Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (7 Viewers)

[Loan Sharks]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

So if I show up at a protest wearing a "Legal Observer" hat I can't be harassed? Good to know a simple hat has such power.

Think of it like wearing a Red Cross uniform on a battlefield.

Yeah and it looks like a soldier told Florence Nightengale to move it, got sassy, a smack on the fanny and sent on her way,

SEND IN THE NATIONAL GUARD!!!

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Haha

 

[Loan Sharks]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

So if I show up at a protest wearing a "Legal Observer" hat I can't be harassed? Good to know a simple hat has such power.

Think of it like wearing a Red Cross uniform on a battlefield.

Cool. Where do I order one?

First you get into law school. Then you go a series of trainings on what to do as a Legal Observer, whether as a law student or a lawyer. Then you get assigned to a protest, before which the NLG notifies the police precinct that there will be Legal Observers in attendance. I think they give you the hat as you all head out to the protest.

I had no idea I had to go to law school to buy a sewing machine.

Oh #### that sewing machine. My league ordered hats from a company a few years back. I am changing my team name to the "Legal Observers" Changing my colors to neon green. I think a scales of justice as my logo will be a classy touch.

When I couple this with my clergy card,clergy pass and my press credential I will be unstoppable. I will never have to listen to cops again.

 

[Loan Sharks]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

I get that it is a big deal to lawyers. Pretty much confirms my initial reaction. Some cop who didn't know or didn't care about his green hat told him to move it and he refused to comply. They took him in and let him go. To me which is what I would expect if to happen if I entered a riot zone without a news crew van or something.

Let me guess this is a department conspiracy where they have been instructed to arrest all guys with green hats.

Let me guess all police departments are trained to recognize this baseball hat and some flatfoot missed it?

You do a lot of guessing.

The fact that you don't know what a Legal Observer is doesn't mean it isn't an important thing. They've been around in protests for over 45 years, documenting police actions.

And they do not have to comply with police requests, and all police are trained to recognize this designation?

So how is this a big deal? A cop asked a guy to disperse he refused, took him in and then let him go, right or wrong it what would you suggest for punishment?

Is a month suspension without pay.

Career ender?

written warning?

Put him behind a desk for a year?

You're very combative about this. Was the guy who arrested him related to you?

You are very evasive on the punishment parameters for violating the covenant of the neon green hat.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Ha ha ha?

 

[timschochet]

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-bunch-of-terrible-people-have-raised-over-130-000-fo-1625106827

Some of the comments by those contributing $50 or more to the Darren Wilson defense fund (so far, they've raised $140,000.):



the failed experiment called diversity.

Tim, if you're constantly arguing that white people continue to exhibit institutional racism which keeps minorities down then, in a way, aren't you also suggesting that multiculturalism has failed so far?

no to the contrary. I'm very optimistic about the future. These days racial stereotypes are limited mostly to older conservatives. The coming generations will lack the racism, sexism, and homophobia that still linger. Police are a different story however.

 

[StrikeS2k]

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-bunch-of-terrible-people-have-raised-over-130-000-fo-1625106827

Some of the comments by those contributing $50 or more to the Darren Wilson defense fund (so far, they've raised $140,000.):



the failed experiment called diversity.

Tim, if you're constantly arguing that white people continue to exhibit institutional racism which keeps minorities down then, in a way, aren't you also suggesting that multiculturalism has failed so far?

no to the contrary. I'm very optimistic about the future. These days racial stereotypes are limited mostly to older conservatives. The coming generations will lack the racism, sexism, and homophobia that still linger. Police are a different story however.

Yeah. I hear it's in the police academy training manual.

 

[mr roboto]

My Loan Shark is committed

 

[Loan Sharks]

My Loan Shark is committed

I'm all in on the Legal Observer hat this is exciting. I love collecting stuff like this.

 

[timschochet]

So any predictions how long it will take a Grand Jury to decide whether or not to indict Wilson? And will there be a special prosecutor?

What happens next?

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

My Loan Shark is committed

Yeah he's fighting the save the white man fight in 3 different threads now. Could do without the weak attempts at humor though, just doesn't wear well on a guy like him.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

My Loan Shark is committed

Yeah he's fighting the save the white man fight in 3 different threads now. Could do without the weak attempts at humor though, just doesn't wear well on a guy like him.

The humor is a veil. He and Strike had no idea what a Legal Observer was before they started chucking rocks.

