Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (4 Viewers)

[jon_mx]

Because I just don't believe there's that many people (I use that word advisedly) in this whole organization. They're a white racist's dream of what the "angry black man" is truly like.

OK if they're not the same two dudes then they probably know each other. Cousins maybe.

And the funny thing is that they didn't actually intimidate any voters (according to reports). It was an almost an all black precinct and everybody just ignored them, no complaints or reports from voters or potential voters that they felt intimidated or didn't vote because of this. No one took these clowns seriously at the time except the Fox News crowd, but it remains a big story in the right wing blogosphere.

Except for those unfortunate ones who were not almost all black. There is really no defense for this tactic, but yet you continue to defend it.

 

[Christo]

Prediction: He won't be indicted. There won't be widespread rioting, but there will be violence (including the West Coast) which will mostly be crimes of opportunity and have nothing to do with Michael Brown. And CNN will literally feature 24/7 coverage of this including at least one reporter who will be dressed in a helmet and flax vest and use the word "embedded" at least ten times.

A vest made of seeds? That doesn't seem like it'd really help.

 

[Courtjester]

Prediction: He won't be indicted. There won't be widespread rioting, but there will be violence (including the West Coast) which will mostly be crimes of opportunity and have nothing to do with Michael Brown. And CNN will literally feature 24/7 coverage of this including at least one reporter who will be dressed in a helmet and flax vest and use the word "embedded" at least ten times.

A vest made of seeds? That doesn't seem like it'd really help.

Yeah, I didn't catch that when I was typing--it must have been that stupid, little font I used....

 

[squistion]

Because I just don't believe there's that many people (I use that word advisedly) in this whole organization. They're a white racist's dream of what the "angry black man" is truly like.

OK if they're not the same two dudes then they probably know each other. Cousins maybe.

And the funny thing is that they didn't actually intimidate any voters (according to reports). It was an almost an all black precinct and everybody just ignored them, no complaints or reports from voters or potential voters that they felt intimidated or didn't vote because of this. No one took these clowns seriously at the time except the Fox News crowd, but it remains a big story in the right wing blogosphere.

Except for those unfortunate ones who were not almost all black. There is really no defense for this tactic, but yet you continue to defend it.

Pathetic attempt at a Straw Man. I have never once defended this tactic. Just pointing out again that there is no documentation that even one person is this ghetto neighborhood, white or black, reported they were intimidated, didn't vote or didn't enter the polling place because of it. Their actions had no actual impact (you would think they could have found at least one voter to be interviewed who claimed they were intimidated).

From Politico:

Three Republican poll monitors filed complaints of intimidation — itself a federal crime — but no voters attested to being turned away. The Justice Department, while Bush was still president, investigated the incident and later, after Obama took office, decided that "the facts and the law did not support pursuing" the claims against the party and against a second, unarmed man, Justice spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39861.html#ixzz3Jq6wQiwW

 

[Brady Marino]

One of my best friends on this earth works at a hospital in a St. Louis suburb.

He's been placed on call Sunday because hospital officials have been told to expect no charges to be filed for the officer.

My city is going to burn. :(

So you would rather an innocent man be railroaded into a grand jury charge than hold the people who are going to burn your city responsible?

Where the hell did I say that? It's long been established that these knuckle-dragging mother ####ers will get violent with either decision, but no charges will really incite them.

I hate this whole damn thing and I wish my city wasn't put in the middle of it. #### these mother ####ers.

Brady where are you located?

Currently in Memphis, grew up in South County.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

One of my best friends on this earth works at a hospital in a St. Louis suburb.

He's been placed on call Sunday because hospital officials have been told to expect no charges to be filed for the officer.

My city is going to burn. :(

So you would rather an innocent man be railroaded into a grand jury charge than hold the people who are going to burn your city responsible?

Where the hell did I say that? It's long been established that these knuckle-dragging mother ####ers will get violent with either decision, but no charges will really incite them.

