Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (1 Viewer)

[TobiasFunke]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

 

[Road Warriors]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

Surprisingly, the parties that had previously decided the officer was justified fully believed the most recent leaks. :shocked:

 

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Operation Ferguson posted the following on Twitter yesterday along with many more subsequent tweets on the topic. Interesting Twitter feed, but I'm not sure how reliable it is. Take it with a grain of salt.

Operation Ferguson @OpFerguson · 13 hrs13 hours ago
LEAKED: Based on 2 reliable confidential sources we now confirm an imminent announcement that the Grand Jury will NOT indict Darren Wilson.
Operation Ferguson @OpFerguson · 13 hrs13 hours ago
LEAKED: Our sources indicate that virtually every local police agency as well as the National Guard and all local jails are on high alert.


Operation Ferguson @OpFerguson · 13 hrs13 hours ago Our best theory based on the data is some short time after Election Day. | @darlenemcki
https://twitter.com/OpFerguson

Time to hit up AVNforums and brush up on the latest bigscreen features

 

[avoiding injuries]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

Surprisingly, the parties that had previously decided the officer was justified fully believed the most recent leaks. :shocked:

While those who didn't don't. Are you just joining us here on page 111?

 

[lod01]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

Actually a few of us think logically. Logic says this criminal came at Wilson thinking Wilson was onto his (just committed robbery) and Wilson pulled his firearm and finished this criminal off.

And what is with the 'unarmed' BS? Who cares if he was unarmed, he attacked Wilson in his car. Of course your article speculates differently but logic tells smart people that the criminal attacked the officer.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Operation Ferguson posted the following on Twitter yesterday along with many more subsequent tweets on the topic. Interesting Twitter feed, but I'm not sure how reliable it is. Take it with a grain of salt.

Operation Ferguson @OpFerguson · 13 hrs13 hours ago
LEAKED: Based on 2 reliable confidential sources we now confirm an imminent announcement that the Grand Jury will NOT indict Darren Wilson.
Operation Ferguson @OpFerguson · 13 hrs13 hours ago
LEAKED: Our sources indicate that virtually every local police agency as well as the National Guard and all local jails are on high alert.


Operation Ferguson @OpFerguson · 13 hrs13 hours ago Our best theory based on the data is some short time after Election Day. | @darlenemcki
https://twitter.com/OpFerguson

I just clicked on the link to the Operation Ferguson Twitter feed and I saw that they posted the below about an hour ago...

1. Anonymous Operation Ferguson: Grand Jury Leak
3. Monday - October 27, 2014 3:00 PM ET USA
5. Last night we announced that we have received over the past several days a series of leaks from two separate and unrelated sources regarding the long awaited Grand Jury decision regarding the murder of Mike Brown by Ferguson PD Officer Darren Wilson. In our opinion after careful analysis the sources are reliable, and the information we are about to reveal is true. Both sources are government employees with access to both internal government as well as confidential police communications. For reasons of safety we will not be revealing anything further on either our sources or the material leaked to us. The following is a synopses of the leaked information:
7. On or about November 10, 2014 the Grand Jury decision will be announced. Darren Wilson will NOT be indicted on ANY charges related to the murder of Mike Brown. All local police Chiefs and jail commanders have been notified to begin preparing for major civil unrest. Governor Nixon has been notified of the impending announcement and has ordered the Missouri National Guard to begin preparations for a possible re-enstatement of the martial law that was declared at the beginning of the Ferguson protests.
9. As additional evidence that neither the State nor Federal authorities intend any legal action against Darren Wilson for the murder of Mike Brown, one of our sources has provided a very intriguing close up glimpse of Darren Wilson - his current where abouts and lifestyle.
11. Darren Wilson is still in the St. Louis area and recently attended a Blues game. He has been made aware of the impending Grand Jury and US DOJ decisions in his favor and is now comfortable enough that he has just closed purchase on a new home in the south county area. He is still co-habitating with his girl friend "Barbie", who is now pregnant with their first child. I guess his paid vacation for murder has been productive in more ways then one.
13. In an attempt to "protect" himself, Darren Wilson has altered his appearance. His hairline & hair color have been altered and he has grown a substantial beard. He is operating under the alias "Darren Obrien" or another false identity.
15. Finally on an un-related note. "Josie" who called into a radio station during the early days of the Ferguson protests and purported to give Darren Wilson's "side" of the story, from which many conservative media outlets (such as FOX News) have since spun the most outlandish falsehoods - has been identified as an account assistant at Javelin, Inc. and is associated with the Ferguson PD. We are still gathering info on this person and what exactly her relationship is with the FPD and her interest in Mike Brown's murder.
17. As more information is leaked to us we will update this document. Please follow us on Twitter @OpFerguson and visit our website at www.OperationFerguson.cf where this leak and other valuable information related to the Ferguson Movement is posted and regularly updated.

 

[Road Warriors]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

Actually a few of us think logically. Logic says this criminal came at Wilson thinking Wilson was onto his (just committed robbery) and Wilson pulled his firearm and finished this criminal off.

And what is with the 'unarmed' BS? Who cares if he was unarmed, he attacked Wilson in his car. Of course your article speculates differently but logic tells smart people that the criminal attacked the officer.

And damn any evidence to the contrary! We're SMART!

 

[Henry Ford]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

Actually a few of us think logically. Logic says this criminal came at Wilson thinking Wilson was onto his (just committed robbery) and Wilson pulled his firearm and finished this criminal off.

And what is with the 'unarmed' BS? Who cares if he was unarmed, he attacked Wilson in his car. Of course your article speculates differently but logic tells smart people that the criminal attacked the officer.

You keep using that word...

 

[TobiasFunke]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

Surprisingly, the parties that had previously decided the officer was justified fully believed the most recent leaks. :shocked:

While those who realize that every leak is done for a reason didn't don't. Are you just joining us here on page 111?

It's not about who you believe or don't believe- it's about common sense. I have no idea what happened (and also think it's a lot less important than the behavior of the police following the incident). But I know that when leaks happen, they happen because someone is using them to further a specific agenda. You don't even have to care about politics/media to understand that. People who are into fantasy football (i.e. almost all of us) saw what happened with DeSean Jackson and Percy Harvin in the last year. Did people think it was just coincidence that all that negative stuff was leaked about those guys right after they were released? Of course not- the teams painted an incomplete picture of those players in order to convince their fans that they'd made the right move.

 

[boots11234]

Sad that these witnesses who are standing up for the officer will probably have to leave the area once they are identified. If they could have come out right away in defense of the officer, none of this current BS would even be going on. They know it but are also smart enough to know what happens when they are identified.

Your a racist implying that vengeance will be the outcome of the judicial process.

Simply using thewitnesses own concerns as stated to the grand jury, pal. You would be the racist by proclaiming my statement is because I'm racist.Also, you are way overmatched against me. You'd be best just fading into the background.

Lol @ way overmatched!! Good line especially when combined with the fading part. Just to bring you up to speed, it's grandpa who's the racist according to the liberals....and Tim who claims he's not a liberal but would entertain forgiving all student debt.

 

[[icon]]

It's good to see the grand jury came to the right decision in light of the evidence, and didn't cave to social pressure to unjustifiably impact an officer's career over this.