 

[johnnycakes]

So any predictions how long it will take a Grand Jury to decide whether or not to indict Wilson? And will there be a special prosecutor?

What happens next?

I saw something that said it would be sometime in Octobah.

 

[Loan Sharks]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

So if I show up at a protest wearing a "Legal Observer" hat I can't be harassed? Good to know a simple hat has such power.

Think of it like wearing a Red Cross uniform on a battlefield.

Cool. Where do I order one?

First you get into law school. Then you go a series of trainings on what to do as a Legal Observer, whether as a law student or a lawyer. Then you get assigned to a protest, before which the NLG notifies the police precinct that there will be Legal Observers in attendance. I think they give you the hat as you all head out to the protest.

Are you saying that if I go out and buy a hat that says "legal observer" on it, without following the steps you outlined above, that I'm breaking a law? If not, why would I go through all that trouble when I can simply buy a hat?

I just sent a email to the Arizona Lawyers Guild. Anyone can be a legal observer. There is a manual and training. $99 bucks.

The hat may be worth it.

 

[Loan Sharks]

My Loan Shark is committed

Yeah he's fighting the save the white man fight in 3 different threads now. Could do without the weak attempts at humor though, just doesn't wear well on a guy like him.

The humor is a veil. He and Strike had no idea what a Legal Observer was before they started chucking rocks.

I never said I did. But was shockingly accurate in my assessment. Some fool with a private designation got told by a cop to move out, didn't and got fished and released = not a big deal.

Oh and I will be a LO as soon as I complete my training. According to the site I also get a neon legal observer bib to go with my hat.

 

[StrikeS2k]

My Loan Shark is committed

Yeah he's fighting the save the white man fight in 3 different threads now. Could do without the weak attempts at humor though, just doesn't wear well on a guy like him.

The humor is a veil. He and Strike had no idea what a Legal Observer was before they started chucking rocks.

 

[Courtjester]

From the Legal Observer Guide:

"You have no special legal status. Legal observers are usually respected by the police, but rarely get special treatment. Legal observers have to

tread a difficult line between being near enough to an incident to observe what is taking place, but not so near that you get arrested for obstructing the police. You are not immune from arrest, but unless you are deliberately getting in the way it is rare for legal observers to be arrested."

Just food for thought.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

What is the percentage of white people on death row versus white people arrested, compared to the same numbers for blacks? We know that blacks get arrested in higher numbers than whites. Therefore, it would make sense that there would be a higher percentage on death row, just as there are in gen pop.

Across the country you are 3-5 times more likely to be on death row if you kill a white person than a black person. The race of the victim is the single-best predictor of who gets the death penalty.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

What is the percentage of white people on death row versus white people arrested, compared to the same numbers for blacks? We know that blacks get arrested in higher numbers than whites. Therefore, it would make sense that there would be a higher percentage on death row, just as there are in gen pop.

Across the country you are 3-5 times more likely to be on death row if you kill a white person than a black person. The race of the victim is the single-best predictor of who gets the death penalty.

Strike was presented with this info earlier in the thread by Tobias. I believe he said he did not find that "compelling", though his post was difficult to understand.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Grand Jury comprised of 3 blacks and 9 whites

 

[jon_mx]

Grand Jury comprised of 3 blacks and 9 whites

It doesn't matter. If the prosecutor wants an indictment, he will get one.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Grand Jury comprised of 3 blacks and 9 whites

It doesn't matter. If the prosecutor wants an indictment, he will get one.

Tim may disagree with that

 

[Henry Ford]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

So if I show up at a protest wearing a "Legal Observer" hat I can't be harassed? Good to know a simple hat has such power.

Think of it like wearing a Red Cross uniform on a battlefield.

Cool. Where do I order one?

First you get into law school. Then you go a series of trainings on what to do as a Legal Observer, whether as a law student or a lawyer. Then you get assigned to a protest, before which the NLG notifies the police precinct that there will be Legal Observers in attendance. I think they give you the hat as you all head out to the protest.

Are you saying that if I go out and buy a hat that says "legal observer" on it, without following the steps you outlined above, that I'm breaking a law? If not, why would I go through all that trouble when I can simply buy a hat?

Well, the hat says "National Lawyers Guild Legal Observer ®", so if you made one of those up... yes. You'd be violating trademark law.

