Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (4 Viewers)

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I wonder if the Ferguson Police Department is CALEA accredited or accredited by MPCCF? I wonder if they have standard Directives? I wonder if their City Attorneys have attended the IACP Legal advisor conferences or if they use those standardized Directives or others?

Actually I know the answers, and the import of the questions.

Would you please mind sharing them with us? You have me interested.

For professional reasons I choose not to do so, but you are an inquisitive cat, I bet if you spent a short bit of time on line, and maybe made one Open Records Request, a simple matter you can easily accomplish, you could have all of your answers. The stunning thing to me in this entire matter is how little homework anyone has done, especially the networks who have the resources to easily understand these things.

I apologize if I am being a pain in the ###, but there are legitimate career reasons I choose to stay at arms length in these types of threads.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I wonder if the Ferguson Police Department is CALEA accredited or accredited by MPCCF? I wonder if they have standard Directives? I wonder if their City Attorneys have attended the IACP Legal advisor conferences or if they use those standardized Directives or others?

Actually I know the answers, and the import of the questions.

Let me be more specific, since you know the answers:1. What is CALEA?

2. What is MPCCF?

3. What difference does it make if they are accredited by one or the other?

4. What are the IACP legal advisor conferences?

5. Which "standard directives" are you referring to? Any at all?

6. How do these questions have bearing on the incident of Wilson and Brown?

tia

Matters readily answered through google. Don't forget Garrity Warnings.

 

[timschochet]

OK, when I have time I will try to do so. Though simply learning what these organizations are doesn't mean that I will be able to grasp why they are important.

 

[Fennis]

I called out officer darren wilson on my ALS ice bucket challenge.

 

[Fennis]

Hey DW, during your career, in your jurisdiction and the surrounding areas, how many times are you aware that a police officer been indicted for shooting someone while the officer was on duty?

 

[PatsWillWin]

I called out officer darren wilson on my ALS ice bucket challenge.

 

[financewonk]

You completely chopped an important part of my statement. The report of the broken eye socket and evidence of a struggle for the gun came from the same source. So if the source was incorrect on the eye socket, then there's reason to doubt his or her claim on there being evidence of a stuggle for the gun. Furthermore, both seemed to be critical points of evidence that folks here were using to justify Wilson's actions

Like I said before, that part goes to the strength of the evidence--which we actually haven't seen yet. You are conflating issues.

I agree with the bold. But I think you are taking what I said out of context. My posts were intended to poke holes in the narrative that's being advanced in the court of public opinion (e.g. this site) as justification for Wilson's actions, which is based off of a radio interview with Wilson's friend and a now questionable report that folks found on Drudge/ Fox. Frankly, I thought that was clear given that I started with the assumptions from the Fox article (i.e. he was viciously beaten, suffered an orbital blowout, there was a struggle for his gun, etc.), but looking back on it now I suppose I wasn't very clear.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Hey DW, during your career, in your jurisdiction and the surrounding areas, how many times are you aware that a police officer been indicted for shooting someone while the officer was on duty?

You call him out for the ice bucket challenge and bc of this you think he's going to answer your questions on pg 80 of this thread?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Christo? Any thoughts why there is no report? I'm blanking on reasons.

He'd had his face broken and was too out of it to call EMS and then hospitalized and couldn't file a report immediately?

Even if that's true (and no evidence of any of it, including the hospitalization), it's been over 12 days. At some point a police report should have been filed. The fact that it wasn't bodes bad things for Officer Wilson and his defenders.

He has the right to remain silent.

What does that have to do with a police report?

Something stinks here.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Christo? Any thoughts why there is no report? I'm blanking on reasons.

He'd had his face broken and was too out of it to call EMS and then hospitalized and couldn't file a report immediately?

Even if that's true (and no evidence of any of it, including the hospitalization), it's been over 12 days. At some point a police report should have been filed. The fact that it wasn't bodes bad things for Officer Wilson and his defenders.

He has the right to remain silent.

That's true. But he also has a responsibility to file a police report. The fact that he didn't suggests that he did something wrong, no?

