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Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (5 Viewers)

Widbil83 said:
"Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) called on President Barack Obama to declare martial law in Ferguson" :mellow:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/john-lewis-ferguson_n_5679033.html
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"First of all, Ferguson, Missouri, is part of the United States of America. People have a right to protest. They have a right to dissent. They have a right to march in an orderly, peaceful, nonviolent fashion. And the press has a right to cover it."
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"So my own feeling, right now, is that President Obama should use the authority of his office to declare martial law. Federalize the Missouri National Guard to protect people as they protest,"
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I don't think he knows what martial law means.

 
 
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TheIronSheik said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Premier said:
Missouri joined the SEC and immediately picked up some of their habits SMH
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Fyi Detroit 1967.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=detroit+riots&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=5F596BA122F3458AC0D96AAA331E1077A99FA5C6&selectedIndex=2

http://www.jimhubbardphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/DetRiots67-15_8-e1276201680867.jpg

Big 10 there I believe.

L.A. 1965:

http://sophrosyne.radical.r30.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Watts-Riots.jpg

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=watts+riots&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=AAC2BA55B08D2FFB02FB04D29B07E39A3F313417&selectedIndex=7

Pac-12 in full swing.
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Wow. Detroit was a craphole back then. Glad to see they recovered nicely.
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Yeah, it's not as if nightsticks and tear gas is a new invention in crowd control...

 
 
mcintyre1 said:
Unless we're forced to interact with disparate populations and actively realize that those people are, at a base level, no different from us, we will continue to believe that they are.
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Does the current state of Ferguson, MO which is 67% black and 29% white support the oft stated, acadamia driven cliche that integration will lessen racist attitudes? Presumably there would be considerable interaction between blacks and whites in Ferguson given those numbers. Yet we're seeing what appears to be a heavy handed response by the white police to the black population, and we're seeing on social media some members of the black population saying they should take the rioting to the white neighborhoods of Ferguson.

I posted the below comment earlier in the thread in response to another poster who stated that cliche:

Gary Coal Man said:
Statistics don't support the notion that significant racial interaction creates a more liberal view on race among whites. States with the highest percentage of whites who identify as Liberal and have more liberal vies on race include the New England states, Wisconsin and Minnesota. These states have a low percentage of black citizens (and minority residents in general). Meanwhile, the states with the highest percentage of whites who identify as Conservative and have more conservative views on race are the Southern states. Southern states have the highest percentage of black residents. We see a similar dynamic along the border states where white residents in the states with the highest percentage of Hispanic residents tend to be Conservative with more conservative views on race.
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Now let's take it a step further.

Pre-Civil Rights movement, which group had more interaction with black people -- Southern whites or Northern whites? Southern Whites had far more interaction with black people than Northern whites (albeit there wasn't integration in the South), yet it was Southern whites that expressed a more racist attitude than Northern whites.

Now let's take it abroad.

Look at Iraq at this moment and any other nation where colonial powers forced different people to live together (whether it be racial, religious, ethnic, or cultural differences). Those nations are often filled conflict between differing groups.

The reality is that for most people out of sight is out of mind. Most people won't hold negative thoughts about people they don't interact with and thus don't think about. They certainly can't have conflict with those differing people because they're not in contact with them. Interaction certainly doesn't have to result in conflict, but interaction is a necessary ingredient for conflict.

So while it's true that interaction can make different group aware of the similarites that they share, interaction can also make different groups aware of the differences between them. Humans tend to remember and focus on the negative more than the positive.

 
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TheIronSheik said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Premier said:
Missouri joined the SEC and immediately picked up some of their habits SMH
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Fyi Detroit 1967.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=detroit+riots&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=5F596BA122F3458AC0D96AAA331E1077A99FA5C6&selectedIndex=2

http://www.jimhubbardphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/DetRiots67-15_8-e1276201680867.jpg

Big 10 there I believe.

L.A. 1965:

http://sophrosyne.radical.r30.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Watts-Riots.jpg

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=watts+riots&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=AAC2BA55B08D2FFB02FB04D29B07E39A3F313417&selectedIndex=7

Pac-12 in full swing.
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Wow. Detroit was a craphole back then. Glad to see they recovered nicely.
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You're a craphole!