 

[timschochet]

It's good to see the grand jury came to the right decision in light of the evidence, and didn't cave to social pressure to unjustifiably impact an officer's career over this.

they haven't come to any decision, have they? And since you, like the rest of us, aren't privy to everything the grand jury saw, how can you possibly know what the right decision would be?

 

[Henry Ford]

It's good to see the grand jury came to the right decision in light of the evidence, and didn't cave to social pressure to unjustifiably impact an officer's career over this.

Link?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

Surprisingly, the parties that had previously decided the officer was justified fully believed the most recent leaks. :shocked:

While those who realize that every leak is done for a reason didn't don't. Are you just joining us here on page 111?

It's not about who you believe or don't believe- it's about common sense. I have no idea what happened (and also think it's a lot less important than the behavior of the police following the incident). But I know that when leaks happen, they happen because someone is using them to further a specific agenda. You don't even have to care about politics/media to understand that. People who are into fantasy football (i.e. almost all of us) saw what happened with DeSean Jackson and Percy Harvin in the last year. Did people think it was just coincidence that all that negative stuff was leaked about those guys right after they were released? Of course not- the teams painted an incomplete picture of those players in order to convince their fans that they'd made the right move.

Even if Wilson acted completely reasonably and this shooting was 100% justified, the Ferguson PD deserves nothing but criticism for the way they handled things after the shooting.

 

[Widbil83]

Darren Wilson is still in the St. Louis area and recently attended a Blues game. He has been made aware of the impending Grand Jury and US DOJ decisions in his favor and is now comfortable enough that he has just closed purchase on a new home in the south county area. He is still co-habitating with his girl friend "Barbie", who is now pregnant with their first child. I guess his paid vacation for murder has been productive in more ways then one.

Oh come on!

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

Surprisingly, the parties that had previously decided the officer was justified fully believed the most recent leaks. :shocked:

While those who realize that every leak is done for a reason didn't don't. Are you just joining us here on page 111?

It's not about who you believe or don't believe- it's about common sense. I have no idea what happened (and also think it's a lot less important than the behavior of the police following the incident). But I know that when leaks happen, they happen because someone is using them to further a specific agenda. You don't even have to care about politics/media to understand that. People who are into fantasy football (i.e. almost all of us) saw what happened with DeSean Jackson and Percy Harvin in the last year. Did people think it was just coincidence that all that negative stuff was leaked about those guys right after they were released? Of course not- the teams painted an incomplete picture of those players in order to convince their fans that they'd made the right move.

Even if Wilson acted completely reasonably and this shooting was 100% justified, the Ferguson PD deserves nothing but criticism for the way they handled things after the shooting.

amazing pic moments after the shooting...the distance that browns body is from the cruiser is shocking...unarmed and fleeing...then shot 6 times...no wonder people are upset

 

[parasaurolophus]

Oops.

If you listened to the media reports this past week, it would appear that evidence had come forward to exonerate Officer Darren Wilson in the death of teen Michael Brown in August. It began when the St. Louis Dispatch ran an article titled “Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system” and quickly propagated throughout the net. If you read it, or the articles based on it, the impression was that the coroner who handled the autopsy had found that Michael Brown had attempted to grab Officer Wilson’s gun, and in so doing the officer was justified in the use of force which resulted in Michael’s death. They even included quotes from a forensics expert, Dr, Judy Melinek, which appeared to indicate familiarity with the case, and justification of the teens untimely death.

Problem is, the autopsy report says nothing of the sort.

Instead, the story as put down in the report damns Officer Wilson. In the report, the evidence fit with Officer Wilson having unholstered his weapon and discharge it, still in the car, against an unarmed teen. It did find that Michael Brown had been exposed to cannabis at least 24 hours earlier, based on his blood and urine toxicology. The amount found, 12 nanograms of delta-9-thc in his blood along with over 150 nanograms of 11-Nor-Delta-9-THC-cooh, at his BMI of over 34, denoted someone who had smoked two cannabis blunts the day before, and at least 4 more over the prior week. Not exactly someone who was a hard core drug offender. But it was above the point of impairment for driving. Thankfully, Michael Brown was walking that day.

Now, many news sites ran with the claim that Michael Brown reached for officer Wilson’s gun. But the autopsy report tells a very different story. The only shot which indicated it was close to Officer Wilson, by having a powder burn or residue, was a burn on the inside of Michael Brown’s thumb, along with a bullet graze, which ran straight down the inside, across his thumbprint. Visualize just a moment, a bullet, in close proximity, so close that it could burn your thumb just below the knuckle, with the bullet heading straight out, away from the hand. A bullet coming out of a barrel likely touching the thumb at the knuckle joint, based on the description.

A thumb attached to a hand which had to be underneath the gun, pushing it upward, for the bullet to travel along that path.


That is not a hand placement for reaching into a car to grab a gun at all. That is not a hand position for wrestling a gun away from someone. That is a hand placement for pushing an already drawn sidearm up and out-of-the-way – a defensive move as someone is attempting to level it at you in order to kill you. It is unknown if Michael Brown had taken any self-defense classes, but this is a valid defensive response when ones life is in danger – to defend against the aggressor as best they can. This means however that Officer Wilson had drawn his sidearm against an unarmed teen before the situation had escalated, something also mentioned directly in the autopsy report. This would imply that Officer Wilson purposefully and willfully engaged with Michael Brown, with the result that the 18-year-old lost his life.

Every other injury to Michael Brown lacked any trace of firearm residue, meaning that they all happened at distance – away from the vehicle. The defenders of Darren Wilson therefore are defending the officers rights to engage in murder, so long as they can come up with a justification post-mortem.

As for the forensics expert, turned out that the St. Louis Post-Dispatch had completely misrepresented her in their piece. On “The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnel” Dr. Melinek blasted the St. Louis Post-Dispatch for their complete misrepresentation of her statements and went on the record with her findings based on the autopsy report.

At this time, no apology from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch over their gross misrepresentation of the statements given has been released, and it is quite probable that none will be. As for Officer Wilson, he now has even more to explain, such as why he was aiming a loaded firearm at an unarmed teenager through his patrol car window. There is no plausible explanation for such an action that anyone is yet aware of. It is now on Officer Wilson to explain his actions that afternoon in August.

Well I guess it is officially decided then. I mean if addictinginfo.com says so, It must be irrefutable.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

Surprisingly, the parties that had previously decided the officer was justified fully believed the most recent leaks. :shocked:

While those who realize that every leak is done for a reason didn't don't. Are you just joining us here on page 111?

It's not about who you believe or don't believe- it's about common sense. I have no idea what happened (and also think it's a lot less important than the behavior of the police following the incident). But I know that when leaks happen, they happen because someone is using them to further a specific agenda. You don't even have to care about politics/media to understand that. People who are into fantasy football (i.e. almost all of us) saw what happened with DeSean Jackson and Percy Harvin in the last year. Did people think it was just coincidence that all that negative stuff was leaked about those guys right after they were released? Of course not- the teams painted an incomplete picture of those players in order to convince their fans that they'd made the right move.

