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Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (2 Viewers)

He was presenting the evidence bc the people wanted it. He was doing all he could to calm the crowd, kinda the point of his 30 minute monologue. Obviously there was nothing he could say that would've been effective.... If he didn't you amongst others would be in here bashing him for that and saying this whole process has been cloaked.
Stop pretending you know what I think or what I would say in response to this or that. TIA.
What would you have said if he just came up and said "no indictment, have a nice day"???

We have already established that a 300 pounder doesn't have a physical advantage over a 200 pounder in this post here, enlighten me...
I would have probably criticized that too. His mistake was "pursuing" an indictment he had zero interest in obtaining in the first place. He should not have charged Wilson IMO. If I was in his place I would not have charged him, and I would have tried to negotiate various other initiatives to avoid similar situations in the future- dashboard cameras, advising the state legislature to revisit the lax standards for use of deadly force by police officers, etc.- and then announced that at the same time as my announcement of the decision.

Instead he used the grand jury process as political cover, turning what's usually a rubber stamp process (stats explanation on reddit I liked) into what was basically a trial, so people would be mad at "the system" instead of at him for not trying Wilson. It was an understandable move I guess, but kind of chicken####.
Can you imagine the uproar which would have followed the Prosecutor saying we will not charge Wilson? He was being lambasted as a friend of the cops. If he made a unilateral decision the anger would have been 10 fold. He had to go Grand Jury.
I think it would have been about the same, and there were measures that could be taken to alleviate it. Of course there were also measures he could have taken to alleviate it last night, too. Instead he chose to go on a lengthy rant where he alternated between sounding like an 80 year old man complaining about the internet and an angry message board conservative defending Darren Wilson at every turn. Neither is a good look for someone who is supposed to represent the public in a legal matter against someone charged with a crime.
I missed the part where Wilson was charged with a crime.

 
I think it would have been about the same, and there were measures that could be taken to alleviate it. Of course there were also measures he could have taken to alleviate it last night, too. Instead he chose to go on a lengthy rant where he alternated between sounding like an 80 year old man complaining about the internet and an angry message board conservative defending Darren Wilson at every turn. Neither is a good look for someone who is supposed to represent the public in a legal matter against someone charged with a crime.
I missed the part where Wilson was charged with a crime.
My bad, sloppy use of language. Someone facing indictment would have been better.

 
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Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.

 
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Hey Eminence stop whining like a little #####. If you can't handle criticism, then you shouldn't post in this forum. This is an open discussion, and if you say foolish things, you will be subject to ridicule.
Open discussion, there's never an excuse for personal attacks the same way there's never an excuse to burn down your community.Bucky has no right to come in and talk crap to me. Especially if he's allegedly got me on block.

We don't do that here.
Go stock some tampons, idiot.
What the hell happened. I go to a simple 30 minute meeting and you all get in some kind of hissy fit?

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
Spot on. To use this particular case to hang the hat of racial profiling, police brutality and the excessive use of deadly force might be one of the dumbest things in the history of the entire Civil Rights movement.

It's dumbfounding.

 
This is a silly argument. I think we can all agree that Brown weighed a lot more than Wilson but that Wilson also wouldn't be a helpless weakling in a scuffle with Brown.
You might want to do some reading into "Escalation of Force" training for law enforcement officers before making silly statements like the bolded. Once a criminal makes the decision to assault an officer, they essentially defer to the officer's judgement as to what is a reasonable use of counter-force. The criminal actively chose to engage the officer, thereby accepting the fact that that the officer can and will use any force necessary to ensure he minimizes risk of harm to himself and citizens around him.
And you should probably read Tennessee v. Garner.
Or just read my post. I didn't make any statement about whether the use of force was justified or not. I was just noting that the "helpless weakling" narrative presented by Wilson in his testimony (the "Hulk Hogan" line, the general narrative of him being at the mercy of Brown during the altercation by the car) doesn't really hold water.
Straw man. As soon as an individual strikes an officer and engages in a struggle for his weapon, the officer immediately is justified in using leathal force. Period.
For how long? Like, if the guy escapes and gets home, gets a good night's sleep, wakes up the next morning, brews his coffee, and then hears a knock at the door, when he opens the door can the officer shoot him?
Haven't the lines been drawn by now?

I've been out of this thread for a while but it appears things are exactly as I left them.

Did Brown turn and charge the office from just feet away or did the officer have a delay and act out of cruelty and overuse of force? Each in this thread either believes the Brown side or they believe the Wilson side. Or maybe we can admit we don't know.

We know this: a grand jury (of what, 23-24 people?) have heard evidence we have not heard and requiring far less than what is needed at trial have concluded that the policeman is telling the truth.
We don't know. That's kind of the point. I'm reading Dorian Johnson's grand jury testimony right now. According to him, Brown never charged Wilson. Never reached in the car. Wilson initiated the confrontation. Now, I certainly understand why a jury might choose to disregard Johnson's testimony in a criminal trial. A jury is entitled to find Darren Wilson more credible than Dorian Johnson or vice versa. But at this stage, such weighing of credibility is really not the grand jury's role. Nor would an eyewitness like Johnson typically be cross-examined in the way that he appears to have been in this transcript (they continually come back to the convenience store robbery, which isn't really relevant). Maybe more grand jury proceedings should be that way. But if so, that should be a protection that isn't only enjoyed by law enforcement officers.
Is this the same Borian Johnson for originally said Brown did not attack Wilson but then changed his mind or, is it the Dorian Johnson who said Wilson shot Brown in the back. In any case, his credibility was shot down early.

