Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (1 Viewer)

[Fennis]

White kids, supposedly from Ferguson, mock black people and invoke hateful racial stereotypes, for profit.

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Those kids look kind of not white to me.

I did notice several of them had their hands up which might be kind of threatening. And I think one of them charged.

''I have black friends''

clap clap clap

''you get a cookie ''

I like this version better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L104LViQeIw

 

[Todd Andrews]

White kids, supposedly from Ferguson, mock black people and invoke hateful racial stereotypes, for profit.

Link

Those kids look kind of not white to me.

I did notice several of them had their hands up which might be kind of threatening. And I think one of them charged.

''I have black friends''

clap clap clap

''you get a cookie ''

at the barbershop

clap clap clap

--timscrotal

 

[spreagle]

So I tested the kids to see if they would put their hands up if directed by the police (I played the police) to surrender, they would not do it. Screw you they basically said. So we had a little talk about when the police tell you to surrender, how not to run away and how to surrender so you don't get shot. I sort of doubt a guy like Brown truly put his hands up to surrender, surrender just wasn't in his character, maybe he put his hands halfways up but not he whole way, whatever he did was probably as haphazard as the guy in the pink shirt and not really easily identifiable in the heat of the moment as a true surrender.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

So I tested the kids to see if they would put their hands up if directed by the police (I played the police) to surrender, they would not do it. Screw you they basically said. So we had a little talk about when the police tell you to surrender, how not to run away and how to surrender so you don't get shot. I sort of doubt a guy like Brown truly put his hands up to surrender, surrender just wasn't in his character, maybe he put his hands halfways up but not he whole way, whatever he did was probably as haphazard as the guy in the pink shirt and not really easily identifiable in the heat of the moment as a true surrender.

Good point. Because clearly it's okay to shoot somebody if he stops and is just standing there. It's getting the "hands up" part done correctly that makes all the difference.

 

[fatness]

What's the matter with people these days that they don't even know the right way to surrender?

 

[TobiasFunke]

So I tested the kids to see if they would put their hands up if directed by the police (I played the police) to surrender, they would not do it. Screw you they basically said. So we had a little talk about when the police tell you to surrender, how not to run away and how to surrender so you don't get shot. I sort of doubt a guy like Brown truly put his hands up to surrender, surrender just wasn't in his character, maybe he put his hands halfways up but not he whole way, whatever he did was probably as haphazard as the guy in the pink shirt and not really easily identifiable in the heat of the moment as a true surrender.

Good point. Because clearly it's okay to shoot somebody if he stops and is just standing there. It's getting the "hands up" part done correctly that makes all the difference.

I'll say this for spreagle- he definitely seems to be an expert when it comes to reaching.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So I tested the kids to see if they would put their hands up if directed by the police (I played the police) to surrender, they would not do it. Screw you they basically said. So we had a little talk about when the police tell you to surrender, how not to run away and how to surrender so you don't get shot. I sort of doubt a guy like Brown truly put his hands up to surrender, surrender just wasn't in his character, maybe he put his hands halfways up but not he whole way, whatever he did was probably as haphazard as the guy in the pink shirt and not really easily identifiable in the heat of the moment as a true surrender.

Good point. Because clearly it's okay to shoot somebody if he stops and is just standing there. It's getting the "hands up" part done correctly that makes all the difference.

I'll say this for spreagle- he definitely seems to be an expert when it comes to reaching.

dudes a clown

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

What's the matter with people these days that they don't even know the right way to surrender get killed by police while minding their own business?

 

[T. S. Kim]

KKK wants Missouri Senator "caught, beat, drug, and whipped to the point of seeing the light for supporting Mike Brown".

 

[timschochet]

Suppose Officer Wilson was also an NFL football player for the Minnesota Vikings. Chances are he'd be playing this weekend!

 

[Fennis]

Majority of white St. Louis residents believe Michael Brown’s shooting was justified

A new poll released by Remington Research Group found that public opinion surrounding the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown is starkly divided: 65 percent of black respondents believe Officer Darren Wilson was unjustified in his shooting of Brown, while 62 percent of white residents surveyed believed Wilson was acting within his rights.

When asked whether Brown was targeted because of his race, 77 percent of white respondents said no while 64 percent of black respondents said yes.

The St. Louis Post Dispatch reports:

Remington Research, which was founded by Republican political consultant Jeff Roe, based its findings on questions posed to 604 county residents on Sept. 13-14.

The firm based the non-commissioned poll on demographics weighted to match U.S. Census data. Remington Research said the margin of error, +/- 3.53 percent, gives the survey a “95 percent level of confidence.”

Respondents based their answers on accounts gleaned from news accounts and others [sic] sources and not first-hand information.

Based on what the residents have seen and heard over the past month, 41 percent believe that “organized street gangs” bore the primary responsibility for the violence that erupted along West Florissant Avenue in the days following the Brown shooting.

The only thing that everyone could agree on was their disappointment in the media: 75 percent of all people polled thought they made the situation in Ferguson worse.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Majority of white St. Louis residents believe Michael Brown’s shooting was justified

A new poll released by Remington Research Group found that public opinion surrounding the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown is starkly divided: 65 percent of black respondents believe Officer Darren Wilson was unjustified in his shooting of Brown, while 62 percent of white residents surveyed believed Wilson was acting within his rights.