Even if Wilson acted completely reasonably and this shooting was 100% justified, the Ferguson PD deserves nothing but criticism for the way they handled things after the shooting.

amazing pic moments after the shooting...the distance that browns body is from the cruiser is shocking...unarmed and fleeing...then shot 6 times...no wonder people are upset

The distance between Brown and the cruiser is irrelevant. The distance between Brown and Wilson at the time of the shooting is relevant. The distance between Brown and the cruiser tells us nothing about the distance between Brown and Wilson at the time of the shooting.

 

[Henry Ford]

Oops.

If you listened to the media reports this past week, it would appear that evidence had come forward to exonerate Officer Darren Wilson in the death of teen Michael Brown in August. It began when the St. Louis Dispatch ran an article titled Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system and quickly propagated throughout the net. If you read it, or the articles based on it, the impression was that the coroner who handled the autopsy had found that Michael Brown had attempted to grab Officer Wilsons gun, and in so doing the officer was justified in the use of force which resulted in Michaels death. They even included quotes from a forensics expert, Dr, Judy Melinek, which appeared to indicate familiarity with the case, and justification of the teens untimely death.

Problem is, the autopsy report says nothing of the sort.

Instead, the story as put down in the report damns Officer Wilson. In the report, the evidence fit with Officer Wilson having unholstered his weapon and discharge it, still in the car, against an unarmed teen. It did find that Michael Brown had been exposed to cannabis at least 24 hours earlier, based on his blood and urine toxicology. The amount found, 12 nanograms of delta-9-thc in his blood along with over 150 nanograms of 11-Nor-Delta-9-THC-cooh, at his BMI of over 34, denoted someone who had smoked two cannabis blunts the day before, and at least 4 more over the prior week. Not exactly someone who was a hard core drug offender. But it was above the point of impairment for driving. Thankfully, Michael Brown was walking that day.

Now, many news sites ran with the claim that Michael Brown reached for officer Wilsons gun. But the autopsy report tells a very different story. The only shot which indicated it was close to Officer Wilson, by having a powder burn or residue, was a burn on the inside of Michael Browns thumb, along with a bullet graze, which ran straight down the inside, across his thumbprint. Visualize just a moment, a bullet, in close proximity, so close that it could burn your thumb just below the knuckle, with the bullet heading straight out, away from the hand. A bullet coming out of a barrel likely touching the thumb at the knuckle joint, based on the description.

A thumb attached to a hand which had to be underneath the gun, pushing it upward, for the bullet to travel along that path.



That is not a hand placement for reaching into a car to grab a gun at all. That is not a hand position for wrestling a gun away from someone. That is a hand placement for pushing an already drawn sidearm up and out-of-the-way a defensive move as someone is attempting to level it at you in order to kill you. It is unknown if Michael Brown had taken any self-defense classes, but this is a valid defensive response when ones life is in danger to defend against the aggressor as best they can. This means however that Officer Wilson had drawn his sidearm against an unarmed teen before the situation had escalated, something also mentioned directly in the autopsy report. This would imply that Officer Wilson purposefully and willfully engaged with Michael Brown, with the result that the 18-year-old lost his life.

Every other injury to Michael Brown lacked any trace of firearm residue, meaning that they all happened at distance away from the vehicle. The defenders of Darren Wilson therefore are defending the officers rights to engage in murder, so long as they can come up with a justification post-mortem.

As for the forensics expert, turned out that the St. Louis Post-Dispatch had completely misrepresented her in their piece. On The Last Word with Lawrence ODonnel Dr. Melinek blasted the St. Louis Post-Dispatch for their complete misrepresentation of her statements and went on the record with her findings based on the autopsy report.


At this time, no apology from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch over their gross misrepresentation of the statements given has been released, and it is quite probable that none will be. As for Officer Wilson, he now has even more to explain, such as why he was aiming a loaded firearm at an unarmed teenager through his patrol car window. There is no plausible explanation for such an action that anyone is yet aware of. It is now on Officer Wilson to explain his actions that afternoon in August.

Well I guess it is officially decided then. I mean if addictinginfo.com says so, It must be irrefutable.

If only they provided a copy of the autopsy report or a video of the examiner so we could form our own opinions.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Oops.

If you listened to the media reports this past week, it would appear that evidence had come forward to exonerate Officer Darren Wilson in the death of teen Michael Brown in August. It began when the St. Louis Dispatch ran an article titled Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system and quickly propagated throughout the net. If you read it, or the articles based on it, the impression was that the coroner who handled the autopsy had found that Michael Brown had attempted to grab Officer Wilsons gun, and in so doing the officer was justified in the use of force which resulted in Michaels death. They even included quotes from a forensics expert, Dr, Judy Melinek, which appeared to indicate familiarity with the case, and justification of the teens untimely death.

Problem is, the autopsy report says nothing of the sort.

Instead, the story as put down in the report damns Officer Wilson. In the report, the evidence fit with Officer Wilson having unholstered his weapon and discharge it, still in the car, against an unarmed teen. It did find that Michael Brown had been exposed to cannabis at least 24 hours earlier, based on his blood and urine toxicology. The amount found, 12 nanograms of delta-9-thc in his blood along with over 150 nanograms of 11-Nor-Delta-9-THC-cooh, at his BMI of over 34, denoted someone who had smoked two cannabis blunts the day before, and at least 4 more over the prior week. Not exactly someone who was a hard core drug offender. But it was above the point of impairment for driving. Thankfully, Michael Brown was walking that day.

Now, many news sites ran with the claim that Michael Brown reached for officer Wilsons gun. But the autopsy report tells a very different story. The only shot which indicated it was close to Officer Wilson, by having a powder burn or residue, was a burn on the inside of Michael Browns thumb, along with a bullet graze, which ran straight down the inside, across his thumbprint. Visualize just a moment, a bullet, in close proximity, so close that it could burn your thumb just below the knuckle, with the bullet heading straight out, away from the hand. A bullet coming out of a barrel likely touching the thumb at the knuckle joint, based on the description.

A thumb attached to a hand which had to be underneath the gun, pushing it upward, for the bullet to travel along that path.

That is not a hand placement for reaching into a car to grab a gun at all. That is not a hand position for wrestling a gun away from someone. That is a hand placement for pushing an already drawn sidearm up and out-of-the-way a defensive move as someone is attempting to level it at you in order to kill you. It is unknown if Michael Brown had taken any self-defense classes, but this is a valid defensive response when ones life is in danger to defend against the aggressor as best they can. This means however that Officer Wilson had drawn his sidearm against an unarmed teen before the situation had escalated, something also mentioned directly in the autopsy report. This would imply that Officer Wilson purposefully and willfully engaged with Michael Brown, with the result that the 18-year-old lost his life.

Every other injury to Michael Brown lacked any trace of firearm residue, meaning that they all happened at distance away from the vehicle. The defenders of Darren Wilson therefore are defending the officers rights to engage in murder, so long as they can come up with a justification post-mortem.

As for the forensics expert, turned out that the St. Louis Post-Dispatch had completely misrepresented her in their piece. On The Last Word with Lawrence ODonnel Dr. Melinek blasted the St. Louis Post-Dispatch for their complete misrepresentation of her statements and went on the record with her findings based on the autopsy report.