 
Report: Body Found Shot to Death, Set Fire Near Apartment Complex Where Michael Brown Died

FERGUSON, Mo. (CBS St. Louis/AP) The body of a black male was reportedly found near Canfield Green Apartments in Ferguson, the same complex where Michael Brown was fatally shot by officer Darren Wilson during an altercation Aug. 9.

KTVI-TV reports that the man, in his 20s, was shot to death and set on fire. KMOX has sent a reporter to the scene.

The St. Louis County Police Department released the following statement:

The St. Louis County Police Department is on the 9400 block of Glenn Owen in Ferguson, MO, near the intersection of Windwood and Glenn Owen.

At approximately 9 a.m. today, a citizen reported that an unresponsive man was inside a parked vehicle at that location. Responding officers discovered a deceased male inside the vehicle.

No information on the identity of the man or additional information about the man, ownership of the car or circumstances leading up to the discovery.

Detectives from the St. Louis County Crimes Against Persons are enroute to conduct the investigation.

This incident is currently being classified as a suspicious death and will remain so until evidence allows a different classification. No further information at this time.

The discovery of the body comes after a night of violent protests where gunshots rang out and dozens of buildings were set on fire and looted in the Ferguson area. More than 80 people were arrested in Ferguson and St. Louis after a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson in Browns death.

Hospitals report having treated at least 14 people who were injured during the unrest.

Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis says it admitted two injured people and treated and released five others. It didnt disclose the nature of the injuries.

Christian Hospital, near Ferguson, says it treated six people for minor injuries, and Saint Louis University Hospital says it treated one person.

Many Ferguson-area districts cancelled classes out of concern about the safety of getting children to and from school.
Odds on the following:

Witness who changed his story being punished by the mob

Bystander hit by random gunfire

Witness who sided with Wilson

Intentionally killed for something else that happened before because the killer could get away with it in the commotion

Robbery homicide

Any others?

 
This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by Eminence. View it anyway?

Is it still speaking?
Bucky, I'm quite certain nobody here likes you. I never see anybody even respond back to anything you say.I am probably much more well spoken and likable than you in real life.
I like Bucky.
Tell your homie to keep his mouth shut and to treat me with respect.
Respect is something you earn.
He does?

 
Report: Body Found Shot to Death, Set Fire Near Apartment Complex Where Michael Brown Died

FERGUSON, Mo. (CBS St. Louis/AP) The body of a black male was reportedly found near Canfield Green Apartments in Ferguson, the same complex where Michael Brown was fatally shot by officer Darren Wilson during an altercation Aug. 9.

KTVI-TV reports that the man, in his 20s, was shot to death and set on fire. KMOX has sent a reporter to the scene.

The St. Louis County Police Department released the following statement:

The St. Louis County Police Department is on the 9400 block of Glenn Owen in Ferguson, MO, near the intersection of Windwood and Glenn Owen.

At approximately 9 a.m. today, a citizen reported that an unresponsive man was inside a parked vehicle at that location. Responding officers discovered a deceased male inside the vehicle.

No information on the identity of the man or additional information about the man, ownership of the car or circumstances leading up to the discovery.

Detectives from the St. Louis County Crimes Against Persons are enroute to conduct the investigation.

This incident is currently being classified as a suspicious death and will remain so until evidence allows a different classification. No further information at this time.

The discovery of the body comes after a night of violent protests where gunshots rang out and dozens of buildings were set on fire and looted in the Ferguson area. More than 80 people were arrested in Ferguson and St. Louis after a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson in Browns death.

Hospitals report having treated at least 14 people who were injured during the unrest.

Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis says it admitted two injured people and treated and released five others. It didnt disclose the nature of the injuries.

Christian Hospital, near Ferguson, says it treated six people for minor injuries, and Saint Louis University Hospital says it treated one person.

Many Ferguson-area districts cancelled classes out of concern about the safety of getting children to and from school.
Odds on the following:

Witness who changed his story being punished by the mob

Bystander hit by random gunfire

Witness who sided with Wilson

Intentionally killed for something else that happened before because the killer could get away with it in the commotion

Robbery homicide

Any others?
Tried to protect his store with a few budies.....

 
Report: Body Found Shot to Death, Set Fire Near Apartment Complex Where Michael Brown Died

FERGUSON, Mo. (CBS St. Louis/AP) The body of a black male was reportedly found near Canfield Green Apartments in Ferguson, the same complex where Michael Brown was fatally shot by officer Darren Wilson during an altercation Aug. 9.

KTVI-TV reports that the man, in his 20s, was shot to death and set on fire. KMOX has sent a reporter to the scene.

The St. Louis County Police Department released the following statement:

The St. Louis County Police Department is on the 9400 block of Glenn Owen in Ferguson, MO, near the intersection of Windwood and Glenn Owen.

At approximately 9 a.m. today, a citizen reported that an unresponsive man was inside a parked vehicle at that location. Responding officers discovered a deceased male inside the vehicle.

No information on the identity of the man or additional information about the man, ownership of the car or circumstances leading up to the discovery.

Detectives from the St. Louis County Crimes Against Persons are enroute to conduct the investigation.

This incident is currently being classified as a suspicious death and will remain so until evidence allows a different classification. No further information at this time.

The discovery of the body comes after a night of violent protests where gunshots rang out and dozens of buildings were set on fire and looted in the Ferguson area. More than 80 people were arrested in Ferguson and St. Louis after a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson in Browns death.

Hospitals report having treated at least 14 people who were injured during the unrest.

Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis says it admitted two injured people and treated and released five others. It didnt disclose the nature of the injuries.

Christian Hospital, near Ferguson, says it treated six people for minor injuries, and Saint Louis University Hospital says it treated one person.

Many Ferguson-area districts cancelled classes out of concern about the safety of getting children to and from school.
Odds on the following:

Witness who changed his story being punished by the mob

Bystander hit by random gunfire

Witness who sided with Wilson

Intentionally killed for something else that happened before because the killer could get away with it in the commotion

Robbery homicide

Any others?
Ding ding ding ding ding!!!

When preparation meets opportunity....

 
Report: Body Found Shot to Death, Set Fire Near Apartment Complex Where Michael Brown Died

FERGUSON, Mo. (CBS St. Louis/AP) The body of a black male was reportedly found near Canfield Green Apartments in Ferguson, the same complex where Michael Brown was fatally shot by officer Darren Wilson during an altercation Aug. 9.

KTVI-TV reports that the man, in his 20s, was shot to death and set on fire. KMOX has sent a reporter to the scene.

The St. Louis County Police Department released the following statement:

The St. Louis County Police Department is on the 9400 block of Glenn Owen in Ferguson, MO, near the intersection of Windwood and Glenn Owen.

At approximately 9 a.m. today, a citizen reported that an unresponsive man was inside a parked vehicle at that location. Responding officers discovered a deceased male inside the vehicle.

No information on the identity of the man or additional information about the man, ownership of the car or circumstances leading up to the discovery.

Detectives from the St. Louis County Crimes Against Persons are enroute to conduct the investigation.

This incident is currently being classified as a suspicious death and will remain so until evidence allows a different classification. No further information at this time.

The discovery of the body comes after a night of violent protests where gunshots rang out and dozens of buildings were set on fire and looted in the Ferguson area. More than 80 people were arrested in Ferguson and St. Louis after a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson in Browns death.

Hospitals report having treated at least 14 people who were injured during the unrest.

Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis says it admitted two injured people and treated and released five others. It didnt disclose the nature of the injuries.

Christian Hospital, near Ferguson, says it treated six people for minor injuries, and Saint Louis University Hospital says it treated one person.

Many Ferguson-area districts cancelled classes out of concern about the safety of getting children to and from school.
Odds on the following:

Witness who changed his story being punished by the mob

Bystander hit by random gunfire

Witness who sided with Wilson

Intentionally killed for something else that happened before because the killer could get away with it in the commotion

Robbery homicide

Any others?
Tried to protect his store with a few budies.....
I figured that was robbery homicide. But we can differentiate.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
This used to be Cosby's schtick
 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
Spot on. To use this particular case to hang the hat of racial profiling, police brutality and the excessive use of deadly force might be one of the dumbest things in the history of the entire Civil Rights movement.

It's dumbfounding.
what are the three best things in the history of the civil rights movement?

 
Report: Body Found Shot to Death, Set Fire Near Apartment Complex Where Michael Brown Died

FERGUSON, Mo. (CBS St. Louis/AP) The body of a black male was reportedly found near Canfield Green Apartments in Ferguson, the same complex where Michael Brown was fatally shot by officer Darren Wilson during an altercation Aug. 9.

KTVI-TV reports that the man, in his 20s, was shot to death and set on fire. KMOX has sent a reporter to the scene.

The St. Louis County Police Department released the following statement:

The St. Louis County Police Department is on the 9400 block of Glenn Owen in Ferguson, MO, near the intersection of Windwood and Glenn Owen.

At approximately 9 a.m. today, a citizen reported that an unresponsive man was inside a parked vehicle at that location. Responding officers discovered a deceased male inside the vehicle.

No information on the identity of the man or additional information about the man, ownership of the car or circumstances leading up to the discovery.

Detectives from the St. Louis County Crimes Against Persons are enroute to conduct the investigation.

This incident is currently being classified as a suspicious death and will remain so until evidence allows a different classification. No further information at this time.

The discovery of the body comes after a night of violent protests where gunshots rang out and dozens of buildings were set on fire and looted in the Ferguson area. More than 80 people were arrested in Ferguson and St. Louis after a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson in Browns death.

Hospitals report having treated at least 14 people who were injured during the unrest.

Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis says it admitted two injured people and treated and released five others. It didnt disclose the nature of the injuries.

Christian Hospital, near Ferguson, says it treated six people for minor injuries, and Saint Louis University Hospital says it treated one person.

Many Ferguson-area districts cancelled classes out of concern about the safety of getting children to and from school.
Odds on the following:

Witness who changed his story being punished by the mob

Bystander hit by random gunfire

Witness who sided with Wilson

Intentionally killed for something else that happened before because the killer could get away with it in the commotion Favorite even money

Robbery homicide

Any others?
 
Report: Body Found Shot to Death, Set Fire Near Apartment Complex Where Michael Brown Died

FERGUSON, Mo. (CBS St. Louis/AP) The body of a black male was reportedly found near Canfield Green Apartments in Ferguson, the same complex where Michael Brown was fatally shot by officer Darren Wilson during an altercation Aug. 9.

KTVI-TV reports that the man, in his 20s, was shot to death and set on fire. KMOX has sent a reporter to the scene.

The St. Louis County Police Department released the following statement:

The St. Louis County Police Department is on the 9400 block of Glenn Owen in Ferguson, MO, near the intersection of Windwood and Glenn Owen.

At approximately 9 a.m. today, a citizen reported that an unresponsive man was inside a parked vehicle at that location. Responding officers discovered a deceased male inside the vehicle.

