Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (4 Viewers)

[johnnycakes]

Thanks for posting that, Ramsay. I wasn't familiar with the decision, but I was fairly sure a warning had to be given: "Stop, or I'll shoot!", etc.

Dont forget the where feasible part, Tim.

 

[timschochet]

Thanks for posting that, Ramsay. I wasn't familiar with the decision, but I was fairly sure a warning had to be given: "Stop, or I'll shoot!", etc.

Dont forget the where feasible part, Tim.

Sure I won't. But according to the two eyewitnesses, Brown was at least 30 feet away when he was shot in the back. If that's true and if there was no warning, then it's cold-blooded murder, is it not?

 

[Fennis]

Gilbert Arenas weighs in.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/08/14/Gilbert-Arenas-Rips-Sharpton-Black-Community

Former Washington Wizards star Gilbert Arenas weighed in regarding the death of 18-year-old Mike Brown, which precipitated riots in Ferguson, Missouri. Noting Al Sharpton seeking to involve himself in the proceedings, Arenas took to Instagram to launch an attack on Sharpton, using racially insulting language and asserting that "the racism fight has never been #blackvswhite, it's always been #blackvsblack."

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[Politician Spock]

Thanks for posting that, Ramsay. I wasn't familiar with the decision, but I was fairly sure a warning had to be given: "Stop, or I'll shoot!", etc.

Dont forget the where feasible part, Tim.

Sure I won't. But according to the two eyewitnesses, Brown was at least 30 feet away when he was shot in the back. If that's true and if there was no warning, then it's cold-blooded murder, is it not?

Can some of the lawyers here distinguish for me the legal difference between "murder" and "cold-blooded murder". TIA!

 

[squistion]

Gilbert Arenas weighs in.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/08/14/Gilbert-Arenas-Rips-Sharpton-Black-Community

Former Washington Wizards star Gilbert Arenas weighed in regarding the death of 18-year-old Mike Brown, which precipitated riots in Ferguson, Missouri. Noting Al Sharpton seeking to involve himself in the proceedings, Arenas took to Instagram to launch an attack on Sharpton, using racially insulting language and asserting that "the racism fight has never been #blackvswhite, it's always been #blackvsblack."

Really. If it's always been, then the Jim Crow Laws and segregation were also about #blackvsblack, not #blackvswhite. A rather poor attempt at revisionist history.

 

[Guest]

Going back to the Supreme Court cases I cited earlier, it said an officer has the right to shoot a fleeing suspect if he has reasonable basis to believe the suspect was guilty of a felony.

Is shooting a cop a felony?

How about assault & battery of a police officer?

If either one of those is a potential felony, then according to the Supreme Court, the officer had the right to shoot to avoid letting him get away.

You are wrong about that and I would like to see that USSC case you think says cops can shoot fleeing felons.

Because if you think thats true, you think that a cop can shoot someone fleeing them who uses or owns six dildos (a felony in Texas under certain circumstances). You also think that cops can shoot someone fleeing them in Georgie who twice operates a raffle without registering it with the sheriff.

Use your head, please.

Woah! Where to do I sign up to fight this? Asking for a friend.

 

[whitem0nkey]

so will this event have an effect on changes to cameras on officers, and less army style equipment for local police.

 

[johnnycakes]

Thanks for posting that, Ramsay. I wasn't familiar with the decision, but I was fairly sure a warning had to be given: "Stop, or I'll shoot!", etc.

Dont forget the where feasible part, Tim.

Sure I won't. But according to the two eyewitnesses, Brown was at least 30 feet away when he was shot in the back. If that's true and if there was no warning, then it's cold-blooded murder, is it not?

The SC says the cop can shoot to prevent escape if he has probable cause to suspect the villian is guilty of a violent felony. Warning needed if feasible. Running away and already 30' away... Warning may not be feasible.

The felony occurred during the contact between the suspect and the officer.

 

[hagmania]

so will this event have an effect on changes to cameras on officers, and less army style equipment for local police.

lapel cameras IMO

 

[timschochet]

Thanks for posting that, Ramsay. I wasn't familiar with the decision, but I was fairly sure a warning had to be given: "Stop, or I'll shoot!", etc.