When asked whether Brown was targeted because of his race, 77 percent of white respondents said no while 64 percent of black respondents said yes.

The St. Louis Post Dispatch reports:

Remington Research, which was founded by Republican political consultant Jeff Roe, based its findings on questions posed to 604 county residents on Sept. 13-14.

The firm based the non-commissioned poll on demographics weighted to match U.S. Census data. Remington Research said the margin of error, +/- 3.53 percent, gives the survey a “95 percent level of confidence.”

Respondents based their answers on accounts gleaned from news accounts and others [sic] sources and not first-hand information.

Based on what the residents have seen and heard over the past month, 41 percent believe that “organized street gangs” bore the primary responsibility for the violence that erupted along West Florissant Avenue in the days following the Brown shooting.

The only thing that everyone could agree on was their disappointment in the media: 75 percent of all people polled thought they made the situation in Ferguson worse.

do they know something that the black community doesnt?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Haven't paid attention to this in a couple weeks. We trending towards civil war or has this blown over? Cliffs notes?

 

[Gary Coal Man]

NAACP To Host “How To Stay Alive When Stopped By A Cop” Forum

September 15, 2014

In the wake of the shooting death of Michael Brown by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, the Atlanta NAACP will begin hosting forums on Monday, Sept. 15. The first of several forums is being called “How To Stay Alive When Stopped By A Cop.”

It was following the shooting of Brown that the metro chapters of the NAACP joined with the Georgia NAACP in announcing that they would be training young African American males about how to stay alive when they are stopped by a police officer. They also called for sensitivity training of police officers in Georgia.

Atlanta NAACP President Dr. R.L. White says, “Most of the cops, are good cops but every once in a while one in a basket can spoil the whole thing.” And White says when young black males inadvertently run into one of those cops and they show any kind of temper, “the cop gets angry and thinks he has the right to shoot them or demean them in any way that he can.” White adding, “We want to see our young boys grow to their full potential.”

The forum will be held at Mount Ephraim Baptist Church, 1202 W. Marietta Street, in Atlanta. It will begin at 6:00pm.

NAACP Atlanta Interim-Executive Director Mary Ross says, “We want law enforcement agencies and community leaders to come together to discuss ways to keep our youth alive when they encounter a law enforcement officer.” Ross says that Fulton County Sheriff Ted Jackson will be at the forum, she says, “to stop this vicious cycle.” According to Ross, “No more will we allow our black males to be profiled and murdered without just cause or consequence.”

The NAACP, the nation’s oldest and largest civil rights organization, says that it continues to demand answers surrounding Brown’s death and is calling for accountability and justice for Brown’s family.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

NAACP To Host “How To Stay Alive When Stopped By A Cop” Forum

September 15, 2014

In the wake of the shooting death of Michael Brown by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, the Atlanta NAACP will begin hosting forums on Monday, Sept. 15. The first of several forums is being called “How To Stay Alive When Stopped By A Cop.”

It was following the shooting of Brown that the metro chapters of the NAACP joined with the Georgia NAACP in announcing that they would be training young African American males about how to stay alive when they are stopped by a police officer. They also called for sensitivity training of police officers in Georgia.

Atlanta NAACP President Dr. R.L. White says, “Most of the cops, are good cops but every once in a while one in a basket can spoil the whole thing.” And White says when young black males inadvertently run into one of those cops and they show any kind of temper, “the cop gets angry and thinks he has the right to shoot them or demean them in any way that he can.” White adding, “We want to see our young boys grow to their full potential.”

The forum will be held at Mount Ephraim Baptist Church, 1202 W. Marietta Street, in Atlanta. It will begin at 6:00pm.

NAACP Atlanta Interim-Executive Director Mary Ross says, “We want law enforcement agencies and community leaders to come together to discuss ways to keep our youth alive when they encounter a law enforcement officer.” Ross says that Fulton County Sheriff Ted Jackson will be at the forum, she says, “to stop this vicious cycle.” According to Ross, “No more will we allow our black males to be profiled and murdered without just cause or consequence.”

The NAACP, the nation’s oldest and largest civil rights organization, says that it continues to demand answers surrounding Brown’s death and is calling for accountability and justice for Brown’s family.

didnt Chris Rock already cover this?

 

[Henry Ford]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

Hundreds of stories and videos just like this...police for the most part cant be trusted to be truthful regarding these situations ...pretty sad

 

[MaxThreshold]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

Hundreds of stories and videos just like this...police for the most part cant be trusted to be truthful regarding these situations ...pretty sad

An unfortunate incident for sure, but - in general - I'm not ready to trust the word of criminals over cops just yet.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

Hundreds of stories and videos just like this...police for the most part cant be trusted to be truthful regarding these situations ...pretty sad

An unfortunate incident for sure, but - in general - I'm not ready to trust the word of criminals over cops just y

sometimes the lines get blurry as to who the criminals are and aren't....the cops act like criminals quite often

 

[jon_mx]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

Hundreds of stories and videos just like this...police for the most part cant be trusted to be truthful regarding these situations ...pretty sad

Certainly there are dishonest and corrupt cops, just like any occupation. However inmost cases cops are far more trustworthy than suspected criminals. It is just more much more newsworthy in the cases where law enforcement might be in the wrong.