No information on the identity of the man or additional information about the man, ownership of the car or circumstances leading up to the discovery.

Detectives from the St. Louis County Crimes Against Persons are enroute to conduct the investigation.

This incident is currently being classified as a suspicious death and will remain so until evidence allows a different classification. No further information at this time.

The discovery of the body comes after a night of violent protests where gunshots rang out and dozens of buildings were set on fire and looted in the Ferguson area. More than 80 people were arrested in Ferguson and St. Louis after a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson in Browns death.

Hospitals report having treated at least 14 people who were injured during the unrest.

Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis says it admitted two injured people and treated and released five others. It didnt disclose the nature of the injuries.

Christian Hospital, near Ferguson, says it treated six people for minor injuries, and Saint Louis University Hospital says it treated one person.

Many Ferguson-area districts cancelled classes out of concern about the safety of getting children to and from school.
Odds on the following:

Witness who changed his story being punished by the mob

Bystander hit by random gunfire

Witness who sided with Wilson

Intentionally killed for something else that happened before because the killer could get away with it in the commotion

Robbery homicide

Any others?
Tried to protect his store with a few budies.....
I figured that was robbery homicide. But we can differentiate.
Yeah but your sentence is all serious and mine is a joke about a poster here who think's he is Rambo and his buddies are the Dirty Dozen who drink Chuck Norris' pee.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
Spot on. To use this particular case to hang the hat of racial profiling, police brutality and the excessive use of deadly force might be one of the dumbest things in the history of the entire Civil Rights movement.

It's dumbfounding.
what are the three best things in the history of the civil rights movement?
Rosa Parks

Million Man March

The Rodney King case - which was a perfect example of excessive use of force and police brutality and one to push for change.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
Spot on. To use this particular case to hang the hat of racial profiling, police brutality and the excessive use of deadly force might be one of the dumbest things in the history of the entire Civil Rights movement.

It's dumbfounding.
what are the three best things in the history of the civil rights movement?
1. Stacy Dash in Playboy.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
Spot on. To use this particular case to hang the hat of racial profiling, police brutality and the excessive use of deadly force might be one of the dumbest things in the history of the entire Civil Rights movement.

It's dumbfounding.
It's dumbfounding that people continue to think that what people are mad about is the guilt or innocence of Darren Wilson.

There's a reason this incident has received the attention it has from the civil rights community, and it's not about what happened in those 90 seconds. It's about what happened in months since then. Stuff like this and this and this.

 
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Report: Body Found Shot to Death, Set Fire Near Apartment Complex Where Michael Brown Died

FERGUSON, Mo. (CBS St. Louis/AP) The body of a black male was reportedly found near Canfield Green Apartments in Ferguson, the same complex where Michael Brown was fatally shot by officer Darren Wilson during an altercation Aug. 9.

KTVI-TV reports that the man, in his 20s, was shot to death and set on fire. KMOX has sent a reporter to the scene.

The St. Louis County Police Department released the following statement:

The St. Louis County Police Department is on the 9400 block of Glenn Owen in Ferguson, MO, near the intersection of Windwood and Glenn Owen.

At approximately 9 a.m. today, a citizen reported that an unresponsive man was inside a parked vehicle at that location. Responding officers discovered a deceased male inside the vehicle.

No information on the identity of the man or additional information about the man, ownership of the car or circumstances leading up to the discovery.

Detectives from the St. Louis County Crimes Against Persons are enroute to conduct the investigation.

This incident is currently being classified as a suspicious death and will remain so until evidence allows a different classification. No further information at this time.

The discovery of the body comes after a night of violent protests where gunshots rang out and dozens of buildings were set on fire and looted in the Ferguson area. More than 80 people were arrested in Ferguson and St. Louis after a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson in Browns death.

Hospitals report having treated at least 14 people who were injured during the unrest.

Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis says it admitted two injured people and treated and released five others. It didnt disclose the nature of the injuries.

Christian Hospital, near Ferguson, says it treated six people for minor injuries, and Saint Louis University Hospital says it treated one person.

Many Ferguson-area districts cancelled classes out of concern about the safety of getting children to and from school.
Odds on the following:

Witness who changed his story being punished by the mob

Bystander hit by random gunfire

Witness who sided with Wilson

Intentionally killed for something else that happened before because the killer could get away with it in the commotion

Robbery homicide

Any others?
Tried to protect his store with a few budies.....
I figured that was robbery homicide. But we can differentiate.
Yeah but your sentence is all serious and mine is a joke about a poster here who think's he is Rambo and his buddies are the Dirty Dozen who drink Chuck Norris' pee.
Oh, right. Sorry. Carry on.

 
Report: Body Found Shot to Death, Set Fire Near Apartment Complex Where Michael Brown Died

FERGUSON, Mo. (CBS St. Louis/AP) The body of a black male was reportedly found near Canfield Green Apartments in Ferguson, the same complex where Michael Brown was fatally shot by officer Darren Wilson during an altercation Aug. 9.

KTVI-TV reports that the man, in his 20s, was shot to death and set on fire. KMOX has sent a reporter to the scene.

The St. Louis County Police Department released the following statement:

The St. Louis County Police Department is on the 9400 block of Glenn Owen in Ferguson, MO, near the intersection of Windwood and Glenn Owen.

At approximately 9 a.m. today, a citizen reported that an unresponsive man was inside a parked vehicle at that location. Responding officers discovered a deceased male inside the vehicle.

