Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (5 Viewers)

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Maybe we can develop a tanglefoot spray which will be sprayed around the feet of a suspect and hold him like a mouse on sticky paper until we use a solvent. Maybe we can shoot blobs of expanding tar that will stick to the suspect and build up and weigh them down like the kid did to Mr. Incredible.

 

[jon_mx]

Of course that really worked for 4 of our police officers who were helping these kids get to their destination on Wednesday when they were struck by a car and one of the officers is critical.

I read that when the crowd saw the car run over the police officers numerous students cheered. It sounds like these students are being taught to view officers as enemy combatants.

Police union: Protesters cheered when car hit officers

Is that wrong if for some Americans police officers act like enemy combatants?

I know my children will have a VERY healthy skepticism and caution towards all law enforcement.

Yes it is wrong to cast as evil a group of people based on the actions of a few, Basically teaching the kids to be racists, except instead of a race it is hatred towards all white cops. They are basically being raised as brown shirts in the brewing race wars. Real classy.

Couldn't have said it any better. Very well spoken.

Of course, all of you boot lickers have hive mind. Anyone mildly critical of law enforcement is the enemy to you types.

I am skeptical of everybody on an equal basis, but yet I think most people deserve respect and some benefit of the doubt until shown otherwise. Your skepticism is pointed towards particular groups. You are much more of a bootlicker in that regard. Plus you are undeniably the biggest ashhole on this forum.

 

[Henry Ford]

And now - More outrage & protests, due to this...oh wait, there wasn't.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/27/white-teen-gilbert-collar-killed-by-black-cop-trev/?page=all

White teen killed by black cop in Alabama mirrors Ferguson

It really is like holding up a mirror.

Gilbert Collar lost the ability to fully understand his actions and to reason, says the complaint. As a result, Gilbert Collar took off his clothes and began running into and out of traffic on the campus of the University of South Alabama.

Mobile County District Attorney Ashley Rich described Collars erratic behavior at a March 2013 press conference after the grand jury issued its decision.

She said the student ran in the direction of the campus police department, rambling incoherently and at one point attempting to climb into a car over the driver.

Collar also tried to bite the driver while the vehicles passenger, a former university football player, punched him repeatedly in the face.

Although Collar was just 5-feet-7 and 135 pounds, the blows didnt faze him, Ms. Rich said at the press conference, a video of which was posted on AL.com.

When he arrived at the police station, Collar began banging on the outside windows, then walked in the general direction of Officer Austin, who had his gun drawn.

The officer shot Collar in the chest while he was still several feet away, according to reports based on a surveillance video.

Tussle inside a car and moving toward officers. Those are the similarities. This happened inside a police station and the kid was 135 lbs. That's strange that they didn't have him restrained.

Wait, Brown didn't try to eat anyone through a car window while an NCAA football player punched him repeatedly, with zero effect?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Of course that really worked for 4 of our police officers who were helping these kids get to their destination on Wednesday when they were struck by a car and one of the officers is critical.

I read that when the crowd saw the car run over the police officers numerous students cheered. It sounds like these students are being taught to view officers as enemy combatants.

Police union: Protesters cheered when car hit officers

Is that wrong if for some Americans police officers act like enemy combatants?

I know my children will have a VERY healthy skepticism and caution towards all law enforcement.

Yes it is wrong to cast as evil a group of people based on the actions of a few, Basically teaching the kids to be racists, except instead of a race it is hatred towards all white cops. They are basically being raised as brown shirts in the brewing race wars. Real classy.

Couldn't have said it any better. Very well spoken.

Of course, all of you boot lickers have hive mind. Anyone mildly critical of law enforcement is the enemy to you types.

I am skeptical of everybody on an equal basis, but yet I think most people deserve respect and some benefit of the doubt until shown otherwise. Your skepticism is pointed towards particular groups. You are much more of a bootlicker in that regard. Plus you are undeniably the biggest ashhole on this forum.

The biggest #######, I don't know about that. I go 18.75 hand and weigh 20 stone. That makes me pretty sizeable. Why I bet he doesn't hit even 17 hand or go more than maybe 13 stone.