It suggests he knows his rights.

So he presumed there would be a criminal investigation of the incident for some reason? In your experience, how often does a police officer involved in justified use of lethal force neglect to file an incident report?

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Police in Ferguson, Missouri, did not file an “incident report” on the fatal shooting of 19-year-old Michael Brown because they turned the case over to St. Louis County police almost immediately, the county prosecutor’s office tells NBC News.

I have a few questions* about the alleged "almost immediate" hand-off to the St. Louis County PD.

1. Is it standard protocol for a local PD to turn the case over to the county PD when the local PD shoots or kills a suspect? Or was there something unique about this particular incident? What is the standard for the county taking over a case?

2. How long is "almost immediately"? Does that mean that the county police were at the crime scene analyzing evidence and interviewing potential witnesses immediately after the shooting? Or did the county police merely take the local police's work from the crime scene and incorporate it into a county incident report?

3. When was any incident report, county or local, finally filed? How much time had elapsed since the incident? Is that time gap within the customarily acceptable range of time to file an incident report?

*These are rhetorical questions for this thread. I'll presume none of us have the knowledge to answer them.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Christo? Any thoughts why there is no report? I'm blanking on reasons.

He'd had his face broken and was too out of it to call EMS and then hospitalized and couldn't file a report immediately?

Even if that's true (and no evidence of any of it, including the hospitalization), it's been over 12 days. At some point a police report should have been filed. The fact that it wasn't bodes bad things for Officer Wilson and his defenders.

He has the right to remain silent.

What does that have to do with a police report?Something stinks here.

I read on pg 79 that an incident report was filled out, but since the investigation was transferred to a different department (state police?) the report wasn't initially filled out. These reports aren't made public and will only be released after they're presented to the grand jury.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson has a fractured eye socket"

FFA: "sorry if i don't believe anything from an unnamed source"

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson had a swollen face but no fractured eye"

FFA: "oops" "I knew he didn't have it" "I can't believe people believed an unnamed source"

Then there is also the reaction that Wilson may have had a swollen face but since x-rays to the orbital bone possibly came back negative, there's nothing to see here.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson has a fractured eye socket"

FFA: "sorry if i don't believe anything from an unnamed source"

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson had a swollen face but no fractured eye"

FFA: "oops" "I knew he didn't have it" "I can't believe people believed an unnamed source"

Then there is also the reaction that Wilson may have had a swollen face but since x-rays to the orbital bone possibly came back negative, there's nothing to see here.

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

 

[Gary Coal Man]

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

A few possibilities:

1. Maybe Wilson wasn't as injured as the people arguing Wilson's side have suggested.

2. Maybe the pain from whatever caused Wilson's face to swell hadn't manifested itself yet. There is the old saying, "You'll feel that in the morning", because the worst pain is not always right away.

3. Maybe Wilson had so much adrenaline pumping through him that he couldn't feel pain at that moment. Imagine:

- Imagine being in an encounter where you were blasted in the face by a much larger man and thought your life was at risk.

- Imagine killing a man, including witnessing a potentially graphic head shot.

- Imagine being white man killing a black man in a black neighborhood, and then standing there as the black residents started filing out of their residences and expressing a mob anger toward you.

Any one of those incidents alone could get adrenaline pumping to such a degree that you may not feel pain. There's a possibility that all three of those incidents occurred.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Its not hard to find the racists in threads like this

Yes, everyone who isn't dripping with guilt is obviously racist. Good job columbo...

nope ....just the ones that refer to people as ''those people''

Are you really this stoopid or have you not been keeping up?

i know im stating the obvious ...still it needs to be stated

 

[Christo]

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson has a fractured eye socket"

FFA: "sorry if i don't believe anything from an unnamed source"

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson had a swollen face but no fractured eye"

FFA: "oops" "I knew he didn't have it" "I can't believe people believed an unnamed source"

Then there is also the reaction that Wilson may have had a swollen face but since x-rays to the orbital bone possibly came back negative, there's nothing to see here.

