Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (4 Viewers)

[Billy Bats]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

maybe they know things......

 

[timschochet]

Running v. walking toward him is a distinction without a difference.

Cop tells you to freeze, you freeze. You don't walk or run toward him.

I'm curious how many people agree with this. I certainly don't.

ETA- I'm guessing that neither the prosecutor nor Wilson himself would agree with this since both of them emphasized that Brown was not walking, but charging at Wilson.

 

[Bucky86]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

 

[timschochet]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Apparently some people here don't want to hear it, that's why.

 

[cobalt_27]

I'm just offended by the stupidity of the Rams' pseudoactivism. But, simple people eat this stuff up all the time, so it's not surprising.

 

[Billy Bats]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

 

[Gawain]

Running v. walking toward him is a distinction without a difference.

Cop tells you to freeze, you freeze. You don't walk or run toward him.

I'm curious how many people agree with this. I certainly don't.

ETA- I'm guessing that neither the prosecutor nor Wilson himself would agree with this since both of them emphasized that Brown was not walking, but charging at Wilson.

Given what we know (the car confrontation), is there some radius Brown could enter, regardless of his speed, that could cause Wilson to rationally fear for his well-being?

Can you understand that rational people will differ in the size of this imaginary circle?

Can you understand why speaking in absolutes is what drives many find you antagonistic?

 

[timschochet]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

 

[Billy Bats]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

I did? Quote and bold the part of my post where I said that as well.

 

[timschochet]

Running v. walking toward him is a distinction without a difference.

Cop tells you to freeze, you freeze. You don't walk or run toward him.

I'm curious how many people agree with this. I certainly don't.

ETA- I'm guessing that neither the prosecutor nor Wilson himself would agree with this since both of them emphasized that Brown was not walking, but charging at Wilson.

Given what we know (the car confrontation), is there some radius Brown could enter, regardless of his speed, that could cause Wilson to rationally fear for his well-being?

Can you understand that rational people will differ in the size of this imaginary circle?

Can you understand why speaking in absolutes is what drives many find you antagonistic?

1. Of course.

2. Of course.

3. I haven't.

 

[timschochet]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

I did? Quote and bold the part of my post where I said that as well.

Forgive me if I misstated you. You said that you don't blame the police one bit. The police want the players punished. Do you?

 

[Billy Bats]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

I did? Quote and bold the part of my post where I said that as well.

Forgive me if I misstated you. You said that you don't blame the police one bit. The police want the players punished. Do you?

...for being pissed off. Can't really punish them but if I were in charge in St Louis I would let them know to keep your political statements off the sidelines in the future. Now I said your part, Bucky.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

That's up to the Rams. The first amendment protects their right to publicly and nonviolently voice their opinion, but that doesn't guarantee them there won't be consequences. Heck, the NFL fines players for excessive celebration!

 

[timschochet]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

I did? Quote and bold the part of my post where I said that as well.

Forgive me if I misstated you. You said that you don't blame the police one bit. The police want the players punished. Do you?

...for being pissed off.

Can't really punish them but if I were in charge in St Louis I would let them know to keep your political statements off the sidelines in the future.

Or else what?

 

[timschochet]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

That's up to the Rams. The first amendment protects their right to publicly and nonviolently voice their opinion, but that doesn't guarantee them there won't be consequences. Heck, the NFL fines players for excessive celebration!

You're correct. But that doesn't answer the question. Would YOU punish them if you were the Rams?

 

[Widbil83]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why should they shut up? This "hands up" lie that was perpetuated by useful idiots (and still is) and fueled by the media has caused them a #### ton of trouble and damn near burned down an entire town. I don't blame them one bit for being mad that their home team basically portrayed them as a bunch of racist killers in front of the nation.

 

[Billy Bats]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

I did? Quote and bold the part of my post where I said that as well.

Forgive me if I misstated you. You said that you don't blame the police one bit. The police want the players punished. Do you?