Dont forget the where feasible part, Tim.

Sure I won't. But according to the two eyewitnesses, Brown was at least 30 feet away when he was shot in the back. If that's true and if there was no warning, then it's cold-blooded murder, is it not?

The SC says the cop can shoot to prevent escape if he has probable cause to suspect the villian is guilty of a violent felony.Warning needed if feasible. Running away and already 30' away... Warning may not be feasible.

The felony occurred during the contact between the suspect and the officer.

If you're suggesting that the courts are going to rule that it's perfectly fine that he shot a guy in the back from 30 feet, without any warning, because he believed the guy committed a violent felony- I just can't buy that. It seems like you're really stretching the intent of the decision RHE quoted.

 

[jonessed]

Thanks for posting that, Ramsay. I wasn't familiar with the decision, but I was fairly sure a warning had to be given: "Stop, or I'll shoot!", etc.

Dont forget the where feasible part, Tim.

Sure I won't. But according to the two eyewitnesses, Brown was at least 30 feet away when he was shot in the back. If that's true and if there was no warning, then it's cold-blooded murder, is it not?

The witnesses said the officer warned Brown he was going to shoot before the first shot. I don't know what the procedure is for consecutive shots or if the pause means he needs to warn him again.

 

[lod01]

Gilbert Arenas weighs in.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/08/14/Gilbert-Arenas-Rips-Sharpton-Black-Community

Former Washington Wizards star Gilbert Arenas weighed in regarding the death of 18-year-old Mike Brown, which precipitated riots in Ferguson, Missouri. Noting Al Sharpton seeking to involve himself in the proceedings, Arenas took to Instagram to launch an attack on Sharpton, using racially insulting language and asserting that "the racism fight has never been #blackvswhite, it's always been #blackvsblack."

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Bravo Gilbert !

Was going to ask about this but he confirmed it so I don't need to: sharpton has not helped one situation he has protested at

 

[Henry Ford]

Going back to the Supreme Court cases I cited earlier, it said an officer has the right to shoot a fleeing suspect if he has reasonable basis to believe the suspect was guilty of a felony.

Is shooting a cop a felony?

How about assault & battery of a police officer?

If either one of those is a potential felony, then according to the Supreme Court, the officer had the right to shoot to avoid letting him get away.

When was the cop shot?

And simple assault on an officer is a misdemeanor in Missouri.

 

[msommer]

Thanks for posting that, Ramsay. I wasn't familiar with the decision, but I was fairly sure a warning had to be given: "Stop, or I'll shoot!", etc.

Dont forget the where feasible part, Tim.

Sure I won't. But according to the two eyewitnesses, Brown was at least 30 feet away when he was shot in the back. If that's true and if there was no warning, then it's cold-blooded murder, is it not?

The SC says the cop can shoot to prevent escape if he has probable cause to suspect the villian is guilty of a violent felony.Warning needed if feasible. Running away and already 30' away... Warning may not be feasible.

The felony occurred during the contact between the suspect and the officer.

How many times can the cop hit the suspect?

 

[metoo]

The only reason I'm having a hard time believing it was intentional is that it's somehow 10X stupider to do it intentionally than out of incompetence.

Uh...

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, Coop. I mean, I can understand why some elements (like "The Young Conservatives" on Twitter) would want to post the pictures to show the victim was some type of thug who "deserved it." There's no consequences for them. The people who are turned off by that aren't their audience anyway.

For the police, there are potentially huge consequences. At the very least, this department is facing a 1983 suit. They're probably facing a DOJ investigation. Four days in, even Barney Fife would know that there's absolutely no possibility of a cover-up now. Or at least that there's no possibility of such an amateurish cover-up. Anything that makes this look less like a one-off act and more like a pattern or procedure of the department increases the department's legal vulnerability exponentially. At the very least, he's given whoever handles the civil case a nice hook into a theory of municipal liability.