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

Appear to be in pain? Do you expect to be able to see it from space too?

 

[avoiding injuries]

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson has a fractured eye socket"

FFA: "sorry if i don't believe anything from an unnamed source"

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson had a swollen face but no fractured eye"

FFA: "oops" "I knew he didn't have it" "I can't believe people believed an unnamed source"

Then there is also the reaction that Wilson may have had a swollen face but since x-rays to the orbital bone possibly came back negative, there's nothing to see here.

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

I don't know, but it's hard for me to judge the actions of someone who was just in an altercation and killed another person for the first time. I would have to guess his emotions were all over the place and he was filled with adrenaline. I think fractured eye socket sounds good to people supporting DW. In the heat of the moment, I'm not sure how much of a difference there is between that and some less severe injury.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson has a fractured eye socket"

FFA: "sorry if i don't believe anything from an unnamed source"

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson had a swollen face but no fractured eye"

FFA: "oops" "I knew he didn't have it" "I can't believe people believed an unnamed source"

Then there is also the reaction that Wilson may have had a swollen face but since x-rays to the orbital bone possibly came back negative, there's nothing to see here.

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

Appear to be in pain? Do you expect to be able to see it from space too?

surprisingly i can tell you have never been punched in face hard enough to cause damage....

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Hey DW, during your career, in your jurisdiction and the surrounding areas, how many times are you aware that a police officer been indicted for shooting someone while the officer was on duty?

I do not recall a single indictment, though every single Officer Involved Shooting is evaluated at least by the local D.A. who can indict or produce a Declination Letter declining to do so, and often the case may be evaluated by the D.A. from another jurisdiction if there is some hint of potential bias on behalf of the local D.A.'s office. My particular area of the country has included some shootings of unarmed people, people mistakenly thought armed, folks in their own homes on mistakenly served warrants, and in one case that sticks out in my mind of a developmentally disabled boy whose family had called for help in controlling him, and who had explained his disability to dispatch before the officers arrived on scene, apparently having not used the information to formulate any plan or coordination.

I have seen Declinations by the D.A. when Officers are well outside Departmental Directives.

I do not recall any Officer's matter going in front of a grand jury, but there may have been one about 10 years ago in another close by jurisdiction. Still, no indictment.

 

[Christo]

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson has a fractured eye socket"

FFA: "sorry if i don't believe anything from an unnamed source"

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson had a swollen face but no fractured eye"

FFA: "oops" "I knew he didn't have it" "I can't believe people believed an unnamed source"

Then there is also the reaction that Wilson may have had a swollen face but since x-rays to the orbital bone possibly came back negative, there's nothing to see here.

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

Appear to be in pain? Do you expect to be able to see it from space too?

surprisingly i can tell you have never been punched in face hard enough to cause damage....

I'm pretty quick. They never get a clean shot.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson has a fractured eye socket"

FFA: "sorry if i don't believe anything from an unnamed source"

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson had a swollen face but no fractured eye"

FFA: "oops" "I knew he didn't have it" "I can't believe people believed an unnamed source"

Then there is also the reaction that Wilson may have had a swollen face but since x-rays to the orbital bone possibly came back negative, there's nothing to see here.

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

Appear to be in pain? Do you expect to be able to see it from space too?

surprisingly i can tell you have never been punched in face hard enough to cause damage....

I'm pretty quick. They never get a clean shot.

that ....or you mastered the fetal turtle defense

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson has a fractured eye socket"

FFA: "sorry if i don't believe anything from an unnamed source"

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson had a swollen face but no fractured eye"

FFA: "oops" "I knew he didn't have it" "I can't believe people believed an unnamed source"

Then there is also the reaction that Wilson may have had a swollen face but since x-rays to the orbital bone possibly came back negative, there's nothing to see here.

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

I don't know, but it's hard for me to judge the actions of someone who was just in an altercation and killed another person for the first time. I would have to guess his emotions were all over the place and he was filled with adrenaline.I think fractured eye socket sounds good to people supporting DW. In the heat of the moment, I'm not sure how much of a difference there is between that and some less severe injury.

