Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (4 Viewers)

[B-Deep]

Kind of an odd thread title

looting is about the least alarming thing going on. #Ferguson on twitter is a much better source of info than the news

from no fly zones to innocents with their hands raised being gassed and shot with rubber bullets, to journalists arrested and detained for no reason the situation is a damn mess

 

[RUSF18]

Kind of an odd thread title

looting is about the least alarming thing going on. #Ferguson on twitter is a much better source of info than the news

from no fly zones to innocents with their hands raised being gassed and shot with rubber bullets, to journalists arrested and detained for no reason the situation is a damn mess

That's what happens when you rely on Otis to make a timely update.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

It is a shame that what a few bad policemen do will be projected as if this is happening in police forces everywhere. The type of sterotyping that is being done is the exact same stereotyping that they are fighting against. This is a rare occurance.

Maybe this will be a kick in the ### of motivation for all the good police officers to clean their own house and get rid of the bad ones.

About as likely as the other side doing the same, unfortunately.

Other side?

This is a confrontation between citizens and officers, no?

Or am I imagining the last few days and everyone on the same side here?

Citizens are supposed to clean up their side from having unarmed people shot by the police?

Some citizens are peacefully protesting.

Some are breaking into places and looting.

Do I REALLY need to spell this out for you?

Sure, go ahead.

here ya go

Is this the Shark Pool?

 

[hagmania]

Look, I'm already throwing out anecdotal evidence, never presented this as a scientific study. Should I have kept a notebook and cataloged every police interaction I've seen in my neighborhood over the last 5 years?

You don't think someone can end up focusing on one group of people because of subconscious beliefs? I'm trying to say most police probably wouldn't admit to any amount of racism, but their actions say otherwise to an outside observer.

Are you saying that most police are racist?

TBH I think most people are racist.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Kind of an odd thread title

looting is about the least alarming thing going on. #Ferguson on twitter is a much better source of info than the news

from no fly zones to innocents with their hands raised being gassed and shot with rubber bullets, to journalists arrested and detained for no reason the situation is a damn mess

In fairness to Otis, this thread was started before we got eyewitness accounts of the shooting and before the local police decided to double down on jackassery.

 

[Slapdash]

Kind of an odd thread title

looting is about the least alarming thing going on. #Ferguson on twitter is a much better source of info than the news

from no fly zones to innocents with their hands raised being gassed and shot with rubber bullets, to journalists arrested and detained for no reason the situation is a damn mess

Stop trying to distract everyone from making thinly-veiled racist statements.

 

[Quez]

Easy on the quoting George Jefferson airplane. This thread is becoming unreadable on mobile.

 

[tom22406]

Rand Paul chimes in

http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Rand Paul chimes in

http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

A big tip of the hat to Rand. Even knowing that most of the "TYRANNY!" crowd is just a bunch of people who hate Obama it's still surprising that they're completely silent.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So the news in NO today:

Black female NOPD cop shot and killed someone during a traffic stop. It took over 2 days to report it.

We're they unarmed?

Haven't looked at the story yet but will later. It would not surprise me. NOPD loves to hide information and evidence, and under-report. I will provide an update.

Unarmed according to what I read.

http://www.wwltv.com/news/More-questions-than-answers-after-officer-involved-shooting-in-Algiers-271178821.html

Thanks.

I am not surprised. - Note, you won't be seeing riots here. Most people will hardly be aware of this is my guess. I just happened to notice this story while passing a newsstand.

By the way we have a liberal (D) mayor and have had black liberal mayors (and often black police chiefs) before that for 40 years. Our mayor before last is the head of the National Urban League. That's not a political commentary, the point is that there is corruption and money ($), and an apathetic citizenship, ultimately behind these issues. These issues are not happening directly because of race, though race is a component of how they operate.

 

[EYLive]

If a Chinese-American teenager was shot without cause by police, do you suppose that Asian-Americans would be out in the streets protesting, with some rioting and looting? Of course not, because Asian-Americans, at least in the last 60 years or so, don't have personal experiences with police.

That's not the most prominent reason why there is far less likelihood of rioting and looting among Asian-Americans.

There's a considerable difference in propensity toward violence between a subsection of the African-American community compared to the Asian-American community. For instance, I live in Indiana. Indianapolis annualy holds a Black Expo weekend. It's supposed to be a fun family gathering for a predominantly African-American crowd, but that event is annually marred by violence from young African-American males looking to create trouble (link). It's these pockets of havoc bent young African-American men, not all African-Americans, who loot and riot during protests. Comparable pockets of young Asian-American men looking to create havoc are far more rare. This dynamic has little to do with personal experience with police.