 

[Henry Ford]

And now - More outrage & protests, due to this...oh wait, there wasn't.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/27/white-teen-gilbert-collar-killed-by-black-cop-trev/?page=all

White teen killed by black cop in Alabama mirrors Ferguson

It really is like holding up a mirror.

Gilbert Collar lost the ability to fully understand his actions and to reason, says the complaint. As a result, Gilbert Collar took off his clothes and began running into and out of traffic on the campus of the University of South Alabama.

Mobile County District Attorney Ashley Rich described Collars erratic behavior at a March 2013 press conference after the grand jury issued its decision.

She said the student ran in the direction of the campus police department, rambling incoherently and at one point attempting to climb into a car over the driver.

Collar also tried to bite the driver while the vehicles passenger, a former university football player, punched him repeatedly in the face.

Although Collar was just 5-feet-7 and 135 pounds, the blows didnt faze him, Ms. Rich said at the press conference, a video of which was posted on AL.com.

When he arrived at the police station, Collar began banging on the outside windows, then walked in the general direction of Officer Austin, who had his gun drawn.

The officer shot Collar in the chest while he was still several feet away, according to reports based on a surveillance video.

Tussle inside a car and moving toward officers. Those are the similarities. This happened inside a police station and the kid was 135 lbs. That's strange that they didn't have him restrained.

Agreed. Sounds like this guy was absolutely FUBAR on drugs. No clue why he wouldn't have been restrained in the interest of everyone's safety. And (even when he wasn't) you'd like to think a cop (or two) could physically handle him well enough that deadly force was not required. Or maybe taser may have been an option (not that stuff can't go wrong with that)?And not to go off on a tangent, but these new drugs are bad news. Scary.

He was shot in the chest once, I believe, while 5 feet from the officer. And then chased down and handcuffed by multiple officers.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

And now - More outrage & protests, due to this...oh wait, there wasn't.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/27/white-teen-gilbert-collar-killed-by-black-cop-trev/?page=all

White teen killed by black cop in Alabama mirrors Ferguson

It really is like holding up a mirror.

Gilbert Collar lost the ability to fully understand his actions and to reason, says the complaint. As a result, Gilbert Collar took off his clothes and began running into and out of traffic on the campus of the University of South Alabama.

Mobile County District Attorney Ashley Rich described Collars erratic behavior at a March 2013 press conference after the grand jury issued its decision.

She said the student ran in the direction of the campus police department, rambling incoherently and at one point attempting to climb into a car over the driver.

Collar also tried to bite the driver while the vehicles passenger, a former university football player, punched him repeatedly in the face.

Although Collar was just 5-feet-7 and 135 pounds, the blows didnt faze him, Ms. Rich said at the press conference, a video of which was posted on AL.com.

When he arrived at the police station, Collar began banging on the outside windows, then walked in the general direction of Officer Austin, who had his gun drawn.

The officer shot Collar in the chest while he was still several feet away, according to reports based on a surveillance video.

Tussle inside a car and moving toward officers. Those are the similarities.This happened inside a police station and the kid was 135 lbs. That's strange that they didn't have him restrained.

Agreed. Sounds like this guy was absolutely FUBAR on drugs. No clue why he wouldn't have been restrained in the interest of everyone's safety. And (even when he wasn't) you'd like to think a cop (or two) could physically handle him well enough that deadly force was not required. Or maybe taser may have been an option (not that stuff can't go wrong with that)?And not to go off on a tangent, but these new drugs are bad news. Scary.

He was shot in the chest once, I believe, while 5 feet from the officer. And then chased down and handcuffed by multiple officers.

I'm guessing that was a fairly easy chase.

 

[squistion]

On the non-indictment of ham sandwiches. From the Maryland state attorney for Baltimore City:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-ferguson-lessons-20141206-story.html

The oft-cited adage that a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich is equally apt in the converse. Just as a prosecutor can present evidence to a grand jury in a way that leads to no other conclusion but that the defendant should be charged based on the lower standard of probable cause, a prosecutor can also tailor the way the evidence is presented to ensure the return of a "no true bill," which in legal parlance means, no indictment.