 

[Jim11]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

Hundreds of stories and videos just like this...police for the most part cant be trusted to be truthful regarding these situations ...pretty sad

An unfortunate incident for sure, but - in general - I'm not ready to trust the word of criminals over cops just y

sometimes the lines get blurry as to who the criminals are and aren't....the cops act like criminals quite often

Next time you're in trouble, call a criminal.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

Hundreds of stories and videos just like this...police for the most part cant be trusted to be truthful regarding these situations ...pretty sad

An unfortunate incident for sure, but - in general - I'm not ready to trust the word of criminals over cops just yet.

You authority slobberers are hilarious. Cant wait to fall in line, can you?

 

[msommer]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

Interesting to see that there are multiple police officers on the scene as it unfolds - it would only take on of them to make the charge disappear, but apparently the esprit de corps is still very high...

 

[Jim11]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

Interesting to see that there are multiple police officers on the scene as it unfolds - it would only take on of them to make the charge disappear, but apparently the esprit de corps is still very high...

Dude probably deserved it. You don't know what transpired before the video started.

 

[msommer]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

Interesting to see that there are multiple police officers on the scene as it unfolds - it would only take on of them to make the charge disappear, but apparently the esprit de corps is still very high...

Dude probably deserved it. You don't know what transpired before the video started.

We'll see what the courts say

 

[Josie Maran]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

Hundreds of stories and videos just like this...police for the most part cant be trusted to be truthful regarding these situations ...pretty sad

Certainly there are dishonest and corrupt cops, just like any occupation. However inmost cases cops are far more trustworthy than suspected criminals. It is just more much more newsworthy in the cases where law enforcement might be in the wrong.

I'll believe there are good ones when they grow a pair and get rid of the bad ones.

 

[Henry Ford]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

Hundreds of stories and videos just like this...police for the most part cant be trusted to be truthful regarding these situations ...pretty sad

An unfortunate incident for sure, but - in general - I'm not ready to trust the word of criminals over cops just y

sometimes the lines get blurry as to who the criminals are and aren't....the cops act like criminals quite often

Next time you're in trouble, call a criminal.

Like the one in the video sucker punching a guy?

 

[spreagle]

NAACP To Host “How To Stay Alive When Stopped By A Cop” Forum

September 15, 2014

In the wake of the shooting death of Michael Brown by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, the Atlanta NAACP will begin hosting forums on Monday, Sept. 15. The first of several forums is being called “How To Stay Alive When Stopped By A Cop.”

It was following the shooting of Brown that the metro chapters of the NAACP joined with the Georgia NAACP in announcing that they would be training young African American males about how to stay alive when they are stopped by a police officer. They also called for sensitivity training of police officers in Georgia.

Atlanta NAACP President Dr. R.L. White says, “Most of the cops, are good cops but every once in a while one in a basket can spoil the whole thing.” And White says when young black males inadvertently run into one of those cops and they show any kind of temper, “the cop gets angry and thinks he has the right to shoot them or demean them in any way that he can.” White adding, “We want to see our young boys grow to their full potential.”

The forum will be held at Mount Ephraim Baptist Church, 1202 W. Marietta Street, in Atlanta. It will begin at 6:00pm.

NAACP Atlanta Interim-Executive Director Mary Ross says, “We want law enforcement agencies and community leaders to come together to discuss ways to keep our youth alive when they encounter a law enforcement officer.” Ross says that Fulton County Sheriff Ted Jackson will be at the forum, she says, “to stop this vicious cycle.” According to Ross, “No more will we allow our black males to be profiled and murdered without just cause or consequence.”

The NAACP, the nation’s oldest and largest civil rights organization, says that it continues to demand answers surrounding Brown’s death and is calling for accountability and justice for Brown’s family.

Like I said previously, schools should be teaching ALL kids how to give up to the cops. The NAACP is stepping in where the schools have failed.

 

[fatness]

Like I said previously, schools should be teaching ALL kids how to give up to the cops. The NAACP is stepping in where the schools have failed.

Your eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the cops.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

Interesting to see that there are multiple police officers on the scene as it unfolds - it would only take on of them to make the charge disappear, but apparently the esprit de corps is still very high...

Dude probably deserved it. You don't know what transpired before the video started.

We'll see what the courts say

ya....i punched a drunk guy who i thought deserved it ...and got arrested by the cops...i guess its a double standard ?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Missouri Attorney General seems like a class act who will handle this matter fairly.

Can't believe those silly people felt like justice might not be served.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

I'm not reading as thoroughly as I'd like, so this may have been posted recently:

Anonymous just released the dispatch and EMS audio. The officer appears to have called for crowd control, but not EMS - and did not report the shooting immediately. It would be four hours before EMS was called.

That's incredibly damning.

Why was Michael Brown's body left there for hours? : Newshttp://m.stltoday.com/news/local/cr...516e-882f-74d18a4246e0.html?mobile_touch=trueThe indignation was instantaneous. Neighbors in Canfield Green poured from their apartments and stared at 18-year-old Michael Brown, unarmed, facedown in the street, shot dead by a Ferguson police officer.

