Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

Anyone see this video of a driver running their car through a crowd of protestors after they swarm the vehicle and running over at least one person?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiRoRtdiSg

I am sure some of the more sane posters in this thread would have simply stopped the car, allowed the mob to beat the #### out of it and then snatch them out of the vehicle rather than risk taking another person's life...I mean, their life has value and all.

In Missouri, lethal force is allowed if you are in a dwelling or vehicle and somebody tries to break in or threaten your life. I looked it up. It's a bit different than your business. It's your life.

eta* But that's Minneapolis. Good for the driver, regardless. #### that Reginald Denny result that might come from acquiescence.

 

[Jim11]

So based on the above article, we really don't know whether Brown tried to seize Wilson's gun or not. We really don't know how far the distance was between them when Wilson fatally shot Brown. For both of these, so far as I know, all we have is Wilson's testimony plus several unreliable witnesses who contradict each other. Many of you have simply bought into Wilson's claims without questioning them at all. Many of you have treated them as undisputable facts, and have used them to justify all or most of your thinking on this issue. And they may be what actually happened. But we don't know.

Simple question - do you believe that Mike Brown assaulted Officer Wilson?

Simple answer: yes. It is my hunch that he did. Michael Brown was a stupid thug. However I don't know for sure. Did Michael Brown try to seize Wilson's gun? I have no ####### idea.Did Michael Brown, already wounded, having walked or run away from the car, suddenly turn around at a distance of 40 feet or more and charge an armed policeman, with a gun pointed at him, like a mad wounded animal? I have NEVER been able to believe this, sorry. Even for a dumb thug like Brown it doesn't make any sense. Sure it's possible. But I don't buy it.

So you think it's more plausible that Wilson basically executed him, correct? With all the evidence, including Brown's actions in the convenience store, where we saw him push an old man, then turn around and walk towards him in a menacing manner, you choose to believe that Wilson shot him for no reason.

No, that's never made sense to me either. My hunch (and that's all it is) is that Brown stupidly attacked Wilson like the thug he is, and ran away. And then Wilson lost his cool and shot Brown to death.

At what point does Wilson shoot him?

Well we're pretty sure he was shot once at the car. And then Wilson shot him outside of the car, at some kind of distance.

Is it your belief that Brown was running away or surrendering while he was shot to death?

I don't know. I don't think he was charging though.

Despite the testimony of witnesses. And despite Brown getting shot in the top of his head.

 

[Kevrunner]

I guess it is too late now for a beer summit.

 

[Daywalker]

Does anyone think Wilson dragged Brown into his car window?

I don't think so either.

That said, not odd to think Brown charged Wilson at a later point. He had already done something just as crazy.

 

[rockaction]

Anyone see this video of a driver running their car through a crowd of protestors after they swarm the vehicle and running over at least one person?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiRoRtdiSg

I am sure some of the more sane posters in this thread would have simply stopped the car, allowed the mob to beat the #### out of it and then snatch them out of the vehicle rather than risk taking another person's life...I mean, their life has value and all.

Also, this happened to me at an intersection in New Haven one night. It was a weird flash mob type thing. I didn't gun the engine, or run over anyone, but I certainly pulled out and parted sea into a bunch of people who had no real desire to #### with me nor my car (not a big one, and me, younger and more relatable, probably). I then went to a downtown bar where they promptly shut it all down, barred the doors, and let us order drinks.

Interesting night. I hated that my car was outside. Nobody messed with it. Probably peaceful. But once people start beating on windows or hoods, then it's time to worry a bit and get aggressive.

/endstory

 

[mcintyre1]

So based on the above article, we really don't know whether Brown tried to seize Wilson's gun or not. We really don't know how far the distance was between them when Wilson fatally shot Brown. For both of these, so far as I know, all we have is Wilson's testimony plus several unreliable witnesses who contradict each other. Many of you have simply bought into Wilson's claims without questioning them at all. Many of you have treated them as undisputable facts, and have used them to justify all or most of your thinking on this issue. And they may be what actually happened. But we don't know.

Simple question - do you believe that Mike Brown assaulted Officer Wilson?

Simple answer: yes. It is my hunch that he did. Michael Brown was a stupid thug. However I don't know for sure. Did Michael Brown try to seize Wilson's gun? I have no ####### idea.Did Michael Brown, already wounded, having walked or run away from the car, suddenly turn around at a distance of 40 feet or more and charge an armed policeman, with a gun pointed at him, like a mad wounded animal? I have NEVER been able to believe this, sorry. Even for a dumb thug like Brown it doesn't make any sense. Sure it's possible. But I don't buy it.

So you think it's more plausible that Wilson basically executed him, correct? With all the evidence, including Brown's actions in the convenience store, where we saw him push an old man, then turn around and walk towards him in a menacing manner, you choose to believe that Wilson shot him for no reason.

No, that's never made sense to me either. My hunch (and that's all it is) is that Brown stupidly attacked Wilson like the thug he is, and ran away. And then Wilson lost his cool and shot Brown to death.

At what point does Wilson shoot him?

Well we're pretty sure he was shot once at the car. And then Wilson shot him outside of the car, at some kind of distance.

Is it your belief that Brown was running away or surrendering while he was shot to death?

I don't know. I don't think he was charging though.

So you think it is possible that Michael Brown was backpedaling his fat ### away from the cop like a corner back, hence no bullet wounds in the back?