I hate this whole damn thing and I wish my city wasn't put in the middle of it. #### these mother ####ers.

Brady where are you located?

Currently in Memphis, grew up in South County.

The south side has had a nice Renaissance in recent years. Too bad the housing market collapsed, so many great things were going on in the whole city. Poopdawg, I would love to punch you in the face many times.

 

[fantasycurse42]

One of my best friends on this earth works at a hospital in a St. Louis suburb.

He's been placed on call Sunday because hospital officials have been told to expect no charges to be filed for the officer.

My city is going to burn. :(

So you would rather an innocent man be railroaded into a grand jury charge than hold the people who are going to burn your city responsible?

Where the hell did I say that? It's long been established that these knuckle-dragging mother ####ers will get violent with either decision, but no charges will really incite them.

I hate this whole damn thing and I wish my city wasn't put in the middle of it. #### these mother ####ers.

Brady where are you located?

Currently in Memphis, grew up in South County.

The south side has had a nice Renaissance in recent years. Too bad the housing market collapsed, so many great things were going on in the whole city. Poopdawg, I would love to punch you in the face many times.

Shut up you bald racist

 

[St. Louis Bob]

One of my best friends on this earth works at a hospital in a St. Louis suburb.

He's been placed on call Sunday because hospital officials have been told to expect no charges to be filed for the officer.

My city is going to burn. :(

So you would rather an innocent man be railroaded into a grand jury charge than hold the people who are going to burn your city responsible?

Where the hell did I say that? It's long been established that these knuckle-dragging mother ####ers will get violent with either decision, but no charges will really incite them.

I hate this whole damn thing and I wish my city wasn't put in the middle of it. #### these mother ####ers.

Brady where are you located?

Currently in Memphis, grew up in South County.

The south side has had a nice Renaissance in recent years. Too bad the housing market collapsed, so many great things were going on in the whole city. Poopdawg, I would love to punch you in the face many times.

Shut up you bald racist

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

 

[jon_mx]

Because I just don't believe there's that many people (I use that word advisedly) in this whole organization. They're a white racist's dream of what the "angry black man" is truly like.

OK if they're not the same two dudes then they probably know each other. Cousins maybe.

And the funny thing is that they didn't actually intimidate any voters (according to reports). It was an almost an all black precinct and everybody just ignored them, no complaints or reports from voters or potential voters that they felt intimidated or didn't vote because of this. No one took these clowns seriously at the time except the Fox News crowd, but it remains a big story in the right wing blogosphere.

Except for those unfortunate ones who were not almost all black. There is really no defense for this tactic, but yet you continue to defend it.

Pathetic attempt at a Straw Man. I have never once defended this tactic. Just pointing out again that there is no documentation that even one person is this ghetto neighborhood, white or black, reported they were intimidated, didn't vote or didn't enter the polling place because of it. Their actions had no actual impact (you would think they could have found at least one voter to be interviewed who claimed they were intimidated).

From Politico:

Three Republican poll monitors filed complaints of intimidation — itself a federal crime — but no voters attested to being turned away. The Justice Department, while Bush was still president, investigated the incident and later, after Obama took office, decided that "the facts and the law did not support pursuing" the claims against the party and against a second, unarmed man, Justice spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39861.html#ixzz3Jq6wQiwW

DOJ

The only thing pathetic is your attempts at spinning facts and continually defending it. The Politico article is a joke. The case was filed just weeks prior to Obama taking over. Justice Officials who served in the Bush Administration thought the case had merits to press charges, but did not have time to pursue it. Holder came in and immediately narrowed the case and then dropped the charges a few months later. He had no interest in investigating it, and a senior Justice Department civil rights attorney resigned over the corruption involved in dropping the case. Those thugs bragged about want to kill anything white and it is no surprise there people living in the neighborhood would be afraid to come out against them, especially when Holder is sympathetic towards the thugs.

