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Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (1 Viewer)

timschochet said:
Doc, I'll try to answer your question. There are many reasons why more blacks don't move out of poor, black neighborhoods:

1. Most of them that live in these neighborhoods do not earn enough to be able to afford to live anywhere else.

2. Of those that can afford it, many of the ones who choose to stay feel comfortable in their neighborhoods, close friends, and a sense of loyalty.

3. Many African-Americans feel a sense of hostility or unwelcome in non black areas.

4. There are lots of historical reasons that these neighborhoods developed in the first place, having to do with Jim Crow, segregation, the jobs in the north that began with World War II, the "white flight" to the suburbs, and more.

Does this answer your question? Or do you have another point to make here?
I rarely agree with you but at least you actually try to provide reasoning for your opinions.

I had another point to make about blacks and employment which goes back to your reason #1 but it does not matter at this point. It will just end up being a debate concerning the unemployment rate for African--Americans.
IMO, that is a worthy topic to discuss (though I don't know what your specific point is.
That topic would be a disaster. This board is too immature. It would just turn into another battle over race.

My point was going to discuss the root cause of the poor, black communities. African-Americans cannot break out of the cycle of high unemployment, poverty, lack of family structure, and high incarcaration.

This thread is about Ferguson so it should remain focused on a corrupt police force. The citizens have the right to protest after the BS that has gone down there. Any community should be making itself heard when the police are shooting people in the back as they flee. The looting is a side story. The main focus must stay on what started the whole situation.
You have to want to change before change can happen....
Amazing how you know so much about them.
Do you have to know "them" to know that change can't happen without the individuals involved wanting/making it happen?...
Yes, i'm pretty sure everyone's individual situation or circumstances are all different. And are they magically supposed think and have the same expectations as you and me? At the end of the day, this has a lot more to do with class than it does race.

 
Why is it funny that a lackey Twitter employee got a ticket that said "x people reported y account" and hit a button that flipped a 'suspended' flag from 0 to 1 in a database? It has absolutely nothing to do with hacking or Anonymous's reputation as purveyors of (often ill-gotten) information. Do you think they should have "hacked" Twitter to flip it back? Where's the punchline?
You're not this dense, cmon.

"WE R LEGION. WE USE COMPUTAR"

their solely computer-based means of communication gets taken away from them

It's a bit humorous.

However, Anonymous doesn't care, they're willing to accept accounts getting suspended. It's not like they can't make a bajillion more and release it that way.
He's gotta be trolling... nobody's that dense. :lol:

 
When you all make excuses you are doing a disservice to the millions of successful black people in this world...I guess their success was just a fluke.
Gotta admit, I kind of admire this. To basically say that black people want to be poor, unemployed and in prison ... and then respond to the inevitable WTF? replies by flipping it around to accuse everyone else of being racist. That's something else.

 
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

"Sunday Aug. 10

10 a.m. – St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar holds a news conference and says the investigation shows that Michael Brown, 18, was unarmed. Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car."

The discussion should stop here. An 18 year old man physically assaulted a police officer, reached for the officer's gun and got killed for it. Seems to me one of the two was going to lose his life.

 
So the news in NO today:

Black female NOPD cop shot and killed someone during a traffic stop. It took over 2 days to report it.
Are you sure it was a black cop? I ask because the only link I saw didn't make any reference to race and the injured's lawyer said the following: “I have a theory that when you have two black males in a car at 1:30 in an area where they shouldn't be or don't belong, police might act a little more aggressive towards them,” That doesn't necessarily preclude the cop from being black, but it does raise the question.

 
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

"Sunday Aug. 10

10 a.m. – St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar holds a news conference and says the investigation shows that Michael Brown, 18, was unarmed. Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car."

The discussion should stop here. An 18 year old man physically assaulted a police officer, reached for the officer's gun and got killed for it. Seems to me one of the two was going to lose his life.
Not that simple. Even if all of that is true, if it's also true that the officer had retaken control of the situation and Brown's arms were in the air, as has been reported, then the officer is guilty of murder.

 
So the news in NO today:

Black female NOPD cop shot and killed someone during a traffic stop. It took over 2 days to report it.
Are you sure it was a black cop? I ask because the only link I saw didn't make any reference to race and the injured's lawyer said the following: I have a theory that when you have two black males in a car at 1:30 in an area where they shouldn't be or don't belong, police might act a little more aggressive towards them, That doesn't necessarily preclude the cop from being black, but it does raise the question.
I think that statement would be accurate regardless of the officer's race.