Based on what I've read of Wilson's account of the event and witness interviews, my most likely version of events is that there was an altercation at the car due to the aggressive nature of both parties (Wilson yelled an order, Brown yelled back, Wilson backed up to confront, some kind of fighting took place at the car window). Wilson pulls his gun and aims it at Brown, threatening to shoot him. Brown tries to deflect the gun barrel away from his body and receives the wound to the inside base of his right thumb and begins to run away (he passed two parked cars or roughly 30 feet, per Wilson's interview on Aug 10) before stopping and turning toward Wilson. Here's where I think the key mistake happens. Wilson claims that after Brown turned, he was "wild eyed" and "hopped" as if he were going to start running and reached his right arm down toward his waistband. Wilson emphasizes this point about him reaching down several times. It was during this "first stride" that Wilson began firing (and, per his testimony, Brown channeled The Terminator). Per Wilson, Brown covered about 10-15 feet before falling to the ground dead, charging all the way by his account.

What I think is more plausible than the classic "superhuman black man" trope that Wilson is alleging was that Brown turned back when he realized he had been shot in the hand (with an exit wound going down through a bit of his forearm, a nasty wound and bad enough to cover Wilson's hands in Brown's blood) and brought his injured arm down to his waist (how many of us have hurt our hands and instinctively dropped your hand down toward your waist?), maybe even stumbling forward to produce the "hop" motion Wilson says he saw. Wilson, fresh off of fighting with this man, interpreted the motion as a move for a weapon and unloaded. Brown is only alleged to have covered 10-15 feet before falling dead. Since this is FBG's, I assume most of you have stepped onto a football field before and have some sense of what 3-5 yards looks like on the ground. I seems very plausible for a 6'4" person to stumble forward and cover 3-5 yards in total.

That falls much more closely in line with the majority of witness accounts, which indicate the Brown turned back toward Wilson, moved a short distance toward him before he died, and did not have his arms raised above his head (several said his arms were at his sides, several say that he raised them to chest level). Draw your right hand toward your body as if it has been injured and put your left arm out in front of you as if you're protecting yourself. To me, that's a normal stance that reflects the injury known to have happened to Brown, and which would result in the conflicting testimony of witnesses, none of which saw the entire event and all of whom saw it from different angles.

 

[SIDA!]

Anyone listening to the absolute buffoonery of Ron Johnson, the Missouri State Highway Patrol Captain? This guy and others like him are the ones we are supposed to place our faith in. He basically just said the following:

1. Nobody could have imagined what happened last night could have happened

2. Had they possessed a crystal ball they would have reacted differently

3. He then goes on to say that nobody thought it was going to reach this magnitude and that if you go through our nation's recent history we have not seen anything like this.

So, our professional public safety leaders are incapable of envisioning scenarios whereby people would want to burn and steal ####. And I guess there were no lessons to be learned from the August rioting in the same city and I guess the Rodney King riots that spanned five days and involved the deaths of more than 50 people isn't recent enough history.

Wow. The state of Missouri needs a purge throughout its ranks of public servants...from Governor Nixon to Johnson to the St. Louis County police chief.

 

[rockaction]

Anyone listening to the absolute buffoonery of Ron Johnson, the Missouri State Highway Patrol Captain? This guy and others like him are the ones we are supposed to place our faith in. He basically just said the following:

1. Nobody could have imagined what happened last night could have happened

2. Had they possessed a crystal ball they would have reacted differently

3. He then goes on to say that nobody thought it was going to reach this magnitude and that if you go through our nation's recent history we have not seen anything like this.

So, our professional public safety leaders are incapable of envisioning scenarios whereby people would want to burn and steal ####. And I guess there were no lessons to be learned from the August rioting in the same city and I guess the Rodney King riots that spanned five days and involved the deaths of more than 50 people isn't recent enough history.

Wow. The state of Missouri needs a purge throughout its ranks of public servants...from Governor Nixon to Johnson to the St. Louis County police chief.

Watts up, Ron?

eta* Nah, dude, this was a stand-down effort by those in charge who don't want to be seen as paramilitary outfits. This could have been crushed in two seconds. They chose not to. Who to blame? Depends on a lot of things, probably including your own political outlook. I'm going to sweep the whole spectrum and say everything from the legal process, administrative justice, police tactics and unions, the military-industrial complex that has let these police departments have these paramilitary-style devices, to the problem with witness testimony, to the problem with transparency, to systemic segregation, to gentrification, to civil servants' pay so that the local officers want to or can afford to live in certain areas (see: public unions)...

"What are you protesting?"

"What have you got?"

 

[Daywalker]

So you think it is possible that Michael Brown was backpedaling his fat ### away from the cop like a corner back, hence no bullet wounds in the back?

Based on what I've read of Wilson's account of the event and witness interviews, my most likely version of events is that there was an altercation at the car due to the aggressive nature of both parties (Wilson yelled an order, Brown yelled back, Wilson backed up to confront, some kind of fighting took place at the car window). Wilson pulls his gun and aims it at Brown, threatening to shoot him. Brown tries to deflect the gun barrel away from his body and receives the wound to the inside base of his right thumb and begins to run away (he passed two parked cars or roughly 30 feet, per Wilson's interview on Aug 10) before stopping and turning toward Wilson. Here's where I think the key mistake happens. Wilson claims that after Brown turned, he was "wild eyed" and "hopped" as if he were going to start running and reached his right arm down toward his waistband. Wilson emphasizes this point about him reaching down several times. It was during this "first stride" that Wilson began firing (and, per his testimony, Brown channeled The Terminator). Per Wilson, Brown covered about 10-15 feet before falling to the ground dead, charging all the way by his account.

What I think is more plausible than the classic "superhuman black man" trope that Wilson is alleging was that Brown turned back when he realized he had been shot in the hand (with an exit wound going down through a bit of his forearm, a nasty wound and bad enough to cover Wilson's hands in Brown's blood) and brought his injured arm down to his waist (how many of us have hurt our hands and instinctively dropped your hand down toward your waist?), maybe even stumbling forward to produce the "hop" motion Wilson says he saw. Wilson, fresh off of fighting with this man, interpreted the motion as a move for a weapon and unloaded. Brown is only alleged to have covered 10-15 feet before falling dead. Since this is FBG's, I assume most of you have stepped onto a football field before and have some sense of what 3-5 yards looks like on the ground. I seems very plausible for a 6'4" person to stumble forward and cover 3-5 yards in total.