Supporting me? Have I taken a position? Haven't I raised the possibility that even if things had happened how the Officer's proxy (the wife's friends brother's cousin's version)relates that the Officer may have used poor tactics, and that the killing may have still been avoidable?

I have definitely come to no conclusions yet as the information is far to sketchy for anything but wild speculation. Right now we have a litmus test for attitudes. Eventually we may have some facts to discuss.

 

[Christo]

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson has a fractured eye socket"

FFA: "sorry if i don't believe anything from an unnamed source"

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson had a swollen face but no fractured eye"

FFA: "oops" "I knew he didn't have it" "I can't believe people believed an unnamed source"

Then there is also the reaction that Wilson may have had a swollen face but since x-rays to the orbital bone possibly came back negative, there's nothing to see here.

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

Appear to be in pain? Do you expect to be able to see it from space too?

surprisingly i can tell you have never been punched in face hard enough to cause damage....

I'm pretty quick. They never get a clean shot.

that ....or you mastered the fetal turtle defense

I wrestled and played rugby in HS. I boxed in college and worked as a bouncer. I'm not afraid to get hit.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Wilson doesn't have to show anything actually. Probably like George Z, if he ever goes to trial he'll never testify. Just have his defense team question the witnesses, get a jury dominated by older white people, and then his lawyer argues the state can't prove it (which is probably true). And he'll walk.

Why is everything about race. It is the worst Schlick on this forum. Why can't you frame arguments based on the evidence and stop assuming that every person of every race behavior is based on race.

You don't think veiled racial profiling is a MAJOR part of jury selection?

It most certainly is, even in the most boring civil trial.

It's a part of the system, like it or not. Granted there are checks and balances designed to make things fair, but it's sill part of the system.

 

[Henry Ford]

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

A few possibilities:

1. Maybe Wilson wasn't as injured as the people arguing Wilson's side have suggested.

2. Maybe the pain from whatever caused Wilson's face to swell hadn't manifested itself yet. There is the old saying, "You'll feel that in the morning", because the worst pain is not always right away.

3. Maybe Wilson had so much adrenaline pumping through him that he couldn't feel pain at that moment. Imagine:

- Imagine being in an encounter where you were blasted in the face by a much larger man and thought your life was at risk.

- Imagine killing a man, including witnessing a potentially graphic head shot.

- Imagine being white man killing a black man in a black neighborhood, and then standing there as the black residents started filing out of their residences and expressing a mob anger toward you.

Any one of those incidents alone could get adrenaline pumping to such a degree that you may not feel pain. There's a possibility that all three of those incidents occurred.

He also might have used a time machine the next day to go back and stop himself from killing Brown, but ended up getting punched in the face. You can't discount that theory until there's some evidence.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson has a fractured eye socket"

FFA: "sorry if i don't believe anything from an unnamed source"

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson had a swollen face but no fractured eye"

FFA: "oops" "I knew he didn't have it" "I can't believe people believed an unnamed source"

Then there is also the reaction that Wilson may have had a swollen face but since x-rays to the orbital bone possibly came back negative, there's nothing to see here.

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

Appear to be in pain? Do you expect to be able to see it from space too?

It certainly is not definitive. I'm surprised he doesn't touch his face at all.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

So... anyone want to speculate as to why the cop never called EMS, waited to call in the shooting, and never filed a report?

He was waiting for the crowds to gather. He figured a few bad apples would step over the line changing the focus to the uppity rioters instead of the questionable shooting of an unarmed kid.

Just kidding.

Just shows how completely ####ed the ferguson PD is in all of this, regardless of the ultimate outcome. It's going to be a blood bath. Good luck with your private security jobs fellas. Bet those are lucrative in St. Louis.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

A few possibilities:

1. Maybe Wilson wasn't as injured as the people arguing Wilson's side have suggested.

2. Maybe the pain from whatever caused Wilson's face to swell hadn't manifested itself yet. There is the old saying, "You'll feel that in the morning", because the worst pain is not always right away.