You're saying this as a (relatively) dispassionate outside observer. While what you're saying seems like common sense, the police chief apparently released the video of Brown robbing a convenience store with the hope that no one would ask whether or not that's the reason Brown was initially stopped by the police. I don't think the Ferguson PD is approaching this too rationally.

The town presumably has a lawyer. The department probably has a lawyer. I'm not even a very good lawyer, but on the fourth day of this, I wouldn't let the chief order a chicken sandwich without clearing it with me.

I saw this interview yesterday and it told me all I needed to know about the police chief. Skip to the 10 minute mark and watch the chief fall apart when a reporter drops the officer's name(Darren).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJoEjLlK_54

 

[Greggity]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

 

[Widbil83]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

That poor Indian dude looked like he was about to #### his pants.

 

[Greggity]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

That poor Indian dude looked like he was about to #### his pants.

Well, if you don't want any possibility of getting killed by the police, you might want to avoid the life of crime action. Jus sayin....

 

[eurotrashman]

Oh good. The idiots are back.

 

[Greggity]

Oh good. The idiots are back.

Idiots?? I saw it on the news! Kid was walking through that quickie mart like he owned the place. I can only imagine how "cooperative" he was with the cop.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Going back to the Supreme Court cases I cited earlier, it said an officer has the right to shoot a fleeing suspect if he has reasonable basis to believe the suspect was guilty of a felony.

Is shooting a cop a felony?

How about assault & battery of a police officer?

If either one of those is a potential felony, then according to the Supreme Court, the officer had the right to shoot to avoid letting him get away.

When was the cop shot?And simple assault on an officer is a misdemeanor in Missouri.

His buddy said once the cop backed up and put his car in park, he tried to open his door, quite violently (per friend) such that it bounced off Brown and he couldn't immediately get out. Then Brown supposedly backed up and the officer got out.At this point, multiple witnesses claim the officer immediately attacked Brown by putting him in a chokehold and tried to get him in his car. I've read Brown was a large man and he did put up a fight once the officer had him in the chokehold. He supposedly kept grabbing the police car to avoid being put inside it. Per the accounts, as the two were tangled up, the officer managed to pull his gun and get off a contact shot. After hearing the shot, the witnesses said Brown was still in the officers chokehold, but broke free within a few seconds and took off running.

Stop. We could end it here. There is definitely fault on the officer. The police can't just jump out of their car and put you in a chokehold or throw you to the ground.

From there, everyone seems to agree the officer chased after Brown. Put another bullet somewhere in him from behind. Brown didn't go, but stopped, turned around and put his hands pleading "please stop shooting". The cop then shot him an unknown number of times in the head and chest.

It's a ####ed up mess if that's what really happened. No rule cops can't be sociopaths.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Isn't the eyewitness accounts different? Referring back to the Tony Stewart situation, there were hundreds of eyewitness at the race track and video of what happened, yet we have no clear answers. Would Browns friend tell the truth if Brown really reached for the cops gun?

The autopsy won't lie. Unless the coroner is the police chief's brother-in-law.

The non-cop eyewitness accounts are all pretty much the same from the points where they coincide chronologically.

The autopsy wont tell us if the kid reached for the gun, but every non-cop eyewitness says that Brown was pulling away from the cop while the cop pulled him into the car window, so it doesnt sound like the kid was leaning into the car window trying to reach for the gun. Unless the cop's report is really that once he said "I will shoot" and pulled the gun and lifted to point it out the car window at Brown from a foot away that Brown tried to reach for it. But that sounds very self serving and if that happened Brown could have been trying to knock it away or something, if he reached out toward the cop at all, which the eyewitnesses say he did not.

The autopsy will tell us how many bullets hit Brown, how many hit him in the front or back. For me, this is more important than eyewitness accounts. Shooting someone multiple times in the back (even if he reached for your gun) is not justifiable.