That falls much more closely in line with the majority of witness accounts, which indicate the Brown turned back toward Wilson, moved a short distance toward him before he died, and did not have his arms raised above his head (several said his arms were at his sides, several say that he raised them to chest level). Draw your right hand toward your body as if it has been injured and put your left arm out in front of you as if you're protecting yourself. To me, that's a normal stance that reflects the injury known to have happened to Brown, and which would result in the conflicting testimony of witnesses, none of which saw the entire event and all of whom saw it from different angles.

[SIZE=13.63636302948px]So Wilson tried to wrangle Brown from inside his car or Brown attacked the officer in his car? Or were they just both aggressive?[/SIZE]

 

[Raider Nation]

Anyone listening to the absolute buffoonery of Ron Johnson, the Missouri State Highway Patrol Captain?

He took a girl I know to The Point one night. Had his way with her, then sent her flowers later on.

 

[mcintyre1]

So you think it is possible that Michael Brown was backpedaling his fat ### away from the cop like a corner back, hence no bullet wounds in the back?

Based on what I've read of Wilson's account of the event and witness interviews, my most likely version of events is that there was an altercation at the car due to the aggressive nature of both parties (Wilson yelled an order, Brown yelled back, Wilson backed up to confront, some kind of fighting took place at the car window). Wilson pulls his gun and aims it at Brown, threatening to shoot him. Brown tries to deflect the gun barrel away from his body and receives the wound to the inside base of his right thumb and begins to run away (he passed two parked cars or roughly 30 feet, per Wilson's interview on Aug 10) before stopping and turning toward Wilson. Here's where I think the key mistake happens. Wilson claims that after Brown turned, he was "wild eyed" and "hopped" as if he were going to start running and reached his right arm down toward his waistband. Wilson emphasizes this point about him reaching down several times. It was during this "first stride" that Wilson began firing (and, per his testimony, Brown channeled The Terminator). Per Wilson, Brown covered about 10-15 feet before falling to the ground dead, charging all the way by his account.

What I think is more plausible than the classic "superhuman black man" trope that Wilson is alleging was that Brown turned back when he realized he had been shot in the hand (with an exit wound going down through a bit of his forearm, a nasty wound and bad enough to cover Wilson's hands in Brown's blood) and brought his injured arm down to his waist (how many of us have hurt our hands and instinctively dropped your hand down toward your waist?), maybe even stumbling forward to produce the "hop" motion Wilson says he saw. Wilson, fresh off of fighting with this man, interpreted the motion as a move for a weapon and unloaded. Brown is only alleged to have covered 10-15 feet before falling dead. Since this is FBG's, I assume most of you have stepped onto a football field before and have some sense of what 3-5 yards looks like on the ground. I seems very plausible for a 6'4" person to stumble forward and cover 3-5 yards in total.

That falls much more closely in line with the majority of witness accounts, which indicate the Brown turned back toward Wilson, moved a short distance toward him before he died, and did not have his arms raised above his head (several said his arms were at his sides, several say that he raised them to chest level). Draw your right hand toward your body as if it has been injured and put your left arm out in front of you as if you're protecting yourself. To me, that's a normal stance that reflects the injury known to have happened to Brown, and which would result in the conflicting testimony of witnesses, none of which saw the entire event and all of whom saw it from different angles.

[SIZE=13.63636302948px]So Wilson tried to wrangle Brown from inside his car or Brown attacked the officer in his car? Or were they just both aggressive?[/SIZE]

I can't say, based on what I'e read. None of the accounts I've read so far have claimed to have witnessed the interaction at the car in detail. Most have described it as a "struggle" "altercation" or "fighting." The only account alleging Brown as the aggressor is Wilson's, which obviously shouldn't be blindly trusted to be accurate. There's still thousands of pages of evidence, though, so it is certainly possible I haven't encountered those accounts, yet.

EDIT: If you want my best guess, I personally think that Wilson was more aggressive in his commands than he testified ("Hey guys, why don't you walk on the sidewalk") and Brown was clearly the type of guy that would threaten and steal from a store clerk. I think it is plausible that, after Brown was disrespectful toward Wilson's command, Wilson backed up the car to confront them (they were walking opposite his direction of travel) and either grabbed out to keep Brown from moving away while Wilson attempted to open the door or grabbed onto Brown to detain him after Brown either forced the door closed or inadvertently knocked it closed (per Dorian Johnson's equally untrustworthy account). From there, I think a scuffle ensued in which Brown tried to escape (likely by hitting Wilson to attempt to break free).

 

[Daywalker]

So you think it is possible that Michael Brown was backpedaling his fat ### away from the cop like a corner back, hence no bullet wounds in the back?

Based on what I've read of Wilson's account of the event and witness interviews, my most likely version of events is that there was an altercation at the car due to the aggressive nature of both parties (Wilson yelled an order, Brown yelled back, Wilson backed up to confront, some kind of fighting took place at the car window). Wilson pulls his gun and aims it at Brown, threatening to shoot him. Brown tries to deflect the gun barrel away from his body and receives the wound to the inside base of his right thumb and begins to run away (he passed two parked cars or roughly 30 feet, per Wilson's interview on Aug 10) before stopping and turning toward Wilson. Here's where I think the key mistake happens. Wilson claims that after Brown turned, he was "wild eyed" and "hopped" as if he were going to start running and reached his right arm down toward his waistband. Wilson emphasizes this point about him reaching down several times. It was during this "first stride" that Wilson began firing (and, per his testimony, Brown channeled The Terminator). Per Wilson, Brown covered about 10-15 feet before falling to the ground dead, charging all the way by his account.