You suggest that most African-Americans have had negative experiences with the police, and that may be true. If negative personal experiences with the police was the primary reason for looting and rioting, though, then wouldn't more African-Americans be rioting and looting?

I think it comes down to family structure and discipline at home. Parents tend to be married and will stay together to properly raise their kids even if the adults can't stand each other; they sacrifice for the next generation. Asian immigrants also tend to work their butt off to make something of themselves and within a generation or 2, the family settles into the middle-class.

I can't speak to how other ethnic groups live though.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Rand Paul chimes in

http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

Good for him.

Would love to hear the same urgent language from other elected leaders. Claire McCaskill is the only other person I've heard from who seems to get the significance of this.

 

[mcintyre1]

It is a shame that what a few bad policemen do will be projected as if this is happening in police forces everywhere. The type of sterotyping that is being done is the exact same stereotyping that they are fighting against. This is a rare occurance.

Young black guy here in Denver just got 3M for being abused in Denver Jail - not that rareFeds are coming in soon to take over department

Here in Minneapolis, I'd say 80% of the time I see a police officer dealing with a civilian, it is a black male. And I live in a very yuppy neighborhood. Can't tell me there isn't some kind of targetting there, intentional or not.

80% seems made up. Also, if it isnt intentional, I dont understand how it can be classified as targeting? You cant accidently target a group. Racist cops have been an issue for years. Why dont we ever hear anything from black cops? Are they just considered Uncle Toms?

Look, I'm already throwing out anecdotal evidence, never presented this as a scientific study. Should I have kept a notebook and cataloged every police interaction I've seen in my neighborhood over the last 5 years?

You don't think someone can end up focusing on one group of people because of subconscious beliefs? I'm trying to say most police probably wouldn't admit to any amount of racism, but their actions say otherwise to an outside observer.

Are you saying that most police are racist?

I think most PEOPLE are a little bit racist. It is, unfortunately, human nature. We are afraid of people that we perceive as different or those that we think do not share out values. Unless we're forced to interact with disparate populations and actively realize that those people are, at a base level, no different from us, we will continue to believe that they are.

 

[Run It Up]

Watched a stream of tonights protest. Tuned in a couple hours after someone threw a molotov.

Everyone protesting peacefully as far as I could tell, after the first hour the police had told everyone to stop filming multiple times. Eventually the police issue a final warning to stop filming. The police then issued a second final warning to stop filming.

The protesters responded through a megaphone that they would not stop filming. The police then blasted their crowd control sonic weapon for a good couple minutes. After the crowd didn't disperse they cut the sonic weapon and shot several volleys of tear gas into the crowd and surrounding neighborhood, following it up almost immediately with rubber bullets as people began to disperse.

The tear gas canisters can be seen catching someones lawn on fire as the crowd retreated into a large neighborhood. The police pursued while firing more tear gas and rubber bullets into this neighborhood.

This whole thing is a mess. Why they haven't called in the national guard yet is beyond me, the STL police are clearly handling this ####### terribly.

Whats confusing about tuning into the protest, I watched it for over an hour and seeing them protesting peacefully? Someone threw a molotov earlier, I didn't see it myself live but I saw it today on the news. If they advanced on them for the molotov, why did they wait until hours afterwards to advance?

I don't believe police safety goes ahead of the right to peacefully assemble. I don't believe an overwhelmingly peaceful protest can be disrupted because of one agitator.

 

[Cjw_55106]

EDGARTOWN Mass. (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama on Thursday called for peace on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, after the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager by a police officer and urged authorities to be transparent in their investigation.

"Now is the time for healing. Now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of Ferguson," Obama told reporters on Martha's Vineyard, where he is vacationing with his family.

"Now is the time for an open and transparent process to see that justice is done," Obama said.

He said he had asked the attorney general and U.S. attorney on the scene to report back to him in the coming days about the process.

 

[DocHolliday]

Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?

I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions.

I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.

IMO, that is a worthy topic to discuss (though I don't know what your specific point is.

That topic would be a disaster. This board is too immature. It would just turn into another battle over race.

My point was going to discuss the root cause of the poor, black communities. African-Americans cannot break out of the cycle of high unemployment, poverty, lack of family structure, and high incarcaration.