Any objective review of the grand jury investigation of the events in Ferguson, where the evidence considered was publicly released, can lead to no other conclusion but that the prosecutors chose the latter approach. Even ascribing to them the best intentions, it is clear that they had their own view of the events and the evidence, and their presentation was designed to sway the grand jurors to their conclusions regarding what happened. The examples are too numerous to enumerate here, but simply comparing the examination of the civilian eyewitnesses who were challenged by prosecutors about the accuracy of what they claimed to have observed with the questioning of Officer Darren Wilson, who was allowed to testify without even the most basic cross-examination, leaves little doubt that the result was preordained.

 

[Christo]

Maybe we can develop a tanglefoot spray which will be sprayed around the feet of a suspect and hold him like a mouse on sticky paper until we use a solvent. Maybe we can shoot blobs of expanding tar that will stick to the suspect and build up and weigh them down like the kid did to Mr. Incredible.

Wasn't the taser implemented for this type of situation?

 

[CowboysFromHell]

And now - More outrage & protests, due to this...oh wait, there wasn't.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/27/white-teen-gilbert-collar-killed-by-black-cop-trev/?page=all

White teen killed by black cop in Alabama mirrors Ferguson

It really is like holding up a mirror.

Gilbert Collar lost the ability to fully understand his actions and to reason, says the complaint. As a result, Gilbert Collar took off his clothes and began running into and out of traffic on the campus of the University of South Alabama.

Mobile County District Attorney Ashley Rich described Collars erratic behavior at a March 2013 press conference after the grand jury issued its decision.

She said the student ran in the direction of the campus police department, rambling incoherently and at one point attempting to climb into a car over the driver.

Collar also tried to bite the driver while the vehicles passenger, a former university football player, punched him repeatedly in the face.

Although Collar was just 5-feet-7 and 135 pounds, the blows didnt faze him, Ms. Rich said at the press conference, a video of which was posted on AL.com.

When he arrived at the police station, Collar began banging on the outside windows, then walked in the general direction of Officer Austin, who had his gun drawn.

The officer shot Collar in the chest while he was still several feet away, according to reports based on a surveillance video.

In fairness, this gentleman did not have a fistful of borrowed cigarillos.

And clearly nothing in his waistband

 

[Henry Ford]

And now - More outrage & protests, due to this...oh wait, there wasn't.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/27/white-teen-gilbert-collar-killed-by-black-cop-trev/?page=all

White teen killed by black cop in Alabama mirrors Ferguson

It really is like holding up a mirror.

Gilbert Collar lost the ability to fully understand his actions and to reason, says the complaint. As a result, Gilbert Collar took off his clothes and began running into and out of traffic on the campus of the University of South Alabama.

Mobile County District Attorney Ashley Rich described Collars erratic behavior at a March 2013 press conference after the grand jury issued its decision.

She said the student ran in the direction of the campus police department, rambling incoherently and at one point attempting to climb into a car over the driver.

Collar also tried to bite the driver while the vehicles passenger, a former university football player, punched him repeatedly in the face.

Although Collar was just 5-feet-7 and 135 pounds, the blows didnt faze him, Ms. Rich said at the press conference, a video of which was posted on AL.com.

When he arrived at the police station, Collar began banging on the outside windows, then walked in the general direction of Officer Austin, who had his gun drawn.

The officer shot Collar in the chest while he was still several feet away, according to reports based on a surveillance video.

In fairness, this gentleman did not have a fistful of borrowed cigarillos.

And clearly nothing in his waistband

Good point.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Maybe we can develop a tanglefoot spray which will be sprayed around the feet of a suspect and hold him like a mouse on sticky paper until we use a solvent. Maybe we can shoot blobs of expanding tar that will stick to the suspect and build up and weigh them down like the kid did to Mr. Incredible.

Wasn't the taser implemented for this type of situation?

It was, but officers duty belts can hold more equipment, because that will be the answer, not better tactics and patience. Talking folks down, giving them a listen and some minimal understanding to calm them is no substitute for tech. I see no reason we cannot have disabling and painful compliance, and just struggle until exhausted compliance too.

 

[mr roboto]

I finally have a few conclusions of which I'm now fairly firmly convinced...