 
Gary Coal Man said:
mcintyre1 said:
Unless we're forced to interact with disparate populations and actively realize that those people are, at a base level, no different from us, we will continue to believe that they are.
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Does the current state of Ferguson, MO which is 67% black and 29% white support the oft stated, acadamia driven cliche that integration will lessen racist attitudes? Presumably there would be considerable interaction between blacks and whites in Ferguson given those numbers. Yet we're seeing what appears to be a heavy handed response by the white police to the black population, and we're seeing on social media some members of the black population saying they should take the rioting to the white neighborhoods of Ferguson.
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I'd say you answered your own question.

Edit: To expand on that, simply living near each other doesn't imply any kind of integration or positive interaction.

 
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Gary Coal Man said:
mcintyre1 said:
Unless we're forced to interact with disparate populations and actively realize that those people are, at a base level, no different from us, we will continue to believe that they are.
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Does the current state of Ferguson, MO which is 67% black and 29% white support the oft stated, acadamia driven cliche that integration will lessen racist attitudes? Presumably there would be considerable interaction between blacks and whites in Ferguson given those numbers. Yet we're seeing what appears to be a heavy handed response by the white police to the black population, and we're seeing on social media some members of the black population saying they should take the rioting to the white neighborhoods of Ferguson.

I posted the below comment earlier in the thread in response to another poster who stated that cliche:

Gary Coal Man said:
Statistics don't support the notion that significant racial interaction creates a more liberal view on race among whites. States with the highest percentage of whites who identify as Liberal and have more liberal vies on race include the New England states, Wisconsin and Minnesota. These states have a low percentage of black citizens (and minority residents in general). Meanwhile, the states with the highest percentage of whites who identify as Conservative and have more conservative views on race are the Southern states. Southern states have the highest percentage of black residents. We see a similar dynamic along the border states where white residents in the states with the highest percentage of Hispanic residents tend to be Conservative with more conservative views on race.
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Excuse me - you misstated what I said.

What I said was that the cop did not lack for racial interaction. Gunz had said that the root of racism (and by implication this incident) was the fear or being "scared" of other races.

I further made the point that ideology has absolutely zero to do with racism or fear of another race/ethnicity.

People who interact inter-racially do - in my experience and observation - have less fear of other races/ethnicities. That's just a personal observation.

As I explained before the cop's actions were almost certainly not rooted in fear but other factors, power, control, stemming from the city's institutions. Race plays a role in that but racial "fear" is not the cause there IMO.

And I also raised this - in a city that is 2/3's black, why is there a white mayor, city manager and police chief? What happened in elections? Where is the elected black political leadership in Ferguson?

 
Gary Coal Man said:
mcintyre1 said:
Unless we're forced to interact with disparate populations and actively realize that those people are, at a base level, no different from us, we will continue to believe that they are.
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Does the current state of Ferguson, MO which is 67% black and 29% white support the oft stated, acadamia driven cliche that integration will lessen racist attitudes? Presumably there would be considerable interaction between blacks and whites in Ferguson given those numbers. Yet we're seeing what appears to be a heavy handed response by the white police to the black population, and we're seeing on social media some members of the black population saying they should take the rioting to the white neighborhoods of Ferguson.

I posted the below comment earlier in the thread in response to another poster who stated that cliche:

Gary Coal Man said:
Statistics don't support the notion that significant racial interaction creates a more liberal view on race among whites. States with the highest percentage of whites who identify as Liberal and have more liberal vies on race include the New England states, Wisconsin and Minnesota. These states have a low percentage of black citizens (and minority residents in general). Meanwhile, the states with the highest percentage of whites who identify as Conservative and have more conservative views on race are the Southern states. Southern states have the highest percentage of black residents. We see a similar dynamic along the border states where white residents in the states with the highest percentage of Hispanic residents tend to be Conservative with more conservative views on race.
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Now let's take it a step further.

Pre-Civil Rights movement, which group had more interaction with black people -- Southern whites or Northern whites? Southern Whites had far more interaction with black people than Northern whites (albeit there wasn't integration in the South), yet it was Southern whites that expressed a more racist attitude than Northern whites.

Now let's take it abroad.

Look at Iraq at this moment and any other nation where colonial powers forced different people to live together (whether it be racial, religious, ethnic, or cultural differences). Those nations are often filled conflict between differing groups.

The reality is that for most people out of sight is out of mind. Most people won't hold negative thoughts about people they don't interact with and thus don't think about. They certainly can't have conflict with those differing people because they're not in contact with them. Interaction certainly doesn't have to result in conflict, but interaction is a necessary ingredient for conflict.