 
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

"Sunday Aug. 10

10 a.m. St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar holds a news conference and says the investigation shows that Michael Brown, 18, was unarmed. Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car."

The discussion should stop here. An 18 year old man physically assaulted a police officer, reached for the officer's gun and got killed for it. Seems to me one of the two was going to lose his life.
Except that account seems to be refuted by several potential witnesses.
 
When you all make excuses you are doing a disservice to the millions of successful black people in this world...I guess their success was just a fluke.
Gotta admit, I kind of admire this. To basically say that black people want to be poor, unemployed and in prison ... and then respond to the inevitable WTF? replies by flipping it around to accuse everyone else of being racist. That's something else.
I simply said in order for there to be change you have to want change...Where did I say all black people want to be poor? You can't force change on people. You can provide all of the tools possible for change and it still will not make a difference unless change is wanted. If that is a racist statement, than I am flabbergasted.

 
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

"Sunday Aug. 10

10 a.m. – St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar holds a news conference and says the investigation shows that Michael Brown, 18, was unarmed. Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car."

The discussion should stop here. An 18 year old man physically assaulted a police officer, reached for the officer's gun and got killed for it. Seems to me one of the two was going to lose his life.
Did they catch it on camera? Was there any other evidence other than the P.O.?

 
Another animal reference.

Eli Rosenberg @EliKMBC · 16h
"We're dealing with 4,000 animals in there, & you want to give me attitude?" The deputy yelled, mad I was taking a pic #Ferguson #MikeBrown
 
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

"Sunday Aug. 10

10 a.m. – St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar holds a news conference and says the investigation shows that Michael Brown, 18, was unarmed. Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car."

The discussion should stop here. An 18 year old man physically assaulted a police officer, reached for the officer's gun and got killed for it. Seems to me one of the two was going to lose his life.
Not that simple. Even if all of that is true, if it's also true that the officer had retaken control of the situation and Brown's arms were in the air, as has been reported, then the officer is guilty of murder.
I swear I'm not being difficult, but do you have a link for that "as it's been reported" part?

 
So the news in NO today:

Black female NOPD cop shot and killed someone during a traffic stop. It took over 2 days to report it.
Are you sure it was a black cop? I ask because the only link I saw didn't make any reference to race and the injured's lawyer said the following: “I have a theory that when you have two black males in a car at 1:30 in an area where they shouldn't be or don't belong, police might act a little more aggressive towards them,” That doesn't necessarily preclude the cop from being black, but it does raise the question.
I think I saw that in the Advocate while passing the newsstand. I will see if I can verify. The cops are 100% equal opportunity in terms of corruption down here.

 
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

"Sunday Aug. 10

10 a.m. – St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar holds a news conference and says the investigation shows that Michael Brown, 18, was unarmed. Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car."

The discussion should stop here. An 18 year old man physically assaulted a police officer, reached for the officer's gun and got killed for it. Seems to me one of the two was going to lose his life.
Not that simple. Even if all of that is true, if it's also true that the officer had retaken control of the situation and Brown's arms were in the air, as has been reported, then the officer is guilty of murder.
I swear I'm not being difficult, but do you have a link for that "as it's been reported" part?
Perhaps you should do some research for yourself....or read the previous 15 pages

 
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

"Sunday Aug. 10

10 a.m. St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar holds a news conference and says the investigation shows that Michael Brown, 18, was unarmed. Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car."

The discussion should stop here. An 18 year old man physically assaulted a police officer, reached for the officer's gun and got killed for it. Seems to me one of the two was going to lose his life.
If Brown was shot in or around the police car I could buy it. I can buy into Brown trying to grab the weapon but once the officer secured the gun and Brown ran how was the shooting justified? Can't be.
 
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

"Sunday Aug. 10

10 a.m. – St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar holds a news conference and says the investigation shows that Michael Brown, 18, was unarmed. Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car."

The discussion should stop here. An 18 year old man physically assaulted a police officer, reached for the officer's gun and got killed for it. Seems to me one of the two was going to lose his life.
Sure. No need for the other side of the story or anything.

 
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

"Sunday Aug. 10

10 a.m. – St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar holds a news conference and says the investigation shows that Michael Brown, 18, was unarmed. Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car."