...for being pissed off.Can't really punish them but if I were in charge in St Louis I would let them know to keep your political statements off the sidelines in the future.

Or else what?

You'll be playing elsewhere next season. Anything else Tim?

 

[Gawain]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

I did? Quote and bold the part of my post where I said that as well.

Forgive me if I misstated you. You said that you don't blame the police one bit. The police want the players punished. Do you?

...for being pissed off.

Can't really punish them but if I were in charge in St Louis I would let them know to keep your political statements off the sidelines in the future.

This is the same group of players who gets punished for wearing an unauthorized pair of initials or the wrong wristbands. If it hurts the bottom line, they'll be told to stop.

 

[timschochet]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

I did? Quote and bold the part of my post where I said that as well.

Forgive me if I misstated you. You said that you don't blame the police one bit. The police want the players punished. Do you?

...for being pissed off.Can't really punish them but if I were in charge in St Louis I would let them know to keep your political statements off the sidelines in the future.

Or else what?

You'll be playing elsewhere next season. Anything else Tim?

No. I just was curious what your opinion was, and you stated it.

Of course, had you been part of the Rams organization and made that statement, I'm guessing you would either be forced to apologize or be out of a job within 24 hours. And rightfully so, IMO. But that's just a hunch on my part.

 

[timschochet]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

I did? Quote and bold the part of my post where I said that as well.

Forgive me if I misstated you. You said that you don't blame the police one bit. The police want the players punished. Do you?

...for being pissed off.

Can't really punish them but if I were in charge in St Louis I would let them know to keep your political statements off the sidelines in the future.

This is the same group of players who gets punished for wearing an unauthorized pair of initials or the wrong wristbands. If it hurts the bottom line, they'll be told to stop.

What would hurt the bottom line, in this situation, is to punish the players for making statements. You would be risking a strike over this. Dead serious.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why should they shut up? This "hands up" lie that was perpetuated by useful idiots (and still is) and fueled by the media has caused them a #### ton of trouble and damn near burned down an entire town. I don't blame them one bit for being mad that their home team basically portrayed them as a bunch of racist killers in front of the nation.

Maybe you fail to understand the first amendment as well #waitforbackup

 

[CowboysFromHell]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

That's up to the Rams. The first amendment protects their right to publicly and nonviolently voice their opinion, but that doesn't guarantee them there won't be consequences. Heck, the NFL fines players for excessive celebration!

You're correct. But that doesn't answer the question. Would YOU punish them if you were the Rams?

Not sure I would, but it brings up a good point. I'd maybe consider a new policy to have my players refrain from political statements while wearing my uniform and representing my brand.

 

[timschochet]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why should they shut up? This "hands up" lie that was perpetuated by useful idiots (and still is) and fueled by the media has caused them a #### ton of trouble and damn near burned down an entire town. I don't blame them one bit for being mad that their home team basically portrayed them as a bunch of racist killers in front of the nation.

The players don't have to shut up, and the police don't have to shut up either. Everybody gets to have their say. I don't necessarily agree with your second sentence, but you're absolutely right that the police have the right to express themselves.

 

[timschochet]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

That's up to the Rams. The first amendment protects their right to publicly and nonviolently voice their opinion, but that doesn't guarantee them there won't be consequences. Heck, the NFL fines players for excessive celebration!

You're correct. But that doesn't answer the question. Would YOU punish them if you were the Rams?

Not sure I would, but it brings up a good point. I'd maybe consider a new policy to have my players refrain from political statements while wearing my uniform and representing my brand.

That would never fly.

 

[Billy Bats]

You'll be playing elsewhere next season. Anything else Tim?

No. I just was curious what your opinion was, and you stated it.Of course, had you been part of the Rams organization and made that statement, I'm guessing you would either be forced to apologize or be out of a job within 24 hours. And rightfully so, IMO. But that's just a hunch on my part.

What? I'd be out of a job for saying what now?