1. The policies for justified use of lethal force by police officers needs review, revision and needs to be restricted.

2. Use of and a commitment to non-lethal measures needs to be an absolute priority for every police force.

3. There needs to be a more objective way to investigate and prosecute lethal shootings by police.

4. Police, as a whole, do not want to use lethal force. Police, as a whole, are a huge net positive to society.

5. Police should be allowed to use lethal force and should be allowed to do so with less restrictions than the general public.

6. Cops killing black men is no where near the biggest issue of violence within the African American community.

7. There is a racial bias statistically toward blacks by cops, meaning blacks are more likely to be stopped, arrested, charged than whites for the exact same fact patterns.

8. Not all 'cop kills unarmed black man' cases are the same. The fact pattern seems to be nearly irrelevant to the protestors which greatly weakens their rhetoric.

9. Black community has some right to be skeptical of the police but they also tend to be the communities where more violence and crime takes place.

 

[Christo]

Maybe we can develop a tanglefoot spray which will be sprayed around the feet of a suspect and hold him like a mouse on sticky paper until we use a solvent. Maybe we can shoot blobs of expanding tar that will stick to the suspect and build up and weigh them down like the kid did to Mr. Incredible.

Wasn't the taser implemented for this type of situation?

It was, but officers duty belts can hold more equipment, because that will be the answer, not better tactics and patience. Talking folks down, giving them a listen and some minimal understanding to calm them is no substitute for tech. I see no reason we cannot have disabling and painful compliance, and just struggle until exhausted compliance too.

Sure, but we'd be having a different discussion if Mike Brown had just been yelling "Don't taze me, bro."

 

[Todd Andrews]

Of course that really worked for 4 of our police officers who were helping these kids get to their destination on Wednesday when they were struck by a car and one of the officers is critical.

I read that when the crowd saw the car run over the police officers numerous students cheered. It sounds like these students are being taught to view officers as enemy combatants.

Police union: Protesters cheered when car hit officers

Is that wrong if for some Americans police officers act like enemy combatants?

I know my children will have a VERY healthy skepticism and caution towards all law enforcement.

Yes it is wrong to cast as evil a group of people based on the actions of a few, Basically teaching the kids to be racists, except instead of a race it is hatred towards all white cops. They are basically being raised as brown shirts in the brewing race wars. Real classy.

Couldn't have said it any better. Very well spoken.

Of course, all of you boot lickers have hive mind. Anyone mildly critical of law enforcement is the enemy to you types.

I am skeptical of everybody on an equal basis, but yet I think most people deserve respect and some benefit of the doubt until shown otherwise. Your skepticism is pointed towards particular groups. You are much more of a bootlicker in that regard. Plus you are undeniably the biggest ashhole on this forum.

Sorry you dont like me pointing out your bootlicker tendencies.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Of course that really worked for 4 of our police officers who were helping these kids get to their destination on Wednesday when they were struck by a car and one of the officers is critical.

I read that when the crowd saw the car run over the police officers numerous students cheered. It sounds like these students are being taught to view officers as enemy combatants.

Police union: Protesters cheered when car hit officers

Is that wrong if for some Americans police officers act like enemy combatants?

I know my children will have a VERY healthy skepticism and caution towards all law enforcement.

Yes it is wrong to cast as evil a group of people based on the actions of a few, Basically teaching the kids to be racists, except instead of a race it is hatred towards all white cops. They are basically being raised as brown shirts in the brewing race wars. Real classy.

Couldn't have said it any better. Very well spoken.

Of course, all of you boot lickers have hive mind. Anyone mildly critical of law enforcement is the enemy to you types.

I am skeptical of everybody on an equal basis, but yet I think most people deserve respect and some benefit of the doubt until shown otherwise. Your skepticism is pointed towards particular groups. You are much more of a bootlicker in that regard. Plus you are undeniably the biggest ashhole on this forum.

The biggest #######, I don't know about that. I go 18.75 hand and weigh 20 stone. That makes me pretty sizeable. Why I bet he doesn't hit even 17 hand or go more than maybe 13 stone.

Im not quite as big as you are.