What I think is more plausible than the classic "superhuman black man" trope that Wilson is alleging was that Brown turned back when he realized he had been shot in the hand (with an exit wound going down through a bit of his forearm, a nasty wound and bad enough to cover Wilson's hands in Brown's blood) and brought his injured arm down to his waist (how many of us have hurt our hands and instinctively dropped your hand down toward your waist?), maybe even stumbling forward to produce the "hop" motion Wilson says he saw. Wilson, fresh off of fighting with this man, interpreted the motion as a move for a weapon and unloaded. Brown is only alleged to have covered 10-15 feet before falling dead. Since this is FBG's, I assume most of you have stepped onto a football field before and have some sense of what 3-5 yards looks like on the ground. I seems very plausible for a 6'4" person to stumble forward and cover 3-5 yards in total.

That falls much more closely in line with the majority of witness accounts, which indicate the Brown turned back toward Wilson, moved a short distance toward him before he died, and did not have his arms raised above his head (several said his arms were at his sides, several say that he raised them to chest level). Draw your right hand toward your body as if it has been injured and put your left arm out in front of you as if you're protecting yourself. To me, that's a normal stance that reflects the injury known to have happened to Brown, and which would result in the conflicting testimony of witnesses, none of which saw the entire event and all of whom saw it from different angles.

[SIZE=13.63636302948px]So Wilson tried to wrangle Brown from inside his car or Brown attacked the officer in his car? Or were they just both aggressive?[/SIZE]

I can't say, based on what I'e read. None of the accounts I've read so far have claimed to have witnessed the interaction at the car in detail. Most have described it as a "struggle" "altercation" or "fighting." The only account alleging Brown as the aggressor is Wilson's, which obviously shouldn't be blindly trusted to be accurate. There's still thousands of pages of evidence, though, so it is certainly possible I haven't encountered those accounts, yet.

For Wilson to be the aggressor at the car he has to do so from inside his car?

 

[mcintyre1]

Just watching clips from the Wilson TV interview now. He's saying that, after Brown turned, he was able to mentally think about "can I shoot this guy? yes, he'll kill me if I don't", fire a group of shots, yell "stop, get down on the ground!", watch Brown lean forward to "tackle" him, and fire off a second round of shots that struck him in the forehead and top of the head. All while covering 15 feet, per Wilson's interview with investigators a day after the shooting (there's no written or audio record of the interview Ferguson PD says they did shortly after the shooting). While running at Wilson.

Should have been a trial, probably not for murder, though. Manslaughter, I guess, but I admit I don't know much about legal qualification for different crimes in any state, let alone Missouri.

 

[msommer]

Obviously I don't buy your version of events. This was an unarmed teenager shot 30-40 feet away according to witnesses. That qualifies as a victim to me. And the robbery is irrelevant to his shooting since it didn't appear that Wilson knew about it.

WOW I weep for this country and the fact that you live hear. What a dope you are, please don't comment any further. Actually please do so we can laugh at you.

Yes, I, live hear (sic). Indeed what a dope I am.

Well, I weep for this country too, but it is from the lack of adequate instruction in the English language for some native born citizens.

Should there be literacy requirements for citizenship?

Discuss...

 

[msommer]

This is on the front page of Reddit right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPUcA7yrErg&feature=youtu.be

I haven't seen anything else from Fredrick Wilson II but I might have to subscribe.

YouTube = E. T. Williams (search Common Sense & ET Williams)You might like it.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I can't wait to live in a world where a back man says stuff like this and isn't singled out as a genius. This stuff really should be common sense by now.

So in your mind a black man displaying 'common sense' (in your estimation) is a genius?

Racist much?

 

[Otis]

Seems to me there is grey area here and room for debate.

Of course, if you want to boil it down to a simple takeaway that is beyond debate, the lesson learned here might be along the lines of "don't punch a cop and go for his gun, as that behavior may well end up with you getting shot or kilt."

Common sense is hard.

 

[jon_mx]

If it's not the job of POTUS to comment on ongoing investigations then why does he keep doing it?

What ongoing investigation?

I am going to guess and say the federal investigation that Obama said was ongoing in his speech.

I am pretty sure there is still a team of Obama lawyers down in Florida investigating Zimmerman.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I don't understand why people are debating what happened on August 9th or have their own "hunch".

Either Wilson's story was completely accurate, or he is extremely lucky that every detail he immediately gave and remained consistent about was either proved or deemed possible according to the autopsy and forensics. The testimony and statements that were disproved by the autopsy (both of them) and forensics are lies.

Questioning the distance? There's blood. Questioning him turning back? blood splatter proves he was further and turned around. Don't believe he was charging? Again, the blood splatter and entry wounds add up. Can't accept the struggle in the car? You're just ignoring all the evidence.

What is there to gain by holding onto some hope that things happened differently than what's been proved? Why are some still so adamant that Wilson did something wrong? He testified for 4 hours during the grand jury hearings and did an interview with no questions off limits. If you were telling the truth and thought you were innocent, what else would you do?

 

[Billy Bats]

I don't understand why people are debating what happened on August 9th or have their own "hunch".

Either Wilson's story was completely accurate, or he is extremely lucky that every detail he immediately gave and remained consistent about was either proved or deemed possible according to the autopsy and forensics. The testimony and statements that were disproved by the autopsy (both of them) and forensics are lies.

Questioning the distance? There's blood. Questioning him turning back? blood splatter proves he was further and turned around. Don't believe he was charging? Again, the blood splatter and entry wounds add up. Can't accept the struggle in the car? You're just ignoring all the evidence.