This thread is about Ferguson so it should remain focused on a corrupt police force. The citizens have the right to protest after the BS that has gone down there. Any community should be making itself heard when the police are shooting people in the back as they flee. The looting is a side story. The main focus must stay on what started the whole situation.

 

[jamny]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

 

[Slapdash]

Rand Paul chimes in

http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

Rand has more to say about police brutality against blacks than the ####### President?

 

[[icon]]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

ANON: WE ARE MEGAHACKERS! FEAR US!!!!

TWITTER: (pullsplug)

 

[Slapdash]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

We're moving into the shut down social media phase.

 

[Bucky86]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

 

[mcintyre1]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

ANON: WE ARE MEGAHACKERS! FEAR US!!!!

TWITTER: (pullsplug)

The fact that you're laughing shows how little you understand about what "hacking" is.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?

I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions.

I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.

IMO, that is a worthy topic to discuss (though I don't know what your specific point is.

That topic would be a disaster. This board is too immature. It would just turn into another battle over race.

My point was going to discuss the root cause of the poor, black communities. African-Americans cannot break out of the cycle of high unemployment, poverty, lack of family structure, and high incarcaration.

This thread is about Ferguson so it should remain focused on a corrupt police force. The citizens have the right to protest after the BS that has gone down there. Any community should be making itself heard when the police are shooting people in the back as they flee. The looting is a side story. The main focus must stay on what started the whole situation.

You have to want to change before change can happen....

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

I'm going to guess they did this - putatively - because they released the cop's name.

Personally, to me, that's public record. So are the recordings.

 

[Slapdash]

Police on Thursday defended the use of tear gas and smoke bombs to repel protesters after another night of chaos in a St. Louis suburb following the shooting of unarmed 18-year-old Michael Brown.

St. Louis County police spokesman Brian Schellman said officers on Wednesday night tossed tear gas to disperse a large crowd of protesters after some threw Molotov cocktails and rocks at officers. More than 10 people were arrested in Ferguson.

"In talking to these guys, it is scary," Schellman said of officers on the front lines of the protest. "They hear gunshots going off, and they don't know where they're coming from."

Odd. You'd think some of these cameras would capture the threat of violence these officers faced. Unless they are lying or something.... http://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2014/08/14/obama-statement/14054549/

 

[TobiasFunke]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

We're moving into the shut down social media phase.

This doesn't bother me at all. Twitter is a private company that creates a voluntary forum, they're free to set whatever standards they like for use of the forum.

 

[urbanhack]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews - this is their account. not shut down.

 

[[icon]]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

ANON: WE ARE MEGAHACKERS! FEAR US!!!!

TWITTER: (pullsplug)

The fact that you're laughing shows how little you understand about what "hacking" is.

Settle down nancy...it's an entertaining anecdote.

 

[mcintyre1]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

Not surprised, Twitter shuts down accounts purely based on how often they get reported. And it doesn't take very many to drop the banhammer.

 

[urbanhack]

Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?

I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions.

I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.

IMO, that is a worthy topic to discuss (though I don't know what your specific point is.

That topic would be a disaster. This board is too immature. It would just turn into another battle over race.

My point was going to discuss the root cause of the poor, black communities. African-Americans cannot break out of the cycle of high unemployment, poverty, lack of family structure, and high incarcaration.

This thread is about Ferguson so it should remain focused on a corrupt police force. The citizens have the right to protest after the BS that has gone down there. Any community should be making itself heard when the police are shooting people in the back as they flee. The looting is a side story. The main focus must stay on what started the whole situation.

You have to want to change before change can happen....

Amazing how you know so much about them.

 

[lod01]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

ANON: WE ARE MEGAHACKERS! FEAR US!!!!

TWITTER: (pullsplug)

 

[mcintyre1]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

ANON: WE ARE MEGAHACKERS! FEAR US!!!!

TWITTER: (pullsplug)

The fact that you're laughing shows how little you understand about what "hacking" is.

Settle down nancy...it's an entertaining anecdote.

It isn't entertaining if you have any concept of what it is that they do. But have fun laughing at your own ignorance if you want, I guess.

 

[jonessed]

Watched a stream of tonights protest. Tuned in a couple hours after someone threw a molotov.

Everyone protesting peacefully as far as I could tell, after the first hour the police had told everyone to stop filming multiple times. Eventually the police issue a final warning to stop filming. The police then issued a second final warning to stop filming.