 

[Gawain]

So, if we're facing a strike because players don't like someone's speech and we're facing a strike because players won't have their speech restricted, how can this be reconciled? The inmates run the asylum?

(Personally, I think the NFL is a lot stronger vis-a-vis the players than the NBA and these guys won't be hands upping anymore.)


What would hurt the bottom line, in this situation, is to punish the players for making statements. You would be risking a strike over this. Dead serious.

 

[timschochet]

You'll be playing elsewhere next season. Anything else Tim?

No. I just was curious what your opinion was, and you stated it.Of course, had you been part of the Rams organization and made that statement, I'm guessing you would either be forced to apologize or be out of a job within 24 hours. And rightfully so, IMO. But that's just a hunch on my part.

What? I'd be out of a job for saying what now?

I was pretty clear wasn't I? If you were a higher up with the Rams and you threatened to trade players that didn't shut up about Ferguson, you'd be publicly told to apologize or you'd be gone.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

That's up to the Rams. The first amendment protects their right to publicly and nonviolently voice their opinion, but that doesn't guarantee them there won't be consequences. Heck, the NFL fines players for excessive celebration!

You're correct. But that doesn't answer the question. Would YOU punish them if you were the Rams?

Not sure I would, but it brings up a good point. I'd maybe consider a new policy to have my players refrain from political statements while wearing my uniform and representing my brand.

That would never fly.

I disagree.

 

[Billy Bats]

You'll be playing elsewhere next season. Anything else Tim?

No. I just was curious what your opinion was, and you stated it.Of course, had you been part of the Rams organization and made that statement, I'm guessing you would either be forced to apologize or be out of a job within 24 hours. And rightfully so, IMO. But that's just a hunch on my part.

What? I'd be out of a job for saying what now?

I was pretty clear wasn't I? If you were a higher up with the Rams and you threatened to trade players that didn't shut up about Ferguson, you'd be publicly told to apologize or you'd be gone.

No you weren't clear. How do you fire the owner, Tim?

 

[timschochet]

So, if we're facing a strike because players don't like someone's speech and we're facing a strike because players won't have their speech restricted, how can this be reconciled? The inmates run the asylum?

(Personally, I think the NFL is a lot stronger vis-a-vis the players than the NBA and these guys won't be hands upping anymore.)


What would hurt the bottom line, in this situation, is to punish the players for making statements. You would be risking a strike over this. Dead serious.

The NFL isn't taking any action. Neither are the Rams. If they did, then this situation would be far worse. The players had their say, what's done is done. I don't expect it to repeat week after week, so no warning is needed anyhow.

 

[timschochet]

You'll be playing elsewhere next season. Anything else Tim?

No. I just was curious what your opinion was, and you stated it.Of course, had you been part of the Rams organization and made that statement, I'm guessing you would either be forced to apologize or be out of a job within 24 hours. And rightfully so, IMO. But that's just a hunch on my part.

What? I'd be out of a job for saying what now?

I was pretty clear wasn't I? If you were a higher up with the Rams and you threatened to trade players that didn't shut up about Ferguson, you'd be publicly told to apologize or you'd be gone.

No you weren't clear. How do you fire the owner, Tim?

Ask David Stern. Oops. My mistake, he's retired. Ask whoever the NBA commissioner is now. Or ask Donald Sterling. (You give him 2 billion dollars, that's how!)

 

[timschochet]

St. Louis Cops Declare Rams' "Hands Up Don't Shoot" To Be "Offensive" and want the players punished

I think the Cops should just shut up

Why? I don't blame them one bit. The players are showing total ignorance and disrespect on a national stage, why shouldn't they be pissed off?

Why can't people publicly and nonviolently voice their displeasure?

Did I say they couldn't?

You just said that you agreed with the police that the players should be punished. Should they or shouldn't they?

That's up to the Rams. The first amendment protects their right to publicly and nonviolently voice their opinion, but that doesn't guarantee them there won't be consequences. Heck, the NFL fines players for excessive celebration!

