squistion
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What is it about wide spread that you don't understand?No rioting during the Great DepressionYeah, true patriots would just accept their ####ty lot in life like our perfect ancestors.
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Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (2 Viewers)
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mcintyre1
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Hey, you're the one who's willfully ignorant of our history. People listed a ton of violent riots all across the country in response to your uneducated claim. You tell me what you don't understand. Or just watch squistion's video.What is it about wide spread that you don't understand?No rioting during the Great Depression
timschochet
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You'd be wise to quit while you're behind.What is it about wide spread that you don't understand?No rioting during the Great Depression
timschochet
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timschochet
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No announcement yet?
BustedKnuckles
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way to side stepWhat is it about wide spread that you don't understand?No rioting during the Great Depression
Limp Ditka
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Todd Andrews
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#oppKKK and #Hoodsoff are unbelievable.
Anonymous is finding a bunch of cops who are in the KKK. And finding KKK members at the support Darren Wilson rallies.
Anonymous is finding a bunch of cops who are in the KKK. And finding KKK members at the support Darren Wilson rallies.
mcintyre1
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No idea if you just Googled this one off the top or something, but that was actually a really fascinating video. I hadn't seen many news reports of the time. Can't even imagine what Fox News would do to a guy like the one in Rhode Island (4:13), shouting "And I have said to your people, hit back! And I'm saying to you in Rhode Island, if you are hit, there is but one nose, hit back! Hit as hard as you can!" There was another quote in there that I found interesting: "Riots are but one degree removed from civil war, and must be regarded as such. Surely the last resort in settling differences between fellow Americans."What is it about wide spread that you don't understand?No rioting during the Great Depression
The General
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What is it about wide spread that you don't understand?No rioting during the Great Depression
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Jim11
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Methinks that many "protesters" are hoping for no indictment, to have an excuse for more looting, etc.
Bottomfeeder Sports
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Why do I keep thinking of that brief scene between "What Shall We Do Now?" and "Young Lust" during Pink Floyd's The Wall?
timschochet
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my guess is that the governor jumped the gun .
culdeus
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timschochet
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the national guard announcement. It made everybody anticipate an immediate announcement . Who knows? Perhaps we're still days or weeks away.
Parrothead
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I'm guessing no announcement until the national guard is in place.. people will be free to protest, but any looting and violence will dealt with harshly..
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timschochet
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this is an unfortunate comparison. I'm not a critic of Eric Holder the way so many are here , but such a statement is really indefensible.
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Todem
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Hopefully it will be a peaceful protest if the verdict does not go the way the demonstrators want. The fact the National Guard has been brought in already does not bode well for "peaceful".
Such a shame we have people in this world who can't voice their concerns peacefully, but instead they must burn, destroy and pillage their own neighborhood. It's just plain stupidity. I do not have any sympathy for people like that. They are part of the problem, not any type of solution.
Such a shame we have people in this world who can't voice their concerns peacefully, but instead they must burn, destroy and pillage their own neighborhood. It's just plain stupidity. I do not have any sympathy for people like that. They are part of the problem, not any type of solution.
Ted Mullins
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Doug B
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At one point, I was thinking they were going to push it out until the Wednesday evening before Thanksgiving. Not sure they can get away with that now, though.
Sand
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avoiding injuries
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That would be a terrible idea. Nobody would have to work the next day. If there's a couple of days in a row where they're calling for rain, that's when you do it. It will help keep the number of protesters down and help pit out the fires.
mcintyre1
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I have all the sympathy in the world for them, and I won't disparage them for rioting if they do. Our society is not constructed to allow the downtrodden a voice. To some degree, that is an extension of how our government does not work for the people. If they don't respond in any meaningful way to relatively affluent middle class people, what hope do those in poverty have of achieving meaningful change through the system?If these protesters remained absolutely peaceful the media would cover it for a few days and then disappear. Some people would think "I feel really bad for them, they're in a terrible situation" for maybe a few weeks, and then we'd never really address the issue again until the next blowup.
History shows us that, by and large, change is not achieved by purely peaceful means. We've been living under the spectre of unresolved race and, to a much larger degree, class issues for decades. We can't continue to ignore that forever and just expect it to go away.
IMO, we're basically reliving the 1930's. But that's OK, because Jim assured us there won't be any wide spread rioting.
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Sand
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This just reinforces what we already know. Holder and his DOJ has never been the disinterested third party looking into crimes the way he/they should be. He has always been a huge partisan political actor who could give a snot about the office he occupies and what it represents.this is an unfortunate comparison. I'm not a critic of Eric Holder the way so many are here , but such a statement is really indefensible.