The protesters responded through a megaphone that they would not stop filming. The police then blasted their crowd control sonic weapon for a good couple minutes. After the crowd didn't disperse they cut the sonic weapon and shot several volleys of tear gas into the crowd and surrounding neighborhood, following it up almost immediately with rubber bullets as people began to disperse.

The tear gas canisters can be seen catching someones lawn on fire as the crowd retreated into a large neighborhood. The police pursued while firing more tear gas and rubber bullets into this neighborhood.

This whole thing is a mess. Why they haven't called in the national guard yet is beyond me, the STL police are clearly handling this ####### terribly.

Whats confusing about tuning into the protest, I watched it for over an hour and seeing them protesting peacefully? Someone threw a molotov earlier, I didn't see it myself live but I saw it today on the news. If they advanced on them for the molotov, why did they wait until hours afterwards to advance? I don't believe police safety goes ahead of the right to peacefully assemble. I don't believe an overwhelmingly peaceful protest can be disrupted because of one agitator.

I think it does, but police safety didn't seem to be an issue in this case. It's hard to tell though. I don't know everything that went on.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?

I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions.

I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.

IMO, that is a worthy topic to discuss (though I don't know what your specific point is.

That topic would be a disaster. This board is too immature. It would just turn into another battle over race.

My point was going to discuss the root cause of the poor, black communities. African-Americans cannot break out of the cycle of high unemployment, poverty, lack of family structure, and high incarcaration.

This thread is about Ferguson so it should remain focused on a corrupt police force. The citizens have the right to protest after the BS that has gone down there. Any community should be making itself heard when the police are shooting people in the back as they flee. The looting is a side story. The main focus must stay on what started the whole situation.

You have to want to change before change can happen....

Amazing how you know so much about them.

Do you have to know "them" to know that change can't happen without the individuals involved wanting/making it happen?...

 

[timschochet]

Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?

I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions.

I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.

IMO, that is a worthy topic to discuss (though I don't know what your specific point is.

That topic would be a disaster. This board is too immature. It would just turn into another battle over race.

My point was going to discuss the root cause of the poor, black communities. African-Americans cannot break out of the cycle of high unemployment, poverty, lack of family structure, and high incarcaration.

This thread is about Ferguson so it should remain focused on a corrupt police force. The citizens have the right to protest after the BS that has gone down there. Any community should be making itself heard when the police are shooting people in the back as they flee. The looting is a side story. The main focus must stay on what started the whole situation.

You have to want to change before change can happen....

So you're suggesting that blacks like to be unemployed, live in poverty, and go to jail?

 

[tom22406]

Rand Paul chimes in

http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

Good for him.

Would love to hear the same urgent language from other elected leaders. Claire McCaskill is the only other person I've heard from who seems to get the significance of this.

You can love Rand or hate him but this is one issue he feels very strongly about and yes I totally agree others need to get on board and it is rather odd that many are not or are just staying quiet.

 

[mcintyre1]

Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?

I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions.

I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.

IMO, that is a worthy topic to discuss (though I don't know what your specific point is.

That topic would be a disaster. This board is too immature. It would just turn into another battle over race.

My point was going to discuss the root cause of the poor, black communities. African-Americans cannot break out of the cycle of high unemployment, poverty, lack of family structure, and high incarcaration.

This thread is about Ferguson so it should remain focused on a corrupt police force. The citizens have the right to protest after the BS that has gone down there. Any community should be making itself heard when the police are shooting people in the back as they flee. The looting is a side story. The main focus must stay on what started the whole situation.

You have to want to change before change can happen....

Amazing how you know so much about them.

Do you have to know "them" to know that change can't happen without the individuals involved wanting/making it happen?...

And what basis do you have to make the claim that they don't want it? That's what he's pointing out. You're not there. You're not one of them. You don't know them. You can't know. You can make a lot of assumptions based on YOUR experiences and beliefs, but you can't completely understand. You can empathize, listen, and interact, but you can't ever fully understand because you haven't lived it.

 

[jonessed]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

ANON: WE ARE MEGAHACKERS! FEAR US!!!!

TWITTER: (pullsplug)

The fact that you're laughing shows how little you understand about what "hacking" is.

Settle down nancy...it's an entertaining anecdote.

It isn't entertaining if you have any concept of what it is that they do. But have fun laughing at your own ignorance if you want, I guess.

I don't think you have to be an expert on hacking to find that funny.