You're correct. But that doesn't answer the question. Would YOU punish them if you were the Rams?

Not sure I would, but it brings up a good point. I'd maybe consider a new policy to have my players refrain from political statements while wearing my uniform and representing my brand.

That would never fly.

I disagree.

OK

 

[Billy Bats]

You'll be playing elsewhere next season. Anything else Tim?

No. I just was curious what your opinion was, and you stated it.Of course, had you been part of the Rams organization and made that statement, I'm guessing you would either be forced to apologize or be out of a job within 24 hours. And rightfully so, IMO. But that's just a hunch on my part.

What? I'd be out of a job for saying what now?

I was pretty clear wasn't I? If you were a higher up with the Rams and you threatened to trade players that didn't shut up about Ferguson, you'd be publicly told to apologize or you'd be gone.

No you weren't clear. How do you fire the owner, Tim?

Ask David Stern.

Yea, same exact thing. Goodnight Tim.

 

[timschochet]

You'll be playing elsewhere next season. Anything else Tim?

No. I just was curious what your opinion was, and you stated it.Of course, had you been part of the Rams organization and made that statement, I'm guessing you would either be forced to apologize or be out of a job within 24 hours. And rightfully so, IMO. But that's just a hunch on my part.

What? I'd be out of a job for saying what now?

I was pretty clear wasn't I? If you were a higher up with the Rams and you threatened to trade players that didn't shut up about Ferguson, you'd be publicly told to apologize or you'd be gone.

No you weren't clear. How do you fire the owner, Tim?

Ask David Stern.

Yea, same exact thing. Goodnight Tim.

I didn't say it was. But Goodell is never going to let owners tell players to shut up about political situations like this one. Who's kidding whom? The NFL's brand depends on good will from everyone, including it's black players. Polls show that a majority of blacks are VERY upset about Wilson not being indicted, and that they see it in terms of racism. You'd better believe that the NFL is treating this quite gingerly, as they should.

Good night to you too, sir.

 

[timschochet]

I like to look at positives. There are several positive results from this affair, IMO:

1. Wilson wasn't indicted, and he wasn't found guilty. From everything I've learned about this case, I think that this was the most just result. Yes, I think that it's likely he wrongfully shot Michael Brown. But it was a spur of the moment decision and he doesn't deserve to go to jail for that. He resigned from the force and I think that was a good result, because based on this incident I don't think he's a very good police officer. But no indictment was the right decision.

2. The protests have generally been peaceful. Yes, there have been some horrible incidents of rioting, but it could have been far worse- in fact, most of us have seen far worse, only 22 years ago in Los Angeles. Most of the businesses that were damaged or looted will be rebuilt with insurance money.

3. The protests, and this entire incident, has brought attention to institutionalized racism by police in this country. I agree with several people who have pointed out that there could have been a better example than the thug Michael Brown. He was no Medgar Evars or Emmitt Till, that's for sure. But the public is discussing this issue and more aware of it, which is how you solve it, and that's a good thing. GrandpaRox seems to believe that the protests (and rioting and looting, which he refuses to distinguish from each other) will justify in people's minds ethnic stereotyping. Maybe it does for him, but I think the public will see it differently.

4. The police in Ferguson and elsewhere will behave differently. The root of the protests is not that Michael Brown is an isolated incident, but that blacks are treated with less dignity than others by police. I believe this incident will help to change that. I think it's already happening.

5. This entire situation will die down, causing me to post about much less often. So you guys won't have to read me as much. Something to look forward to.

 

[lazyike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpsQwl_19M4

 

[SIDA!]

Brown was shot in the forehead and the top of the dome. Does anyone here contend that those two shots did not happen in succession and were not the final two shots?

i have no idea. Why is this relevant?