The discussion should stop here. An 18 year old man physically assaulted a police officer, reached for the officer's gun and got killed for it. Seems to me one of the two was going to lose his life.
Not that simple. Even if all of that is true, if it's also true that the officer had retaken control of the situation and Brown's arms were in the air, as has been reported, then the officer is guilty of murder.
I swear I'm not being difficult, but do you have a link for that "as it's been reported" part?
Perhaps you should do some research for yourself....or read the previous 15 pages
I did some research, slappy, and have yet to find anything stating what some people are claiming other than twitter references.

 
I don't know how long it will take for other law enforcement to take over, but I can't see a reason why the local PD shouldn't stand down. If it's true that they are escalating the tension and the protestors are trying to protest in peace, things will settle down.

 
You didn't care while it was going on but now you complain, why do you think this was happening. This will be the result of the peoples inaction. You did not complain when the government ran all over that rancher in Montana, but now you got issues. Go figure. Welcome to the new USA.
Government Helped Create Ferguson’s Militarized Police.August 14, 2014 Since 2006, the Pentagon has distributed 432 mine-resistant armored vehicles to local police departments. It has also doled out more than 400 other armored vehicles, 500 aircraft, and 93,000 machine guns. As The New York Times reported in June, the Defense Department has been making use of unused military equipment by giving it to local precincts.
 
You didn't care while it was going on but now you complain, why do you think this was happening. This will be the result of the peoples inaction. You did not complain when the government ran all over that rancher in Montana, but now you got issues. Go figure. Welcome to the new USA.

Government Helped Create Fergusons Militarized Police.

August 14, 2014 Since 2006, the Pentagon has distributed 432 mine-resistant armored vehicles to local police departments. It has also doled out more than 400 other armored vehicles, 500 aircraft, and 93,000 machine guns. As The New York Times reported in June, the Defense Department has been making use of unused military equipment by giving it to local precincts.
A lot of war veterans move into police work as well.

The militarization of local police has been driven on a national level. It exists everywhere and is largely a response to the war on terror (in my opinion). It's going to be hard to roll back.

 
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

"Sunday Aug. 10

10 a.m. St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar holds a news conference and says the investigation shows that Michael Brown, 18, was unarmed. Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car."

The discussion should stop here. An 18 year old man physically assaulted a police officer, reached for the officer's gun and got killed for it. Seems to me one of the two was going to lose his life.
If Brown was shot in or around the police car I could buy it. I can buy into Brown trying to grab the weapon but once the officer secured the gun and Brown ran how was the shooting justified? Can't be.
Says he was shot once in the car and a number of times outside the car. His body ended up 35 feet from the vehicle. Unless he staggered away after being shot or, they continued fighting outside the car, its kind of difficult to imagine him being a threat 35 feet away from the incident.

 
I'm sure Rep. King was talking about North America.

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) claimed that racial profiling is not a concern in Ferguson, Missouri, because all of the protesters are of a "continental origin."

Speaking on conservative network Newsmax TV on Wednesday, King disagreed that racial profiling played a role in the fatal shooting of unarmed black teenager Michael Brown or the targeting of those protesting his death because, King claims, everyone protesting the situation is black.

"This idea of no racial profiling ... I've seen the video. It looks to me like you don't need to bother with that particular factor because they all appear to be of a single origin, I should say, a continental origin might be the way to phrase that," he said.

King was responding to the Congressional Black Caucus' demand for the Department of Justice to conduct an extensive investigation into questionable actions of the St. Louis County Police Department in response to the largely peaceful protests in Ferguson. The CBC expressed concern that the police may have a history of racial profiling.

link
 
I'm sure Rep. King was talking about North America.

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) claimed that racial profiling is not a concern in Ferguson, Missouri, because all of the protesters are of a "continental origin."

Speaking on conservative network Newsmax TV on Wednesday, King disagreed that racial profiling played a role in the fatal shooting of unarmed black teenager Michael Brown or the targeting of those protesting his death because, King claims, everyone protesting the situation is black.

"This idea of no racial profiling ... I've seen the video. It looks to me like you don't need to bother with that particular factor because they all appear to be of a single origin, I should say, a continental origin might be the way to phrase that," he said.

King was responding to the Congressional Black Caucus' demand for the Department of Justice to conduct an extensive investigation into questionable actions of the St. Louis County Police Department in response to the largely peaceful protests in Ferguson. The CBC expressed concern that the police may have a history of racial profiling.

link
This guy should go on the road. He'd make a fortune as a comedian.