At this time, no apology from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch over their gross misrepresentation of the statements given has been released, and it is quite probable that none will be. As for Officer Wilson, he now has even more to explain, such as why he was aiming a loaded firearm at an unarmed teenager through his patrol car window. There is no plausible explanation for such an action that anyone is yet aware of. It is now on Officer Wilson to explain his actions that afternoon in August.

Well I guess it is officially decided then. I mean if addictinginfo.com says so, It must be irrefutable.

If only they provided a copy of the autopsy report or a video of the examiner so we could form our own opinions.

That is pretty much my point. This guy took the autopsy report and decided it said what he wanted and wrote that. As if there was no other way that the gunshot could have happened. The only way was the gun must have been drawn and the poor defenseless completely non aggressive michael brown had to have only been reaching for it to deflect a bullet that was inevitably coming his way. That was the narrative. And since he linked the autopsy report, he must be right.

You then lapped it up and even bolded the statements you thought were the most inflammatory.

He even makes it seem like the forensic expert didnt say what she said. In reality she definitely did say it. She just also said other things that they left out. She admits that there are other possibilities.

Instead, the story as put down in the report damns Officer Wilson

This was my favorite. You felt strongly enough that you bolded it.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

Surprisingly, the parties that had previously decided the officer was justified fully believed the most recent leaks. :shocked:

While those who realize that every leak is done for a reason didn't don't. Are you just joining us here on page 111?

It's not about who you believe or don't believe- it's about common sense. I have no idea what happened (and also think it's a lot less important than the behavior of the police following the incident). But I know that when leaks happen, they happen because someone is using them to further a specific agenda. You don't even have to care about politics/media to understand that. People who are into fantasy football (i.e. almost all of us) saw what happened with DeSean Jackson and Percy Harvin in the last year. Did people think it was just coincidence that all that negative stuff was leaked about those guys right after they were released? Of course not- the teams painted an incomplete picture of those players in order to convince their fans that they'd made the right move.

Even if Wilson acted completely reasonably and this shooting was 100% justified, the Ferguson PD deserves nothing but criticism for the way they handled things after the shooting.

amazing pic moments after the shooting...the distance that browns body is from the cruiser is shocking...unarmed and fleeing...then shot 6 times...no wonder people are upset

The distance between Brown and the cruiser is irrelevant. The distance between Brown and Wilson at the time of the shooting is relevant. The distance between Brown and the cruiser tells us nothing about the distance between Brown and Wilson at the time of the shooting.

Actually it does tell us something - both sides can use the information.

On one hand, the distance shows that Brown was fleeing - cops are entitled to shoot fleeing felon suspects. And, if Wilson is to be believed, Brown assaulted a police officer, and tried to take his weapon - not positive, but I'd bet that is a felony on Missouri.

But, the notion that Brown was fleeing suggests he was afraid of officer Wilson, and more specifically Officer Wilson's weapon. So, most witness accounts have Brown stopping and turning toward Officer Wilson - it seems unlikely that Brown would have a change of heart, after putting that much distance between himself and officer Wilson, that he would not decide to bum rush the officer holding the gun - given that Brown had already been shot once. It also refutes the notion that he was fleeing at the moment of the shooting.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

Surprisingly, the parties that had previously decided the officer was justified fully believed the most recent leaks. :shocked:

While those who realize that every leak is done for a reason didn't don't. Are you just joining us here on page 111?

It's not about who you believe or don't believe- it's about common sense. I have no idea what happened (and also think it's a lot less important than the behavior of the police following the incident). But I know that when leaks happen, they happen because someone is using them to further a specific agenda. You don't even have to care about politics/media to understand that. People who are into fantasy football (i.e. almost all of us) saw what happened with DeSean Jackson and Percy Harvin in the last year. Did people think it was just coincidence that all that negative stuff was leaked about those guys right after they were released? Of course not- the teams painted an incomplete picture of those players in order to convince their fans that they'd made the right move.

Even if Wilson acted completely reasonably and this shooting was 100% justified, the Ferguson PD deserves nothing but criticism for the way they handled things after the shooting.

amazing pic moments after the shooting...the distance that browns body is from the cruiser is shocking...unarmed and fleeing...then shot 6 times...no wonder people are upset

The distance between Brown and the cruiser is irrelevant. The distance between Brown and Wilson at the time of the shooting is relevant. The distance between Brown and the cruiser tells us nothing about the distance between Brown and Wilson at the time of the shooting.

Actually it does tell us something - both sides can use the information.

On one hand, the distance shows that Brown was fleeing - cops are entitled to shoot fleeing felon suspects. And, if Wilson is to be believed, Brown assaulted a police officer, and tried to take his weapon - not positive, but I'd bet that is a felony on Missouri.

But, the notion that Brown was fleeing suggests he was afraid of officer Wilson, and more specifically Officer Wilson's weapon. So, most witness accounts have Brown stopping and turning toward Officer Wilson - it seems unlikely that Brown would have a change of heart, after putting that much distance between himself and officer Wilson, that he would not decide to bum rush the officer holding the gun - given that Brown had already been shot once. It also refutes the notion that he was fleeing at the moment of the shooting.

"On one hand, the distance shows that Brown was fleeing" -- Whether Brown initially attempted to flee is not in dispute, and is not particularly relevant at the time of the shooting. Wilson allegedly testified that Brown ran away, but contends that Brown doubled back and was approaching Wilson at the moment of the shooting . Winess account that contradict Wilson's testimony have Brown stopped and facing Wilson at the moment of the shooting. Nobody is arguing that Brown was actively fleeing at the moment of the shooting. In any event, police officers are allowed to pursue fleeing suspects.

"the notion that Brown was fleeing suggests he was afraid of officer Wilson" -- Not necessarily. Brown fleeing could simply mean that Brown didn't want to get arrested.

"most witness accounts have Brown stopping and turning toward Officer Wilson" -- As someone pointed out earlier, we don't know what most sworn witnesses at the Grand Jury testified to regarding whether Brown was stopped or moving forward. We do know, however, that Brown was turned toward Wilson based on the forensic bullet wound evidence.

"it seems unlikely that Brown would have a change of heart" -- Unlikely events do happen. It's also unlikley that someone would punch a police officer or wrestle with a police officer for control of his gun.

"It also refutes the notion that he was fleeing at the moment of the shooting" -- Once again, that's not in dispute. Per all accounts, Brown was either stopped and facing Wilson or Brown was facing Wilson and approaching him.

 

[kentric]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

Surprisingly, the parties that had previously decided the officer was justified fully believed the most recent leaks. :shocked:

While those who realize that every leak is done for a reason didn't don't. Are you just joining us here on page 111?

It's not about who you believe or don't believe- it's about common sense. I have no idea what happened (and also think it's a lot less important than the behavior of the police following the incident). But I know that when leaks happen, they happen because someone is using them to further a specific agenda. You don't even have to care about politics/media to understand that. People who are into fantasy football (i.e. almost all of us) saw what happened with DeSean Jackson and Percy Harvin in the last year. Did people think it was just coincidence that all that negative stuff was leaked about those guys right after they were released? Of course not- the teams painted an incomplete picture of those players in order to convince their fans that they'd made the right move.