You don't think there is any relevancy to the order of the shots and where they were located on the body? Why would you have no idea? Do you think the dome shot was the first shot?

i didn't say there is no relevancy. I wrote that I didn't understand the relevancy, and I don't. That was not meant to be a challenge to you but an honest question.As far as the dome shot being first or last or in between, weren't all the shots fired in very quick succession? That was my understanding.

Do you think that the order in which shots are fired and where they hit the body is relevant?

i don't know. Intuitively, it seems to me that, outside of the shot to the hand, if the rest of the shots were fired all close together then it doesn't matter what their order is. But that may be the wrong answer. I have no idea.

He1s trying to prove that Brown had his head down while charging and thats when he was shot in the top of his head....he doesnt think that its possible that he could have been shot on the top of his head as he was falling to the ground. He also never addressed my question pages ago about how the bullet that went into the inside of the forearm went in at an upward angle suggesting that Browns arm was raised at some point...like in a surrendering position.

BK

Sorry if you thought I was ignoring your question. I just hadn't read up on that particular shot/wound and didn't feel comfortable commenting on it. I have read the official autopsy and the private one listed in the Washington post. I may be misreading these documents, but I am not sure what specific wound you are referring to. I think you are referring to section #8 in the official. Can you take a look at the following autopsies and tell me which one you mean specifically?

 

[Zegras11]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpsQwl_19M4

That was awesome. Very real. It starts with everyone of us no matter what color we are.

 

[timschochet]

Strike, regarding your pm to me: the basement comment was meant to be humorous and not insulting. Many of us engage in back and forth humor here, and that's much different from people saying straight out "you're stupid" or "you're an #######" etc. At least I think it is. I'm sorry that you took particular offense at that comment. I will not repeat it.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Strike, regarding your pm to me: the basement comment was meant to be humorous and not insulting. Many of us engage in back and forth humor here, and that's much different from people saying straight out "you're stupid" or "you're an #######" etc. At least I think it is. I'm sorry that you took particular offense at that comment. I will not repeat it.

Right, like "teabagger" eh? Just "humorous" to you? Just remember that when you take offense to something I might call you ok? IOW, you should apologize for the comment, not that I took offense to it. You're being a righteous doosh with this post. IMO.

 

[timschochet]

Strike, regarding your pm to me: the basement comment was meant to be humorous and not insulting. Many of us engage in back and forth humor here, and that's much different from people saying straight out "you're stupid" or "you're an #######" etc. At least I think it is. I'm sorry that you took particular offense at that comment. I will not repeat it.

Right, like "teabagger" eh? Just "humorous" to you? Just remember that when you take offense to something I might call you ok?

OK. You just called me a ######## in another thread- are we even now?

 

[SIDA!]

Brown was shot in the forehead and the top of the dome. Does anyone here contend that those two shots did not happen in succession and were not the final two shots?

i have no idea. Why is this relevant?

You don't think there is any relevancy to the order of the shots and where they were located on the body? Why would you have no idea? Do you think the dome shot was the first shot?

i didn't say there is no relevancy. I wrote that I didn't understand the relevancy, and I don't. That was not meant to be a challenge to you but an honest question.As far as the dome shot being first or last or in between, weren't all the shots fired in very quick succession? That was my understanding.

Do you think that the order in which shots are fired and where they hit the body is relevant?

i don't know. Intuitively, it seems to me that, outside of the shot to the hand, if the rest of the shots were fired all close together then it doesn't matter what their order is. But that may be the wrong answer. I have no idea.

I would like you to present a scenario whereby an individual can be shot in the forehead with the bullet having a trajectory through the right jaw and through the top of the head without them being successive shots.

 

[timschochet]

Brown was shot in the forehead and the top of the dome. Does anyone here contend that those two shots did not happen in succession and were not the final two shots?

i have no idea. Why is this relevant?

You don't think there is any relevancy to the order of the shots and where they were located on the body? Why would you have no idea? Do you think the dome shot was the first shot?

i didn't say there is no relevancy. I wrote that I didn't understand the relevancy, and I don't. That was not meant to be a challenge to you but an honest question.As far as the dome shot being first or last or in between, weren't all the shots fired in very quick succession? That was my understanding.