What is there to gain by holding onto some hope that things happened differently than what's been proved? Why are some still so adamant that Wilson did something wrong? He testified for 4 hours during the grand jury hearings and did an interview with no questions off limits. If you were telling the truth and thought you were innocent, what else would you do?

And on top of all of that he seemed genuinely sincere and believable in his interview. Wasn't a military, Rambo type guy who was out to solve world wars by himself. I believe he was attacked and took the last resort to defend himself from a viable threat, which is what he was trained to do. Let's not forget it's the first time he's ever fired his weapon, and as far as I know has a clean work record.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I don't understand why people are debating what happened on August 9th or have their own "hunch".

Either Wilson's story was completely accurate, or he is extremely lucky that every detail he immediately gave and remained consistent about was either proved or deemed possible according to the autopsy and forensics. The testimony and statements that were disproved by the autopsy (both of them) and forensics are lies.

Questioning the distance? There's blood. Questioning him turning back? blood splatter proves he was further and turned around. Don't believe he was charging? Again, the blood splatter and entry wounds add up. Can't accept the struggle in the car? You're just ignoring all the evidence.

What is there to gain by holding onto some hope that things happened differently than what's been proved? Why are some still so adamant that Wilson did something wrong? He testified for 4 hours during the grand jury hearings and did an interview with no questions off limits. If you were telling the truth and thought you were innocent, what else would you do?

Because people made up their minds months ago and now won't change them no matter how much evidence rolls in. The same thing happens all the time in lots of other threads.

 

[Todem]

The 6 and 7 points from the write up from General Tso are really the main thing obviously. Seems like people can have all kinds of different ways to see that depending on what they want to see or what agenda they want to have. Some of the posters added some links supporting that the guy grabbed the gun as I was typing this.

They have to release all the accounts - the ones they used and the ones they tossed - right? Was this done yesterday?

The fact that this guy robbed a store moments before and they have video of that is pretty crazy.

You're not missing anything. It's insane that this is even an issue. It's like the country has gone mad and lost all common sense.The fact that people are debating whether he was shot at 30 feet or 45 feet is ridiculous. If you attack a cop, you get shot. And that applies whether you are black, white or purple. I'm not a big cop supporter by any means, but this is not the train you want to hitch yourself to. I'm still baffled at how so many people have found legitimate reason to protest this case. It's hurting the liberal cause!!!

All these morons don't believe he attacked the cop. They contend he was shot in the back...holding his hands up...running away, he was shot execution style.

It's insane. They don't want to hear the truth or more importantly what the physical evidence proves and confirms nor the other black witnesses (since this is all about the white policemen's blight on the black community) who confirm Officer Wilson's story.

People are insane. Our country is breeding crazy, stupid, ignorant people by the minute.

Hunker down, build a safe room and pray. The Purge is coming.

 

[Todem]

Just watching clips from the Wilson TV interview now. He's saying that, after Brown turned, he was able to mentally think about "can I shoot this guy? yes, he'll kill me if I don't", fire a group of shots, yell "stop, get down on the ground!", watch Brown lean forward to "tackle" him, and fire off a second round of shots that struck him in the forehead and top of the head. All while covering 15 feet, per Wilson's interview with investigators a day after the shooting (there's no written or audio record of the interview Ferguson PD says they did shortly after the shooting). While running at Wilson.

Should have been a trial, probably not for murder, though. Manslaughter, I guess, but I admit I don't know much about legal qualification for different crimes in any state, let alone Missouri anything.

I fixed that for ya brohan.

 

[BigJohn]

So, when did blocking roads and highways become an acceptable protest technique? I'm sorry, but this is pissing me off almost as much as the looting. You want to exercise your right to protest? I'm with you 100 percent. But, you want to infringe on my right to move freely? I have a serious problem with this. The car that plowed through the crowd in Minneapolis will hopefully be an isolated incident, but the more these morons use this tactic, the more I'm afraid situations like this will continue to happen.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Why are protesters, specifically not in MO, walking around with their hands up? It makes no sense.

 

[avoiding injuries]

So, when did blocking roads and highways become an acceptable protest technique? I'm sorry, but this is pissing me off almost as much as the looting. You want to exercise your right to protest? I'm with you 100 percent. But, you want to infringe on my right to move freely? I have a serious problem with this. The car that plowed through the crowd in Minneapolis will hopefully be an isolated incident, but the more these morons use this tactic, the more I'm afraid situations like this will continue to happen.

Driving home from work yesterday there were two intersections closed bc people had created a hand held road block. It looked like they were playing an intense game of Red Rover. "Red Rover, Red Rover, send me another unemployed protester over."

 

[lod01]

Scary that Brown is considered a victim.

No kidding. Yet another example of how dumb this country has become.

 

[jon_mx]

Why are protesters, specifically not in MO, walking around with their hands up? It makes no sense.

I think they are trying to imply that Brown was just a law-abiding citizen respecting authority when he was gunned down for no reason.

 

[Wrigley]

Why is it so hard to assume that Brown was the aggressor?

You did see the store video, right?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Anyone see this video of a driver running their car through a crowd of protestors after they swarm the vehicle and running over at least one person?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiRoRtdiSg

I am sure some of the more sane posters in this thread would have simply stopped the car, allowed the mob to beat the #### out of it and then snatch them out of the vehicle rather than risk taking another person's life...I mean, their life has value and all.

Oh that crazy Randy Moss!

 

[lod01]

I think all officers like Wilson should be wearing a camera.

Lot of us don't want that because cops have a tough job and sometimes they got to get down and dirty while entering grey areas to get the job done. NYPD Blue style like we see on tv.