ETA: According to the guy who resigned, the Justice Department instructed them not to pursue any voter rights cases where the defendant was a minority. This is in conflict to what Holder has testified that race was not a factor in dropping the charges. The manager of the guy who resigned was moved to a different department so they could prevent him from having to testifying. Holder has continually stonewalled all inquiries into this case, which is par for Holder in other areas too.

 

[Brady Marino]

One of my best friends on this earth works at a hospital in a St. Louis suburb.

He's been placed on call Sunday because hospital officials have been told to expect no charges to be filed for the officer.

My city is going to burn. :(

So you would rather an innocent man be railroaded into a grand jury charge than hold the people who are going to burn your city responsible?

Where the hell did I say that? It's long been established that these knuckle-dragging mother ####ers will get violent with either decision, but no charges will really incite them.

I hate this whole damn thing and I wish my city wasn't put in the middle of it. #### these mother ####ers.

Brady where are you located?

Currently in Memphis, grew up in South County.

The south side has had a nice Renaissance in recent years. Too bad the housing market collapsed, so many great things were going on in the whole city.Poopdawg, I would love to punch you in the face many times.

Love what the Bosnians have done to Bevo Mill.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

One of my best friends on this earth works at a hospital in a St. Louis suburb.

He's been placed on call Sunday because hospital officials have been told to expect no charges to be filed for the officer.

My city is going to burn. :(

So you would rather an innocent man be railroaded into a grand jury charge than hold the people who are going to burn your city responsible?

Where the hell did I say that? It's long been established that these knuckle-dragging mother ####ers will get violent with either decision, but no charges will really incite them.

I hate this whole damn thing and I wish my city wasn't put in the middle of it. #### these mother ####ers.

Brady where are you located?

Currently in Memphis, grew up in South County.

The south side has had a nice Renaissance in recent years. Too bad the housing market collapsed, so many great things were going on in the whole city.Poopdawg, I would love to punch you in the face many times.

Love what the Bosnians have done to Bevo Mill.

Agreed, the whole area is very cool.

 

[GrandpaRox]

One of my best friends on this earth works at a hospital in a St. Louis suburb.

He's been placed on call Sunday because hospital officials have been told to expect no charges to be filed for the officer.

My city is going to burn. :(

So you would rather an innocent man be railroaded into a grand jury charge than hold the people who are going to burn your city responsible?

Where the hell did I say that? It's long been established that these knuckle-dragging mother ####ers will get violent with either decision, but no charges will really incite them.

I hate this whole damn thing and I wish my city wasn't put in the middle of it. #### these mother ####ers.

Brady where are you located?

Currently in Memphis, grew up in South County.

The south side has had a nice Renaissance in recent years. Too bad the housing market collapsed, so many great things were going on in the whole city.Poopdawg, I would love to punch you in the face many times.

Shut up you bald racist

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.And

And how is that diversity working out for you?

 

[avoiding injuries]

Finally, a voice of reason?

http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I didn't know Louis Farrakhan was still alive. Good for him.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Black Sunday Sale today?

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Amazing how downplayed Brown's strong-armed robbery has become. Just mind-boggling.

 

[timschochet]

So today is the day? Maybe

 

[Mario Kart]

Amazing how downplayed Brown's strong-armed robbery has become. Just mind-boggling.

The facts rarely sell news.

 

[timschochet]

Amazing how downplayed Brown's strong-armed robbery has become. Just mind-boggling.

The facts rarely sell news.

Really? Seems like I've watched that video of Brown robbing the market about 1,000 times on the news shows. Not sure what you guys have been watching...

 

[Ghost Rider]

Amazing how downplayed Brown's strong-armed robbery has become. Just mind-boggling.