Then, fueled by camera phones and social media, the outrage jumped out of this suburban apartment complex, crossed St. Louis County, traversed the country and, over the weeks, spread across the world.

The Rev. Al Sharpton, preaching at Brown’s funeral two weeks later, said the teen was left in the street “like nobody cared,” as if his life “didn’t matter.” A national magazine, too, zeroed in on the four hours Brown’s body lay on the ground. “Dictators leave bodies in the street,” the author wrote. “Warlords leave bodies in the street.” Not, “an advanced society.”

Politicians, pastors, police chiefs and picket lines all criticized the delay. The outrage continues more than a month later.

“They shot a black man, and they left his body in the street to let you all know this could be you,” Ferguson resident Alexis Torregrossa, 21, said almost four weeks after the shooting. “To set an example, that’s how I see it.”

To determine why the body remained on the street for hours, the Post-Dispatch analyzed public records, police testimony, medical examiner procedures and data from previous crime scenes, and interviewed medical examiner staff, police officials, Canfield Green residents and others. The newspaper has put together the most comprehensive public account chronicling the police response in the hours after Brown’s death.

Forensic professionals from across the country and local police officials contacted for this story acknowledge that sometimes bodies remain at a crime scene even longer than Brown’s did. But they agree that four hours is a long time on a public street, particularly at a volatile scene when police have killed a man.

Now, five weeks later, some police officials say they have learned from the experience and wish they had moved more quickly to get Brown’s body off Canfield Drive and quash the flash point that fed the crowd’s anger.

“The other option would have been just to, you know, scoop up Michael Brown, take some photographs and get the hell out of there,” said Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson. “Future lesson learned. And I am not trying to in any way excuse or justify why this took so long. I’m just saying, ‘This is what happened.’”

A RIBBON OF BLOOD

Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson shot Brown in the moments after 12:02 p.m. Aug. 9.

It’s still unclear exactly why. Police say Brown scuffled with Wilson. Some witnesses have called Wilson the aggressor and said Brown was giving in, hands raised.

When the last of the six rounds hit Brown’s body, he pitched forward and landed facedown on the double yellow line in the middle of Canfield Drive, surrounded by long sidewalks, green grass and 14 multiunit apartment buildings.

The street sloped slightly. Brown’s blood, which otherwise might have pooled underneath him, ran in a wide ribbon several feet down the hill.

Two minutes earlier, Wilson had left a 911 call a half-mile away, on Glenark Drive, police and emergency logs show. He had accompanied an ambulance to thehome, where a 2-month-old was having trouble breathing.

About 12:05 p.m., that same ambulance, infant in the back, came across Brown’s body in the road, said two ambulance administrators. The paramedic got out, walked into the crime scene, which was already roped off with yellow police tape, kneeled down, checked Brown’s radial pulse, then his carotid pulse, circled the body once, kneeled down again, and wiped his own brow.

When the paramedic determined Brown was dead, the care of his body legally transferred to the St. Louis County Medical Examiner. By law, police cannot touch the body. But since most medical examiners won’t set foot in the crime scene until it is processed by police, the fate of Brown’s body was back in police hands.

And for at least 10 minutes, videos taken by multiple residents show that his body lay uncovered.

The videos also show the crowd slowly building along the police tape.

About the same time, miles away, Chief Jackson was driving to visit his kids, who live about 50 minutes from Ferguson, Jackson said. The call from his sergeant came about 12:05 p.m., he said.

He said he called Jon Belmar, chief of the St. Louis County police, to take over the investigation. He turned his car around. He stopped at the side of the highway to change into his uniform, which he carries with him.

At this point, accounts don’t clearly line up. Jackson said he called Belmar immediately. Belmar said he got the call 23 minutes after the shooting and called his chief of detectives moments later, about 12:30 p.m.

St. Louis County detectives on duty that day weren’t close to Ferguson then. They were at St. Anthony’s Medical Center, near Sunset Hills, 30 miles south. Six hours earlier, a man with a gun had entered a hospice house there, taken a clerk into the building to find drugs and then disappeared. The hospital had been on lockdown for hours. County SWAT teams had sent at least 13 cars to the scene.

When a St. Louis County watch commander, one of the first county brass to arrive at Canfield, contacted dispatch to get help in Ferguson, the dispatcher said, “They’re all working on that call down in South County. Let me know if you need them, and we’ll try to raise them. It’ll be an ETA from South County, though.”

Brown’s mother, Lesley McSpadden, told NewsOne.com that police would not allow her to identify the body. “There were some girls down there had recorded the whole thing ... (one) showed me a picture on her phone. She said, ‘Isn’t that your son?’ I just bawled even harder. Just to see that, my son lying there lifeless, for no apparent reason.”

By 12:50 p.m., logs show, detectives were on their way. The first to arrive checked in at 1:30 p.m. Logs show the rest checked in about an hour later. County police did not make detectives available to explain the delay, but Belmar said detectives often are immediately drawn into the investigation and don’t check in until later.

All the while, chaos was building at Canfield.

‘KILL THE POLICE’

A St. Louis County first precinct dispatcher was initially bewildered by the requests for backup. “We just called Ferguson back again, and they don’t know anything about it,” she said at one point.