3. Maybe Wilson had so much adrenaline pumping through him that he couldn't feel pain at that moment. Imagine:

- Imagine being in an encounter where you were blasted in the face by a much larger man and thought your life was at risk.

- Imagine killing a man, including witnessing a potentially graphic head shot.

- Imagine being white man killing a black man in a black neighborhood, and then standing there as the black residents started filing out of their residences and expressing a mob anger toward you.

Any one of those incidents alone could get adrenaline pumping to such a degree that you may not feel pain. There's a possibility that all three of those incidents occurred.

He also might have used a time machine the next day to go back and stop himself from killing Brown, but ended up getting punched in the face. You can't discount that theory until there's some evidence.

Logic dictates that if you had a time machine you wouldn't use it to travel to the ####hole that is Ferguson, MO 2014.

 

[KCitons]

I wrestled and played rugby in HS. I boxed in college and worked as a bouncer. I'm not afraid to get hit.

Let me get my car.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Christo? Any thoughts why there is no report? I'm blanking on reasons.

He'd had his face broken and was too out of it to call EMS and then hospitalized and couldn't file a report immediately?

Even if that's true (and no evidence of any of it, including the hospitalization), it's been over 12 days. At some point a police report should have been filed. The fact that it wasn't bodes bad things for Officer Wilson and his defenders.

He has the right to remain silent.

After he has been arrested...

 

[TobiasFunke]

So... anyone want to speculate as to why the cop never called EMS, waited to call in the shooting, and never filed a report?

He was waiting for the crowds to gather. He figured a few bad apples would step over the line changing the focus to the uppity rioters instead of the questionable shooting of an unarmed kid.

Just kidding.

Just shows how completely ####ed the ferguson PD is in all of this, regardless of the ultimate outcome. It's going to be a blood bath. Good luck with your private security jobs fellas. Bet those are lucrative in St. Louis.

Yup. I can't even imagine the volume of 1983 suits against the PD for all the unjustified arrests/detentions and media blackouts. I'm betting there will be a whole cottage industry.

 

[Henry Ford]

Christo? Any thoughts why there is no report? I'm blanking on reasons.

He'd had his face broken and was too out of it to call EMS and then hospitalized and couldn't file a report immediately?

Even if that's true (and no evidence of any of it, including the hospitalization), it's been over 12 days. At some point a police report should have been filed. The fact that it wasn't bodes bad things for Officer Wilson and his defenders.

He has the right to remain silent.

After he has been arrested...

You always have the right to be silent about most things. "Am I under arrest?" And "I would like to speak to my lawyer now" Are about the only things you should say to the police if you are under suspicion of, say, murder.

 

[Christo]

Christo? Any thoughts why there is no report? I'm blanking on reasons.

He'd had his face broken and was too out of it to call EMS and then hospitalized and couldn't file a report immediately?

Even if that's true (and no evidence of any of it, including the hospitalization), it's been over 12 days. At some point a police report should have been filed. The fact that it wasn't bodes bad things for Officer Wilson and his defenders.

He has the right to remain silent.

After he has been arrested...

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson has a fractured eye socket"

FFA: "sorry if i don't believe anything from an unnamed source"

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson had a swollen face but no fractured eye"

FFA: "oops" "I knew he didn't have it" "I can't believe people believed an unnamed source"

Then there is also the reaction that Wilson may have had a swollen face but since x-rays to the orbital bone possibly came back negative, there's nothing to see here.

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

I don't know, but it's hard for me to judge the actions of someone who was just in an altercation and killed another person for the first time. I would have to guess his emotions were all over the place and he was filled with adrenaline.I think fractured eye socket sounds good to people supporting DW. In the heat of the moment, I'm not sure how much of a difference there is between that and some less severe injury.

Supporting me? Have I taken a position? Haven't I raised the possibility that even if things had happened how the Officer's proxy (the wife's friends brother's cousin's version)relates that the Officer may have used poor tactics, and that the killing may have still been avoidable?

I have definitely come to no conclusions yet as the information is far to sketchy for anything but wild speculation. Right now we have a litmus test for attitudes. Eventually we may have some facts to discuss.