No information on the identity of the man or additional information about the man, ownership of the car or circumstances leading up to the discovery.

Detectives from the St. Louis County Crimes Against Persons are enroute to conduct the investigation.

This incident is currently being classified as a suspicious death and will remain so until evidence allows a different classification. No further information at this time.

The discovery of the body comes after a night of violent protests where gunshots rang out and dozens of buildings were set on fire and looted in the Ferguson area. More than 80 people were arrested in Ferguson and St. Louis after a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson in Browns death.

Hospitals report having treated at least 14 people who were injured during the unrest.

Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis says it admitted two injured people and treated and released five others. It didnt disclose the nature of the injuries.

Christian Hospital, near Ferguson, says it treated six people for minor injuries, and Saint Louis University Hospital says it treated one person.

Many Ferguson-area districts cancelled classes out of concern about the safety of getting children to and from school.
Odds on the following:

Witness who changed his story being punished by the mob

Bystander hit by random gunfire

Witness who sided with Wilson

Intentionally killed for something else that happened before because the killer could get away with it in the commotion

Robbery homicide

Any others?
Tried to protect his store with a few budies.....
Accidental shooting and fire by his own hand.

 
why do people get SO mad at looting? I guess its the visual.

Some people see some Captain Morgan and a George Foreman grill walk out the door and spiral into deep rage.

Who cares?
You might, if it was your place being looted.
In my case, I wouldn't like it, but at the end of the day it's just stuff. It can be replaced. Photos and documents are stored online as a backup. That's all I really care about.

We are so attached to just absolute consumer crap

 
Report: Body Found Shot to Death, Set Fire Near Apartment Complex Where Michael Brown Died

FERGUSON, Mo. (CBS St. Louis/AP) The body of a black male was reportedly found near Canfield Green Apartments in Ferguson, the same complex where Michael Brown was fatally shot by officer Darren Wilson during an altercation Aug. 9.

KTVI-TV reports that the man, in his 20s, was shot to death and set on fire. KMOX has sent a reporter to the scene.

The St. Louis County Police Department released the following statement:

The St. Louis County Police Department is on the 9400 block of Glenn Owen in Ferguson, MO, near the intersection of Windwood and Glenn Owen.

At approximately 9 a.m. today, a citizen reported that an unresponsive man was inside a parked vehicle at that location. Responding officers discovered a deceased male inside the vehicle.

No information on the identity of the man or additional information about the man, ownership of the car or circumstances leading up to the discovery.

Detectives from the St. Louis County Crimes Against Persons are enroute to conduct the investigation.

This incident is currently being classified as a suspicious death and will remain so until evidence allows a different classification. No further information at this time.

The discovery of the body comes after a night of violent protests where gunshots rang out and dozens of buildings were set on fire and looted in the Ferguson area. More than 80 people were arrested in Ferguson and St. Louis after a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson in Browns death.

Hospitals report having treated at least 14 people who were injured during the unrest.

Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis says it admitted two injured people and treated and released five others. It didnt disclose the nature of the injuries.

Christian Hospital, near Ferguson, says it treated six people for minor injuries, and Saint Louis University Hospital says it treated one person.

Many Ferguson-area districts cancelled classes out of concern about the safety of getting children to and from school.
Odds on the following:

Witness who changed his story being punished by the mob

Bystander hit by random gunfire

Witness who sided with Wilson

Intentionally killed for something else that happened before because the killer could get away with it in the commotion

Robbery homicide

Any others?
Tried to protect his store with a few budies.....
Accidental shooting and fire by his own hand.
posted one too many memes on Internet message board.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
This used to be Cosby's schtick
schtick? we need more of this......without the future rape allegations

 
why do people get SO mad at looting? I guess its the visual.

Some people see some Captain Morgan and a George Foreman grill walk out the door and spiral into deep rage.

Who cares?
You might, if it was your place being looted.
In my case, I wouldn't like it, but at the end of the day it's just stuff. It can be replaced. Photos and documents are stored online as a backup. That's all I really care about.

We are so attached to just absolute consumer crap
It's not just stuff... it's their livelihood. It's their means to feed their families. If they're underinsured it can quickly become a nightmare.

I don't think you really grasp why it's bad. We're not talking about someone getting their Xbox stolen here...

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
Spot on. To use this particular case to hang the hat of racial profiling, police brutality and the excessive use of deadly force might be one of the dumbest things in the history of the entire Civil Rights movement.

It's dumbfounding.
It's dumbfounding that people continue to think that what people are mad about is the guilt or innocence of Darren Wilson.

There's a reason this incident has received the attention it has from the civil rights community, and it's not about what happened in those 90 seconds. It's about what happened in months since then. Stuff like this and this and this.
Excellent points, don't forget about:

Hands up, don't shoot, I'm not doing anything wrong

Or this

Or this

Or my favorite

 
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Report: Body Found Shot to Death, Set Fire Near Apartment Complex Where Michael Brown Died

FERGUSON, Mo. (CBS St. Louis/AP) The body of a black male was reportedly found near Canfield Green Apartments in Ferguson, the same complex where Michael Brown was fatally shot by officer Darren Wilson during an altercation Aug. 9.

KTVI-TV reports that the man, in his 20s, was shot to death and set on fire. KMOX has sent a reporter to the scene.

The St. Louis County Police Department released the following statement:

The St. Louis County Police Department is on the 9400 block of Glenn Owen in Ferguson, MO, near the intersection of Windwood and Glenn Owen.

At approximately 9 a.m. today, a citizen reported that an unresponsive man was inside a parked vehicle at that location. Responding officers discovered a deceased male inside the vehicle.