Do you think that the order in which shots are fired and where they hit the body is relevant?

i don't know. Intuitively, it seems to me that, outside of the shot to the hand, if the rest of the shots were fired all close together then it doesn't matter what their order is. But that may be the wrong answer. I have no idea.

I would like you to present a scenario whereby an individual can be shot in the forehead with the bullet having a trajectory through the right jaw and through the top of the head without them being successive shots.

im not even sure I understand your challenge here. In any case I would never attempt to make such an argument .

 

[StrikeS2k]

Strike, regarding your pm to me: the basement comment was meant to be humorous and not insulting. Many of us engage in back and forth humor here, and that's much different from people saying straight out "you're stupid" or "you're an #######" etc. At least I think it is. I'm sorry that you took particular offense at that comment. I will not repeat it.

Right, like "teabagger" eh? Just "humorous" to you? Just remember that when you take offense to something I might call you ok?

OK. You just called me a ######## in another thread- are we even now?

Nope. I don't normally call you names. Since you don't feel it necessary to apologize for the insult, just that I took exception to it I'll feel free to insult you as much as I want. If you take offense I'll make sure to apologize for you being offended but not for the actual insult. When you learn to not be insulting I'll consider changing my stance. But why should I when you don't even feel you should apologize for insulting someone, just that they took offense?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I like to look at positives. There are several positive results from this affair, IMO:

1. Wilson wasn't indicted, and he wasn't found guilty. From everything I've learned about this case, I think that this was the most just result. Yes, I think that it's likely he wrongfully shot Michael Brown. But it was a spur of the moment decision and he doesn't deserve to go to jail for that. He resigned from the force and I think that was a good result, because based on this incident I don't think he's a very good police officer. But no indictment was the right decision.

2. The protests have generally been peaceful. Yes, there have been some horrible incidents of rioting, but it could have been far worse- in fact, most of us have seen far worse, only 22 years ago in Los Angeles. Most of the businesses that were damaged or looted will be rebuilt with insurance money.

3. The protests, and this entire incident, has brought attention to institutionalized racism by police in this country. I agree with several people who have pointed out that there could have been a better example than the thug Michael Brown. He was no Medgar Evars or Emmitt Till, that's for sure. But the public is discussing this issue and more aware of it, which is how you solve it, and that's a good thing. GrandpaRox seems to believe that the protests (and rioting and looting, which he refuses to distinguish from each other) will justify in people's minds ethnic stereotyping. Maybe it does for him, but I think the public will see it differently.

4. The police in Ferguson and elsewhere will behave differently. The root of the protests is not that Michael Brown is an isolated incident, but that blacks are treated with less dignity than others by police. I believe this incident will help to change that. I think it's already happening.

5. This entire situation will die down, causing me to post about much less often. So you guys won't have to read me as much. Something to look forward to.

Tim, seriously: #### you.

 

[SIDA!]

Brown was shot in the forehead and the top of the dome. Does anyone here contend that those two shots did not happen in succession and were not the final two shots?

i have no idea. Why is this relevant?

You don't think there is any relevancy to the order of the shots and where they were located on the body? Why would you have no idea? Do you think the dome shot was the first shot?

i didn't say there is no relevancy. I wrote that I didn't understand the relevancy, and I don't. That was not meant to be a challenge to you but an honest question.As far as the dome shot being first or last or in between, weren't all the shots fired in very quick succession? That was my understanding.

Do you think that the order in which shots are fired and where they hit the body is relevant?

i don't know. Intuitively, it seems to me that, outside of the shot to the hand, if the rest of the shots were fired all close together then it doesn't matter what their order is. But that may be the wrong answer. I have no idea.

I would like you to present a scenario whereby an individual can be shot in the forehead with the bullet having a trajectory through the right jaw and through the top of the head without them being successive shots.

im not even sure I understand your challenge here. In any case I would never attempt to make such an argument .