Even if Wilson acted completely reasonably and this shooting was 100% justified, the Ferguson PD deserves nothing but criticism for the way they handled things after the shooting.

amazing pic moments after the shooting...the distance that browns body is from the cruiser is shocking...unarmed and fleeing...then shot 6 times...no wonder people are upset

The distance between Brown and the cruiser is irrelevant. The distance between Brown and Wilson at the time of the shooting is relevant. The distance between Brown and the cruiser tells us nothing about the distance between Brown and Wilson at the time of the shooting.

Actually it does tell us something - both sides can use the information.

On one hand, the distance shows that Brown was fleeing - cops are entitled to shoot fleeing felon suspects. And, if Wilson is to be believed, Brown assaulted a police officer, and tried to take his weapon - not positive, but I'd bet that is a felony on Missouri.

But, the notion that Brown was fleeing suggests he was afraid of officer Wilson, and more specifically Officer Wilson's weapon. So, most witness accounts have Brown stopping and turning toward Officer Wilson - it seems unlikely that Brown would have a change of heart, after putting that much distance between himself and officer Wilson, that he would not decide to bum rush the officer holding the gun - given that Brown had already been shot once. It also refutes the notion that he was fleeing at the moment of the shooting.

The bullet wounds reflect that Brown was turned around when he was shot. Whether that was because he was winded from the fight and running away and turned around to give himself up (possibly putting his arms up in a surrender stance) or, losing it and idiotically deciding to rush Wilson, we don't know yet.

 

[Henry Ford]

Oops.

If you listened to the media reports this past week, it would appear that evidence had come forward to exonerate Officer Darren Wilson in the death of teen Michael Brown in August. It began when the St. Louis Dispatch ran an article titled Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system and quickly propagated throughout the net. If you read it, or the articles based on it, the impression was that the coroner who handled the autopsy had found that Michael Brown had attempted to grab Officer Wilsons gun, and in so doing the officer was justified in the use of force which resulted in Michaels death. They even included quotes from a forensics expert, Dr, Judy Melinek, which appeared to indicate familiarity with the case, and justification of the teens untimely death.

Problem is, the autopsy report says nothing of the sort.

Instead, the story as put down in the report damns Officer Wilson. In the report, the evidence fit with Officer Wilson having unholstered his weapon and discharge it, still in the car, against an unarmed teen. It did find that Michael Brown had been exposed to cannabis at least 24 hours earlier, based on his blood and urine toxicology. The amount found, 12 nanograms of delta-9-thc in his blood along with over 150 nanograms of 11-Nor-Delta-9-THC-cooh, at his BMI of over 34, denoted someone who had smoked two cannabis blunts the day before, and at least 4 more over the prior week. Not exactly someone who was a hard core drug offender. But it was above the point of impairment for driving. Thankfully, Michael Brown was walking that day.

Now, many news sites ran with the claim that Michael Brown reached for officer Wilsons gun. But the autopsy report tells a very different story. The only shot which indicated it was close to Officer Wilson, by having a powder burn or residue, was a burn on the inside of Michael Browns thumb, along with a bullet graze, which ran straight down the inside, across his thumbprint. Visualize just a moment, a bullet, in close proximity, so close that it could burn your thumb just below the knuckle, with the bullet heading straight out, away from the hand. A bullet coming out of a barrel likely touching the thumb at the knuckle joint, based on the description.

A thumb attached to a hand which had to be underneath the gun, pushing it upward, for the bullet to travel along that path.

That is not a hand placement for reaching into a car to grab a gun at all. That is not a hand position for wrestling a gun away from someone. That is a hand placement for pushing an already drawn sidearm up and out-of-the-way a defensive move as someone is attempting to level it at you in order to kill you. It is unknown if Michael Brown had taken any self-defense classes, but this is a valid defensive response when ones life is in danger to defend against the aggressor as best they can. This means however that Officer Wilson had drawn his sidearm against an unarmed teen before the situation had escalated, something also mentioned directly in the autopsy report. This would imply that Officer Wilson purposefully and willfully engaged with Michael Brown, with the result that the 18-year-old lost his life.

Every other injury to Michael Brown lacked any trace of firearm residue, meaning that they all happened at distance away from the vehicle. The defenders of Darren Wilson therefore are defending the officers rights to engage in murder, so long as they can come up with a justification post-mortem.

As for the forensics expert, turned out that the St. Louis Post-Dispatch had completely misrepresented her in their piece. On The Last Word with Lawrence ODonnel Dr. Melinek blasted the St. Louis Post-Dispatch for their complete misrepresentation of her statements and went on the record with her findings based on the autopsy report.

At this time, no apology from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch over their gross misrepresentation of the statements given has been released, and it is quite probable that none will be. As for Officer Wilson, he now has even more to explain, such as why he was aiming a loaded firearm at an unarmed teenager through his patrol car window. There is no plausible explanation for such an action that anyone is yet aware of. It is now on Officer Wilson to explain his actions that afternoon in August.

Well I guess it is officially decided then. I mean if addictinginfo.com says so, It must be irrefutable.

If only they provided a copy of the autopsy report or a video of the examiner so we could form our own opinions.

That is pretty much my point. This guy took the autopsy report and decided it said what he wanted and wrote that. As if there was no other way that the gunshot could have happened. The only way was the gun must have been drawn and the poor defenseless completely non aggressive michael brown had to have only been reaching for it to deflect a bullet that was inevitably coming his way. That was the narrative. And since he linked the autopsy report, he must be right.

You then lapped it up and even bolded the statements you thought were the most inflammatory.

He even makes it seem like the forensic expert didnt say what she said. In reality she definitely did say it. She just also said other things that they left out. She admits that there are other possibilities.

Instead, the story as put down in the report damns Officer Wilson

This was my favorite. You felt strongly enough that you bolded it.

It sure has me rolling.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Wait ... there were people who thought they were getting an accurate picture of the evidence from selectively leaked grand jury testimony?

Seriously?

Surprisingly, the parties that had previously decided the officer was justified fully believed the most recent leaks. :shocked:

While those who realize that every leak is done for a reason didn't don't. Are you just joining us here on page 111?

It's not about who you believe or don't believe- it's about common sense. I have no idea what happened (and also think it's a lot less important than the behavior of the police following the incident). But I know that when leaks happen, they happen because someone is using them to further a specific agenda. You don't even have to care about politics/media to understand that. People who are into fantasy football (i.e. almost all of us) saw what happened with DeSean Jackson and Percy Harvin in the last year. Did people think it was just coincidence that all that negative stuff was leaked about those guys right after they were released? Of course not- the teams painted an incomplete picture of those players in order to convince their fans that they'd made the right move.

Even if Wilson acted completely reasonably and this shooting was 100% justified, the Ferguson PD deserves nothing but criticism for the way they handled things after the shooting.

amazing pic moments after the shooting...the distance that browns body is from the cruiser is shocking...unarmed and fleeing...then shot 6 times...no wonder people are upset

The distance between Brown and the cruiser is irrelevant. The distance between Brown and Wilson at the time of the shooting is relevant. The distance between Brown and the cruiser tells us nothing about the distance between Brown and Wilson at the time of the shooting.

Actually it does tell us something - both sides can use the information.