For me that will be part of the story. Additionally I will want to know how many bullets were fired and shell casings were recovered, and from where in relation to the officer's car (truck) and the body. I am also interested in any blood trail(s) and any blood splatter. I don't presume the officer hit the deceased with each shot, nor that the witnesses were 100% accurate. If the Officer fired at all on the fleeing man, or shot at an apparently unarmed man more than 15 or so feet away I am distressed and want to see charges go to a grand jury, at the least.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Honest to god question. Can a person claim, and have any legal grounds, for self defense o stand your ground if assaulted by a police officer and you do anything aside from submitting 100%.

Say I get pulled over, cop gets me out of my car, tells me "hands on the hood" and beats me with his baton. I manage to wrestle it away, get on a shot to give myself time and run away. What happens then?

 

[PitbullTD]

Honest to god question. Can a person claim, and have any legal grounds, for self defense o stand your ground if assaulted by a police officer and you do anything aside from submitting 100%.

Say I get pulled over, cop gets me out of my car, tells me "hands on the hood" and beats me with his baton. I manage to wrestle it away, get on a shot to give myself time and run away. What happens then?

I'd be interested in a situation where that defense would work. In my opinion(not a lawyer) I would think you'd have grounds if the cop car had a dash cam. If it didn't I'm sure it'd be a he said she said and you'd be screwed(In my experience).

Sent the question to my pops who is a lawyer. Waiting on his reply.

/Edit: I'm sure you'd have grounds either way, whether it would be a provable defense would entirely depend on evidence other than he said she said with you against a cop. Which, in my experience means you lose.

 

[Otis]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.

Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

 

[Otis]

Going back to the Supreme Court cases I cited earlier, it said an officer has the right to shoot a fleeing suspect if he has reasonable basis to believe the suspect was guilty of a felony.

Is shooting a cop a felony?

How about assault & battery of a police officer?

If either one of those is a potential felony, then according to the Supreme Court, the officer had the right to shoot to avoid letting him get away.

When was the cop shot?And simple assault on an officer is a misdemeanor in Missouri.

His buddy said once the cop backed up and put his car in park, he tried to open his door, quite violently (per friend) such that it bounced off Brown and he couldn't immediately get out. Then Brown supposedly backed up and the officer got out.At this point, multiple witnesses claim the officer immediately attacked Brown by putting him in a chokehold and tried to get him in his car. I've read Brown was a large man and he did put up a fight once the officer had him in the chokehold. He supposedly kept grabbing the police car to avoid being put inside it. Per the accounts, as the two were tangled up, the officer managed to pull his gun and get off a contact shot. After hearing the shot, the witnesses said Brown was still in the officers chokehold, but broke free within a few seconds and took off running.

Stop. We could end it here. There is definitely fault on the officer. The police can't just jump out of their car and put you in a chokehold or throw you to the ground.

From there, everyone seems to agree the officer chased after Brown. Put another bullet somewhere in him from behind. Brown didn't go, but stopped, turned around and put his hands pleading "please stop shooting". The cop then shot him an unknown number of times in the head and chest.

It's a ####ed up mess if that's what really happened. No rule cops can't be sociopaths.

Isn't it possible that the friend, who was at the store watching Brown rough up the clerks not long before, isn't being completely honest?

 

[Greggity]

Going back to the Supreme Court cases I cited earlier, it said an officer has the right to shoot a fleeing suspect if he has reasonable basis to believe the suspect was guilty of a felony.

Is shooting a cop a felony?

How about assault & battery of a police officer?

If either one of those is a potential felony, then according to the Supreme Court, the officer had the right to shoot to avoid letting him get away.

When was the cop shot?And simple assault on an officer is a misdemeanor in Missouri.

His buddy said once the cop backed up and put his car in park, he tried to open his door, quite violently (per friend) such that it bounced off Brown and he couldn't immediately get out. Then Brown supposedly backed up and the officer got out.At this point, multiple witnesses claim the officer immediately attacked Brown by putting him in a chokehold and tried to get him in his car. I've read Brown was a large man and he did put up a fight once the officer had him in the chokehold. He supposedly kept grabbing the police car to avoid being put inside it. Per the accounts, as the two were tangled up, the officer managed to pull his gun and get off a contact shot. After hearing the shot, the witnesses said Brown was still in the officers chokehold, but broke free within a few seconds and took off running.