Widbil83
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Holder already has one foot out the door so he doesn't care.this is an unfortunate comparison. I'm not a critic of Eric Holder the way so many are here , but such a statement is really indefensible.
squistion
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Doug B
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But this concept -- that violence, and pretty much only violence, can foment change -- gives front-line defenders of the status quo a pretty free hand to fight violence with violence.
IvanKaramazov
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In fairness, the Ferguson police did a horrible job handling peaceful protesters earlier. I trust the National Guard more than them to help keep the peace and not inflame things.
Sand
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Rayderr
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squistion
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timschochet
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Let's be clear. If there is an indictment, a trial, and an eventual acquittal, there will likely be no rioting. (George Zimmerman demonstrated that.) But if there is no indictment, then there likely will be rioting. And that's easy to understand. The people who are upset about this want their day in court. They want all of the facts to be explored publicly, and not behind closed doors the way the Grand Jury is doing. They want the witnesses to have to testify and face cross-examination. Otherwise, they're going to regard this as a whitewash. And who can blame them, given the way our justice system has treated minorities in the past, and in some cases continues to do so?
I don't have enough information to determine if this officer should be indicted. Based on what I've read, I was leaning no. But again, I don't know what the grand jury knows. Part of me hopes he is indicted so that the facts come out in a court of law.
I don't have enough information to determine if this officer should be indicted. Based on what I've read, I was leaning no. But again, I don't know what the grand jury knows. Part of me hopes he is indicted so that the facts come out in a court of law.
mcintyre1
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History also shows us that the front line defenders of the status quo don't really need a reason to use violence and will make one up if they aren't given one.
I'd love for us to live in a world where all grievances can be resolved in a rational, calm manner, but let's not pretend we're anywhere near that place.
squistion
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Doug B
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That's all fine, but who will suffer for violent Ferguson protests being treated as something that must be done?
They want "change". What specific changes? And how does blowing up their very own neighborhood -- never mind the innocent workaday folks who just want to carry on with daily life -- foster this change? The guy that grabs the television, or the arsonist who burns down local businesses -- they cannot say they contributed to positive change in that community.
IvanKaramazov
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mcintyre1
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mcintyre1
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In the short term? The people in Ferguson, absolutely. In the long term, it draws attention to their plight. After the fact you get people asking "Why did they do this?" and the issue doesn't go away like it would if they did nothing but hold up signs. We still talk about the LA Riots, the Detroit Riots. This is how capitalism works, it seems. If strict controls are put in place to prevent outright exploitation of the lower classes and moderate redistribution of wealth into public services that benefit everyone, everyone prospers. If those controls fail, the lowest among us get squeezed and squeezed until there is no incentive for them to remain quiet and their anger will manifest itself in violence. This is what happens when you put masses of discontented people in a powerless position.
Todem
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To a lesser degree I don't disagree. However I believe race relations and tolerance have come a lot farther in the last decade than 25 years prior. It has been accomplished through law and change in the corporate world as well. And that includes Sports, Hollywood and more importantly small business's around the country as well as fortune 500 companies.mcintyre1 said:
While I undetrstand how bad some inner city race relations are, the answer is not violence, but meaningful representation and change through the governmnet channels, at the voting booths and through business pressure. Hurt them where it really hurts, in the pocket book. Hold the Police accountable through strict pay control, pension benefits being pressured, sheriffs being replaced and if true fraud and corruption has taken place revoking tax payer's funded retirement pensions. There are ways to make changes to police corruption, cover up and racism.
Burning your own neighborhood which provides job's, goods and vital services to your family and yourself is not the answer.
It's a slippery slope. And again I sympathize with people who will use their strength and will from within over those that will just burn, destroy and pillage in the name of justice. It is not the answer, it is not the solution, and it will change nothing. If anything it will strengthen the hatred, and strengthen the perception that the inner cities are filled with nothing but "hood rats".
If you want to change that perception and make a change you must change the way you protest. Riots have done nothing in race relations other than make them more tense, destroy lives and kill people.
Doug B
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Well, then this is an unsolvable human problem in the current set-up of the U.S. Poverty can never be eradicated in a free society -- probably can't even put much of a dent into it.mcintyre1 said:
So then ... that makes the upcoming Ferguson riots something like an overhead cost of maintaining a free society. Maybe in the long run, Ferguson itself will be better by some measure. Don't know. But it won't advance any kind of wider cause a whit.
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It always amuses me when people pretend that they've never heard of popular stereotypes.
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