A Ferguson dispatcher first told the ambulance district someone had been Tased.

But at 12:10 p.m., county police began to flood the scene with cars: By 1 p.m., they had dispatched more than a dozen units, according to the county log. By 2 p.m., a dozen more, including two with police dogs.

And the scene was about to get much more turbulent.

At 2:11 p.m., Ferguson police logs captured reports of shots fired. At 2:14 p.m., ambulance dispatch noted additional gunshots, then a Code 1000, calling all available jurisdictions to help. Over the next 20 minutes, the first precinct dispatched more than 20 units from at least eight different municipal forces, from Bel-Ridge to St. John to Velda City.

At some point, Chief Jackson said he urged crime scene detectives to hurry up their work. “We’ve got to expedite,” Jackson said he told them. “They said, ‘OK, we’re expediting.’ But then we had a shooting over here, crowd’s coming in, and it’s really not secure there.”

About 2:30 p.m., Calvin Whitaker, the livery service driver, arrived to pick up Brown’s body. One end of Canfield was blocked off by police and emergency vehicles. At the other end, a crowd stood in his way. “They were screaming, ‘Let’s kill the police,’” he said.

People flung water bottles at his black SUV, he said, cussed at his wife and called them murderers.

A police officer told them to stay in the car. “You guys do not have vests,” he told them. “The best thing for you to do is get down.” Whitaker and his wife reclined their seats and hunkered down.

Police dogs, newly arrived, pushed the crowd back some, Jackson said. But when the dogs stepped back, the crowd surged forward, he said, even angrier than before. Jackson began to circle the perimeter with Brown’s mother.

McSpadden pleaded with the crowd, Whitaker said. “‘All I want them to do is pick up my baby,’” he remembers her saying. “‘Please respect him. Please move back.’ She would get a crowd moved back, and then another group would move up.”

The scene was so tense, commanders in charge stopped the investigation at points and directed investigators to seek cover. Detectives also were pulled away to help manage the crowd.

At 2:45 p.m., four more canine units arrived. At 3:20 p.m., tactical operations officers — the county SWAT team — began pulling in.

Finally, about 4 p.m., police officers gave the medical examiner investigator, then Whitaker and his wife, the go-ahead to take Brown’s body to the morgue.

Whitaker moved behind the barriers that had eventually been put up around the body. Police stood shoulder to shoulder alongside Whitaker’s cot and lined the path to his vehicle holding up sheets to block the public’s view.

Whitaker, 42, said he has transported hundreds of bodies over the years under contract with the city of St. Louis and St. Louis County. “That is the worst situation I’ve ever been in,” he said.

He estimated it took him no more than 15 minutes to drive Brown’s body the five-mile trip to the morgue. Workers signed the body in at 4:37 p.m. and rolled the gurney into a cooler.

GETTING IT RIGHT

Experts say some of the delays could have been caused by inexperience. Computerized medical examiner reports in St. Louis County list only a handful of officer-involved fatal shootings where the victim died at the scene. They took place in the early morning on weekdays.

This shooting was on a Saturday, with a skeleton crew on duty and an earlier incident miles away that delayed detectives from getting to Ferguson.

Jackson and others said the scene was so chaotic that there were moments when they didn’t know if they were going to get out without getting hurt or hurting someone else.

Several medical examiners and coroner officials from across the country said every crime scene is different. Some take all day to process.

“Sometimes it’s a little disconcerting in an open scene for the family to see a body lying there,” said Dave R. Fowler, chief medical examiner in Baltimore. “But this is not ‘CSI.’”

The best way to serve the public and the victim’s family is to do your job properly, they all said, and get as close to the truth as possible.

There are absolutes in police work, Belmar said in an interview Friday. Protect the crime scene. Investigate thoroughly. “What would we have gained by taking pictures of Mr. Brown’s body and simply getting him out of there as fast as we could?” Belmar asked. “... It might have moved (the timeline) up an hour and a half.”

Or would that have left the grand jury — convening now on this case — without the benefit of a thorough crime scene investigation? “It really is a double-edged sword,” Belmar said.

But for many in Ferguson, none of that will matter. Regardless of the evidence, the experts, the gunshots and the crowds, a young man’s body left on the street for four hours just doesn’t make sense.

“You’ll never make anyone black believe that a white kid would have laid in the street for four hours,” said Mike Jones, an African-American and chief aide to St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley. “It defies any understanding of reality.”

And that anger won’t go away soon, several Canfield residents recently said.

Torregrossa can still see Brown’s feet and head sticking out from the white sheet, too small to cover his tall frame. “The image in my mind, him laying in the street, that baffles me,” Torregrossa said.

“That’s the only image I have of this young man, and I can’t shake it.”

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

That might be the most blatant example of police brutality that I've seen. In most police brutality cases the cop can at least make an argument that he was trying to restrain the perp/victim or that the perp/victim posed a threat. This cop, however, just wanted a street fight against a guy who looked like he wanted no part of a street fight.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Fury of Ferguson descends on St. Louis County Council : Newshttp://m.stltoday.com/news/local/fu...5399-9bd0-3bb95b50339f.html?mobile_touch=trueCLAYTON • The fury of Ferguson descended on the seat of St. Louis County with a vengeance Tuesday night with demonstrators unleashing a torrent of chants, invective and threats at a County Council that listened for two hours in stunned silence.