So while it's true that interaction can make different group aware of the similarites that they share, interaction can also make different groups aware of the differences between them. Humans tend to remember and focus on the negative more than the positive.
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To go a bit deeper in response to your points, interaction alone doesn't do it, that much is obviously clear. Perhaps I should have said "equal interaction" or something similar. Let's take a look at your examples.

Yes, clearly conservative southerners in the 60's had more interactions with blacks than Northerners, that's obvious. But you can't ignore the political and social history of that interaction. They were not equal sides participating in society together, one was clearly and intentionally disadvantaged by the other. How could you ever expect that to produce endearment between the two sides?

We run in to the same problem in artificially constructed nations like Iraq. Yes interaction happened, but again, it isn't on an equal playing field. One particular faction was selected for support by the powers that forced everyone together, creating resentment and conflict among and between those favored and those dismissed.

 
Detroit — In light of clashes between citizens and police in Ferguson, Mo., Detroit police officials are taking steps to quell unrest in the city following an incident Wednesday in which an unruly crowd here had to be dispersed after officers shot a suspect.

A crowd gathered near Berkshire and Nottingham on Wednesday after Detroit police officers opened fire on a pair of men when they reportedly tried to run the officers down with their SUV. Police say the officers witnessed the men illegally purchasing a gun.

One of the suspects was shot in the arm and taken to an area hospital. The other man was arrested.

During Wednesday’s situation in Detroit, one man crossed the yellow police line and allegedly tried to attack an officer, who used pepper spray to stop him. The man was taken into custody.

Detroit Police Chief James Craig said he’s taking steps to calm citizens, considering what’s happening in Missouri.
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From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140814/METRO01/308140062#ixzz3APgUnUsy

 
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mcintyre1 said:
Gary Coal Man said:
mcintyre1 said:
Unless we're forced to interact with disparate populations and actively realize that those people are, at a base level, no different from us, we will continue to believe that they are.
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Does the current state of Ferguson, MO which is 67% black and 29% white support the oft stated, acadamia driven cliche that integration will lessen racist attitudes? Presumably there would be considerable interaction between blacks and whites in Ferguson given those numbers. Yet we're seeing what appears to be a heavy handed response by the white police to the black population, and we're seeing on social media some members of the black population saying they should take the rioting to the white neighborhoods of Ferguson.

I posted the below comment earlier in the thread in response to another poster who stated that cliche:

Gary Coal Man said:
Statistics don't support the notion that significant racial interaction creates a more liberal view on race among whites. States with the highest percentage of whites who identify as Liberal and have more liberal vies on race include the New England states, Wisconsin and Minnesota. These states have a low percentage of black citizens (and minority residents in general). Meanwhile, the states with the highest percentage of whites who identify as Conservative and have more conservative views on race are the Southern states. Southern states have the highest percentage of black residents. We see a similar dynamic along the border states where white residents in the states with the highest percentage of Hispanic residents tend to be Conservative with more conservative views on race.
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Now let's take it a step further.

Pre-Civil Rights movement, which group had more interaction with black people -- Southern whites or Northern whites? Southern Whites had far more interaction with black people than Northern whites (albeit there wasn't integration in the South), yet it was Southern whites that expressed a more racist attitude than Northern whites.

Now let's take it abroad.

Look at Iraq at this moment and any other nation where colonial powers forced different people to live together (whether it be racial, religious, ethnic, or cultural differences). Those nations are often filled conflict between differing groups.

The reality is that for most people out of sight is out of mind. Most people won't hold negative thoughts about people they don't interact with and thus don't think about. They certainly can't have conflict with those differing people because they're not in contact with them. Interaction certainly doesn't have to result in conflict, but interaction is a necessary ingredient for conflict.

So while it's true that interaction can make different group aware of the similarites that they share, interaction can also make different groups aware of the differences between them. Humans tend to remember and focus on the negative more than the positive.
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To go a bit deeper in response to your points, interaction alone doesn't do it, that much is obviously clear. Perhaps I should have said "equal interaction" or something similar. Let's take a look at your examples.

Yes, clearly conservative southerners in the 60's had more interactions with blacks than Northerners, that's obvious. But you can't ignore the political and social history of that interaction. They were not equal sides participating in society together, one was clearly and intentionally disadvantaged by the other. How could you ever expect that to produce endearment between the two sides?