That's usually when the media does a blackout of a story, and then when Fox News becomes the only media to mention it, it is then deemed a "Fox News story." :lol

Granted, Fox is mostly lame and they do the same thing with stories that don't go along with their agenda, too, so they are no better. This kind of stuff is just particularly bad because the media is basically throwing gasoline on the fire that is race relations.

 

[Courtjester]

It is a joke because every news outlet this morning was leading in with Fergusson prepares for violence. The media soooooo wants this it is not even funny. Plus I don't understand the logic of them putting all these police barriers out that will simply be used to block streets and as weapons by the protesters.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Black Sunday Sale today?

Shopping or looting... what a dilemma.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Finally, a voice of reason?

http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it. Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

 

[jonessed]

Finally, a voice of reason?

http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it. Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

White people in Ferguson maybe. I don't see why anybody anywhere else should be edgy. It actually sucks for everybody in Ferguson, black or white.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

So today is the day? Maybe

Nope. Grand jury to meet again tomorrow.link

 

[Doug B]

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

Isn't Farrakhan's statement here as wrong and inappropriate as it gets? If it's not right to put all self-identified minority folks in one bucket, it's not right to do the reverse.

"White people", en masse, did not kill MIchael Brown. Only the immediate actors bear any responsibility -- not all "white people".

 

[St. Louis Bob]

So today is the day? Maybe

No, not today. It was "leaked" Monday it would be though. The GJ reconvenes tomorrow. If they keep leaking when the decision is going tobe made, knowing it won't be announced, that's pretty smart.

In regards to the robbery, those supporting MB are calling it shoplifting which is a joke. Either way, that alone isn't a good reason to shoot someone.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Finally, a voice of reason?http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it. Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

White people in Ferguson maybe. I don't see why anybody anywhere else should be edgy. It actually sucks for everybody in Ferguson, black or white.

The majority of people in Ferguson and surrounding areas, both black and white, are good people. If there was a murderer on the loose in your neighborhood, you would be concerned, it doesn't matter that 99.99% of the rest of the hood are good people. My parents and most of my family s, not to mention friends, black and white, still live in the area, so yeah I'm concerned. Particularly when I hear calls to attack white people and their children. Also, FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, there aren't "white neighborhood". WTF is that supposed to mean? The only places that might fall under that category would be where the ultra rich live but I wouldn't know, I'm not welcome there.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

Isn't Farrakhan's statement here as wrong and inappropriate as it gets? If it's not right to put all self-identified minority folks in one bucket, it's not right to do the reverse.

"White people", en masse, did not kill MIchael Brown. Only the immediate actors bear any responsibility -- not all "white people".

Yet there are plenty of people that feel this way. Sickening.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I am thinking this will end up being nothing.

 

[tdoss]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

Wonder what the crime rate did during those periods?

I'd think that and housing prices probably coincided and/or contributed to that "white flight/black integration".

 

[tdoss]

Finally, a voice of reason?

http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it. Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

It's possible some of this could spark riots in other cities/states.

It would be an interesting move...start the rallies in a predominantly white neighborhood. Bus them in maybe?

 

[timschochet]

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

Isn't Farrakhan's statement here as wrong and inappropriate as it gets? If it's not right to put all self-identified minority folks in one bucket, it's not right to do the reverse.

"White people", en masse, did not kill MIchael Brown. Only the immediate actors bear any responsibility -- not all "white people".

its not like Farrakahn to be inappropriate.

 

[tdoss]

Finally, a voice of reason?http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it. Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

White people in Ferguson maybe. I don't see why anybody anywhere else should be edgy. It actually sucks for everybody in Ferguson, black or white.

The majority of people in Ferguson and surrounding areas, both black and white, are good people. If there was a murderer on the loose in your neighborhood, you would be concerned, it doesn't matter that 99.99% of the rest of the hood are good people. My parents and most of my family s, not to mention friends, black and white, still live in the area, so yeah I'm concerned. Particularly when I hear calls to attack white people and their children. Also, FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, there aren't "white neighborhood". WTF is that supposed to mean? The only places that might fall under that category would be where the ultra rich live but I wouldn't know, I'm not welcome there.