I'm sure the information will be sent on a different account. I don't see what the purpose would be though. Releasing the report is one thing. Nothing positive can come out of a bunch of hackers releasing the officer's name (assuming they even get it right).

 

[[icon]]

ANON: WE ARE MEGAHACKERS! FEAR US!!!!

TWITTER: (pullsplug)

The fact that you're laughing shows how little you understand about what "hacking" is.

Settle down nancy...it's an entertaining anecdote.

It isn't entertaining if you have any concept of what it is that they do. But have fun laughing at your own ignorance if you want, I guess.

so awesome

 

[timschochet]

I'd like to know more about the motivations of the police here. Yes, racist attitudes are most definitely a part of it, but I have trouble believing the entire Ferguson police force is racist. Even if many of them are racist, many of the actions they've taken seem highly irrational.

It's easy for people in these situations to simply point at the police and say, "They're racist! They're brutal!" without looking for deeper explanations. In no way am I attempting to justify their actions- I simply would like to know more.

 

[Sammy3469]

I'd like to know more about the motivations of the police here. Yes, racist attitudes are most definitely a part of it, but I have trouble believing the entire Ferguson police force is racist. Even if many of them are racist, many of the actions they've taken seem highly irrational.

It's easy for people in these situations to simply point at the police and say, "They're racist! They're brutal!" without looking for deeper explanations. In no way am I attempting to justify their actions- I simply would like to know more.

Deep Thoughts by Tim

 

[[icon]]

I don't think you have to be an expert on hacking to find that funny.

I'm sure the information will be sent on a different account. I don't see what the purpose would be though. Releasing the report is one thing. Nothing positive can come out of a bunch of hackers releasing the officer's name (assuming they even get it right).

THANK YOU

I'm guessing Anon is willing to accept "casualties" in the name of transparency and truth when they take up a cause like this. I agree there's not much benefit to the release (and possibly a great deal of harm) but when people feel powerless they tend to grasp at what straws they can and pull hard.

Hopefully IF they release anything, it's accurate, and doesn't result in vigilante justice.

 

[jonessed]

Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?

I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions. I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.

IMO, that is a worthy topic to discuss (though I don't know what your specific point is.

That topic would be a disaster. This board is too immature. It would just turn into another battle over race. My point was going to discuss the root cause of the poor, black communities. African-Americans cannot break out of the cycle of high unemployment, poverty, lack of family structure, and high incarcaration.

This thread is about Ferguson so it should remain focused on a corrupt police force. The citizens have the right to protest after the BS that has gone down there. Any community should be making itself heard when the police are shooting people in the back as they flee. The looting is a side story. The main focus must stay on what started the whole situation.

You have to want to change before change can happen....

So you're suggesting that blacks like to be unemployed, live in poverty, and go to jail?

I know a few families that seem content on public assistance. More content than I would be anyway. They definitely don't live in poverty though. Do you know any families on long-term public assistance? How do they feel about it?

 

[timschochet]

Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?

I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions. I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.

IMO, that is a worthy topic to discuss (though I don't know what your specific point is.

That topic would be a disaster. This board is too immature. It would just turn into another battle over race. My point was going to discuss the root cause of the poor, black communities. African-Americans cannot break out of the cycle of high unemployment, poverty, lack of family structure, and high incarcaration.

This thread is about Ferguson so it should remain focused on a corrupt police force. The citizens have the right to protest after the BS that has gone down there. Any community should be making itself heard when the police are shooting people in the back as they flee. The looting is a side story. The main focus must stay on what started the whole situation.

You have to want to change before change can happen....

So you're suggesting that blacks like to be unemployed, live in poverty, and go to jail?

I know a few families that seem content on public assistance. More content than I would be anyway. They definitely don't live in poverty though. Do you know any families on long-term public assistance? How do they feel about it?

I don't personally know anyone on long term public assistence, no. However, I think that anyone who believes that African-Americans, as general rule, are "content" to be on public assistence, is expressing a racist attitude.

 

[mcintyre1]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

ANON: WE ARE MEGAHACKERS! FEAR US!!!!

TWITTER: (pullsplug)

The fact that you're laughing shows how little you understand about what "hacking" is.

Settle down nancy...it's an entertaining anecdote.

It isn't entertaining if you have any concept of what it is that they do. But have fun laughing at your own ignorance if you want, I guess.

I don't think you have to be an expert on hacking to find that funny.

