should be involved.

Involved to do what? Subdue the police?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm assuming that most people have seen the KARG footage from last night. That's the footage taken by a reporter who was with the protestors when they had tear gas and rubber bullets fired on them by the St. Louis County Police. It's the footage that looks like it was filmed by the same person who did the Paris Hilton porn. If you haven't seen the footage, here's the video of when the action really heated up. It's gripping:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyViGx1Lpws

I understand that the police need to bring an end to the looting and return order to Ferguson. I also understand that the police told residents that they can peacefully protest during the day, but must be off the streets by sundown. With that said, the protestors appeared to be completely peaceful when they were fired upon. Between what appeared to be an aggressive response last night by the st. Louis County Police and reports of media members being arrested by the Ferguson Police Department, it appears the police in that area may be overly aggressive. That supports the the argument that the officer may have been overly aggressive in the Michael Brown incident that set this whole thing off.

I understand the policing a potential riot is a life threatening job, and policemen have wives and children to go home to. When the police fired last night, though, there did not appear to be an immediate clear and present danger to them or the community in general.

What. The. ####.

Seems like a reasonable response. People are standing around peacefully with their arms raised. What else could the police really do besides fire on them?

 

[timschochet]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

Not pleased by this at all. Especially giving out his address. Who knows what might happen?

I suppose there is no way to stop this, but it really sucks IMO.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

So... the kid was shot on Saturday, right? And that's when the protest/riot started?

Where the #### are the state and federal governments right now?

Good question. At the very least, the national guard should be involved.

The Ferguson police clearly can't be trusted to handle this situation. I would fully support Obama sending in the National Guard like in Little Rock.

 

[[icon]]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

 

[Sammy3469]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

If Anonymous really has this:

We have video of Mike Brown's body being shoved into the back of a PD SUV. No EMS was on the scene at all as we first thought.

then this got even worse if that's at all possible.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

If the autopsy confirms witness reports that the kid was shot umpteen times in the back from 30' away it's probably not going to help calm things down.

Also hoping that the state/feds step in tonight. Protests are probably going to be larger and it wouldn't take much to set off something even more tragic.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

So... the kid was shot on Saturday, right? And that's when the protest/riot started?

Where the #### are the state and federal governments right now?

Good question. At the very least, the national guard should be involved.

Involved to do what? Subdue the police?

Basically, yeah. I trust the National Guard to keep looting under control without turning the city into a war zone than I do the local police.

 

[timschochet]

So... the kid was shot on Saturday, right? And that's when the protest/riot started?

Where the #### are the state and federal governments right now?

Good question. At the very least, the national guard should be involved.

Involved to do what? Subdue the police?

IMO, they need to replace the police at least temporarily as the authority. That should, in turn, calm down the protesters and hopefully bring an end to the less peaceful protests.

Once everyone has had a chance to breathe here, then the outside investigations can begin. But first law and order have to be restored.

ETA- And please stop jumping on my posts as if you can't wait to prove that I want to blame the protestors for this mess.

 

[timschochet]

So... the kid was shot on Saturday, right? And that's when the protest/riot started?

Where the #### are the state and federal governments right now?

Good question. At the very least, the national guard should be involved.

The Ferguson police clearly can't be trusted to handle this situation. I would fully support Obama sending in the National Guard like in Little Rock.

Isn't it the governor that sends in the National Guard? The President sends in federal troops (which is what Ike did in Little Rock.) I don't think that's necessary yet.

 

[hagmania]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

Not pleased by this at all. Especially giving out his address. Who knows what might happen?

I suppose there is no way to stop this, but it really sucks IMO.

IF this is worse than being reported, people should know.

 

[TobiasFunke]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

Not pleased by this at all. Especially giving out his address. Who knows what might happen?

I suppose there is no way to stop this, but it really sucks IMO.

The way to stop it would be for the police department to release the info itself so they could arrange for protection for the man, respond to media questions, etc. This is what happens when don't consider yourself accountable to the people- the people remind you that you are.

 

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So... the kid was shot on Saturday, right? And that's when the protest/riot started?

Where the #### are the state and federal governments right now?

Good question. At the very least, the national guard should be involved.

Involved to do what? Subdue the police?

Local police prob need to turn over the keys and have a seat.

 

[Slapdash]

ETA- And please stop jumping on my posts as if you can't wait to prove that I want to blame the protestors for this mess.

I give zero ####s about what you want me to post, just like you do about ruining numerous threads.

 

[Sabertooth]

So... the kid was shot on Saturday, right? And that's when the protest/riot started?

Where the #### are the state and federal governments right now?

I agree. They need to be involved.

 

[Slapdash]

So... the kid was shot on Saturday, right? And that's when the protest/riot started?

Where the #### are the state and federal governments right now?

Good question. At the very least, the national guard should be involved.

Involved to do what? Subdue the police?

Local police prob need to turn over the keys and have a seat.

Absolutely. They are acting like they are playing a video game and just got access to newer, awesome weapons.

 

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Photo of shooter: Officer Bryan P Willman that Anon will be leaking shortly.

 

[Slapdash]

Edit: The idea that it can somehow be illegal to film the police while performing their official duties in a public place is ridiculous on its face.

Not to the police. This has been a welcome complement to their militarization.

 

[Sabertooth]

Photo of shooter: Officer Bryan P Willman that Anon will be leaking shortly.

That's not good.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Can't speak to veracity of the study but it does reflect a common perception (and possibly truth?) that a black man openly possessing a firearm is very likely to be committing or about to commit a crime. A white man openly possessing a firearm is far more likely to be using that weapon for sport or self defense.

Assuming this data is true: If black people wish to stop being perceived in this manner, they would be wise to stop perpetuating it via high rates of gun.

Maybe this could be on a poster next year at the BBQ tent? Just spitballing marketing ideas here. Thoughts?

 

[RUSF18]

Jonathan Allen ‏@jonallendc 18m

Bloomberg: Missouri Gov. Nixon to announce St. Louis County police being taken out of situation. per Rep. Clay (D-Mo.). #Ferguson

 

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Jonathan Allen ‏@jonallendc 18m

Bloomberg: Missouri Gov. Nixon to announce St. Louis County police being taken out of situation. per Rep. Clay (D-Mo.). #Ferguson

Probably a good call.

 

[kentric]

Jonathan Allen ‏@jonallendc 18m

Bloomberg: Missouri Gov. Nixon to announce St. Louis County police being taken out of situation. per Rep. Clay (D-Mo.). #Ferguson

Good to hear. Hopefully the National Guard show more constraint.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

Airstrikes a possibility here?

 

[RUSF18]

Photo of shooter: Officer Bryan P Willman that Anon will be leaking shortly.

That's not good.

St. Louis County PD ‏@stlcountypd 8m

@TheAnonMessage Bryan Willman is not even an officer with Ferguson or St. Louis County PD. Do not release more info on this random citizen.

 

[Henry Ford]

Photo of shooter: Officer Bryan P Willman that Anon will be leaking shortly.

Is that webcam footage of him seeing his name on Anonymous's twitter feed?