No information on the identity of the man or additional information about the man, ownership of the car or circumstances leading up to the discovery.

Detectives from the St. Louis County Crimes Against Persons are enroute to conduct the investigation.

This incident is currently being classified as a suspicious death and will remain so until evidence allows a different classification. No further information at this time.

The discovery of the body comes after a night of violent protests where gunshots rang out and dozens of buildings were set on fire and looted in the Ferguson area. More than 80 people were arrested in Ferguson and St. Louis after a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson in Browns death.

Hospitals report having treated at least 14 people who were injured during the unrest.

Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis says it admitted two injured people and treated and released five others. It didnt disclose the nature of the injuries.

Christian Hospital, near Ferguson, says it treated six people for minor injuries, and Saint Louis University Hospital says it treated one person.

Many Ferguson-area districts cancelled classes out of concern about the safety of getting children to and from school.
Odds on the following:

Witness who changed his story being punished by the mob

Bystander hit by random gunfire

Witness who sided with Wilson

Intentionally killed for something else that happened before because the killer could get away with it in the commotion

Robbery homicide

Any others?
He was inside a car. Perhaps carbon monoxide.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
This used to be Cosby's schtick
schtick? we need more of this......without the future rape allegations
yes, shtick. The "old black conservative who blames black people for racism so white conservatives will make you their hero and ignore the thousands of other more informed people who understand the complexity of the issues" guy. I love Chuck, but it's pure shtick. He's a 51 year old multimillionaire celebrity who travels from the TNT studios to golf tournaments to basketball games in limos and private jets. He knows less about the problems facing poor black communities than the vast majority of the US population.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
Spot on. To use this particular case to hang the hat of racial profiling, police brutality and the excessive use of deadly force might be one of the dumbest things in the history of the entire Civil Rights movement.It's dumbfounding.
What you don't get is that it wasn't planned. There's an old story about a French politician who goes running after a crowd shouting "there goes my people! I must find out where they are going so I can lead them!" The civil rights leadership didn't pick this story. Local blacks got pissed off, and made noise, and the national leaders showed up later. That's usually how it works.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
Spot on. To use this particular case to hang the hat of racial profiling, police brutality and the excessive use of deadly force might be one of the dumbest things in the history of the entire Civil Rights movement.

It's dumbfounding.
It's dumbfounding that people continue to think that what people are mad about is the guilt or innocence of Darren Wilson.

There's a reason this incident has received the attention it has from the civil rights community, and it's not about what happened in those 90 seconds. It's about what happened in months since then. Stuff like this and this and this.
All you keep hearing on the stupid box is justice was not served.

Forget intelligent discussion on what went on after....that is not news and of no bearing to 95% of the protesters and 100% of the looters.

I am commenting on the views of using this case as a basis for excessive force and police brutality. This officer should not have been indicated. He acted within the scope of his duty as a police officer and use of deadly force based on all the evidence gathered and eye witness accounts with corroborated with his account of what led to the shooting.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
This used to be Cosby's schtick
schtick? we need more of this......without the future rape allegations
yes, shtick. The "old black conservative who blames black people for racism so white conservatives will make you their hero and ignore the thousands of other more informed people who understand the complexity of the issues" guy. I love Chuck, but it's pure shtick. He's a 51 year old multimillionaire celebrity who travels from the TNT studios to golf tournaments to basketball games in limos and private jets. He knows less about the problems facing poor black communities than the vast majority of the US population.
Where did he come from?...He may know a touch more than you about poor black people or how about just black people in general.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
Spot on. To use this particular case to hang the hat of racial profiling, police brutality and the excessive use of deadly force might be one of the dumbest things in the history of the entire Civil Rights movement.

It's dumbfounding.
It's dumbfounding that people continue to think that what people are mad about is the guilt or innocence of Darren Wilson.

There's a reason this incident has received the attention it has from the civil rights community, and it's not about what happened in those 90 seconds. It's about what happened in months since then. Stuff like this and this and this.
All you keep hearing on the stupid box is justice was not served.

Forget intelligent discussion on what went on after....that is not news and of no bearing to 95% of the protesters and 100% of the looters.

I am commenting on the views of using this case as a basis for excessive force and police brutality. This officer should not have been indicated. He acted within the scope of his duty as a police officer and use of deadly force based on all the evidence gathered and eye witness accounts with corroborated with his account of what led to the shooting.
Virtually every single thing I've read about the protests says otherwise.

The Brown shooting is a lynchpin. People don't think justice was served because they don't trust the system. They don't trust the system because of the behavior of the police starting from the moment Brown's body dropped (and they left it rotting in the street for hours), and probably in the years preceding the shooting as well.

That's why this has become such a high-profile case, in my opinion at least. As you noted, this isn't exactly a model case for the civil rights movement if you look only at the facts of the incident. You asked why people are "hanging their hats" on Ferguson given the facts surrounding the incident itself. I think that's why. If you've got a better explanation, I'm happy to discuss it.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
This used to be Cosby's schtick
schtick? we need more of this......without the future rape allegations
yes, shtick. The "old black conservative who blames black people for racism so white conservatives will make you their hero and ignore the thousands of other more informed people who understand the complexity of the issues" guy. I love Chuck, but it's pure shtick. He's a 51 year old multimillionaire celebrity who travels from the TNT studios to golf tournaments to basketball games in limos and private jets. He knows less about the problems facing poor black communities than the vast majority of the US population.
So successful black people are unable to talk for or represent black people? He wouldn't have any clue what young black men face because when he was growing up in Alabama it was like the Garden of Eden down there?