I'm sure the information will be sent on a different account. I don't see what the purpose would be though. Releasing the report is one thing. Nothing positive can come out of a bunch of hackers releasing the officer's name (assuming they even get it right).

Why is it funny that a lackey Twitter employee got a ticket that said "x people reported y account" and hit a button that flipped a 'suspended' flag from 0 to 1 in a database? It has absolutely nothing to do with hacking or Anonymous's reputation as purveyors of (often ill-gotten) information. Do you think they should have "hacked" Twitter to flip it back? Where's the punchline?

 

[Lutherman2112]

News sources are waiting to confirm, but here is Annonymous releasing the name of the officer. The say they will release his photo and address later today.

account suspended

https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews - this is their account. not shut down.

Anonymous
‏@YourAnonNews
Suspending one #Anonymous account merely temporarily quietens one of a myriad of voices, we will not be silenced when it comes to #Ferguson.

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't think you have to be an expert on hacking to find that funny.

I'm sure the information will be sent on a different account. I don't see what the purpose would be though. Releasing the report is one thing. Nothing positive can come out of a bunch of hackers releasing the officer's name (assuming they even get it right).

THANK YOU

I'm guessing Anon is willing to accept "casualties" in the name of transparency and truth when they take up a cause like this. I agree there's not much benefit to the release (and possibly a great deal of harm) but when people feel powerless they tend to grasp at what straws they can and pull hard.

Hopefully IF they release anything, it's accurate, and doesn't result in vigilante justice.

That's exactly why they are releasing it though. They want to circumvent the court system and distribute some frontier justice.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?

I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions.

I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.

IMO, that is a worthy topic to discuss (though I don't know what your specific point is.

That topic would be a disaster. This board is too immature. It would just turn into another battle over race.

My point was going to discuss the root cause of the poor, black communities. African-Americans cannot break out of the cycle of high unemployment, poverty, lack of family structure, and high incarcaration.

This thread is about Ferguson so it should remain focused on a corrupt police force. The citizens have the right to protest after the BS that has gone down there. Any community should be making itself heard when the police are shooting people in the back as they flee. The looting is a side story. The main focus must stay on what started the whole situation.

You have to want to change before change can happen....

Amazing how you know so much about them.

Do you have to know "them" to know that change can't happen without the individuals involved wanting/making it happen?...

And what basis do you have to make the claim that they don't want it? That's what he's pointing out. You're not there. You're not one of them. You don't know them. You can't know. You can make a lot of assumptions based on YOUR experiences and beliefs, but you can't completely understand. You can empathize, listen, and interact, but you can't ever fully understand because you haven't lived it.

When you all make excuses you are doing a disservice to the millions of successful black people in this world...I guess their success was just a fluke.

 

[jonessed]

Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?

I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions. I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.

IMO, that is a worthy topic to discuss (though I don't know what your specific point is.

That topic would be a disaster. This board is too immature. It would just turn into another battle over race. My point was going to discuss the root cause of the poor, black communities. African-Americans cannot break out of the cycle of high unemployment, poverty, lack of family structure, and high incarcaration.

This thread is about Ferguson so it should remain focused on a corrupt police force. The citizens have the right to protest after the BS that has gone down there. Any community should be making itself heard when the police are shooting people in the back as they flee. The looting is a side story. The main focus must stay on what started the whole situation.

You have to want to change before change can happen....

So you're suggesting that blacks like to be unemployed, live in poverty, and go to jail?

I know a few families that seem content on public assistance. More content than I would be anyway. They definitely don't live in poverty though. Do you know any families on long-term public assistance? How do they feel about it?

I don't personally know anyone on long term public assistence, no. However, I think that anyone who believes that African-Americans, as general rule, are "content" to be on public assistence, is expressing a racist attitude.

Some are, some aren't, I'm sure. Maybe you should take some of your own advice and stop generalizing.

 

[hagmania]

Why is it funny that a lackey Twitter employee got a ticket that said "x people reported y account" and hit a button that flipped a 'suspended' flag from 0 to 1 in a database? It has absolutely nothing to do with hacking or Anonymous's reputation as purveyors of (often ill-gotten) information. Do you think they should have "hacked" Twitter to flip it back? Where's the punchline?

You're not this dense, cmon.

"WE R LEGION. WE USE COMPUTAR"

their solely computer-based means of communication gets taken away from them

It's a bit humorous.

However, Anonymous doesn't care, they're willing to accept accounts getting suspended. It's not like they can't make a bajillion more and release it that way.