 

[TobiasFunke]

My conversation with SLB reminded me that I hadn't updated the Ferguson small business fundraising stuff in about two weeks. So I poked around for a couple minutes and found out that people are pretty awesome.

Here's the updated GoFundMe page of the bakery I linked to a couple weeks ago. She's obviously got all the funding she needs at this point so the page now links to other local businesses in need of rebuilding funds. Using the links there is good way to be assured that you're not donating to some scam artist.

You can also search GoFundMe using the 63135 zip code for a list of local businesses and others seeking donations to help them deal with the fallout from the riots/looting.

Here's an article on these fundraising efforts in the Washington Post from a couple days ago that's a nice read.

Bumping this for Monday in case anyone missed it Friday afternoon and wants to pitch in.

Also, this opinion piece in the Post from a former St. Louis cop suggests this isn't just a problem of a few bad apples.

 

[squistion]

Cut for time, SNL skit mocks local St. Louis morning news shows as they tried to change the subject from the Ferguson protests to something, anything else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVzCih9RnWg#t=18

 

[Sweet J]

Cut for time, SNL skit mocks local St. Louis morning news shows as they tried to change the subject from the Ferguson protests to something, anything else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVzCih9RnWg#t=18

Finally, some decent satire from SNL. It's been like 15 years, man.

 

[tdoss]

Cut for time, SNL skit mocks local St. Louis morning news shows as they tried to change the subject from the Ferguson protests to something, anything else.

True...but they cut it for time. Dumb decision but thankfully they put it out on internet.

 

[Sweet J]

Cut for time, SNL skit mocks local St. Louis morning news shows as they tried to change the subject from the Ferguson protests to something, anything else.

wait, with all the dreck that SNL puts out, they decide to cut that skit, which is actually pretty funny? Jesus.

 

[kentric]

Of course that really worked for 4 of our police officers who were helping these kids get to their destination on Wednesday when they were struck by a car and one of the officers is critical.

I read that when the crowd saw the car run over the police officers numerous students cheered. It sounds like these students are being taught to view officers as enemy combatants.

Police union: Protesters cheered when car hit officers

Is that wrong if for some Americans police officers act like enemy combatants?

I know my children will have a VERY healthy skepticism and caution towards all law enforcement.

Yes it is wrong to cast as evil a group of people based on the actions of a few, Basically teaching the kids to be racists, except instead of a race it is hatred towards all white cops. They are basically being raised as brown shirts in the brewing race wars. Real classy.

Couldn't have said it any better. Very well spoken.

Of course, all of you boot lickers have hive mind. Anyone mildly critical of law enforcement is the enemy to you types.

So anyone who doesn't condone people cheering a cop being run over is a bootlicker? I wouldn't call such disdain toward human life as mildly critical of law enforcement. I would call them ****ed up mother*******.

 

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TOP 5

timschochet 818 posts
Henry Ford 508
lod01 391
TobiasFunke 325
BustedKnuckles 242

Jesus Tim.... almost 1000 posts in this thread

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I found out this weekend that my uncle's nephew is the City Administer for Ferguson. He and his wife have had to abandon their home because of death threats and people throwing rocks through the windows. It's also covered in graffiti.

 

[Bucky86]

Woh...anyone read newly released Witness 11 document?

 

[Henry Ford]

Woh...anyone read newly released Witness 11 document?

Link it up.

 

[Bucky86]

Woh...anyone read newly released Witness 11 document?

Link it up.

Here

 

[Henry Ford]

Woh...anyone read newly released Witness 11 document?

Link it up.

Here

Yeesh.

 

[jon_mx]

TOP 5

timschochet 818 posts

Henry Ford 508

lod01 391

TobiasFunke 325

BustedKnuckles 242

Jesus Tim.... almost 1000 posts in this thread

You don't make it too 100K going small.

 

[Da Guru]

TOP 5

timschochet 818 posts

Henry Ford 508

lod01 391

TobiasFunke 325

BustedKnuckles 242

Jesus Tim.... almost 1000 posts in this thread

Tim is off to a commanding early lead in the chokehold thread as well. Tim is better at holding a lead than Tiger Woods in his heyday.