I understand that but the trade off is a large segment of the population has to deal with a lot of harassment/suspicion that the the other part would not put up with.

Our justice system is set up to let a lot more guilty people go free then lock up a non-guilty person.

I think what Wilson did was appropriate. But crime at it lowest in decades. Make the cops wear cameras. The Brown case is a poor substitute for the real issue.

Cameras, police oversight, police unionism and the allowance of public unions when safety or travel is at stake, and paramilitary-style police equipment out in even low-crime areas like the suburbs were all issues that should have been discussed from this.

Instead, we now have the typical circus and each political side is having a blame game with each other's political bases. The four things mentioned above could have changed so much more than national dialogues on race or rorschach tests of fact patterns, but it's lost in this garbage of "whodunit?"

I explained cameras pages ago. They are not cheap. The only way this gets done is via the federal govt. because they are the only ones who can run a deficit.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Why is it so hard to assume that Brown was the aggressor?

You did see the store video, right?

Because people had already made up their mind and written this into a preconceived narrative prior to that video coming out. The narrative (unarmed black kid killed by racist cop while minding his own business) became impervious to evidence or logic once people became invested in it.

 

[lod01]

I keep thinking back to the distance thing. 30 feet. 10 yards. Assuming Wilson felt his life was in danger, how close should he have allowed Brown to come? 10 yards seems awful close. If he has to be in arms reach, why do we allow cops to carry firearms. Maybe they should just have a sharp stick.

In his interview he said Brown got to within 8-10 feet then he started back pedaling.

In the interview on ABC tonight he agreed when the interviewer asked him if he shot him at 35-40 feet. Did he later disagree?

If only Wilson was interrogated like the witnesses that contradicted his version of events were.

Yes, I recall the friend saying the waterboarding he was subjected to was the toughest part. He said he didn't mind the bamboo shoved under his fingernails. He thought it looked kinda cool.

You are so ridiculous that you make this thread even more entertaining.

 

[jon_mx]

I wish they could find a case with more sympathetic victims than Martin or Brown. Both of these guys physically assaulted a guy with a gun. I have gone my whole life without the need to punch someone in the face. Maybe both Wilson and Zimmerman exaggerated the threat of fearing for the lives, but in the heat of the moment that is going to happen. I just see Martin and Brown both contributed substantially to these tragic events. We can probably debate whether it was 25% or 75%, but that kind of uncertainty in court of law that means innocent. Why not find a case where the victim wasn't a main contributor to get behind?

 

[lod01]

The 6 and 7 points from the write up from General Tso are really the main thing obviously. Seems like people can have all kinds of different ways to see that depending on what they want to see or what agenda they want to have. Some of the posters added some links supporting that the guy grabbed the gun as I was typing this.

They have to release all the accounts - the ones they used and the ones they tossed - right? Was this done yesterday?

The fact that this guy robbed a store moments before and they have video of that is pretty crazy.

You're not missing anything. It's insane that this is even an issue. It's like the country has gone mad and lost all common sense.The fact that people are debating whether he was shot at 30 feet or 45 feet is ridiculous. If you attack a cop, you get shot. And that applies whether you are black, white or purple. I'm not a big cop supporter by any means, but this is not the train you want to hitch yourself to. I'm still baffled at how so many people have found legitimate reason to protest this case. It's hurting the liberal cause!!!

All these morons don't believe he attacked the cop. They contend he was shot in the back...holding his hands up...running away, he was shot execution style.

It's insane. They don't want to hear the truth or more importantly what the physical evidence proves and confirms nor the other black witnesses (since this is all about the white policemen's blight on the black community) who confirm Officer Wilson's story.

People are insane. Our country is breeding crazy, stupid, ignorant people by the minute.

Hunker down, build a safe room and pray. The Purge is coming.

Todem gets it but I'm out of rep power.

 

[lod01]

So, when did blocking roads and highways become an acceptable protest technique? I'm sorry, but this is pissing me off almost as much as the looting. You want to exercise your right to protest? I'm with you 100 percent. But, you want to infringe on my right to move freely? I have a serious problem with this. The car that plowed through the crowd in Minneapolis will hopefully be an isolated incident, but the more these morons use this tactic, the more I'm afraid situations like this will continue to happen.

We need more cars plowing over idiots on highways.

 

[lod01]

Why are protesters, specifically not in MO, walking around with their hands up? It makes no sense.

I think they are trying to imply that Brown was just a law-abiding citizen respecting authority when he was gunned down for no reason.

Or in 3 words: They are idiots.

 

[Boston]

Not sure if I am repeating previous posts but here is my two cents:

*It is embarrassing watching many black leaders discuss this issue...not just the race hustlers like Sharpton...many see the world only as it fits their narrative regardless of the facts of a certain incident...in all honesty many sound like fools discussing Ferguson...I have unfortunately come to the conclusion that until the black community as a whole starts respecting their own community as well as telling idiots like Sharpton or Michael Brown's Step-Father to shut-up and screw they will never move forward as a group which is unbelievably sad...

*Michael Brown is to blame for this...he is a thug who attacked a cop...whether you are black, white, green or purple this is unacceptable behavior and if you rationalize that his behavior is acceptable than you simply look at the world thru a different lens than I do...you have an agenda and do not have the ability to think outside of that agenda...

*All police officers should have video-cameras on them...if a Cop is bad than we need to know right away...no he said/she said...no protection because you wear the blue...let live footage show us what happened in an event like this...

*If you think there is an excuse for looting and destruction you are lawless...

*Obama looks inept right now...showing no leadership skills...unfortunately as the first black President he has blown a great opportunity to advance America in this area...