 
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

"Sunday Aug. 10

10 a.m. St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar holds a news conference and says the investigation shows that Michael Brown, 18, was unarmed. Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car."

The discussion should stop here. An 18 year old man physically assaulted a police officer, reached for the officer's gun and got killed for it. Seems to me one of the two was going to lose his life.
If Brown was shot in or around the police car I could buy it. I can buy into Brown trying to grab the weapon but once the officer secured the gun and Brown ran how was the shooting justified? Can't be.
Says he was shot once in the car and a number of times outside the car. His body ended up 35 feet from the vehicle. Unless he staggered away after being shot or, they continued fighting outside the car, its kind of difficult to imagine him being a threat 35 feet away from the incident.
Forensics should be able to tell how far away he was when shot. Brown could have continued moving or the officer could have moved towards Brown before firing.

 
It's an interesting notion that giving more firepower and weapons to the police has made the situation worse. It may be jumping to conclusions however. My skepticism is based on two points:

1. There were plenty of racial incidents between white police and young black men, all over the United States, prior to the Defense Department giving excess weapons and armored vehicles to the police.

2. If this were the case we would have to see a staistical increase in such incidents all throughout the USA, wherever police received this stuff. If there is such statistical proof, it hasn't been presented.

I don't know for sure, maybe all this new weaponry is helping to make a bad situation much worse. But without more clear evidence, I don't see how we can reach that conclusion-yet.

 
When you all make excuses you are doing a disservice to the millions of successful black people in this world...I guess their success was just a fluke.
Gotta admit, I kind of admire this. To basically say that black people want to be poor, unemployed and in prison ... and then respond to the inevitable WTF? replies by flipping it around to accuse everyone else of being racist. That's something else.
I simply said in order for there to be change you have to want change...Where did I say all black people want to be poor? You can't force change on people. You can provide all of the tools possible for change and it still will not make a difference unless change is wanted. If that is a racist statement, than I am flabbergasted.
Amazing, isn't it? DAS RACISSSS!!!!

 
I'd like to know more about the motivations of the police here. Yes, racist attitudes are most definitely a part of it, but I have trouble believing the entire Ferguson police force is racist. Even if many of them are racist, many of the actions they've taken seem highly irrational.

It's easy for people in these situations to simply point at the police and say, "They're racist! They're brutal!" without looking for deeper explanations. In no way am I attempting to justify their actions- I simply would like to know more.
Actually, on the cover it's simple: white cop takes out black teen.

Underlying all this there is a white mayor, white city manager and white police chief in a city that is 70% black. Not that that's impossible, but I'm getting the feeling this town doesn't have any kind of black political leadership. We've got what looks like a largely white police force with brand new shiny military outfits and weapons and vehicles that are too big for their training, who are defending their own and likely have never had any kind of local media scrutiny into finances or practices. A lot more is at stake than just what the one cop did, there are likely all kinds of interests at play here.

With the DOJ moving in there is going to be serious rock overturning and discovery of all kinds of shenanigans, just watch.

 
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It's an interesting notion that giving more firepower and weapons to the police has made the situation worse. It may be jumping to conclusions however. My skepticism is based on two points:

1. There were plenty of racial incidents between white police and young black men, all over the United States, prior to the Defense Department giving excess weapons and armored vehicles to the police.

2. If this were the case we would have to see a staistical increase in such incidents all throughout the USA, wherever police received this stuff. If there is such statistical proof, it hasn't been presented.

I don't know for sure, maybe all this new weaponry is helping to make a bad situation much worse. But without more clear evidence, I don't see how we can reach that conclusion-yet.
That's because the weapons have nothing to do with it...The guy was shot with a hand gun not a tank....Maybe it is as simple as the police officer is a bad employee.

 
When you all make excuses you are doing a disservice to the millions of successful black people in this world...I guess their success was just a fluke.
Gotta admit, I kind of admire this. To basically say that black people want to be poor, unemployed and in prison ... and then respond to the inevitable WTF? replies by flipping it around to accuse everyone else of being racist. That's something else.
I simply said in order for there to be change you have to want change...Where did I say all black people want to be poor? You can't force change on people. You can provide all of the tools possible for change and it still will not make a difference unless change is wanted. If that is a racist statement, than I am flabbergasted.
Right here you responded to a post that said, among other things, that "African-Americans cannot break out of the cycle of high unemployment, poverty, lack of family structure, and high incarcaration" by highlighting the quoted language and saying that "you have to want change before that change can happen."