 

[timschochet]

Why is that so interesting to some people?

 

[jon_mx]

Woh...anyone read newly released Witness 11 document?

Link it up.

Here

Yeesh.

So was he shot in the back?

 

[jon_mx]

Why is that so interesting to some people?

Tim, you are like the Pete Rose of FBG. Well maybe not the 4192 hits so much, but the 14,053 plate appearances.

 

[jon_mx]

TOP 5

timschochet 818 posts

Henry Ford 508

lod01 391

TobiasFunke 325

BustedKnuckles 242

Jesus Tim.... almost 1000 posts in this thread

Tim is off to a commanding early lead in the chokehold thread as well. Tim is better at holding a lead than Tiger Woods in his heyday.

What about the cuckold thread?

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Woh...anyone read newly released Witness 11 document?

Link it up.

Here

Yeesh.

So many different stories, it's hard to know who to believe. Thats why the physical evidence is so important, and it does not support this witness account.

 

[timschochet]

Why is that so interesting to some people?

Tim, you are like the Pete Rose of FBG. Well maybe not the 4192 hits so much, but the 14,053 plate appearances.

Well I try to make serious points from a reasonable perspective. If my goal was to be completely irrational most of the time, and spout ridiculous uneducated partisan pronouncements, I could hardly do better than your example.

 

[Henry Ford]

Woh...anyone read newly released Witness 11 document?

Link it up.

Here

Yeesh.

So was he shot in the back?

Again, as in all of the autopsies, there is one shot that entry and exit depends on the arm position at time of shooting.

 

[jon_mx]

Why is that so interesting to some people?

Tim, you are like the Pete Rose of FBG. Well maybe not the 4192 hits so much, but the 14,053 plate appearances.

Well I try to make serious points from a reasonable perspective. If my goal was to be completely irrational most of the time, and spout ridiculous uneducated partisan pronouncements, I could hardly do better than your example.

Partisan? I have a conservative viewpoint, but I really don't like Republicans.

 

[rick6668]

Woh...anyone read newly released Witness 11 document?

Link it up.

Here

Here's the whole thing

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1376583-fed-int-witness-11.html

Nothing new, I read this last week. Anyone thinking this is some ground breaking evidence should actually read the whole document first.

Said Michael Brown stopped, turned around and then was shot multiple times until he was killed. Blood evidence shows blood of Michael Brown 20 feet past the body away from the vehicle.

Anyone testifying that Michael brown did not at least walk towards the officer is mis-remembering or flat out lying.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Of course that really worked for 4 of our police officers who were helping these kids get to their destination on Wednesday when they were struck by a car and one of the officers is critical.

I read that when the crowd saw the car run over the police officers numerous students cheered. It sounds like these students are being taught to view officers as enemy combatants.

Police union: Protesters cheered when car hit officers

Is that wrong if for some Americans police officers act like enemy combatants?

I know my children will have a VERY healthy skepticism and caution towards all law enforcement.

Yes it is wrong to cast as evil a group of people based on the actions of a few, Basically teaching the kids to be racists, except instead of a race it is hatred towards all white cops. They are basically being raised as brown shirts in the brewing race wars. Real classy.

Couldn't have said it any better. Very well spoken.

Of course, all of you boot lickers have hive mind. Anyone mildly critical of law enforcement is the enemy to you types.

So anyone who doesn't condone people cheering a cop being run over is a bootlicker? I wouldn't call such disdain toward human life as mildly critical of law enforcement. I would call them ****ed up mother*******.

Your reading comprehension is really really bad.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I wasn't sure whether to put this in the looting thread or the hammer attack thread...

As hundreds of protesters began marching through downtown Berkeley, the unrest that marked protests Saturday night was touched off again as someone smashed the window of a RadioShack. When a protester tried to stop vandalism, he was hit with a hammer... (NYT)

Stop! Hammer-time!

Hammer-time aftermath

Later, a Whole Foods store on Telegraph Avenue was looted, with people taking and passing around bottles of champagne.

What did this signify? I mean we all know these protesters are always just trying to draw attention to their cause.

 

[jonessed]

I wasn't sure whether to put this in the looting thread or the hammer attack thread...