That census data showed Ferguson was a white neighborhood by any definition not too long ago.

 

[tdoss]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

I've always found "white flight" intriguing. It'd be interesting to see at what point do the scales tip. It looks like at about 25%...There was a mass exodus just after.

Wonder if that's typical for a neighborhood that started "white" but then "transitioned"?

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Finally, a voice of reason?http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it. Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

White people in Ferguson maybe. I don't see why anybody anywhere else should be edgy. It actually sucks for everybody in Ferguson, black or white.

The majority of people in Ferguson and surrounding areas, both black and white, are good people. If there was a murderer on the loose in your neighborhood, you would be concerned, it doesn't matter that 99.99% of the rest of the hood are good people. My parents and most of my family s, not to mention friends, black and white, still live in the area, so yeah I'm concerned. Particularly when I hear calls to attack white people and their children. Also, FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, there aren't "white neighborhood". WTF is that supposed to mean? The only places that might fall under that category would be where the ultra rich live but I wouldn't know, I'm not welcome there.

That census data showed Ferguson was a white neighborhood by any definition not too long ago.

The problem is, as in most of the US, are the schools. The public schools weren't particularly great when I was kid but there were plenty of Catholic schools. Then it was confirmed how dirtball priests were raping kids so kids so people stopped sending their kids. Dozens of schools in a small area closed. So people moved to better school districts and housing prices collapsed. North St. Louis County is one of the few areas that is still on decline since 2008. My oldest son is special needs and the Catholic school he was attending said he couldn't come back. So my choice was to move or send him to an unaccredited school district. Sucked on many, many, levels. In my opinion all of this centers around education. We as a country don't do enough to emphasize the importance to our children and get involved.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Finally, a voice of reason?http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it. Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

White people in Ferguson maybe. I don't see why anybody anywhere else should be edgy. It actually sucks for everybody in Ferguson, black or white.

The majority of people in Ferguson and surrounding areas, both black and white, are good people. If there was a murderer on the loose in your neighborhood, you would be concerned, it doesn't matter that 99.99% of the rest of the hood are good people. My parents and most of my family s, not to mention friends, black and white, still live in the area, so yeah I'm concerned. Particularly when I hear calls to attack white people and their children. Also, FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, there aren't "white neighborhood". WTF is that supposed to mean? The only places that might fall under that category would be where the ultra rich live but I wouldn't know, I'm not welcome there.

That census data showed Ferguson was a white neighborhood by any definition not too long ago.

There aren't places like that in STL County anymore. A lot of black people have worked hard to get a better life for them and their children, which is awesome.

 

[jonessed]

Finally, a voice of reason?http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it. Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

White people in Ferguson maybe. I don't see why anybody anywhere else should be edgy. It actually sucks for everybody in Ferguson, black or white.

The majority of people in Ferguson and surrounding areas, both black and white, are good people. If there was a murderer on the loose in your neighborhood, you would be concerned, it doesn't matter that 99.99% of the rest of the hood are good people. My parents and most of my family s, not to mention friends, black and white, still live in the area, so yeah I'm concerned. Particularly when I hear calls to attack white people and their children. Also, FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, there aren't "white neighborhood". WTF is that supposed to mean? The only places that might fall under that category would be where the ultra rich live but I wouldn't know, I'm not welcome there.

That census data showed Ferguson was a white neighborhood by any definition not too long ago.

The problem is, as in most of the US, are the schools. The public schools weren't particularly great when I was kid but there were plenty of Catholic schools. Then it was confirmed how dirtball priests were raping kids so kids so people stopped sending their kids. Dozens of schools in a small area closed. So people moved to better school districts and housing prices collapsed. North St. Louis County is one of the few areas that is still on decline since 2008. My oldest son is special needs and the Catholic school he was attending said he couldn't come back. So my choice was to move or send him to an unaccredited school district. Sucked on many, many, levels. In my opinion all of this centers around education. We as a country don't do enough to emphasize the importance to our children and get involved.