We run in to the same problem in artificially constructed nations like Iraq. Yes interaction happened, but again, it isn't on an equal playing field. One particular faction was selected for support by the powers that forced everyone together, creating resentment and conflict among and between those favored and those dismissed.
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Where are you going with this?

 
http://www.theonion.com/articles/tips-for-being-an-unarmed-black-teen,36697/

With riots raging in Ferguson, Missouri following the shooting death by police of an unarmed African-American youth, the nation has turned its eyes toward police brutality, social injustice, and the continuing crisis of race relations throughout the U.S. Here are The Onion’s tips for being an unarmed black teen in America:

  • Shy away from dangerous, heavily policed areas.
  • Avoid swaggering or any other confident behavior that suggests you are not completely subjugated.
  • Be sure not to pick up any object that could be perceived by a police officer as a firearm, such as a cell phone, a food item, or nothing.
  • Explain in clear and logical terms that you do not enjoy being shot, and would prefer that it not happen.
  • Don’t let society stereotype you as a petty criminal. Remember that you can be seen as so much more, from an armed robbery suspect, to a rape suspect, to a murder suspect.
  • Try to see it from a police officer’s point of view: You may be unarmed, but you’re also black.
  • Avoid wearing clothing associated with the gang lifestyle, such as shirts and pants.
  • Revel in the fact that by simply existing, you exert a threatening presence over the nation’s police force.
  • Be as polite and straightforward as possible when police officers are kicking the #### out of you.
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AhrnCityPahnder said:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/tips-for-being-an-unarmed-black-teen,36697/

With riots raging in Ferguson, Missouri following the shooting death by police of an unarmed African-American youth, the nation has turned its eyes toward police brutality, social injustice, and the continuing crisis of race relations throughout the U.S. Here are The Onion’s tips for being an unarmed black teen in America:

  • Shy away from dangerous, heavily policed areas.
  • Avoid swaggering or any other confident behavior that suggests you are not completely subjugated.
  • Be sure not to pick up any object that could be perceived by a police officer as a firearm, such as a cell phone, a food item, or nothing.
  • Explain in clear and logical terms that you do not enjoy being shot, and would prefer that it not happen.
  • Don’t let society stereotype you as a petty criminal. Remember that you can be seen as so much more, from an armed robbery suspect, to a rape suspect, to a murder suspect.
  • Try to see it from a police officer’s point of view: You may be unarmed, but you’re also black.
  • Avoid wearing clothing associated with the gang lifestyle, such as shirts and pants.
  • Revel in the fact that by simply existing, you exert a threatening presence over the nation’s police force.
  • Be as polite and straightforward as possible when police officers are kicking the #### out of you.
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Nailed it!! Love The Onion.

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Doctor Detroit said:
The militarization of police forces is part reality, part perception, but is definitely ingrained of the psyche of the public at the moment.
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What part of it isn't reality?
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Bump for Dr D.
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Because it doesn't apply to most of the country's police departments. Tactically only a small number of police departments actually have to use military style deployment of forces, but those departments obviously are getting a lot of press.

I thought this was a good perspective on the issue.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
AhrnCityPahnder said:
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Doctor Detroit said:
The militarization of police forces is part reality, part perception, but is definitely ingrained of the psyche of the public at the moment.
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What part of it isn't reality?
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Bump for Dr D.
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Because it doesn't apply to most of the country's police departments. Tactically only a small number of police departments actually have to use military style deployment of forces, but those departments obviously are getting a lot of press.

I thought this was a good perspective on the issue.
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I don't think the average person who views this issue as a concern is worried that Barney Fife is going to deliver his next eviction notice via a Stealth Bomber.

I guess you can say percentage wise it's a minority, but I find it odd to need to make that distinction. It's also truthful to say that the majority of Catholic priests never molested anyone. The larger picture suggests that it's enough of a widespread problem that it needs to be addressed.

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Doctor Detroit said:
AhrnCityPahnder said:
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Doctor Detroit said:
The militarization of police forces is part reality, part perception, but is definitely ingrained of the psyche of the public at the moment.
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What part of it isn't reality?
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Bump for Dr D.
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Because it doesn't apply to most of the country's police departments. Tactically only a small number of police departments actually have to use military style deployment of forces, but those departments obviously are getting a lot of press.

I thought this was a good perspective on the issue.
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I don't think the average person who views this issue as a concern is worried that Barney Fife is going to deliver his next eviction notice via a Stealth Bomber.