As hundreds of protesters began marching through downtown Berkeley, the unrest that marked protests Saturday night was touched off again as someone smashed the window of a RadioShack. When a protester tried to stop vandalism, he was hit with a hammer... (NYT)

Hands up... Drink bubbly.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I don't trust the cops or the criminals. But a group of citizens said this is a big nothingburger of a case. I do trust them somewhat more.

Exactly

problem is we arent supposed to trust criminals...police on the other hand SHOULD be trusted ....which is why its worse when you cant

But, funny enough, in this case the officer's story has been shown to be accurate and true.

How so? There were multiple eyewitnesses who testified to versions of the events that differ from Wilson's, and as several of us have shown here there are elements of his story that flat-out don't make sense.

The best you can say is that his story hasn't been shown to be false ... possibly because he wasn't subjected to cross-examination or any sort of challenge whatsoever by the prosecutor.

in your mind

....which functions a little different.

Real witnesses are often unreliable, but for this case, some of the so called witnesses were not even at the scene when the shooting happened.

Congratulations to CNN for taking less than a month to work this out.http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/14/justice/ferguson-witnesses-credibility/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[jon_mx]

I don't trust the cops or the criminals. But a group of citizens said this is a big nothingburger of a case. I do trust them somewhat more.

Exactly

problem is we arent supposed to trust criminals...police on the other hand SHOULD be trusted ....which is why its worse when you cant

But, funny enough, in this case the officer's story has been shown to be accurate and true.

How so? There were multiple eyewitnesses who testified to versions of the events that differ from Wilson's, and as several of us have shown here there are elements of his story that flat-out don't make sense.

The best you can say is that his story hasn't been shown to be false ... possibly because he wasn't subjected to cross-examination or any sort of challenge whatsoever by the prosecutor.

in your mind

....which functions a little different.

Real witnesses are often unreliable, but for this case, some of the so called witnesses were not even at the scene when the shooting happened.

Congratulations to CNN for taking less than a month to work this out.http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/14/justice/ferguson-witnesses-credibility/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

You mean these unbiased reporters???

 

[fatness]

From thesmokinggun

The grand jury witness who testified that she saw Michael Brown pummel a cop before charging at him “like a football player, head down,” is a troubled, bipolar Missouri woman with a criminal past who has a history of making racist remarks and once insinuated herself into another high-profile St. Louis criminal case with claims that police eventually dismissed as a “complete fabrication,” The Smoking Gun has learned.

In interviews with police, FBI agents, and federal and state prosecutors--as well as during two separate appearances before the grand jury that ultimately declined to indict Officer Darren Wilson--the purported eyewitness delivered a preposterous and perjurious account of the fatal encounter in Ferguson.

Referred to only as “Witness 40” in grand jury material, the woman concocted a story that is now baked into the narrative of the Ferguson grand jury, a panel before which she had no business appearing.

While the “hands-up” account of Dorian Johnson is often cited by those who demanded Wilson’s indictment, “Witness 40”’s testimony about seeing Brown batter Wilson and then rush the cop like a defensive end has repeatedly been pointed to by Wilson supporters as directly corroborative of the officer’s version of the August 9 confrontation. The “Witness 40” testimony, as Fox News sees it, is proof that the 18-year-old Brown’s killing was justified, and that the Ferguson grand jury got it right.

However, unlike Johnson, “Witness 40”--a 45-year-old St. Louis resident named Sandra McElroy--was nowhere near Canfield Drive on the Saturday afternoon Brown was shot to death.

Though prosecutors have sought to cloak the identity of grand jury witnesses, a TSG investigation has identified McElroy as “Witness 40.” A careful analysis of information contained in the unredacted portions of “Witness 40”’s grand jury testimony helped reporters identify McElroy and then conclusively match up details of her life with those of “Witness 40.”

TSG examined criminal, civil, matrimonial, and bankruptcy court records, as well as online postings and comments to unmask McElroy as “Witness 40,” the fabulist whose grand jury testimony and law enforcement interviews are deserving of multi-count perjury indictments.