 

[Henry Ford]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

I get that it is a big deal to lawyers. Pretty much confirms my initial reaction. Some cop who didn't know or didn't care about his green hat told him to move it and he refused to comply. They took him in and let him go. To me which is what I would expect if to happen if I entered a riot zone without a news crew van or something.Let me guess this is a department conspiracy where they have been instructed to arrest all guys with green hats.

Let me guess all police departments are trained to recognize this baseball hat and some flatfoot missed it?

You do a lot of guessing. The fact that you don't know what a Legal Observer is doesn't mean it isn't an important thing. They've been around in protests for over 45 years, documenting police actions.

And they do not have to comply with police requests, and all police are trained to recognize this designation?So how is this a big deal? A cop asked a guy to disperse he refused, took him in and then let him go, right or wrong it what would you suggest for punishment?

Is a month suspension without pay.

Career ender?

written warning?

Put him behind a desk for a year?

You're very combative about this. Was the guy who arrested him related to you?

You are very evasive on the punishment parameters for violating the covenant of the neon green hat.

It's only a trademark violation. And probably fraud of some sort.

 

[Henry Ford]

My Loan Shark is committed

I'm all in on the Legal Observer hat this is exciting. I love collecting stuff like this.

Totally do it. Enjoy.

 

[Henry Ford]

Anyone can start a blog and become a journalist, too. We shouldn't care when they arrest actual journalists.

 

[Mario Kart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUQp-tC6Fws&list=UUCFKjJhc1_xKh7QItJC1k1w

 

[Courtjester]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUQp-tC6Fws&list=UUCFKjJhc1_xKh7QItJC1k1w

Dear God, Tim's head will literally explode after watching this......

 

[Mario Kart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUQp-tC6Fws&list=UUCFKjJhc1_xKh7QItJC1k1w

Dear God, Tim's head will literally explode after watching this......

Promoting Common Sense One Person At A Time

He's got many more videos. AND, he has a store with shirts, coffee mugs and more. It's like Ragu... its in the store.

http://whateverhappentocommonsense.com/

 

[timschochet]

i got excited by the video called "Obama wants 800,000 more illegals". If only if it were true.

 

[Mario Kart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQCLl_-d4aE

Good stuff here.

 

[Courtjester]

I was just messing with you Tim Thought it was a funny video...

 

[BassNBrew]

Are police in general allowed to shoot an unarmed unidentified person running away from them in the back for not complying with a directive?

 

[StrikeS2k]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

So if I show up at a protest wearing a "Legal Observer" hat I can't be harassed? Good to know a simple hat has such power.

Think of it like wearing a Red Cross uniform on a battlefield.

Cool. Where do I order one?

First you get into law school. Then you go a series of trainings on what to do as a Legal Observer, whether as a law student or a lawyer. Then you get assigned to a protest, before which the NLG notifies the police precinct that there will be Legal Observers in attendance. I think they give you the hat as you all head out to the protest.

Are you saying that if I go out and buy a hat that says "legal observer" on it, without following the steps you outlined above, that I'm breaking a law? If not, why would I go through all that trouble when I can simply buy a hat?

Well, the hat says "National Lawyers Guild Legal Observer ®", so if you made one of those up... yes. You'd be violating trademark law.

Pretty sure anything that says "Legal Observer" on it would do the trick. I'd make sure my lawyer reviews the design to ensure it doesn't violate anyone's trademarks. Thanks for the free advice.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

What is the percentage of white people on death row versus white people arrested, compared to the same numbers for blacks? We know that blacks get arrested in higher numbers than whites. Therefore, it would make sense that there would be a higher percentage on death row, just as there are in gen pop.

Across the country you are 3-5 times more likely to be on death row if you kill a white person than a black person. The race of the victim is the single-best predictor of who gets the death penalty.

Strike was presented with this info earlier in the thread by Tobias. I believe he said he did not find that "compelling", though his post was difficult to understand.

My reasoning is pretty simple. If you kill someone don't expect society to take it easy on you just because someone else got it easier than you for a similarly heinous crime.

To be clear, I think a valid discussion can be had over the fact that blacks get the death penalty more often than white people. Of course, I'd have to see the data on WHY that is. It could be that black people's murders are just more violent and deserving of the death penalty. I don't know. But if the specifics surrounding the cases are similar that would be a valid discussion to have. But why would I feel sorry for someone sentenced to death for a heinous crime simply because someone else got off easier for a similar crime? That's just asinine. People how use that type of reasoning are simply looking for a reason to support their "side."