Literally the only interpretation of that post I can come up with, including the language you chose to highlight, is that you're saying change won't happen until African-Americans want it, i.e. that they currently don't. If I'm misreading that, feel free to explain what you actually meant.

 
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You didn't care while it was going on but now you complain, why do you think this was happening. This will be the result of the peoples inaction. You did not complain when the government ran all over that rancher in Montana, but now you got issues. Go figure. Welcome to the new USA.

Government Helped Create Fergusons Militarized Police.

August 14, 2014 Since 2006, the Pentagon has distributed 432 mine-resistant armored vehicles to local police departments. It has also doled out more than 400 other armored vehicles, 500 aircraft, and 93,000 machine guns. As The New York Times reported in June, the Defense Department has been making use of unused military equipment by giving it to local precincts.
A lot of war veterans move into police work as well. The militarization of local police has been driven on a national level. It exists everywhere and is largely a response to the war on terror (in my opinion). It's going to be hard to roll back.
Pretty big reach here don't you think? Do you have any empirical evidence to support this? How many ferguson pd members are vets? Other cities? Amount of incidents involving war vets, etc?
 
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

"Sunday Aug. 10

10 a.m. St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar holds a news conference and says the investigation shows that Michael Brown, 18, was unarmed. Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car."

The discussion should stop here. An 18 year old man physically assaulted a police officer, reached for the officer's gun and got killed for it. Seems to me one of the two was going to lose his life.
If Brown was shot in or around the police car I could buy it. I can buy into Brown trying to grab the weapon but once the officer secured the gun and Brown ran how was the shooting justified? Can't be.
Says he was shot once in the car and a number of times outside the car. His body ended up 35 feet from the vehicle. Unless he staggered away after being shot or, they continued fighting outside the car, its kind of difficult to imagine him being a threat 35 feet away from the incident.
Forensics should be able to tell how far away he was when shot. Brown could have continued moving or the officer could have moved towards Brown before firing.
The later part is what could cause trouble for the cop. If the conflict occured in the car and Brown started walking away, the situation could be viewed as being past critical. That would go out the window of course if Brown came back toward the cop. That doesn't appear to be the case as this would have been something covered by the police chief in his statement.

 
When you all make excuses you are doing a disservice to the millions of successful black people in this world...I guess their success was just a fluke.
Gotta admit, I kind of admire this. To basically say that black people want to be poor, unemployed and in prison ... and then respond to the inevitable WTF? replies by flipping it around to accuse everyone else of being racist. That's something else.
:goodposting:

 
There really may not be anything more annoying than when someone comes into these threads days later and thinks they know everything.

 
You didn't care while it was going on but now you complain, why do you think this was happening. This will be the result of the peoples inaction. You did not complain when the government ran all over that rancher in Montana, but now you got issues. Go figure. Welcome to the new USA.

Government Helped Create Fergusons Militarized Police.

August 14, 2014 Since 2006, the Pentagon has distributed 432 mine-resistant armored vehicles to local police departments. It has also doled out more than 400 other armored vehicles, 500 aircraft, and 93,000 machine guns. As The New York Times reported in June, the Defense Department has been making use of unused military equipment by giving it to local precincts.
A lot of war veterans move into police work as well.The militarization of local police has been driven on a national level. It exists everywhere and is largely a response to the war on terror (in my opinion). It's going to be hard to roll back.
Pretty big reach here don't you think? Do you have any empirical evidence to support this? How many ferguson pd members are vets? Other cities? Amount of incidents involving war vets, etc?
It is easy to imagine war veterans moving toward police work. I found no direct evidence of that though. On the second part, it sure looks 2 + 2 = 4 on the war on terror statement.

 
Wonder where all the libertarians are that had such a hard on for the Cliven Bundy deal? :crickets:
Somebody want to ask the Liberals/Progressives what our President is doing distributing hardcore military equipment to local police forces?
Pretty sure that falls on Bush. At worst, Obama didn't end the program (but good luck fighting the influence of the military industrial complex that is now getting to sell support for those vehicles that would have otherwise been sent to a scrap heap and retired).

 
You didn't care while it was going on but now you complain, why do you think this was happening. This will be the result of the peoples inaction. You did not complain when the government ran all over that rancher in Montana, but now you got issues. Go figure. Welcome to the new USA.