On one hand, the distance shows that Brown was fleeing - cops are entitled to shoot fleeing felon suspects. And, if Wilson is to be believed, Brown assaulted a police officer, and tried to take his weapon - not positive, but I'd bet that is a felony on Missouri.

But, the notion that Brown was fleeing suggests he was afraid of officer Wilson, and more specifically Officer Wilson's weapon. So, most witness accounts have Brown stopping and turning toward Officer Wilson - it seems unlikely that Brown would have a change of heart, after putting that much distance between himself and officer Wilson, that he would not decide to bum rush the officer holding the gun - given that Brown had already been shot once. It also refutes the notion that he was fleeing at the moment of the shooting.

"On one hand, the distance shows that Brown was fleeing" -- Whether Brown initially attempted to flee is not in dispute, and is not particularly relevant at the time of the shooting. Wilson allegedly testified that Brown ran away, but contends that Brown doubled back and was approaching Wilson at the moment of the shooting . Winess account that contradict Wilson's testimony have Brown stopped and facing Wilson at the moment of the shooting. Nobody is arguing that Brown was actively fleeing at the moment of the shooting. In any event, police officers are allowed to pursue fleeing suspects.

RIF - fleeing suspect = good for Wilson, which is what I said. Not only can police pursue fleeing suspects, they can shoot to kill fleeing felony suspects.

"the notion that Brown was fleeing suggests he was afraid of officer Wilson" -- Not necessarily. Brown fleeing could simply mean that Brown didn't want to get arrested.

Don't be so ####### stupid. He just got shot. Use some common sense and think about what he was most likely concerned about at that moment.

"most witness accounts have Brown stopping and turning toward Officer Wilson" -- As someone pointed out earlier, we don't know what most sworn witnesses at the Grand Jury testified to regarding whether Brown was stopped or moving forward. We do know, however, that Brown was turned toward Wilson based on the forensic bullet wound evidence.

Isn't that exactly what I sad? He stopped fleeing, he turned around toward Wilson, he was shot. Do you like arguing with walls?

"it seems unlikely that Brown would have a change of heart" -- Unlikely events do happen. It's also unlikley that someone would punch a police officer or wrestle with a police officer for control of his gun.

I agree, which is why I think it is unlikely that Brown "wrestled a police officer for control of his gun." I am glad you are starting to see things my way.

"It also refutes the notion that he was fleeing at the moment of the shooting" -- Once again, that's not in dispute. Per all accounts, Brown was either stopped and facing Wilson or Brown was facing Wilson and approaching him.

Police are entitled to shoot suspects in limited circumstances - a fleeing felon is one of those circumstances. As long as we agree that Wilson was not authorized to shoot to kill on that basis, I think we can move on.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

"the notion that Brown was fleeing suggests he was afraid of officer Wilson" -- Not necessarily. Brown fleeing could simply mean that Brown didn't want to get arrested.

Don't be so ####### stupid. He just got shot. Use some common sense and think about what he was most likely concerned about at that moment.

Why take it so personally, man? I thought that we were having a nice discussion based on what the facts may possibly show. Brown fleeing may have been motivated primarily by fear of Wilson or it may have been motivated primarily by a desire to not get arrested. We don't know. The fact is that you can't read Brown's mind at the time of his fleeing to say definitively that safety over freedom was the primary concern.

Not that it really matters. If fear was the primary factor for fleeing, you're right, it's unlikley that someone would rush back toward that which they fear. Likewise, if freedom was the primary factor for fleeing, then it's unlikley that someone would rush back toward that which may take their freedom. As stated earlier, unlikely events do happen.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

"most witness accounts have Brown stopping and turning toward Officer Wilson" -- As someone pointed out earlier, we don't know what most sworn witnesses at the Grand Jury testified to regarding whether Brown was stopped or moving forward. We do know, however, that Brown was turned toward Wilson based on the forensic bullet wound evidence.

Isn't that exactly what I sad? He stopped fleeing, he turned around toward Wilson, he was shot. Do you like arguing with walls?

Once again, why so contentious?

Anyway, all, not most, witness accounts have Brown stopping and turning toward Wilson. The issue is whether, after Brown turned to face Wilson, was Brown completely stopped at the time of the shooting or was Brown approaching Wilson. That's where the dispute in witness accounts arises.

Based on your earlier positions and your wording, your statement that most witness accounts have Brown stopping carried the implication that most winess accounts have Brown completely stopped at the time of the shooting. We don't know if most Grand Jury witnesses testified to that.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Emotions are running high in here.

 

[Widbil83]

I bet Sharptons justice disciples are awesome.

ST. LOUIS (AP) - The Rev. Al Sharpton is scheduled to return to St. Louis Friday for a new round of protests and rallies connected to Michael Brown's police shooting death.

The civil rights activist and television commentator will meet with local activists and Brown's parents Friday morning, followed by a training of volunteer "justice disciples" who will monitor the police response to anticipated protests over the upcoming grand jury decision on whether to indict Ferguson officer Darren Wilson in Browns' killing.

Sharpton plans to remain in the area through Monday, when he will again be joined by Brown's parents at a get-out-the-vote rally before the next day's election.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/10/31/sharpton-returns-to-ferguson-protests/18230877/

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

The discussion often seems to forget that the Officer had a split attention task. There were two young men to keep an eye on. So far we know next to nothing about the other young man. We do not know what he was doing or what attention the Officer may have had to pay to him as well. If the Officer had to turn his attention to the other young man, including turning his head, body, and pointed gun young Mr. Brown may have seen that as an opportunity to re-engage with the Officer. There is much I don't know yet. Much to learn.

 

[timschochet]

The discussion often seems to forget that the Officer had a split attention task. There were two young men to keep an eye on. So far we know next to nothing about the other young man. We do not know what he was doing or what attention the Officer may have had to pay to him as well. If the Officer had to turn his attention to the other young man, including turning his head, body, and pointed gun young Mr. Brown may have seen that as an opportunity to re-engage with the Officer. There is much I don't know yet. Much to learn.

This is an interesting point. I don't always agree with you (and I certainly didn't understand why you were "offended to your core" by some of my earlier statements, which I didn't regard as offensive at all) but I have to give you credit for always bringing up stuff that isn't discussed elsewhere. The fact that Wilson was dealing with two thugs (and that's what I suspect they were) rather than one may go towards a defense of his behavior. We'll find out, hopefully.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Mike Brown’s Mom Is Taking Her Son’s Case to the UN in Geneva

Lesley McSpadden, the mother of the 18-year-old boy whose death at the hands of a Ferguson police officer in August sparked weeks of protests, is going to Geneva, Switzerland next month to speak about her son and other victims of police brutality in front of the United Nations.

Mike Brown's killing is still under investigation by federal officials, while a local grand jury tasked with deciding whether to charge officer Darren Wilson for his death is supposed to make an announcement any day — with few in Ferguson believing that an indictment is likely.

But with little faith in the justice her son will receive, McSpadden, accompanied by one of the family's lawyers and a handful of local activists and human rights advocates, is taking her son's case — and that of other victims of racial profiling and police violence — straight to the UN Committee Against Torture, the body tasked with preventing torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment and punishment around the world.

The trip — which was recently made public by organizers and promoted under the tagline "Ferguson to Geneva" — is meant to make a case, to as wide an audience as possible, that both Brown's killing and the militarized police response to protesters demanding justice for him, are a matter of human rights.