It's easier to move than it is to mount a successful fight against a corrupt educational system.

Those that care about educating their kids will always find a way to do it. Those that don't will get left behind. That's never going to change.

 

[jonessed]

Finally, a voice of reason?http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it. Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

White people in Ferguson maybe. I don't see why anybody anywhere else should be edgy. It actually sucks for everybody in Ferguson, black or white.

The majority of people in Ferguson and surrounding areas, both black and white, are good people. If there was a murderer on the loose in your neighborhood, you would be concerned, it doesn't matter that 99.99% of the rest of the hood are good people. My parents and most of my family s, not to mention friends, black and white, still live in the area, so yeah I'm concerned. Particularly when I hear calls to attack white people and their children. Also, FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, there aren't "white neighborhood". WTF is that supposed to mean? The only places that might fall under that category would be where the ultra rich live but I wouldn't know, I'm not welcome there.

That census data showed Ferguson was a white neighborhood by any definition not too long ago.

The problem is, as in most of the US, are the schools. The public schools weren't particularly great when I was kid but there were plenty of Catholic schools. Then it was confirmed how dirtball priests were raping kids so kids so people stopped sending their kids. Dozens of schools in a small area closed. So people moved to better school districts and housing prices collapsed. North St. Louis County is one of the few areas that is still on decline since 2008. My oldest son is special needs and the Catholic school he was attending said he couldn't come back. So my choice was to move or send him to an unaccredited school district. Sucked on many, many, levels. In my opinion all of this centers around education. We as a country don't do enough to emphasize the importance to our children and get involved.

It's easier to move than it is to mount a successful fight against a poor school district.

Those that care about educating their kids will always find a way to do it. Those that don't will get left behind. That's never going to change.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

BTW, I'm not Catholic all though I went to the school my son attended. It was really strict back then, if they didn't see you and your parent at church, they would kick you out. Now they'll take anybody willing to write a check which was great because #### religion. It is a very good school though. Probably 50/50 Black&Asian/White.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Here's a story to be outrage about. That and the cop in NY shooting that guy. Also that POS cop in Georgia that shot that black guy. As I stated a long time ago in here, there is a BIG problem with police in this area but it's mostly extortion of the residents because of all the ####ty little towns that make up STL County. This case isn't about the police though, it's about race. I only hope that the recent initiative to unite the city and all of the little ones surrounding it, dissolving them, so there can be some cohesiveness about it all. It's ####ed up.

 

[tdoss]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

I've always found "white flight" intriguing. It'd be interesting to see at what point do the scales tip. It looks like at about 25%...There was a mass exodus just after.

Wonder if that's typical for a neighborhood that started "white" but then "transitioned"?

Sociologists have found the typical tipping point to be 20%.

In an article in the New Yorker, Gladwell (1996) introduced the notion of a “tipping

point” to the general public. The term describes a dynamic in which a relatively small change at

some point in a trend suddenly yields a dramatic change in outcome. Although Gladwell

explains how the term relates to phenomena as diverse as the dynamics of crime reduction to the

spread of epidemics, the term seems to have originated in an early study of racial segregation. In

a paper written in 1971, sociologist Thomas Schelling developed a mathematical model designed

to simulate the dynamics of white flight. He discovered that the arrival of small numbers of

Blacks in a white neighborhood had minimal impact. However, when the percentage of Blacks

reached 20%, a dramatic increase in the number of Whites leaving the neighborhood occurred.

http://necsi.edu/education/oneweek/winter03/whiteflight.pdf

Interesting...so you can kinda predict the white flight and maybe "beat the rush" and maximize the profit in selling your house.