Protesters demanded the arrest of Darren Wilson, the police officer who shot 18-year-old Michael Brown to death on a Ferguson street five weeks ago, the removal of County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch from the Brown case, the resignations of County Police Chief Jon Belmar and Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson and accountability from the elected county legislative arm.

But the bulk of the ire was directed at Steve Stenger, the 6th District Democratic councilman facing Republican state Rep. Rick Stream in the November general election in the race for county executive.

Several speakers demanded that Stenger call on his “BFF (Best Friend Forever)” McCulloch to resign by noon Wednesday. McCulloch was the councilman’s chief political ally in Stenger’s primary defeat of incumbent County Executive Charlie Dooley four days before Brown was shot to death.

“12 Noon, Stenger! 12 Noon, Stenger!” demonstrators shouted in unison as the public comment portion of the meeting drew to an end.

“We will do everything in our power on election day because we see you sitting there with a smug look on your face,” one speaker told Stenger. “We will have our say in November when we go to vote.”

Stenger was shouted down before he could complete a statement asking that the community work together to “bridge the divide.”

He could not be reached for comment on the demonstrators’ demands following the raucous, packed meeting that carried over into the hallway outside the council chambers and then to North Central Avenue outside.

Council Chairwoman Hazel Erby twice threatened to end the meeting prematurely if the demonstrators — who interrupted speakers, including eight residents appealing to the council on zoning and other matters — didn’t cease.

Undeterred, the audience loudly cheered speakers who likened Wilson and other law enforcement officials to “war criminals,” compared St. Louis County government to the Ku Klux Klan and drew analogies between the St. Louis region and Jim Crow laws.

“You are ISIS to black people,” one speaker told council members.

The audience jeered a woman who voiced support for the police. She received a police escort from the building after the meeting.

Speakers also threatened to shut down St. Louis Cardinals and Rams games this Sunday, disrupt weekend grocery shopping trips throughout the area and mount massive demonstrations if the Cardinals reach the World Series.

Lastly came the foreshadowing of further violence if Wilson is not charged and convicted.

“If Darren Wilson gets off, you all better bring every army you all have got. ’Cause it’s going down,” said one speaker.

The protesters marched out of the council chamber chanting and holding their hands up. At 8:12 p.m., activist Anthony Shahid — who had repeatedly referred to Stenger as “boy” — gathered them in the lobby outside for 4½ minutes of silence, to commemorate the 4½ hours that Brown’s body lay in the street.

“What you just felt, 4½ minutes, think what the family felt for 4½ hours,” Shahid said.

The next 35 minutes were filled with loud chanting of the slogans that have been hallmarks of the protests “No justice, no peace... hey hey, ho ho, killer cops have got to go... We’re marching all night long... hands up, don’t shoot.”

Protesters then marched noisily around the building escalators several times, then went down one flight and out onto Central Avenue, where the chanting continued for about half an hour. About 50 people marched two blocks in front of the county police headquarters, then headed toward the Justice Center, where McCulloch works, but stopped before a small cluster of Clayton police officers across Central and Carondelet avenues.

A few protesters screamed at the officers, who stood with little movement.

Zaki Baruti, another protest leader, said they planned no action in Clayton Wednesday “except to call Stenger’s office and find out his decision.”

 

[Da Guru]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

That might be the most blatant example of police brutality that I've seen. In most police brutality cases the cop can at least make an argument that he was trying to restrain the perp/victim or that the perp/victim posed a threat. This cop, however, just wanted a street fight against a guy who looked like he wanted no part of a street fight.

It was a black cop beating a black man..no biggie.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

That might be the most blatant example of police brutality that I've seen. In most police brutality cases the cop can at least make an argument that he was trying to restrain the perp/victim or that the perp/victim posed a threat. This cop, however, just wanted a street fight against a guy who looked like he wanted no part of a street fight.

It was a black cop beating a black man..no biggie.

True. That's likely why the story is only being covered by Addicting Info and not NBC, CBS, and CNN as it would be if the cop were white.

 

[Da Guru]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

That might be the most blatant example of police brutality that I've seen. In most police brutality cases the cop can at least make an argument that he was trying to restrain the perp/victim or that the perp/victim posed a threat. This cop, however, just wanted a street fight against a guy who looked like he wanted no part of a street fight.

It was a black cop beating a black man..no biggie.

True. That's likely why the story is only being covered by Addicting Info and not NBC, CBS, and CNN as it would be if the cop were white.

Last fall a black cop in Chicago shot an unarmed black man 9 times and killed him. There was a small blurb about it but nothing nationally. The cop was acquitted. No protests or looting. These types of stories will not whip people into a frenzy and drive ratings though. So they are largely ignored. Although anytime the police abuse their power it should never be ignored.

 

[timschochet]

The article about the City Council meeting is sad and depressing. People have become so emotional and upset over what they perceive to be an injustice that they've lost the ability to think and act rationally- they've become a mob. Hopefully it's a small minority.