"It's actually covered by article one of the convention against torture," Justin Hansford, a law professor at Saint Louis University and co-author of a brief to the UN body filed by Brown's family and local activists, told VICE News. "When the government has all the guns, all the force, and when they can kill people with impunity and without fear of being found guilty of a crime, that's a classic example of state violence."

"You see this in dictatorships and regimes where they do this to their own citizens and they get away with it," he added.

Hansford compared Brown's killing to that of Emmet Till in the 1950s — a pivotal moment behind the civil rights movement of the following years.

"The murder of Michael Brown was a fresh cut in an old wound in the sense that it played on the legacy of lynching, when black people's bodies were on display for people as a form of intimidation," Hansford said, referring to Brown's body, which laid on the streets for more than four hours.

Brown's death, he added, "wasn't just a violation of people's civil rights, it was a violation of their human rights."

Following widespread protests, the US Department of Justice launched two separate investigations — one into Brown's death, and one into the Ferguson police department, to determine whether discrimination has played a role in officers' behavior there. But protesters and rights advocates have increasingly made the case that the response to protesters and Brown's death was not just a matter of discrimination but amounted to human rights abuse.

Framing both as human rights issues is an attempt to speak to people's empathy — Charles Wade, a protester and one of the organizers of the Ferguson to Geneva initiative, told VICE News.

"People are starting to understand that people of color often feel that they don't have the same rights as humans, that their humanity isn't being respected," he said. "A person may not have ever seen it that way so they may now think, 'Yeah, all lives do matter, I do care. How can I help?"

The Ferguson to Geneva organizers are not the first to appeal to human rights principles. In a report released last week, Amnesty International made that case in the strongest language yet, when it said that law enforcement's use of rubber bullets, tear gas, and military equipment violated international standards.

The UN delegation is yet another attempt to shift the terms of the conversation on Ferguson, and to appeal for the support of a broader community.

"As we started to think about what the situation was in the larger context, we started to link what's happening in the US in terms of police violence with human rights violations," Wade said. "Our mid- and long term work will be linking what happened in Ferguson and what's happening in other places where there's excessive police violence to the international struggle for human rights."

Wade said he first thought to take Ferguson's fight for justice to the UN after learning of a similar initiative by a group of youth of color in Chicago, who planned to also go to Geneva this fall to denounce their experience as targets of police violence — an initiative they dubbed, "We charge genocide."

"A lot of us here have been looking for ways to extend the conversation and extend our work outside of just Ferguson, tear gas, and rubber bullets," Wade said. "We asked, what does that really mean, and where does that fit within a larger conversation people can have? Race is a big part of it, it's probably 90 percent of it, but so often people are not seeing what's happening to people of color in this country as human rights violations."

The Ferguson group has been raising funds to sponsor the trip, on November 12 and 13 — but is still short $11,000. In addition to McSpadden and attorney Daryl Parks, Hansford, Wade, and four local activists including Tef Poe will also be going. McSpadden was not immediately available for comment.

Taking the issue to the UN is largely "symbolic," organizers admit.

"It's about taking the conversation to the global community in general," Wade said. "It's for us to show that now even the UN is interested in what's happening in a real small city called Ferguson, and you should be interested as well. You should see this as an issue that isn't just one instance, one police officer, and one man. This is what's happening all over the country."

The point of taking Ferguson's plight to an international forum is not so much to embarrass US officials, Wade said, though Hansford said the group hopes to connect with a delegation of administration officials who will be in Geneva at the same time. "While we're out there it would be great to talk to the US government," he said. "They'll be there, it would be wonderful it they talked to us."

But there's a more practical purpose to the delegation as well — to get the world's eyes back on Ferguson and St. Louis as residents prepare for an imminent grand jury announcement many fear will spark new clashes. Police have also been preparing for likely protests — stocking up on tear gas and riot gear and sending out emergency preparation plans for local schools.

Still scarred from the outsized police response to the summer protests, demonstrators have said they fear more force used against them, and they want to make sure that whatever happens next doesn't go unnoticed.

"They have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on these tools of war, and stockpiling guns," Hansford said. "I think the international community and human rights community should turn their eyes towards

Ferguson and see this in a human rights context."

The world's attention, he added, "could very well save some lives." "If it convinces them that the world is going to be watching and they will be held accountable, it could change their behavior and their reaction to protesters," he said.

Law enforcement officials have defended themselves against the accusations of human rights abuse.

"The St. Louis County Police Department and the Unified Command had one mission, and that was the preservation of life," St. Louis Police Sgt. Brian Schellman told VICE News following the Amnesty report, adding that police have been gearing up for more protests. "We are going to be prepared regardless of what the grand jury returns."

For their part, protesters plan to return to the streets should the grand jury decide not to indict Wilson. But there's a lot more than rallies to the movement for justice they have built in Ferguson, and the UN delegation is just one example of its broadening scope and growing ambitions.

"A lot of people have had this impression that just marching is happening, just demonstrations," Wade said. "That's not the only thing that's been going on."

 

[Widbil83]

Protesters want a 2 day notice before the grand jury decision comes out.

And with a grand jury expected to soon deliver its decision on whether to indict the officer, a group that represents protesters says it wants 48-hours notice before the decision is announced so it can help prevent the St. Louis suburb from once again boiling over with anger, violence and confusion.

A group of community members calling themselves the Don't Shoot Coalition this week released 19 "Rules of Engagement" that touch on major points of contention between protesters and police since Brown's August 9 killing.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/06/us/ferguson-rules-protests/index.html

 

[avoiding injuries]

I see no problem with giving protesters 48hrs to recruit and organize before the announcement is made.

 

[Gawain]

Sounds like Brown was a lot more like Louis Till than Emmett Till.

 

[jonessed]

Protesters want a 2 day notice before the grand jury decision comes out.

And with a grand jury expected to soon deliver its decision on whether to indict the officer, a group that represents protesters says it wants 48-hours notice before the decision is announced so it can help prevent the St. Louis suburb from once again boiling over with anger, violence and confusion.

A group of community members calling themselves the Don't Shoot Coalition this week released 19 "Rules of Engagement" that touch on major points of contention between protesters and police since Brown's August 9 killing.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/06/us/ferguson-rules-protests/index.html

That would simply mean announcing it 2 days early. it's not like the verdict is going to remain secret.

 

[Gawain]

My favorite rule of engagement is when the police are told to tolerate law breaking.

Thought USA policy was not to negotiate with terrorists.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Protesters want a 2 day notice before the grand jury decision comes out.

And with a grand jury expected to soon deliver its decision on whether to indict the officer, a group that represents protesters says it wants 48-hours notice before the decision is announced so it can help prevent the St. Louis suburb from once again boiling over with anger, violence and confusion.

A group of community members calling themselves the Don't Shoot Coalition this week released 19 "Rules of Engagement" that touch on major points of contention between protesters and police since Brown's August 9 killing.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/06/us/ferguson-rules-protests/index.html

That would simply mean announcing it 2 days early. it's not like the verdict is going to remain secret.

I think they are looking for a 48 hour window to organize their looting, smart planning!

 

[kentric]

Protesters want a 2 day notice before the grand jury decision comes out.