You are willing to put forth many arguments...some ridiculous...some not...on basically every facet of this case. Why are you unwilling to discuss the order in which the shots were fired?

 

[timschochet]

Strike, regarding your pm to me: the basement comment was meant to be humorous and not insulting. Many of us engage in back and forth humor here, and that's much different from people saying straight out "you're stupid" or "you're an #######" etc. At least I think it is. I'm sorry that you took particular offense at that comment. I will not repeat it.

Right, like "teabagger" eh? Just "humorous" to you? Just remember that when you take offense to something I might call you ok?

OK. You just called me a ######## in another thread- are we even now?

Nope. I don't normally call you names. Since you don't feel it necessary to apologize for the insult, just that I took exception to it I'll feel free to insult you as much as I want. If you take offense I'll make sure to apologize for you being offended but not for the actual insult. When you learn to not be insulting I'll consider changing my stance. But why should I when you don't even feel you should apologize for insulting someone, just that they took offense?

I think there's a big difference between what I did and making personal insults. Fine whatever. Go ahead and insult me anytime you feel like it. I won't ever mention it again. If you want to look foolish and rude, have at it.

 

[timschochet]

I like to look at positives. There are several positive results from this affair, IMO:

1. Wilson wasn't indicted, and he wasn't found guilty. From everything I've learned about this case, I think that this was the most just result. Yes, I think that it's likely he wrongfully shot Michael Brown. But it was a spur of the moment decision and he doesn't deserve to go to jail for that. He resigned from the force and I think that was a good result, because based on this incident I don't think he's a very good police officer. But no indictment was the right decision.

2. The protests have generally been peaceful. Yes, there have been some horrible incidents of rioting, but it could have been far worse- in fact, most of us have seen far worse, only 22 years ago in Los Angeles. Most of the businesses that were damaged or looted will be rebuilt with insurance money.

3. The protests, and this entire incident, has brought attention to institutionalized racism by police in this country. I agree with several people who have pointed out that there could have been a better example than the thug Michael Brown. He was no Medgar Evars or Emmitt Till, that's for sure. But the public is discussing this issue and more aware of it, which is how you solve it, and that's a good thing. GrandpaRox seems to believe that the protests (and rioting and looting, which he refuses to distinguish from each other) will justify in people's minds ethnic stereotyping. Maybe it does for him, but I think the public will see it differently.

4. The police in Ferguson and elsewhere will behave differently. The root of the protests is not that Michael Brown is an isolated incident, but that blacks are treated with less dignity than others by police. I believe this incident will help to change that. I think it's already happening.

5. This entire situation will die down, causing me to post about much less often. So you guys won't have to read me as much. Something to look forward to.

Tim, seriously: #### you.

Well at least this wasn't a personal insult!

 

[StrikeS2k]

Strike, regarding your pm to me: the basement comment was meant to be humorous and not insulting. Many of us engage in back and forth humor here, and that's much different from people saying straight out "you're stupid" or "you're an #######" etc. At least I think it is. I'm sorry that you took particular offense at that comment. I will not repeat it.

Right, like "teabagger" eh? Just "humorous" to you? Just remember that when you take offense to something I might call you ok?

OK. You just called me a ######## in another thread- are we even now?

Nope. I don't normally call you names. Since you don't feel it necessary to apologize for the insult, just that I took exception to it I'll feel free to insult you as much as I want. If you take offense I'll make sure to apologize for you being offended but not for the actual insult. When you learn to not be insulting I'll consider changing my stance. But why should I when you don't even feel you should apologize for insulting someone, just that they took offense?

I think there's a big difference between what I did and making personal insults.Fine whatever. Go ahead and insult me anytime you feel like it. I won't ever mention it again. If you want to look foolish and rude, have at it.

Cool. Just don't "report me" as you've been known to do. You can be a real p***y sometimes.