Your opinion is dangerous. And it is shared by too many people.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
Spot on. To use this particular case to hang the hat of racial profiling, police brutality and the excessive use of deadly force might be one of the dumbest things in the history of the entire Civil Rights movement.

It's dumbfounding.
It's dumbfounding that people continue to think that what people are mad about is the guilt or innocence of Darren Wilson.

There's a reason this incident has received the attention it has from the civil rights community, and it's not about what happened in those 90 seconds. It's about what happened in months since then. Stuff like this and this and this.
All you keep hearing on the stupid box is justice was not served.

Forget intelligent discussion on what went on after....that is not news and of no bearing to 95% of the protesters and 100% of the looters.

I am commenting on the views of using this case as a basis for excessive force and police brutality. This officer should not have been indicated. He acted within the scope of his duty as a police officer and use of deadly force based on all the evidence gathered and eye witness accounts with corroborated with his account of what led to the shooting.
Virtually every single thing I've read about the protests says otherwise.

The Brown shooting is a lynchpin. People don't think justice was served because they don't trust the system. They don't trust the system because of the behavior of the police starting from the moment Brown's body dropped (and they left it rotting in the street for hours), and probably in the years preceding the shooting as well.

That's why this has become such a high-profile case, in my opinion at least. As you noted, this isn't exactly a model case for the civil rights movement if you look only at the facts of the incident. You asked why people are "hanging their hats" on Ferguson given the facts surrounding the incident itself. I think that's why. If you've got a better explanation, I'm happy to discuss it.
:X

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
This used to be Cosby's schtick
schtick? we need more of this......without the future rape allegations
yes, shtick. The "old black conservative who blames black people for racism so white conservatives will make you their hero and ignore the thousands of other more informed people who understand the complexity of the issues" guy. I love Chuck, but it's pure shtick. He's a 51 year old multimillionaire celebrity who travels from the TNT studios to golf tournaments to basketball games in limos and private jets. He knows less about the problems facing poor black communities than the vast majority of the US population.
So successful black people are unable to talk for or represent black people? He wouldn't have any clue what young black men face because when he was growing up in Alabama it was like the Garden of Eden down there?

Your opinion is dangerous. And it is shared by too many people.
Of course that's not what I'm saying. Anyone can talk for or represent whomever they choose. And yes, he can speak with particular insight about growing up poor and black ... in the 1970s.

His opinion has value. All opinions have value. My problem is with people who give his opinion greater value simply because he's black and they like what he says, and then turn around and ignore the many, many, many people who are far closer to today's poor black communities than he is who offer a much different perspective.

 
Report: Body Found Shot to Death, Set Fire Near Apartment Complex Where Michael Brown Died

FERGUSON, Mo. (CBS St. Louis/AP) The body of a black male was reportedly found near Canfield Green Apartments in Ferguson, the same complex where Michael Brown was fatally shot by officer Darren Wilson during an altercation Aug. 9.

KTVI-TV reports that the man, in his 20s, was shot to death and set on fire. KMOX has sent a reporter to the scene.

The St. Louis County Police Department released the following statement:

The St. Louis County Police Department is on the 9400 block of Glenn Owen in Ferguson, MO, near the intersection of Windwood and Glenn Owen.

At approximately 9 a.m. today, a citizen reported that an unresponsive man was inside a parked vehicle at that location. Responding officers discovered a deceased male inside the vehicle.

No information on the identity of the man or additional information about the man, ownership of the car or circumstances leading up to the discovery.

Detectives from the St. Louis County Crimes Against Persons are enroute to conduct the investigation.

This incident is currently being classified as a suspicious death and will remain so until evidence allows a different classification. No further information at this time.

The discovery of the body comes after a night of violent protests where gunshots rang out and dozens of buildings were set on fire and looted in the Ferguson area. More than 80 people were arrested in Ferguson and St. Louis after a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson in Browns death.

Hospitals report having treated at least 14 people who were injured during the unrest.

Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis says it admitted two injured people and treated and released five others. It didnt disclose the nature of the injuries.

Christian Hospital, near Ferguson, says it treated six people for minor injuries, and Saint Louis University Hospital says it treated one person.

Many Ferguson-area districts cancelled classes out of concern about the safety of getting children to and from school.
Odds on the following:

Witness who changed his story being punished by the mob

Bystander hit by random gunfire

Witness who sided with Wilson

Intentionally killed for something else that happened before because the killer could get away with it in the commotion

Robbery homicide

Any others?
He was inside a car. Perhaps carbon monoxide.
Oh, or "the police executed him."

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
Spot on. To use this particular case to hang the hat of racial profiling, police brutality and the excessive use of deadly force might be one of the dumbest things in the history of the entire Civil Rights movement.

It's dumbfounding.
It's dumbfounding that people continue to think that what people are mad about is the guilt or innocence of Darren Wilson.

There's a reason this incident has received the attention it has from the civil rights community, and it's not about what happened in those 90 seconds. It's about what happened in months since then. Stuff like this and this and this.
All you keep hearing on the stupid box is justice was not served.

Forget intelligent discussion on what went on after....that is not news and of no bearing to 95% of the protesters and 100% of the looters.

I am commenting on the views of using this case as a basis for excessive force and police brutality. This officer should not have been indicated. He acted within the scope of his duty as a police officer and use of deadly force based on all the evidence gathered and eye witness accounts with corroborated with his account of what led to the shooting.
Virtually every single thing I've read about the protests says otherwise.