 

[Henry Ford]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

I get that it is a big deal to lawyers. Pretty much confirms my initial reaction. Some cop who didn't know or didn't care about his green hat told him to move it and he refused to comply. They took him in and let him go. To me which is what I would expect if to happen if I entered a riot zone without a news crew van or something.Let me guess this is a department conspiracy where they have been instructed to arrest all guys with green hats.

Let me guess all police departments are trained to recognize this baseball hat and some flatfoot missed it?

You do a lot of guessing. The fact that you don't know what a Legal Observer is doesn't mean it isn't an important thing. They've been around in protests for over 45 years, documenting police actions.

And they do not have to comply with police requests, and all police are trained to recognize this designation?So how is this a big deal? A cop asked a guy to disperse he refused, took him in and then let him go, right or wrong it what would you suggest for punishment?

Is a month suspension without pay.

Career ender?

written warning?

Put him behind a desk for a year?

You're very combative about this. Was the guy who arrested him related to you?

You are very evasive on the punishment parameters for violating the covenant of the neon green hat.

You sure do act like kind of a jerk when you're not sending pms about the good work legal observers do.

 

[KCitons]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

probably. At least as to the UK, since most don't carry guns.

We are a violent, gun toting society. This shouldn't shock.

Well then we shouldn't have to worry about another war with those pesky Redcoats. (is Redcoats a slur, like that football team in Washington?)

 

[fatness]

Serious question: What are the sources, so far, from the Officer's side?

The Police Department

The family friend

The background voice John Doe

Are there any others?

I think there been 'sources high in the investigation' - IIRC they leaked the broken orbital bone

Then unnamed sources for the swelling and possible other leaks

The leaked story of a broken orbital bone is BS that originated on this site: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

Notice that the article includes a picture of a broken orbital bone which was lifted from the University of Iowa and altered: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket

The writer of that site, Jim Hoft, is out to prove Michael Brown was a gangster, and he's using pictures from a pretty racist site to do so:

The two pictures on the left appear to depict two different hand signs that show allegiance to a “Bloods” street gang.

Following that link lands you here: http://topconservativenews.com/2014/08/mike-brown-doing-gang-signs/

Comments there:

Looks about as sweet and innocent as Treboon.

A member of the bloods. A quick examination of his body will also show a lot of gang tats as well.

In short he was another black psychopath.

Of course the news media won't show these pictures or his gang affiliation. They have another narrative to stick to and they will.

Dat boy sho do likes dem red stuffses: Dis were a great loss, 'cause he were goin' to be a brane-docter or a asstronut..

Here's the front page of that site. Pretty easy to see what they about. http://topconservativenews.com/

That's where the "broken orbital bone" BS came from, based on citing "two local St. Louis sources".

 

[msommer]

Are police in general allowed to shoot an unarmed unidentified person running away from them in the back for not complying with a directive?

No. Johnnycakes quoted some stuff that condensed said, if the officer is afraid the target s about to do harm to others he might, but Henry Ford was unconvinced.

Brown was not shot in the back.

He may have been hit by a shot in the arm while facing away from the shooter. But not in the back.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Serious question: What are the sources, so far, from the Officer's side?

The Police Department

The family friend

The background voice John Doe

Are there any others?

I think there been 'sources high in the investigation' - IIRC they leaked the broken orbital bone

Then unnamed sources for the swelling and possible other leaks

The leaked story of a broken orbital bone is BS that originated on this site: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

Notice that the article includes a picture of a broken orbital bone which was lifted from the University of Iowa and altered: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket

The writer of that site, Jim Hoft, is out to prove Michael Brown was a gangster, and he's using pictures from a pretty racist site to do so:

The two pictures on the left appear to depict two different hand signs that show allegiance to a “Bloods” street gang.

Following that link lands you here: http://topconservativenews.com/2014/08/mike-brown-doing-gang-signs/

Comments there:

Looks about as sweet and innocent as Treboon.

A member of the bloods. A quick examination of his body will also show a lot of gang tats as well.

In short he was another black psychopath.

Of course the news media won't show these pictures or his gang affiliation. They have another narrative to stick to and they will.

Dat boy sho do likes dem red stuffses: Dis were a great loss, 'cause he were goin' to be a brane-docter or a asstronut..