Um I think he meant Darren Wilson not you

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Christo, are you saying you have no issue with the handling of this and you believe the officer acted appropriately in the moment and after the shooting occurred?

 

[Christo]

So... anyone want to speculate as to why the cop never called EMS, waited to call in the shooting, and never filed a report?

He was waiting for the crowds to gather. He figured a few bad apples would step over the line changing the focus to the uppity rioters instead of the questionable shooting of an unarmed kid.

Just kidding.

Just shows how completely ####ed the ferguson PD is in all of this, regardless of the ultimate outcome. It's going to be a blood bath. Good luck with your private security jobs fellas. Bet those are lucrative in St. Louis.

Yup. I can't even imagine the volume of 1983 suits against the PD for all the unjustified arrests/detentions and media blackouts. I'm betting there will be a whole cottage industry.

Maybe a lot will be filed. But it's pretty hard to prove an individual arrest during widespread protests was done without probable cause.

 

[Christo]

Christo, are you saying you have no issue with the handling of this and you believe the officer acted appropriately in the moment and after the shooting occurred?

I don't know what happened.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson has a fractured eye socket"

FFA: "sorry if i don't believe anything from an unnamed source"

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson had a swollen face but no fractured eye"

FFA: "oops" "I knew he didn't have it" "I can't believe people believed an unnamed source"

Then there is also the reaction that Wilson may have had a swollen face but since x-rays to the orbital bone possibly came back negative, there's nothing to see here.

I think it's a more basic equation.

Unnamed source contradicts unnamed source throw out both entirely.

His face might have been "swollen". That's in contradicted as of this morning.

 

[TobiasFunke]

So... anyone want to speculate as to why the cop never called EMS, waited to call in the shooting, and never filed a report?

He was waiting for the crowds to gather. He figured a few bad apples would step over the line changing the focus to the uppity rioters instead of the questionable shooting of an unarmed kid.

Just kidding.

Just shows how completely ####ed the ferguson PD is in all of this, regardless of the ultimate outcome. It's going to be a blood bath. Good luck with your private security jobs fellas. Bet those are lucrative in St. Louis.

Yup. I can't even imagine the volume of 1983 suits against the PD for all the unjustified arrests/detentions and media blackouts. I'm betting there will be a whole cottage industry.

Maybe a lot will be filed. But it's pretty hard to prove an individual arrest during widespread protests was done without probable cause.

Also wondering about First Amendment-based claims by the media.

Also it's a civil claim so they don't have to prove it. I think it's a preponderance of the evidence standard.

 

[Greggity]

Show me on the streets where a black man grabs a cops gun? I'm tired of this narrative by cops and white folks believing it.

Hey you can't use the term "white folks". That's racist!!

 

[Christo]

So... anyone want to speculate as to why the cop never called EMS, waited to call in the shooting, and never filed a report?

He was waiting for the crowds to gather. He figured a few bad apples would step over the line changing the focus to the uppity rioters instead of the questionable shooting of an unarmed kid.

Just kidding.

Just shows how completely ####ed the ferguson PD is in all of this, regardless of the ultimate outcome. It's going to be a blood bath. Good luck with your private security jobs fellas. Bet those are lucrative in St. Louis.

Yup. I can't even imagine the volume of 1983 suits against the PD for all the unjustified arrests/detentions and media blackouts. I'm betting there will be a whole cottage industry.

Maybe a lot will be filed. But it's pretty hard to prove an individual arrest during widespread protests was done without probable cause.

Also wondering about First Amendment-based claims by the media.

Also it's a civil claim so they don't have to prove it. I think it's a preponderance of the evidence standard.

Yes, they have to prove it.

 

[jon_mx]

Christo? Any thoughts why there is no report? I'm blanking on reasons.

He'd had his face broken and was too out of it to call EMS and then hospitalized and couldn't file a report immediately?

Except his face wasn't broken, as we now know, right?

No, we don't "know" that. We have reports saying it was, and others that it wasn't. I don't know which one is true, but we certainly don't "know" that either way.