Government Helped Create Fergusons Militarized Police.

August 14, 2014 Since 2006, the Pentagon has distributed 432 mine-resistant armored vehicles to local police departments. It has also doled out more than 400 other armored vehicles, 500 aircraft, and 93,000 machine guns. As The New York Times reported in June, the Defense Department has been making use of unused military equipment by giving it to local precincts.
A lot of war veterans move into police work as well.The militarization of local police has been driven on a national level. It exists everywhere and is largely a response to the war on terror (in my opinion). It's going to be hard to roll back.
Pretty big reach here don't you think? Do you have any empirical evidence to support this? How many ferguson pd members are vets? Other cities? Amount of incidents involving war vets, etc?
I don't think there's a problem with vets as cops, there's a long tradition of that. You want vets as cops. Heck the vets may be more responsible. It's the small town yokels who are getting into britches three times too big that's the problem. All of a sudden they think they're Rambo.

 
Wonder where all the libertarians are that had such a hard on for the Cliven Bundy deal? :crickets:
http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/police-should-stand-down-in-ferguson-mo
Libertarian Party: Police should stand down in Ferguson, MO; end failed drug war
Of course it's not enough that the police are breaking civil rights, no the LP takes it a step past that to their larger agenda.
Some of the statement goes like this

"The militarization of our domestic police forces must end," said Nicholas Sarwark, chair of the Libertarian National Committee. "The failed War on Drugs must end. And there's no circumstance in which any government authority should attempt to silence or suppress the news media or people peacefully observing police conduct."

So far, police in Ferguson have placed two reporters under arrest — one for the Washington Post and one for the Huffington Post — along with an observer, a St. Louis alderman.

The Libertarian Party calls on the Ferguson and St. Louis County Police Departments to:

  • Release the name of the police officer who shot Michael Brown.
  • Let the investigation into the shooting play out without escalating tensions.
  • Stop arresting reporters and observers in blatant violation of the First Amendment
  • Stand down and withdraw the militarized response.
The Libertarian Party also denounces and demands accountability for protesters who vandalize, loot, and destroy private property and thus victimize innocent small business owners.
 
Wonder where all the libertarians are that had such a hard on for the Cliven Bundy deal? :crickets:
Somebody want to ask the Liberals/Progressives what our President is doing distributing hardcore military equipment to local police forces?
Pretty sure that falls on Bush. At worst, Obama didn't end the program (but good luck fighting the influence of the military industrial complex that is now getting to sell support for those vehicles that would have otherwise been sent to a scrap heap and retired).
During the Obama administration, according to Pentagon data, police departments have received tens of thousands of machine guns; nearly 200,000 ammunition magazines; thousands of pieces of camouflage and night-vision equipment; and hundreds of silencers, armored cars and aircraft.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-police-departments.html?_r=1

 
On the second part, it sure looks 2 + 2 = 4 on the war on terror statement.
Do you mean nationwide? How so exactly? What about the responses of big city departments like NYC and Boston? Are those appropriate for their terror concerns? Are smaller town departments maybe applying big city methods when it's not appropriate?

 
Wonder where all the libertarians are that had such a hard on for the Cliven Bundy deal? :crickets:
http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/police-should-stand-down-in-ferguson-mo
Libertarian Party: Police should stand down in Ferguson, MO; end failed drug war
Of course it's not enough that the police are breaking civil rights, no the LP takes it a step past that to their larger agenda.
Some of the statement goes like this

"The militarization of our domestic police forces must end," said Nicholas Sarwark, chair of the Libertarian National Committee. "The failed War on Drugs must end. And there's no circumstance in which any government authority should attempt to silence or suppress the news media or people peacefully observing police conduct."

So far, police in Ferguson have placed two reporters under arrest — one for the Washington Post and one for the Huffington Post — along with an observer, a St. Louis alderman.

The Libertarian Party calls on the Ferguson and St. Louis County Police Departments to:

  • Release the name of the police officer who shot Michael Brown.
  • Let the investigation into the shooting play out without escalating tensions.
  • Stop arresting reporters and observers in blatant violation of the First Amendment
  • Stand down and withdraw the militarized response.
The Libertarian Party also denounces and demands accountability for protesters who vandalize, loot, and destroy private property and thus victimize innocent small business owners.
Well stated.

Actually I don't think the GOP or Democratic Parties have said this.

 

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