Here's the front page of that site. Pretty easy to see what they about. http://topconservativenews.com/

That's where the "broken orbital bone" BS came from, based on citing "two local St. Louis sources".

racism is disgusting

 

[Loan Sharks]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

I get that it is a big deal to lawyers. Pretty much confirms my initial reaction. Some cop who didn't know or didn't care about his green hat told him to move it and he refused to comply. They took him in and let him go. To me which is what I would expect if to happen if I entered a riot zone without a news crew van or something.Let me guess this is a department conspiracy where they have been instructed to arrest all guys with green hats.

Let me guess all police departments are trained to recognize this baseball hat and some flatfoot missed it?

You do a lot of guessing. The fact that you don't know what a Legal Observer is doesn't mean it isn't an important thing. They've been around in protests for over 45 years, documenting police actions.

And they do not have to comply with police requests, and all police are trained to recognize this designation?So how is this a big deal? A cop asked a guy to disperse he refused, took him in and then let him go, right or wrong it what would you suggest for punishment?

Is a month suspension without pay.

Career ender?

written warning?

Put him behind a desk for a year?

You're very combative about this. Was the guy who arrested him related to you?

You are very evasive on the punishment parameters for violating the covenant of the neon green hat.

You sure do act like kind of a jerk when you're not sending pms about the good work legal observers do.

You sure did act like they have some special legal status and that arresting a legal observer is a big deal which it isn't.

That being said it does sound pretty cool, but when I am a legal observer, I am not going to be a whiny ##### if I get arrested during a riot.

 

[Henry Ford]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

I get that it is a big deal to lawyers. Pretty much confirms my initial reaction. Some cop who didn't know or didn't care about his green hat told him to move it and he refused to comply. They took him in and let him go. To me which is what I would expect if to happen if I entered a riot zone without a news crew van or something.Let me guess this is a department conspiracy where they have been instructed to arrest all guys with green hats.

Let me guess all police departments are trained to recognize this baseball hat and some flatfoot missed it?

You do a lot of guessing. The fact that you don't know what a Legal Observer is doesn't mean it isn't an important thing. They've been around in protests for over 45 years, documenting police actions.

And they do not have to comply with police requests, and all police are trained to recognize this designation?So how is this a big deal? A cop asked a guy to disperse he refused, took him in and then let him go, right or wrong it what would you suggest for punishment?

Is a month suspension without pay.

Career ender?

written warning?

Put him behind a desk for a year?

You're very combative about this. Was the guy who arrested him related to you?

You are very evasive on the punishment parameters for violating the covenant of the neon green hat.

You sure do act like kind of a jerk when you're not sending pms about the good work legal observers do.

You sure did act like they have some special legal status and that arresting a legal observer is a big deal which it isn't.

That being said it does sound pretty cool, but when I am a legal observer, I am not going to be a whiny ##### if I get arrested during a riot.

It is a big deal, but not because of legal status.

 

[Henry Ford]

As an aside - looking back a few days, it looks like an article in the NY Times on the 19th said the following:

"However, law enforcement officials say witnesses and forensic analysis have shown that Officer Wilson did sustain an injury during the struggle in the car.

As Officer Wilson got out of his car, the men were running away. The officer fired his weapon but did not hit anyone, according to law enforcement officials."

Is that still the official story? Because that sounds like law enforcement allegedly conceding that he fired at them while they ran away.

 

[boots11234]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

The numbers are skewed and misleading because those other countries don't shave nearly as many black people for their officers to shoot.

The black people in the UK, Germany and even sweden probably arent the looting, gangsta type either.You guys seem to be hung up on the persons skin color when in reality its a "behavior and attitude" issue thats the problem.....

perhaps there's a correlation? A deep rooted one? Perhaps tied to a bigger socieo-economic problem?Spitballin' here.

Yes, yes you are. There are plenty of poor people with good values who are not criminals.

 

[PatsWillWin]

As an aside - looking back a few days, it looks like an article in the NY Times on the 19th said the following:

"However, law enforcement officials say witnesses and forensic analysis have shown that Officer Wilson did sustain an injury during the struggle in the car.

As Officer Wilson got out of his car, the men were running away. The officer fired his weapon but did not hit anyone, according to law enforcement officials."

Is that still the official story? Because that sounds like law enforcement allegedly conceding that he fired at them while they ran away.

It also sounds like they are saying nobody was shot, so I'm guessing that's not correct.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael Brown's death violates law Heavily-redacted document omits key public information

A police report on the death of Michael Brown is missing key information and violates Missouri open records laws, an ACLU attorney told Yahoo News on Friday.