I guess you can say percentage wise it's a minority, but I find it odd to need to make that distinction. It's also truthful to say that the majority of Catholic priests never molested anyone. The larger picture suggests that it's enough of a widespread problem that it needs to be addressed.
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That's fair

 
I support the parents of the child who was gunned down 100%. They pleaded for no looting and wanted peaceful protests which I wish the good folks in those neighborhoods had headed their advice. Now we have looting and it is fair to ask why that guy needs hubcaps/rims in order to protest.

But I wanted to also point out the use of the word healing. The police chief used it immediately following the incident and then Obama was saying it today, absolutely idiotic in every sense of how they mean it. HEALING? (Shoots the bird) This is a time for justice. healing begins after JUSTICE!!! And so far this story smells to high heaven so don't sit there and try to run crowd control with that so insincere time of healing BS, shove it where the sun don't shine.

These people should be angry and they should be out in riot numbers walking in and peacefully sitting in and making life uncomfortable for the folks in charge until this police officer is suspended, badge pulled, and given a long leave of absence until we get to the bottom of it. Perhaps book him while you are at it and let him learn the true meaning of innocent until proven guilty. If he did nothing wrong then he will surely have the charges dropped. His personal legal rights at the moment need to take a slight back seat to the mass chaos he has unleashed. Every report says this kid who was off to college next week was trying to surrender but as usual the testosterone and feeling of invincibility they feel by being given the right to take away everyone else's rights makes for a scary mix.

I don't want to see businesses needlessly looted but this should not be brushed over and folks shouldn't be just going about their business, it's serious and things need to change. One of these days, the combination of police stepping over their jurisdiction and then social media broadcasting it will incite a riot in one of these bigger cities like we saw in Los Angeles during the Rodney King fiasco. At some point, the dam is gonna break.

 
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Bucky86 said:
So did anonymous get it wrong, or is the SLPD lying?
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I'm not sure we know. Anonymous named a guy. SLPD says it's not him but won't say who did it.

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CNN's Julian Cummings reporting that police will release name of the officer who shot Michael Brown tomorrow.
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I watched parts of a 90 minute livefeed last night and kept thinking how different it was than the confrontation at the Bundy ranch. At the Bundy ranch both sides were armed, fairly far apart, things were peaceful, and eventually the armed protestors moved towards the police. The police withdrew to prevent violence. In Ferguson the police were armed and the protestors were not, they were fairly far apart, things were peaceful, and the police first set off the hideous noise "weapons" and then very slowly advanced in vehicles firing rubber bullets and wooden bullets at the crowd. They instigated violence. There's a decent amount of information on it here: http://boingboing.net/2014/08/13/ferguson-protesters-hold-peac.html

No wonder the local cops were waved off today. They seemed to do everything to make the situation worse.

Today the Missouri Highway Patrol seem to be doing everything right in order to calm things down. There's a good look at some of it here: https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery

immediate change in police tone (march is still early) now that highway patrol overseeing things
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Cpt. Johnson of Highway Patrol hugging residents as they pass during march. "I grew up here!" he notes.
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"When I see a young lady cry because of fear of this uniform, that's a problem. We need to solve that" - Cpt. Johnson
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"I've assigned all police assigned to this detail to take their gas masks off," - Cpt. Johnson
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"I'm not afraid to be in this crowd today, that's why I walk up front (in the march)" - Cpt. Johnson "hopefully they'll be some healing"
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Johnson: will not tolerating looting, also won't tolerate "citizens not having ability to speak their minds, having...rights violated"
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Good job.

 
Local police units were still helping to patrol Ferguson, but under a new command. The changes were obvious.

Captain Johnson, walking through the streets on Thursday, was approached by Karen Wood, who had been clutching a bright green sign against police brutality. “Do you have a minute to at least talk to, you know, a parent?” Ms. Wood asked.

The captain, a veteran law enforcement officer assigned to oversee security here, stopped. As sweat stained his blue uniform, he clasped Ms. Wood’s right hand and stood, for several minutes, listening to her story.

“Our youth are out here without guidance, without leadership,” Ms. Wood told Captain Johnson. “It’s important that they know there is an order.”

When Ms. Wood finished, Captain Johnson patted her right shoulder and said softly: “I thank you. I thank you for your passion, and we’re going to get better.”

He then joined a group of passing protesters, marching with them as his eyes scanned the roadway. “I know a lot of them,” he said. “Our police department, we have to be reflective of our community, and that’s why we’re all out here.”