Stop. We could end it here. There is definitely fault on the officer. The police can't just jump out of their car and put you in a chokehold or throw you to the ground.

From there, everyone seems to agree the officer chased after Brown. Put another bullet somewhere in him from behind. Brown didn't go, but stopped, turned around and put his hands pleading "please stop shooting". The cop then shot him an unknown number of times in the head and chest.

It's a ####ed up mess if that's what really happened. No rule cops can't be sociopaths.

Isn't it possible that the friend, who was at the store watching Brown rough up the clerks not long before, isn't being completely honest?

Winnah!!

 

[Todd Andrews]

Going back to the Supreme Court cases I cited earlier, it said an officer has the right to shoot a fleeing suspect if he has reasonable basis to believe the suspect was guilty of a felony.

Is shooting a cop a felony?

How about assault & battery of a police officer?

If either one of those is a potential felony, then according to the Supreme Court, the officer had the right to shoot to avoid letting him get away.

You are wrong about that and I would like to see that USSC case you think says cops can shoot fleeing felons.

Because if you think thats true, you think that a cop can shoot someone fleeing them who uses or owns six dildos (a felony in Texas under certain circumstances). You also think that cops can shoot someone fleeing them in Georgie who twice operates a raffle without registering it with the sheriff.

Use your head, please.

Woah! Where to do I sign up to fight this? Asking for a friend.

I know right!!

I had no idea that meant cops could shoot me when I flee....with my six dildos flapping in the wind.

 

[Slapdash]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.

Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

 

[urbanhack]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.

Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

 

[Greggity]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Doesn't take a genius to figure the kind of cat the cop was dealing with after watching that video.....

 

[Slapdash]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Doesn't take a genius to figure the kind of cat the cop was dealing with after watching that video.....

Good thing he shot him several times then, amirite?

 

[Greggity]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Doesn't take a genius to figure the kind of cat the cop was dealing with after watching that video.....

Good thing he shot him several times then, amirite?

My money was on if not today then tomorrow. Kids like that don't last long. They either get killed or in jail.

 

[Otis]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Now I'm Peens because I can acknowledge he apparently wasn't a very nice kid? You're almost as bad as they are.

 

[Greggity]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Now I'm Peens because I can acknowledge he apparently wasn't a very nice kid? You're almost as bad as they are.

You aren't feeling the "guilt", get with the program otis...

 

[Slapdash]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Now I'm Peens because I can acknowledge he apparently wasn't a very nice kid? You're almost as bad as they are.

Apparently you suck at reading comprehension too

 

[Fennis]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Now I'm Peens because I can acknowledge he apparently wasn't a very nice kid? You're almost as bad as they are.

how often are you volunteering at homeless shelters?

 

[Slapdash]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Doesn't take a genius to figure the kind of cat the cop was dealing with after watching that video.....

Good thing he shot him several times then, amirite?

My money was on if not today then tomorrow. Kids like that don't last long. They either get killed or in jail.

Dickey Moe: See what I mean?

 

[Greggity]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Now I'm Peens because I can acknowledge he apparently wasn't a very nice kid? You're almost as bad as they are.

how often are you volunteering at homeless shelters?

I doubt quickie mart kid did much volunteering...

 

[Slapdash]

Greg always brings the entertainment at least

 

[Fennis]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Now I'm Peens because I can acknowledge he apparently wasn't a very nice kid? You're almost as bad as they are.

how often are you volunteering at homeless shelters?

I doubt quickie mart kid did much volunteering...

no idea, but that’s not my bar of what makes someone a good kid or not.

Neither is stealing a box of cigars.

I am willing to bet 95% of the people posting in here have committed as bad crimes as that guy when they were around 18 (drugs, driving 50 MPH+ over speed limit, drinking and driving, shoplifting, fighting, etc) all while not volunteering at the local homeless shelter.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Now I'm Peens because I can acknowledge he apparently wasn't a very nice kid? You're almost as bad as they are.

how often are you volunteering at homeless shelters?