 

[timschochet]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

That might be the most blatant example of police brutality that I've seen. In most police brutality cases the cop can at least make an argument that he was trying to restrain the perp/victim or that the perp/victim posed a threat. This cop, however, just wanted a street fight against a guy who looked like he wanted no part of a street fight.

It was a black cop beating a black man..no biggie.

True. That's likely why the story is only being covered by Addicting Info and not NBC, CBS, and CNN as it would be if the cop were white.

Last fall a black cop in Chicago shot an unarmed black man 9 times and killed him. There was a small blurb about it but nothing nationally. The cop was acquitted. No protests or looting. These types of stories will not whip people into a frenzy and drive ratings though. So they are largely ignored. Although anytime the police abuse their power it should never be ignored.

police abuse of power is not in itself a significant issue unless it involves white policemen abusing minorities. We have institutionalized racism among police in our society- THAT is the story. The rare instances when black cops do something wrong are usually brought up by conservatives who try to use them as examples to disprove what is actually happening, and then complain that they aren't being reported on, which in turn is used to justify their claim of a "liberal media". The reality is these stories get little airplay because they're rare and form no pattern.

 

[jonessed]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

That might be the most blatant example of police brutality that I've seen. In most police brutality cases the cop can at least make an argument that he was trying to restrain the perp/victim or that the perp/victim posed a threat. This cop, however, just wanted a street fight against a guy who looked like he wanted no part of a street fight.

It was a black cop beating a black man..no biggie.

True. That's likely why the story is only being covered by Addicting Info and not NBC, CBS, and CNN as it would be if the cop were white.

Last fall a black cop in Chicago shot an unarmed black man 9 times and killed him. There was a small blurb about it but nothing nationally. The cop was acquitted. No protests or looting. These types of stories will not whip people into a frenzy and drive ratings though. So they are largely ignored. Although anytime the police abuse their power it should never be ignored.

police abuse of power is not in itself a significant issue unless it involves white policemen abusing minorities. We have institutionalized racism among police in our society- THAT is the story. The rare instances when black cops do something wrong are usually brought up by conservatives who try to use them as examples to disprove what is actually happening, and then complain that they aren't being reported on, which in turn is used to justify their claim of a "liberal media". The reality is these stories get little airplay because they're rare and form no pattern.

These are such gems into your thought process.

 

[Ghost Rider]

police abuse of power is not in itself a significant issue unless it involves white policemen abusing minorities. We have institutionalized racism among police in our society- THAT is the story. The rare instances when black cops do something wrong are usually brought up by conservatives who try to use them as examples to disprove what is actually happening, and then complain that they aren't being reported on, which in turn is used to justify their claim of a "liberal media". The reality is these stories get little airplay because they're rare and form no pattern.

 

[Jim11]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

That might be the most blatant example of police brutality that I've seen. In most police brutality cases the cop can at least make an argument that he was trying to restrain the perp/victim or that the perp/victim posed a threat. This cop, however, just wanted a street fight against a guy who looked like he wanted no part of a street fight.

It was a black cop beating a black man..no biggie.

True. That's likely why the story is only being covered by Addicting Info and not NBC, CBS, and CNN as it would be if the cop were white.

Last fall a black cop in Chicago shot an unarmed black man 9 times and killed him. There was a small blurb about it but nothing nationally. The cop was acquitted. No protests or looting. These types of stories will not whip people into a frenzy and drive ratings though. So they are largely ignored. Although anytime the police abuse their power it should never be ignored.

police abuse of power is not in itself a significant issue unless it involves white policemen abusing minorities. We have institutionalized racism among police in our society- THAT is the story. The rare instances when black cops do something wrong are usually brought up by conservatives who try to use them as examples to disprove what is actually happening, and then complain that they aren't being reported on, which in turn is used to justify their claim of a "liberal media". The reality is these stories get little airplay because they're rare and form no pattern.

For someone who is 50 years old, you seem to be very naive.

 

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Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

That might be the most blatant example of police brutality that I've seen. In most police brutality cases the cop can at least make an argument that he was trying to restrain the perp/victim or that the perp/victim posed a threat. This cop, however, just wanted a street fight against a guy who looked like he wanted no part of a street fight.

Yep. That cop needs to go to jail for a long time.

 

[timschochet]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

That might be the most blatant example of police brutality that I've seen. In most police brutality cases the cop can at least make an argument that he was trying to restrain the perp/victim or that the perp/victim posed a threat. This cop, however, just wanted a street fight against a guy who looked like he wanted no part of a street fight.

It was a black cop beating a black man..no biggie.

True. That's likely why the story is only being covered by Addicting Info and not NBC, CBS, and CNN as it would be if the cop were white.

Last fall a black cop in Chicago shot an unarmed black man 9 times and killed him. There was a small blurb about it but nothing nationally. The cop was acquitted. No protests or looting. These types of stories will not whip people into a frenzy and drive ratings though. So they are largely ignored. Although anytime the police abuse their power it should never be ignored.

police abuse of power is not in itself a significant issue unless it involves white policemen abusing minorities. We have institutionalized racism among police in our society- THAT is the story. The rare instances when black cops do something wrong are usually brought up by conservatives who try to use them as examples to disprove what is actually happening, and then complain that they aren't being reported on, which in turn is used to justify their claim of a "liberal media". The reality is these stories get little airplay because they're rare and form no pattern.