The two-page document, which the Ferguson Police Department released only after pressure from journalists and civil liberties advocates, is largely redacted or left blank. The most egregious omissions are the victim’s name and a description of the offense – the fatal shooting of Brown.

“They are breaking the law,” said Tony Rothert, legal director of the ACLU of Missouri.

The report, obtained by Yahoo News through the Missouri Sunshine Law, lists only the date, time and location. Fields for the type of incident, name of the complainant, and a summary of the circumstances are redacted.

Missouri’s Sunshine Law states law enforcement agencies must promptly provide incident reports that include among other things, “name of the victim and immediate facts and circumstances surrounding the initial report of a crime or incident.”

The state investigation is being conducted by the St. Louis County Police Department. A copy of their offense report does list Brown as the victim, but doesn’t give a summary of what happened.

The county’s report reveals that the larger metro department didn’t receive a call on the Aug. 9 shooting until 12:43 p.m., about 40 minutes after Brown was killed.

“So we have no idea what happened during those 43 minutes,” Rothert said. “It just adds to the complete lack of transparency about what happened.”

Last week, Chief Jackson gave members of the media 19 pages of police documents, photos and video from a convenience store robbery that occurred shortly before the fatal shooting. Police said they believe Brown and Johnson had just stolen cigars at the store before crossing paths with Officer Wilson on their way home.

“They have obviously taken the shooting of Michael Brown less seriously than the alleged robbery of cigarillos,” Rothert said. “That’s pretty disturbing.”

 

[Henry Ford]

As an aside - looking back a few days, it looks like an article in the NY Times on the 19th said the following:

"However, law enforcement officials say witnesses and forensic analysis have shown that Officer Wilson did sustain an injury during the struggle in the car.

As Officer Wilson got out of his car, the men were running away. The officer fired his weapon but did not hit anyone, according to law enforcement officials."

Is that still the official story? Because that sounds like law enforcement allegedly conceding that he fired at them while they ran away.

It also sounds like they are saying nobody was shot, so I'm guessing that's not correct.

From behind. That he shot while the kid was running away but missed.

 

[Henry Ford]

ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael Brown's death violates law Heavily-redacted document omits key public information



A police report on the death of Michael Brown is missing key information and violates Missouri open records laws, an ACLU attorney told Yahoo News on Friday.

The two-page document, which the Ferguson Police Department released only after pressure from journalists and civil liberties advocates, is largely redacted or left blank. The most egregious omissions are the victims name and a description of the offense the fatal shooting of Brown.

They are breaking the law, said Tony Rothert, legal director of the ACLU of Missouri.

The report, obtained by Yahoo News through the Missouri Sunshine Law, lists only the date, time and location. Fields for the type of incident, name of the complainant, and a summary of the circumstances are redacted.

Missouris Sunshine Law states law enforcement agencies must promptly provide incident reports that include among other things, name of the victim and immediate facts and circumstances surrounding the initial report of a crime or incident.

The state investigation is being conducted by the St. Louis County Police Department. A copy of their offense report does list Brown as the victim, but doesnt give a summary of what happened.

The countys report reveals that the larger metro department didnt receive a call on the Aug. 9 shooting until 12:43 p.m., about 40 minutes after Brown was killed.

So we have no idea what happened during those 43 minutes, Rothert said. It just adds to the complete lack of transparency about what happened.

Last week, Chief Jackson gave members of the media 19 pages of police documents, photos and video from a convenience store robbery that occurred shortly before the fatal shooting. Police said they believe Brown and Johnson had just stolen cigars at the store before crossing paths with Officer Wilson on their way home.

They have obviously taken the shooting of Michael Brown less seriously than the alleged robbery of cigarillos, Rothert said. Thats pretty disturbing.

Ohhhh.... so someone did do a report?

 

[fatness]

This is the police report? http://www.scribd.com/doc/237539197/St-Louis-County-Offense-Report

What is it, a fill-in-the-blank-and-mail-in-to-win-a-valuable-prize form?

 

[Henry Ford]

This is the police report? http://www.scribd.com/doc/237539197/St-Louis-County-Offense-Report

What is it, a fill-in-the-blank-and-mail-in-to-win-a-valuable-prize form?

That's the St. Louis incident report. The Ferguson will be half blank and redacted.