Jessica Daniel, who was marching with her young children, said she had listened to speeches by Senator McCaskill and Governor Nixon and perceived a change. “The whole tone just turned around,” she said. “Now I feel like they are letting us know they think it’s tragic, too. It’s a beautiful thing.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/us/ferguson-missouri-police-shooting.html

 
jonessed said:
mcintyre1 said:
Gary Coal Man said:
mcintyre1 said:
Unless we're forced to interact with disparate populations and actively realize that those people are, at a base level, no different from us, we will continue to believe that they are.
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Does the current state of Ferguson, MO which is 67% black and 29% white support the oft stated, acadamia driven cliche that integration will lessen racist attitudes? Presumably there would be considerable interaction between blacks and whites in Ferguson given those numbers. Yet we're seeing what appears to be a heavy handed response by the white police to the black population, and we're seeing on social media some members of the black population saying they should take the rioting to the white neighborhoods of Ferguson.

I posted the below comment earlier in the thread in response to another poster who stated that cliche:

Gary Coal Man said:
Statistics don't support the notion that significant racial interaction creates a more liberal view on race among whites. States with the highest percentage of whites who identify as Liberal and have more liberal vies on race include the New England states, Wisconsin and Minnesota. These states have a low percentage of black citizens (and minority residents in general). Meanwhile, the states with the highest percentage of whites who identify as Conservative and have more conservative views on race are the Southern states. Southern states have the highest percentage of black residents. We see a similar dynamic along the border states where white residents in the states with the highest percentage of Hispanic residents tend to be Conservative with more conservative views on race.
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Now let's take it a step further.

Pre-Civil Rights movement, which group had more interaction with black people -- Southern whites or Northern whites? Southern Whites had far more interaction with black people than Northern whites (albeit there wasn't integration in the South), yet it was Southern whites that expressed a more racist attitude than Northern whites.

Now let's take it abroad.

Look at Iraq at this moment and any other nation where colonial powers forced different people to live together (whether it be racial, religious, ethnic, or cultural differences). Those nations are often filled conflict between differing groups.

The reality is that for most people out of sight is out of mind. Most people won't hold negative thoughts about people they don't interact with and thus don't think about. They certainly can't have conflict with those differing people because they're not in contact with them. Interaction certainly doesn't have to result in conflict, but interaction is a necessary ingredient for conflict.

So while it's true that interaction can make different group aware of the similarites that they share, interaction can also make different groups aware of the differences between them. Humans tend to remember and focus on the negative more than the positive.
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To go a bit deeper in response to your points, interaction alone doesn't do it, that much is obviously clear. Perhaps I should have said "equal interaction" or something similar. Let's take a look at your examples.

Yes, clearly conservative southerners in the 60's had more interactions with blacks than Northerners, that's obvious. But you can't ignore the political and social history of that interaction. They were not equal sides participating in society together, one was clearly and intentionally disadvantaged by the other. How could you ever expect that to produce endearment between the two sides?

We run in to the same problem in artificially constructed nations like Iraq. Yes interaction happened, but again, it isn't on an equal playing field. One particular faction was selected for support by the powers that forced everyone together, creating resentment and conflict among and between those favored and those dismissed.
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Where are you going with this?
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Second witness to shooting.

Tiffany Mitchell, 27, said she did not see what led up to the shooting, but said she arrived right before the fatal shots were fired.

“As I was coming around, I heard the tires squeaking on the truck, and as I get closer, I see them tussling through the window. The kid was pulling off and the cop was pulling in,” Mitchell said.

Mitchell told News 4 she saw a door closed on a police car. An officer was inside and Brown, Jr. was on the outside. She said the two were arm wrestling through the car window. Mitchell said she then tried to pull out her phone to record. Shots then rang out.

“It just didn’t look right for them to be arm wrestling,” Mitchell said. “The first gun shot came from the window, so I just started getting out of the way.”

According to Mitchell, Brown, Jr, began to run away after the first shot was fired.

“After the shot, the kid just breaks away. The cop follows him, kept shooting, the kid’s body jerked as if he was hit. After his body jerked he turns around, puts his hands up, and the cop continues to walk up on him and continues to shoot until he goes all the way down,” Mitchell said.
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http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Another-witness-to-Michael-Brown-Jr-shooting-speaks-to-News-4-271139501.html

 
"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.


Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

Mitchell also said she only saw one officer involved in the incident, and described him as a "white male, kind of tall, not too big."