For someone who is 50 years old, you seem to be very naive.

I'm only 49, and my birthday is in June. I have several months yet to gain wisdom!

 

[timschochet]

police abuse of power is not in itself a significant issue unless it involves white policemen abusing minorities. We have institutionalized racism among police in our society- THAT is the story. The rare instances when black cops do something wrong are usually brought up by conservatives who try to use them as examples to disprove what is actually happening, and then complain that they aren't being reported on, which in turn is used to justify their claim of a "liberal media". The reality is these stories get little airplay because they're rare and form no pattern.

These reactions to what I wrote don't surprise me at all. I would simply point out that, often in these sorts of debates, one side brings up new examples that don't match the general rule, and then attempt to argue that those examples negate the general rule. This is not limited to conservatives; every side does it. I've done it in the past. But it's almost always a failing argument.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

police abuse of power is not in itself a significant issue unless it involves white policemen abusing minorities. We have institutionalized racism among police in our society- THAT is the story. The rare instances when black cops do something wrong are usually brought up by conservatives who try to use them as examples to disprove what is actually happening, and then complain that they aren't being reported on, which in turn is used to justify their claim of a "liberal media". The reality is these stories get little airplay because they're rare and form no pattern.

These reactions to what I wrote don't surprise me at all. I would simply point out that, often in these sorts of debates, one side brings up new examples that don't match the general rule, and then attempt to argue that those examples negate the general rule. This is not limited to conservatives; every side does it. I've done it in the past. But it's almost always a failing argument.

Based on your reasoning, it's a failing argument for people to highlight examples of white people committing violent crime against black people when discussing inter-race crime because, as a general rule based on inter-race crime statistics, black people perpetrate violent crime against white people at a far greater rate than white people perpetrate violent crime against black people.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Haven't seen this one around here though maybe I missed it. As bad as the act is the inevitable coverup always seems just as disturbing to me.

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/illinois/lynwood/video-allegedly-shows-lynwood-officer-beating-handcuffed-suspect/article_8a15e8e8-a91c-5b9b-b21a-0ddd0ca9b346.html

 

[timschochet]

police abuse of power is not in itself a significant issue unless it involves white policemen abusing minorities. We have institutionalized racism among police in our society- THAT is the story. The rare instances when black cops do something wrong are usually brought up by conservatives who try to use them as examples to disprove what is actually happening, and then complain that they aren't being reported on, which in turn is used to justify their claim of a "liberal media". The reality is these stories get little airplay because they're rare and form no pattern.

These reactions to what I wrote don't surprise me at all. I would simply point out that, often in these sorts of debates, one side brings up new examples that don't match the general rule, and then attempt to argue that those examples negate the general rule. This is not limited to conservatives; every side does it. I've done it in the past. But it's almost always a failing argument.

Based on your reasoning, it's a failing argument for people to highlight examples of white people committing violent crime against black people when discussing inter-race crime because, as a general rule based on inter-race crime statistics, black people perpetrate violent crime against white people at a far greater rate than white people perpetrate violent crime against black people.

You're correct, IF somebody would be so absurd as to make the argument that there is a problem in this country of white people committing violent crimes against black people as a general rule, OR the opposite. Neither occurs in any amount that would be statistically significant. So let's stick to cases where there ARE relevant issues involved:

There is a belief in this country, which I happen to hold, that among our police there is institutionalized racism against black male youths. Most of the people who believe this, though not all, are liberal-minded. Most of the people who don't believe this, though not all, are conservative-minded. I do not object when those who disagree with this belief make arguments against it based on logic or evidence, though I don't agree the logic, usually. But when they bring up examples of black policemen committing bad acts as a means to disparage the argument, or to ask, "Why aren't we paying attention to THIS?", I hold that's a weak, failing argument, basically equivalent to a surrender IMO. You can't argue the facts so you're left with "they do it too!"

 

[pantagrapher]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

That might be the most blatant example of police brutality that I've seen. In most police brutality cases the cop can at least make an argument that he was trying to restrain the perp/victim or that the perp/victim posed a threat. This cop, however, just wanted a street fight against a guy who looked like he wanted no part of a street fight.

It was a black cop beating a black man..no biggie.

True. That's likely why the story is only being covered by Addicting Info and not NBC, CBS, and CNN as it would be if the cop were white.

Last fall a black cop in Chicago shot an unarmed black man 9 times and killed him. There was a small blurb about it but nothing nationally. The cop was acquitted. No protests or looting. These types of stories will not whip people into a frenzy and drive ratings though. So they are largely ignored. Although anytime the police abuse their power it should never be ignored.

Link? Honestly curious.

A black Chicago cop who stuck his gun in a suspect's mouth was indicted yesterday and has been all over the news.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Why wouldn't we trust what a police officer says happened?

Hundreds of stories and videos just like this...police for the most part cant be trusted to be truthful regarding these situations ...pretty sad

An unfortunate incident for sure, but - in general - I'm not ready to trust the word of criminals over cops just yet.

You authority slobberers are hilarious. Cant wait to fall in line, can you?

Next time you're in trouble, call a criminal instead of the police.