The Brown shooting is a lynchpin. People don't think justice was served because they don't trust the system. They don't trust the system because of the behavior of the police starting from the moment Brown's body dropped (and they left it rotting in the street for hours), and probably in the years preceding the shooting as well.

That's why this has become such a high-profile case, in my opinion at least. As you noted, this isn't exactly a model case for the civil rights movement if you look only at the facts of the incident. You asked why people are "hanging their hats" on Ferguson given the facts surrounding the incident itself. I think that's why. If you've got a better explanation, I'm happy to discuss it.
It's where all the cameras are right now. And the fact that the Attorney General of the United States went down there in the middle of the investigation and stoked the flames made it a political story more than it had to be.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
This used to be Cosby's schtick
schtick? we need more of this......without the future rape allegations
yes, shtick. The "old black conservative who blames black people for racism so white conservatives will make you their hero and ignore the thousands of other more informed people who understand the complexity of the issues" guy. I love Chuck, but it's pure shtick. He's a 51 year old multimillionaire celebrity who travels from the TNT studios to golf tournaments to basketball games in limos and private jets. He knows less about the problems facing poor black communities than the vast majority of the US population.
So successful black people are unable to talk for or represent black people? He wouldn't have any clue what young black men face because when he was growing up in Alabama it was like the Garden of Eden down there?

Your opinion is dangerous. And it is shared by too many people.
Of course that's not what I'm saying. Anyone can talk for or represent whomever they choose. And yes, he can speak with particular insight about growing up poor and black ... in the 1970s.

His opinion has value. All opinions have value. My problem is with people who give his opinion greater value simply because he's black and they like what he says, and then turn around and ignore the many, many, many people who are far closer to today's poor black communities than he is who offer a much different perspective.
As we are all aware, times were flourishing for the poor black community in the 1970's.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
Spot on. To use this particular case to hang the hat of racial profiling, police brutality and the excessive use of deadly force might be one of the dumbest things in the history of the entire Civil Rights movement.

It's dumbfounding.
It's dumbfounding that people continue to think that what people are mad about is the guilt or innocence of Darren Wilson.

There's a reason this incident has received the attention it has from the civil rights community, and it's not about what happened in those 90 seconds. It's about what happened in months since then. Stuff like this and this and this.
All you keep hearing on the stupid box is justice was not served.

Forget intelligent discussion on what went on after....that is not news and of no bearing to 95% of the protesters and 100% of the looters.

I am commenting on the views of using this case as a basis for excessive force and police brutality. This officer should not have been indicated. He acted within the scope of his duty as a police officer and use of deadly force based on all the evidence gathered and eye witness accounts with corroborated with his account of what led to the shooting.
Virtually every single thing I've read about the protests says otherwise.

The Brown shooting is a lynchpin. People don't think justice was served because they don't trust the system. They don't trust the system because of the behavior of the police starting from the moment Brown's body dropped (and they left it rotting in the street for hours), and probably in the years preceding the shooting as well.

That's why this has become such a high-profile case, in my opinion at least. As you noted, this isn't exactly a model case for the civil rights movement if you look only at the facts of the incident. You asked why people are "hanging their hats" on Ferguson given the facts surrounding the incident itself. I think that's why. If you've got a better explanation, I'm happy to discuss it.
No you have very valid points and that is an entirely different discussion. What seems to be the hot topic all over social media (which seems to be the new way people converse and quite frankly why I stay off of Facebook and the like) and just the media in general is the fact no indictment was handed down, like this kid was murdered, gunned down etc. Now I did listen and hear concerns in how the system determines if a trial should happen and that the black community did not trust the process. Still using this case is a bad example. We have a kid who did things that led to his untimely demise. Regardless of what transpired after it is pretty clear the officer had little choice in the matter. The evidence used to determine if there indeed was a case said so.

I am going to dig and read on everything that happened the moment he went down. That is another story. But your not hearing nearly as much about those issues as the hot button of, no trial to try this officer for negligent homicide.

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
This used to be Cosby's schtick
schtick? we need more of this......without the future rape allegations
yes, shtick. The "old black conservative who blames black people for racism so white conservatives will make you their hero and ignore the thousands of other more informed people who understand the complexity of the issues" guy. I love Chuck, but it's pure shtick. He's a 51 year old multimillionaire celebrity who travels from the TNT studios to golf tournaments to basketball games in limos and private jets. He knows less about the problems facing poor black communities than the vast majority of the US population.
So who do you suggest we get to help out the poor black communities if not for someone like Charles Barkley? Maybe a Mitt Romney?

 
Charles Barkley keeping it real on Philly radio right now.

"We can't just pick and choose events that go against us, if it weren't for police our neighborhoods would be the Wild Wild West."

And calling out black people that wear their jeans around their asses acting like thugs who say educated black people aren't keeping it real and not being black enough.
This used to be Cosby's schtick
schtick? we need more of this......without the future rape allegations
yes, shtick. The "old black conservative who blames black people for racism so white conservatives will make you their hero and ignore the thousands of other more informed people who understand the complexity of the issues" guy. I love Chuck, but it's pure shtick. He's a 51 year old multimillionaire celebrity who travels from the TNT studios to golf tournaments to basketball games in limos and private jets. He knows less about the problems facing poor black communities than the vast majority of the US population.
How about the shtick, the "old white liberal who makes himself feel better by blaming white people regardless of facts and thinks he knows how black people are suppose to think" guy. Is Charles not black enough for you?

 

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