 

[wadegarrett]

So, when did blocking roads and highways become an acceptable protest technique? I'm sorry, but this is pissing me off almost as much as the looting. You want to exercise your right to protest? I'm with you 100 percent. But, you want to infringe on my right to move freely? I have a serious problem with this. The car that plowed through the crowd in Minneapolis will hopefully be an isolated incident, but the more these morons use this tactic, the more I'm afraid situations like this will continue to happen.

We need more cars plowing over idiots on highways.

Concur.

 

[SayWhat?]

Woke up this morning here in Minneapolis without having watched then news last night to see that there were 1,000+ protesters here locally, and that two cars/vans essentially drove through the crowds.

#1 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283893441.html#sfcri

#2 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283919501.html#sfcri

WTF?! I'm absolutely dumbfounded how people are clinging to this as some massive injustice and willing to rally because of this ruling, when the evidence would reasonably lead one down the path towards this being a justifiable shooting of an 18 year old whom had just committed a "hey I'm taking #### from your store so what are you going to do about it" theft.

The wheels have officially come off of this country. Find a better cause to rally around and do dumb #### like blocking traffic. I hope one of these idiots' family members needs medical care and can't get it because they're blocking streets in support of a criminal whom was killed.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Why is it so hard to assume that Brown was the aggressor?

You did see the store video, right?

I think it's likely that Brown was the aggressor in some form during the incident. I would guess most people do.

The problem is that the narrative of Wilson and the Ferguson police is inconsistent at best. A week ago the police department flat-out lied to protect Wilson's public image as a decent cop instead of a dooshbag with an authoritarian streak. Wilson's account of the incident itself wasn't recorded in writing or on video/audio for weeks, which is sketchy at best. The cops took six days to ID Wilson, during which time they pretty clearly scrubbed Wilson's existence from the internet (unless you buy that a 28 year old man who have never been on any form of social media). Then there's the story itself, which has changed over time and has a lot of elements that are very difficult to believe- distance between Wilson and Brown when most of the shots were fired has changed, the idea of a man who has been shot several times somehow turning and charging his shooter like some kind of horror movie monster impervious to gunfire (which incidentally is how Wilson described him in court, as a "demon"), the notion of someone stopped mid-fight with an armed cop to hand off his cigarillos to his buddy before continuing the beatdown, the lack of serious injury you assume would result from such a beatdown, the medical examiner claiming he didn't get photos of the scene because because his camera ran out of battery power, and so on and so on.

Despite all that I tend to believe that what Wilson said about the incident is mostly true. But I can understand why a community that already had frayed relations with law enforcement and then watched this all go down, including the police repression of media coverage during the riots, would call

 

[lod01]

Woke up this morning here in Minneapolis without having watched then news last night to see that there were 1,000+ protesters here locally, and that two cars/vans essentially drove through the crowds.

#1 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283893441.html#sfcri

#2 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283919501.html#sfcri

WTF?! I'm absolutely dumbfounded how people are clinging to this as some massive injustice and willing to rally because of this ruling, when the evidence would reasonably lead one down the path towards this being a justifiable shooting of an 18 year old whom had just committed a "hey I'm taking #### from your store so what are you going to do about it" theft.

The wheels have officially come off of this country. Find a better cause to rally around and do dumb #### like blocking traffic. I hope one of these idiots' family members needs medical care and can't get it because they're blocking streets in support of a criminal whom was killed.

That is simply a mob of morons.

Watching those 2 videos really tells you that if society breaks down the Walking Dead is pretty accurate minus the people getting up after dying.

Those people are so ####### dumb it is scary. The ### hat pounding with both fists on the car, the old senile coot at 0:46 looking around like he didn't know where he was. The psychotic blonde with her head spinning. It's worse than I thought as far as how many stupid people there are.

 

[Reegus]

Woke up this morning here in Minneapolis without having watched then news last night to see that there were 1,000+ protesters here locally, and that two cars/vans essentially drove through the crowds.

#1 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283893441.html#sfcri

#2 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283919501.html#sfcri

WTF?! I'm absolutely dumbfounded how people are clinging to this as some massive injustice and willing to rally because of this ruling, when the evidence would reasonably lead one down the path towards this being a justifiable shooting of an 18 year old whom had just committed a "hey I'm taking #### from your store so what are you going to do about it" theft.

The wheels have officially come off of this country. Find a better cause to rally around and do dumb #### like blocking traffic. I hope one of these idiots' family members needs medical care and can't get it because they're blocking streets in support of a criminal whom was killed.

Lol wrecked.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I think all officers like Wilson should be wearing a camera.

Lot of us don't want that because cops have a tough job and sometimes they got to get down and dirty while entering grey areas to get the job done. NYPD Blue style like we see on tv.

I understand that but the trade off is a large segment of the population has to deal with a lot of harassment/suspicion that the the other part would not put up with.

Our justice system is set up to let a lot more guilty people go free then lock up a non-guilty person.

I think what Wilson did was appropriate. But crime at it lowest in decades. Make the cops wear cameras. The Brown case is a poor substitute for the real issue.

Cameras, police oversight, police unionism and the allowance of public unions when safety or travel is at stake, and paramilitary-style police equipment out in even low-crime areas like the suburbs were all issues that should have been discussed from this.

Instead, we now have the typical circus and each political side is having a blame game with each other's political bases. The four things mentioned above could have changed so much more than national dialogues on race or rorschach tests of fact patterns, but it's lost in this garbage of "whodunit?"

I explained cameras pages ago. They are not cheap. The only way this gets done is via the federal govt. because they are the only ones who can run a deficit.

Cameras are actually dirt cheap. What's expensive and difficult is a good data storage methodology that is easily searchable. But with cloud storage becoming super cheap, that cost is coming down too.

In fact, at the time of the incident, Ferguson PD already HAD wearable cameras. They just had't been deployed yet.