 

[tdoss]

Finally, a voice of reason?http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it.Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

White people in Ferguson maybe. I don't see why anybody anywhere else should be edgy.It actually sucks for everybody in Ferguson, black or white.

The majority of people in Ferguson and surrounding areas, both black and white, are good people. If there was a murderer on the loose in your neighborhood, you would be concerned, it doesn't matter that 99.99% of the rest of the hood are good people. My parents and most of my family s, not to mention friends, black and white, still live in the area, so yeah I'm concerned. Particularly when I hear calls to attack white people and their children.Also, FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, there aren't "white neighborhood". WTF is that supposed to mean? The only places that might fall under that category would be where the ultra rich live but I wouldn't know, I'm not welcome there.

That census data showed Ferguson was a white neighborhood by any definition not too long ago.

The problem is, as in most of the US, are the schools. The public schools weren't particularly great when I was kid but there were plenty of Catholic schools. Then it was confirmed how dirtball priests were raping kids so kids so people stopped sending their kids. Dozens of schools in a small area closed. So people moved to better school districts and housing prices collapsed. North St. Louis County is one of the few areas that is still on decline since 2008. My oldest son is special needs and the Catholic school he was attending said he couldn't come back. So my choice was to move or send him to an unaccredited school district. Sucked on many, many, levels.In my opinion all of this centers around education. We as a country don't do enough to emphasize the importance to our children and get involved.

I agree...schools definitely factor in huge. It played probably the most important factor in choosing where we bought our home, other than "what can we afford?", but once we had a budget determined...school district became the main contributor.

 

[tdoss]

The sad reality is...if this does spark riots...it's gonna cause more white flight and Ferguson will become "Camden", "Detroit" or "Chicago" in a lot of people's minds...it'll basically push that area into an even worsening situation going forward.

Bob...I fear you're seeing the end of the town you once knew.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

How come the black folks are not in charge in Ferguson when they are the majority?

 

[Sinn Fein]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

How come the black folks are not in charge in Ferguson when they are the majority?

Apartheid

 

[Mario Kart]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

How come the black folks are not in charge in Ferguson when they are the majority?

Apartheid

Voter fraud. The whites own the property so they come and vote. Just another way the man keeps the black folk down.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

How come the black folks are not in charge in Ferguson when they are the majority?

Apartheid

Voter fraud. The whites own the property so they come and vote. Just another way the man keeps the black folk down.

The Mayor of Ferguson is directly elected. Voter turnout in the most recent mayoral election was about 12% and the Mayor ran unopposed. The Ferguson city council is composed of 6 members.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

How come the black folks are not in charge in Ferguson when they are the majority?

That was addressed earlier in the thread. Ferguson's black population doesn't come out to vote for municipal elections.The simplest answer is that they most of the black residents of Ferguson didnt believe that elections are important. Only 6 percent of black voters cast a ballot in last years municipal election. (Link)

Ferguson holds stand-alone elections for local offices in the spring of odd-numbered years when nothing else is on the ballot. Voter turnout is abysmal 7 percent of black voters compared with 17 percent of white voters. (Link)

Part of the problem is community leaders encourage protests and riots but do not provide real leadership on positive actions.

 

[tdoss]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

How come the black folks are not in charge in Ferguson when they are the majority?

That was addressed earlier in the thread. Ferguson's black population doesn't come out to vote for municipal elections.

The simplest answer is that “they” — most of the black residents of Ferguson — didn’t believe that elections are important. Only 6 percent of black voters cast a ballot in last year’s municipal election. (Link)

Ferguson holds stand-alone elections for local offices in the spring of odd-numbered years when nothing else is on the ballot. Voter turnout is abysmal — 7 percent of black voters compared with 17 percent of white voters. (Link)

Damn...that's awful.

You'd think black leader would address this obvious need. It's not hard to point at Obama and show proof of the concept of getting out to vote.

But I guess energy and resources are better spent blaming whitey and movitivating riots.