Christo? Any thoughts why there is no report? I'm blanking on reasons.

He'd had his face broken and was too out of it to call EMS and then hospitalized and couldn't file a report immediately?

So this is just pure, unadulterated speculation? Heck, maybe Obama shot the kid.

Henry Ford: Someone speculate!

PatsWillWin: Heck, I'll speculate.

Tim: the White Guy is guilty

Sporthenry: That's just speculation!

Fixed.

 

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I wonder if the Ferguson Police Department is CALEA accredited or accredited by MPCCF? I wonder if they have standard Directives? I wonder if their City Attorneys have attended the IACP Legal advisor conferences or if they use those standardized Directives or others?

Actually I know the answers, and the import of the questions.

Would you please mind sharing them with us? You have me interested.

For professional reasons I choose not to do so, but you are an inquisitive cat, I bet if you spent a short bit of time on line, and maybe made one Open Records Request, a simple matter you can easily accomplish, you could have all of your answers. The stunning thing to me in this entire matter is how little homework anyone has done, especially the networks who have the resources to easily understand these things.

I apologize if I am being a pain in the ###, but there are legitimate career reasons I choose to stay at arms length in these types of threads.

 

[msommer]

Christo, are you saying you have no issue with the handling of this and you believe the officer acted appropriately in the moment and after the shooting occurred?

I don't know what happened.

The Christotm cop-out

 

[avoiding injuries]

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson has a fractured eye socket"

FFA: "sorry if i don't believe anything from an unnamed source"

Unnamed source: "officer Wilson had a swollen face but no fractured eye"

FFA: "oops" "I knew he didn't have it" "I can't believe people believed an unnamed source"

Then there is also the reaction that Wilson may have had a swollen face but since x-rays to the orbital bone possibly came back negative, there's nothing to see here.

He doesn't appear to be in pain during that cell phone video where he is talking with that other officer. How long is that after the shooting?

I don't know, but it's hard for me to judge the actions of someone who was just in an altercation and killed another person for the first time. I would have to guess his emotions were all over the place and he was filled with adrenaline.I think fractured eye socket sounds good to people supporting DW. In the heat of the moment, I'm not sure how much of a difference there is between that and some less severe injury.

Supporting me? Have I taken a position? Haven't I raised the possibility that even if things had happened how the Officer's proxy (the wife's friends brother's cousin's version)relates that the Officer may have used poor tactics, and that the killing may have still been avoidable?I have definitely come to no conclusions yet as the information is far to sketchy for anything but wild speculation. Right now we have a litmus test for attitudes. Eventually we may have some facts to discuss.

Sorry. DW=Darren Wilson

 

[lod01]

Show me on the streets where a black man grabs a cops gun? I'm tired of this narrative by cops and white folks believing it.

what a joke. Officer's guns are grabbed at all the time. Do you even know how to use google? You and tim should enroll in 'how to do a google search' class.

I'll lump you in with Tim as totally clueless.

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2014/08/09/southaven-office-shooting/13824703/

Or are you simply narrowing it down to 'must be on a street'. I'll give that one 2

 

[jon_mx]

Christo, are you saying you have no issue with the handling of this and you believe the officer acted appropriately in the moment and after the shooting occurred?

I don't know what happened.

The Christotm cop-out

In all fairness, the pilot forums usually do not dive into such matters.

 

[matttyl]

Officer Down Memorial Page lists 30 officers killed by a shooting in the line of duty in 2013.

Wiki lists 313 people that police officers killed in 2013.

Are those really the same thing? I'm asking because I don't know. Is the first only a listing of cops killed by a firearm (not by stabbing, auto accidents, getting beaten, whatever) - and the 2nd one is for all deaths no matter the cause? I ask because two officers in my county alone died in auto accidents last year.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Christo, are you saying you have no issue with the handling of this and you believe the officer acted appropriately in the moment and after the shooting occurred?

I don't know what happened.

The Christotm cop-out

In all fairness, the pilot forums usually do not dive into such matters.