Sandra McElroy did not provide police with a contemporaneous account of the Brown-Wilson confrontation, which she claimed to have watched unfold in front of her as she stood on a nearby sidewalk smoking a cigarette.

Instead, McElroy (seen at left) waited four weeks after the shooting to contact cops. By the time she gave St. Louis police a statement on September 11, a general outline of Wilson’s version of the shooting had already appeared in the press. McElroy’s account of the confrontation dovetailed with Wilson’s reported recollection of the incident.

In the weeks after Brown’s shooting--but before she contacted police--McElroy used her Facebook account to comment on the case. On August 15, she “liked’ a Facebook comment reporting that Johnson had admitted that he and Brown stole cigars before the confrontation with Wilson. On August 17, a Facebook commenter wrote that Johnson and others should be arrested for inciting riots and giving false statements to police in connection with their claims that Brown had his hands up when shot by Wilson. “The report and autopsy are in so YES they were false,” McElroy wrote of the “hands-up” claims. This appears to be an odd comment from someone who claims to have been present during the shooting.

On October 22, McElroy went to the FBI field office in St. Louis and was interviewed by an agent and two Department of Justice prosecutors. The day before that taped meeting, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch published a lengthy story detailing exactly what Wilson told police investigators about the Ferguson shooting.

McElroy provided the federal investigators with an account that neatly tracked with Wilson’s version of the fatal confrontation.

When asked what she was doing in Ferguson--which is about 30 miles north of her home--McElroy explained that she was planning to “pop in” on a former high school classmate she had not seen in 26 years.

McElroy would return to the Ferguson grand jury 11 days later, journal pages in hand and with a revamped story for the panel.

When Sandra McElroy returned to the Ferguson grand jury on November 3, she brought a spiral notebook purportedly containing her handwritten journal entries for some dates in August, including the Saturday Michael Brown was shot.

Before testifying about the content of her notebook scribblings, McElroy admitted that she had not driven to Ferguson in search of an African-American pal she had last seen in 1988. Instead, McElroy offered a substitute explanation that was, remarkably, an even bigger lie.

McElroy, again under oath, explained to grand jurors that she was something of an amateur urban anthropologist. Every couple of weeks, McElroy testified, she likes to “go into all the African-American neighborhoods.” During these weekend sojourns--apparently conducted when her ex has the kids--McElroy said she will “go in and have coffee and I will strike up a conversation with an African-American and I will try to talk to them because I’m trying to understand more.”

As she testified, McElroy admitted that her sworn account of the Brown-Wilson confrontation was likely peppered with details of the incident she had read online.

McElroy’s devotion to the truth--lacking during her appearances before the Ferguson grand jury--was also absent in early-2007 when she fabricated a bizarre story in the wake of the rescue of Shawn Hornbeck, a St. Louis boy who had been held captive for more than four years by Michael Devlin, a resident of Kirkwood, a city just outside St. Louis.

McElroy, who also lived in Kirkwood, told KMOV-TV that she had known Devlin (seen at left) for 20 years. She also claimed to have gone to the police months after the child’s October 2002 disappearance to report that she had seen Devlin with Hornbeck. The police, McElroy said, checked out her tip and determined that the boy with Devlin was not Hornbeck.

In the face of McElroy’s allegations, the Kirkwood Police Department fired back at her. Cops reported that they investigated her claim and determined that “we have no record of any contact with Mrs. McElroy in regards to Shawn Hornbeck.” The police statement concluded, “We have found that this story is a complete fabrication.”

 

[timschochet]

Wow. Wasn't she the key witness who confirmed the charge? If so, this really sheds a new light on stuff...

 

[Henry Ford]

Gee, is that the person with the stupid journal many thought was obviously fake?

 

[Bucky86]

So the one witness that confirms Wilson's own testimony was lying?

 

[jon_mx]

Wow. Wasn't she the key witness who confirmed the charge? If so, this really sheds a new light on stuff...

No. witness 10 was the key witness, and 10 was a guy. This is a lady, so unbind your panties.

 

[jon_mx]

So the one witness that confirms Wilson's own testimony was lying?

Ummm. No.

 

[Henry Ford]

"Today I will go to Ferguson to learn not to be so racist. End of journal entry."