 

[Da Guru]

The sad thing is the town of Ferguson will now die. The business`s that have been destroyed may not return. New business will not open there. Feel bad for the law abiding residents of Ferguson who have no other place to go.

 

[wadegarrett]

Woke up this morning here in Minneapolis without having watched then news last night to see that there were 1,000+ protesters here locally, and that two cars/vans essentially drove through the crowds.

#1 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283893441.html#sfcri

#2 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283919501.html#sfcri

WTF?! I'm absolutely dumbfounded how people are clinging to this as some massive injustice and willing to rally because of this ruling, when the evidence would reasonably lead one down the path towards this being a justifiable shooting of an 18 year old whom had just committed a "hey I'm taking #### from your store so what are you going to do about it" theft.

The wheels have officially come off of this country. Find a better cause to rally around and do dumb #### like blocking traffic. I hope one of these idiots' family members needs medical care and can't get it because they're blocking streets in support of a criminal whom was killed.

Escalating in Cleveland also...protests yesterday over Cleveland police officer shooting and killing a 12 year old kid last weekend...kid was waving around a pellet gun that looked like a real gun at a park...police respond and tell kid to put his hands up...instead, kid pulls pellet gun out of his pants and rookie cop shoots him...kid dies the next day.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/protests_break_out_in_cleveland.html#incart_big-photo

 

[Da Guru]

Woke up this morning here in Minneapolis without having watched then news last night to see that there were 1,000+ protesters here locally, and that two cars/vans essentially drove through the crowds.

#1 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283893441.html#sfcri

#2 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283919501.html#sfcri

WTF?! I'm absolutely dumbfounded how people are clinging to this as some massive injustice and willing to rally because of this ruling, when the evidence would reasonably lead one down the path towards this being a justifiable shooting of an 18 year old whom had just committed a "hey I'm taking #### from your store so what are you going to do about it" theft.

The wheels have officially come off of this country. Find a better cause to rally around and do dumb #### like blocking traffic. I hope one of these idiots' family members needs medical care and can't get it because they're blocking streets in support of a criminal whom was killed.

Lol wrecked.

Had the peaceful protesters been able to get that driver out of the car they would have beat the crap out of the driver. See how humans react in a split second of turmoil? Cops react the same way. Nobody can predict human behavior when fear is present.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Woke up this morning here in Minneapolis without having watched then news last night to see that there were 1,000+ protesters here locally, and that two cars/vans essentially drove through the crowds.

#1 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283893441.html#sfcri

#2 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283919501.html#sfcri

WTF?! I'm absolutely dumbfounded how people are clinging to this as some massive injustice and willing to rally because of this ruling, when the evidence would reasonably lead one down the path towards this being a justifiable shooting of an 18 year old whom had just committed a "hey I'm taking #### from your store so what are you going to do about it" theft.

The wheels have officially come off of this country. Find a better cause to rally around and do dumb #### like blocking traffic. I hope one of these idiots' family members needs medical care and can't get it because they're blocking streets in support of a criminal whom was killed.

Lol wrecked.

Had the peaceful protesters been able to get that driver out of the car they would have beat the crap out of the driver. See how humans react in a split second of turmoil? Cops react the same way. Nobody can predict human behavior when fear is present.

In fairness, the driver just came very close to killing or seriously injuring somebody and probably deserved a beating.

Obviously the protesters are being #######s by blocking traffic. Plowing through them in your car is not the right response.

 

[wadegarrett]

Woke up this morning here in Minneapolis without having watched then news last night to see that there were 1,000+ protesters here locally, and that two cars/vans essentially drove through the crowds.

#1 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283893441.html#sfcri

#2 - http://www.startribune.com/video/283919501.html#sfcri

WTF?! I'm absolutely dumbfounded how people are clinging to this as some massive injustice and willing to rally because of this ruling, when the evidence would reasonably lead one down the path towards this being a justifiable shooting of an 18 year old whom had just committed a "hey I'm taking #### from your store so what are you going to do about it" theft.

The wheels have officially come off of this country. Find a better cause to rally around and do dumb #### like blocking traffic. I hope one of these idiots' family members needs medical care and can't get it because they're blocking streets in support of a criminal whom was killed.

Lol wrecked.

Had the peaceful protesters been able to get that driver out of the car they would have beat the crap out of the driver. See how humans react in a split second of turmoil? Cops react the same way. Nobody can predict human behavior when fear is present.

In fairness, the driver just came very close to killing or seriously injuring somebody and probably deserved a beating.

Obviously the protesters are being #######s by blocking traffic. Plowing through them in your car is not the right response.

Agree. Guy had the choice to drive around to the left like other cars were doing but chose to make a tough guy statement and plow into them.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

My view is that the looters, people like SIDA who want to go killing sprees in their stores, and people who drive over pedestrians because they're late for work are all basically the same kind of person. Henry Ford was making a "social compact" argument yesterday to explain where the looters were coming from. I'm wondering if he would apply the same argument to the ######s who think it's okay to plow through a crowd of protestors who are blocking traffic.

 

[GroveDiesel]

And I think we place too much on police sometimes. Confrontations with violent criminals can go bad really really fast. Good training can help speed up the decision making process so that officers make better choices than the average person, but expecting them to get it right and not kill a suspect that is attacking them is asking a whole lot.

Here's one similar incident from this year where things went bad really fast and ended with the officer getting shot to death with his own gun: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/officer-shot-killed-crazed-man-snatches-gun-police-article-1.1740921

I do have concerns with the militarization of our police forces and there certainly are bad apples, which is why wearable cameras need to be mandatory for all officers across the board. But those guys have a tough job and there seem to be a whole lot of folks willing to fight police officers these days.