I doubt quickie mart kid did much volunteering...

Regardless, he didn't deserve to die. Lots of people steal ####, I got a free train ride the other day because I didn't voluntarily offer the conductor my ticket.

 

[Greggity]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Now I'm Peens because I can acknowledge he apparently wasn't a very nice kid? You're almost as bad as they are.

how often are you volunteering at homeless shelters?

I doubt quickie mart kid did much volunteering...

no idea, but thats not my bar of what makes someone a good kid or not.

Neither is stealing a box of cigars.



I am willing to bet 95% of the people posting in here have committed as bad crimes when they were around 18 (drugs, driving 50 MPH+ over speed limit, drinking and driving, shoplifting, fighting, etc) all while not volunteering at the local homeless shelter.

Sorry bro. That kid looks like he has done a lot of that and had no intentions of stopping that life....

 

[Christo]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Now I'm Peens because I can acknowledge he apparently wasn't a very nice kid? You're almost as bad as they are.

how often are you volunteering at homeless shelters?

I doubt quickie mart kid did much volunteering...

no idea, but that’s not my bar of what makes someone a good kid or not.

Neither is stealing a box of cigars.

I am willing to bet 95% of the people posting in here have committed as bad crimes when they were around 18 (drugs, driving 50 MPH+ over speed limit, drinking and driving, shoplifting, fighting, etc) all while not volunteering at the local homeless shelter.

That'd be a good poll. How many FBGs have ever committed theft and then when confronted assaulted a guy half our size?

 

[Otis]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Now I'm Peens because I can acknowledge he apparently wasn't a very nice kid? You're almost as bad as they are.

how often are you volunteering at homeless shelters?

As often as I've assaulted store clerks and stolen their things. But that's not relevant to my point.

 

[Christo]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Now I'm Peens because I can acknowledge he apparently wasn't a very nice kid? You're almost as bad as they are.

how often are you volunteering at homeless shelters?

I doubt quickie mart kid did much volunteering...

Regardless, he didn't deserve to die. Lots of people steal ####, I got a free train ride the other day because I didn't voluntarily offer the conductor my ticket.

Did you assault him when he asked for it?

 

[Greggity]

Greg always brings the entertainment at least

Just keeping it real, blouses...

 

[Otis]

Great. Now it is time for everyone to come out of the woodwork and say he deserved to die because he was a criminal and probably was getting high. Just like Trayvon.

I don't think many people are saying that, but even as tgunz admitted, it appears with a possible theft involved, the context has changed at least somewhat. It's not as simple as "a rogue cop had it out for this kid."

Give it time for the Carolina Hustlers and Jojos of the world to show up.

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

That big kid didn't look too defenseless pushing that quickie mart guy around on the video....

Certainly didn't seem like the nice young man his mother and the community have been taking about all week.Honestly it's a shame he wasn't, because this just inflamed the race issues even more. But I guess odds are that the straight A student who volunteers at the homeless shelter on weekends doesn't seem to find his way into these kinds of situations much.

Glad you and Peens have it all figured out.

Now I'm Peens because I can acknowledge he apparently wasn't a very nice kid? You're almost as bad as they are.

how often are you volunteering at homeless shelters?

I doubt quickie mart kid did much volunteering...

no idea, but that’s not my bar of what makes someone a good kid or not.

Neither is stealing a box of cigars.

I am willing to bet 95% of the people posting in here have committed as bad crimes as that guy when they were around 18 (drugs, driving 50 MPH+ over speed limit, drinking and driving, shoplifting, fighting, etc) all while not volunteering at the local homeless shelter.

I think it's pretty crappy to assault and intimidate other people and steal their things, and I'd be really sad if 95% of you guys did that in your lifetime.

 

[Fennis]

That'd be a good poll. How many FBGs have ever committed theft and then when confronted assaulted a guy half our size?

I didn't say the exact same crime.

 

[Christo]

That'd be a good poll. How many FBGs have ever committed theft and then when confronted assaulted a guy half our size?

I didn't say the exact same crime.

Of course not. Your point would kind of fall apart if you did.