Mitchell said she received no pressure to change her story from detectives who on the case, but said the cops that arrived at the scene "were very rude" to bystanders and "didn't want to tell" the public what had happened.

"They showed no kind of remorse for what happened to the kid at all," she said.

Mitchell's attorney said she gave a statement to the St. Louis County detectives right after the incident.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/tiffany-mitchell-michael-brown_n_5677003.html

 
Third witness

Tiffany Mitchell, who watched the shooting unfold, told CNN on Wednesday that the police's version of events - that Brown assaulted the officer and tried to grab his gun - was not true.

Brown did not enter the police vehicle, as authorities have claimed, but there appeared to be a struggle at the window, Ms Mitchell said.

It looked as if Michael was pushing off and the cop was trying to pull him in,' she told CNN.
Michael Brown pictured in January 2013. He was shot dead on Saturday by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri

'The cop shot a fire through the window. Michael breaks away and starts running away but the officer continued shooting.'

Ms Mitchell had gone to the Ferguson, Missouri neighborhood on Saturday to pick up an employee, Piaget Crenshaw, for work.

Ms Crenshaw, who lives in an apartment with a balcony overlooking the street, also witnessed the incident.

Before the shooting, it appeared that the 18-year-old and police officer were 'arm-wrestling', she told CNN.

Both women said that a shot was fired and that Brown started running away from the officer and the patrol vehicle.
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Ms Mitchell and Ms Crenshaw have given statements to St Louis County police who are handling the investigation.

The reports from the two women appeared to confirm an earlier eye-witness account from Brown's friend, Dorian Johnson, who was walking with the teenager when police approached them.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2725057/New-witnesses-claim-Michael-Brown-did-wrong-cop-shooting-Missouri.html

 
fatness said:
"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.


Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

Mitchell also said she only saw one officer involved in the incident, and described him as a "white male, kind of tall, not too big."

Mitchell said she received no pressure to change her story from detectives who on the case, but said the cops that arrived at the scene "were very rude" to bystanders and "didn't want to tell" the public what had happened.

"They showed no kind of remorse for what happened to the kid at all," she said.

Mitchell's attorney said she gave a statement to the St. Louis County detectives right after the incident.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/tiffany-mitchell-michael-brown_n_5677003.html
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She sounds like a credible witness, why does she need an attorney?

 
Three witnesses all contradict the police story.

Mr Johnson, 22, said that he and Brown were walking home from a store when the cop told them to get out of the street and 'get the f***' on to the sidewalk'.

Johnson said they kept walking after explaining to the officer they were almost home. The officer then pulled his truck in front of them and blocked the road, Johnson said.

The officer threw open the door which slammed closed again after bouncing off Brown, the friend said. It was then that the officer grabbed his friend by the neck.

Mr Johnson told MSNBC on Tuesday: 'The time frame was 60 seconds or less, it got out of hand really quickly.'

He said that the officer had drawn his gun by this time and threatened to shoot Michael.

'I seen the fire come out of the barrel,' he told the network. 'I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close.'

Johnson said the first time the officer fired, he and Brown got scared and ran away but he could already see that the teenager had blood coming down his shirt where he had been shot.

The 22-year-old ducked behind a car but Brown kept running.

'He shot again, and once my friend felt that shot, he turned around and put his hands in the air, and he started to get down,' Johnson said.

The 22-year-old said: '[brown] stopped, turned with his hands up and said ''I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!''

'But the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and fired several more shots.'
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The eye-witness said despite the teenager's protests, the officer shot again, hitting Brown and leaving him on the ground.

Mr Johnson told the TV station that he ran in terror to his apartment and vomited, before checking he had not been shot. He came out from his apartment to see his friend lying dead in the middle of the street.

'We wasn’t causing harm to nobody,' Johnson added. 'We had no weapons on us at all.'

The 22-year-old spoke to MSNBC on Tuesday alongside his attorney and former St Louis' mayor, Freeman Bosley Jr. The lawyer said on Tuesday that he had offered police the opportunity to interview his client about Saturday's tragic events but they initially declined. Mr Johnson was finally interviewed by the police on Wednesday.

Police have offered a different version of events of the altercation which led to the fatal shooting on Saturday. Authorities said that while the officer was exiting his car, he was physically assaulted by Brown and there was a struggle over the cop's weapon.
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First witness

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2725057/New-witnesses-claim-Michael-Brown-did-wrong-cop-shooting-Missouri.html

 
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