And with a grand jury expected to soon deliver its decision on whether to indict the officer, a group that represents protesters says it wants 48-hours notice before the decision is announced so it can help prevent the St. Louis suburb from once again boiling over with anger, violence and confusion.

A group of community members calling themselves the Don't Shoot Coalition this week released 19 "Rules of Engagement" that touch on major points of contention between protesters and police since Brown's August 9 killing.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/06/us/ferguson-rules-protests/index.html

That would simply mean announcing it 2 days early. it's not like the verdict is going to remain secret.

The two day warning is not the most preposterous rule from the "Don't Shoot Coalition". The most preposterous rules demand that the police take the most minimal steps to protect themselves and the community. "Just step aside and let us riot!"

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/06/us/ferguson-rules-protests/index.html

The rules ask the police not to use rubber bullets, armored vehicles, rifles and tear gas.

The organization also has written stipulations about how it wants police to present themselves, including a request that officers wear attire "minimally required for their safety" and that "specialized riot gear will be avoided except as a last resort."

I found this comment interesting:

In the days after Brown's shooting, Ivory noted that the police looked like "they were going to war."

"And that's what made the protesters feel that heightened (fear)... because of the way the police were speaking to them," she said.

I feel there is a high probability that there will be rioting and/or looting going on. If I was a police officer out there I'd much rather have the peaceful protestors feeling a bit on the fearful side when the non-peaceful protestors start to riot/loot.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

 

[lod01]

Let the countdown to Ferguson Riots - Part Deux begin.

 

[Doug B]

Any of these protestors ever hear of Mohandas Gandhi? Why must they continue to protest in disruptive ways? Their point's been made a thousand times, but the things they want changed can't be insta-changed simply because they are upset and expressing their dismay via disruptive public protest.

Work other angles -- if you can vote, campaign for candidates, write essays, buy (or solicit free) radio time, etc., you are not powerless and should not feel "forced" to take to the streets disruptively.

 

[TobiasFunke]

My favorite rule of engagement is when the police are told to tolerate law breaking.

Thought USA policy was not to negotiate with terrorists.

Setting aside all the other things that are wrong about this- if a bottle of water terrifies you, law enforcement probably isn't the career for you.

 

[jon_mx]

You guys haven't figured this out yet? If I had time I would sort out all the facts for you, but I just don't. Too many more important world problems for me to solve.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

I follow the Justice For Mike Brown Facebook page. Here's an interesting post from last night:

"The meeting we had earlier at the church at 9950 Glen Owen Dr, St Louis, MO, alot of us attended the meeting but what happened with the attack on a peaceful protester was wrong and should have been handled a different way. Some of us already know that no live-streaming is allowed at the meeting and but when they told him to stop live streaming he probably didn't hear or understand and when everbody just rushed him and told to stop live streaming and get the F××k out and then all of sudden he gets jumped and attacked. He is a student at UMSL college and he has been out there with us protesting on regular nights. Some of us know who he is, his name is Chris Schaefer, and NO, he's not working with the police, he is on our side. But like I said again, for some of yall to just attack him having him, running down Chambers St towards West Florissant to the Walgreens scared for his life and he steady screaming crying and flagging down cars asking for help, but he only gets help when he runs inside the Walgreens, that was wrong and F××ked up it really was he was they took him to the hospital by ambulance to be treated for injuries. That's making us look bad, the ones that come out to protest peacefully, smh, and he is white but that don't mean to attack him like that! We have supporters of all races!"
Here's a link to the Facebook page where the above post and comments on it can be found:

https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForMikeBrownFerguson?hc_location=timeline

 

[fantasycurse42]

I follow the Justice For Mike Brown Facebook page. Here's an interesting post from last night:

"The meeting we had earlier at the church at 9950 Glen Owen Dr, St Louis, MO, alot of us attended the meeting but what happened with the attack on a peaceful protester was wrong and should have been handled a different way. Some of us already know that no live-streaming is allowed at the meeting and but when they told him to stop live streaming he probably didn't hear or understand and when everbody just rushed him and told to stop live streaming and get the F××k out and then all of sudden he gets jumped and attacked. He is a student at UMSL college and he has been out there with us protesting on regular nights. Some of us know who he is, his name is Chris Schaefer, and NO, he's not working with the police, he is on our side. But like I said again, for some of yall to just attack him having him, running down Chambers St towards West Florissant to the Walgreens scared for his life and he steady screaming crying and flagging down cars asking for help, but he only gets help when he runs inside the Walgreens, that was wrong and F××ked up it really was he was they took him to the hospital by ambulance to be treated for injuries. That's making us look bad, the ones that come out to protest peacefully, smh, and he is white but that don't mean to attack him like that! We have supporters of all races!"
Here's a link to the Facebook page where the above post and comments on it can be found:

https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForMikeBrownFerguson?hc_location=timeline

 

[Gary Coal Man]

I follow the Justice For Mike Brown Facebook page. Here's an interesting post from last night:

"The meeting we had earlier at the church at 9950 Glen Owen Dr, St Louis, MO, alot of us attended the meeting but what happened with the attack on a peaceful protester was wrong and should have been handled a different way. Some of us already know that no live-streaming is allowed at the meeting and but when they told him to stop live streaming he probably didn't hear or understand and when everbody just rushed him and told to stop live streaming and get the F××k out and then all of sudden he gets jumped and attacked. He is a student at UMSL college and he has been out there with us protesting on regular nights. Some of us know who he is, his name is Chris Schaefer, and NO, he's not working with the police, he is on our side. But like I said again, for some of yall to just attack him having him, running down Chambers St towards West Florissant to the Walgreens scared for his life and he steady screaming crying and flagging down cars asking for help, but he only gets help when he runs inside the Walgreens, that was wrong and F××ked up it really was he was they took him to the hospital by ambulance to be treated for injuries. That's making us look bad, the ones that come out to protest peacefully, smh, and he is white but that don't mean to attack him like that! We have supporters of all races!"
Here's a link to the Facebook page where the above post and comments on it can be found:

https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForMikeBrownFerguson?hc_location=timeline

If you enjoyed that post, you might also enjoy the below comment I found among the dozens of comments on the above post:

Robert Long Honestly if you think this is bad. Try asking about my beat down I got for protesting. Because I am white and was out protesting I was jumped by 17 dudes. They beat the living piss out of me. Spent 3 days in the hospital. I got cuts all over my legs from being on the ground with the rocks on the road stabbing into my leg. They assumed because I am white and I was protesting that I was not on Mike Browns side. They ripped my sign up and didn't even read it. Said I need to get my white ### the #### out of here. Can someone say anger issues???
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Robert Long Here is a webcam shot of my foot. Thank god for pain pills!. You can see where a few of the lower cuts on my leg where the rocks where cutting into it.

 

[Sand]

Mike Brown’s Mom Is Taking Her Son’s Case to the UN in Geneva

I eagerly await the human rights abuses condemnation from North Korea and Sudan.

 

[weebs]

This is still going on?

 

[Gary Coal Man]

I read further in the comments on that Facebook post and saw that someone posted a link to the St. Louis Post Dispatch article about the incident:

Man beaten at Ferguson protest strategy meeting