Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (1 Viewer)

[EYLive]

Sorry if Honda.

Is this Michael Brown?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Federal charges unlikely for Darren Wilson in Ferguson case, officials sayBy Sara Sidner, Pamela Brown and Shimon Prokupecz, CNN

Updated 7:50 AM ET, Thu January 22, 2015

(CNN)A federal investigation has not found enough evidence to charge Darren Wilson with the federal crime of depriving Michael Brown of his civil rights, according to multiple sources familiar with the investigation.
The FBI has completed its investigation into the August shooting in Ferguson, Missouri, and sent the findings to the Justice Department, a law enforcement official and a separate U.S. official said Wednesday.

Justice Department prosecutors will not recommend civil rights charges against Wilson, who killed Brown, because there is not sufficient evidence to support charges, a U.S. official told CNN.

The New York Times first reported the development Wednesday.

A grand jury decided not to indict Wilson on state charges in November.

However, the final Justice Department report has not been completed. The FBI joined local officials in interviewing over 200 people and looked at much the same evidence as the grand jury.

Ultimately, the decision will be made by Attorney General Eric Holder, who has said he will announce a decision before he leaves office, which is expected to be by spring.

Another Justice Department civil rights investigation into the Ferguson Police Department's overall track record with minorities is ongoing.

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Brown's family, declined to comment on the news Wednesday.

"The family of Michael Brown Jr. will wait for official word from the Justice Department regarding whether or not any charges will be filed against the police officer who shot and killed him," Crump said in a written statement released Wednesday. "The family won't address speculation from anonymous sources."

Months of protests over alleged police brutality and racial profiling surged in Ferguson and across the country after Wilson, a white officer, killed Brown, an unarmed African-American teen.

Legal experts have long noted that a federal civil rights case against Wilson would be more difficult to prove.

"The bar is extraordinarily high," said Joey Jackson, a criminal defense attorney and legal analyst for CNN's sister network HLN. "You have to show an intentional deprivation of a civil right."

Given how difficult it is to prove intent, and also how many conflicting accounts emerged from the grand jury investigation, "it would be very difficult to move forward federally with a civil rights charge," Jackson said.

If no federal charges are brought against Wilson, who resigned from his position as a Ferguson Police officer in November, some people in the area will be disappointed, said Antonio French, a St. Louis city alderman who lives near Ferguson.

"I think you have a lot of people who will be disappointed if this does turn out to be the case. The community and the family wanted a day in court, an opportunity to see all the evidence laid out, cross-examined," French said. "And it looks like that's not going to happen. I hope we don't have any violence as a result of this."

Violent protests erupted in Ferguson after the grand jury's decision not to indict Wilson in November. Police are still searching for suspects accused of looting.

Protests aren't likely to stop any time soon, French said.

"People have a right to protest. We will probably continue to see that. That's a good thing. But we want to keep them peaceful, nonviolent," he said. "Because violence makes the situation worse. It divides the community in a time we need to come together and make everyone feel like they can get equal protection."

Ultimately, he said, some of the protesters' goals can be achieved outside the courts.

"The next steps I think are legislative change," French said, "trying to make sure that in cases like this we get a special prosecutor by law, and to create a new level of civilian oversight over police departments."

In his State of the State speech on Wednesday, Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon said addressing "the broader, systemic issues" raised by the unrest that followed the killing of Brown would demand "sustained effort."

"The legacy of Ferguson will be determined by what we do next ... to foster healing and hope ... and the changes we make to strengthen all of our communities," he said.

I'm kind of surprised that there wasn't any protest, or at least it wasn't televised/mentioned on the news...

Uh Hellooooo, isn't this big news???

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

By the way the USA has brought charges against cops in two instances I can think of in NO, this is by no means an impossible standard to meet.

Why hasn't the Obama/Holder administration acted on the civil rights charges?

 

[TheAristocrat]

Sorry if Honda.

Is this Michael Brown?

Jesus. Seems like a propaganda piece by the comments and I have no idea. Just a crazy video, something straight off The Soprano's Wire.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Sorry if Honda.

Is this Michael Brown?

Jesus. Seems like a propaganda piece by the comments and I have no idea. Just a crazy video, something straight off The Soprano's Wire.

already proven it wasnt brown...different state ...different age ...i believe it was on snopes

 

[Henry Ford]

Sorry if Honda.

He's a big, broad black kid. That's enough for me!

 

[jonessed]

By the way the USA has brought charges against cops in two instances I can think of in NO, this is by no means an impossible standard to meet.

Why hasn't the Obama/Holder administration acted on the civil rights charges?

They don't have a good case?

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Are we talking about this yet?

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/01/jerame-reid-police-shot-video

Hard to really see what all was going on there.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Federal charges unlikely for Darren Wilson in Ferguson case, officials sayBy Sara Sidner, Pamela Brown and Shimon Prokupecz, CNN

Updated 7:50 AM ET, Thu January 22, 2015

(CNN)A federal investigation has not found enough evidence to charge Darren Wilson with the federal crime of depriving Michael Brown of his civil rights, according to multiple sources familiar with the investigation.
The FBI has completed its investigation into the August shooting in Ferguson, Missouri, and sent the findings to the Justice Department, a law enforcement official and a separate U.S. official said Wednesday.

Justice Department prosecutors will not recommend civil rights charges against Wilson, who killed Brown, because there is not sufficient evidence to support charges, a U.S. official told CNN.

The New York Times first reported the development Wednesday.

A grand jury decided not to indict Wilson on state charges in November.

However, the final Justice Department report has not been completed. The FBI joined local officials in interviewing over 200 people and looked at much the same evidence as the grand jury.

Ultimately, the decision will be made by Attorney General Eric Holder, who has said he will announce a decision before he leaves office, which is expected to be by spring.

Another Justice Department civil rights investigation into the Ferguson Police Department's overall track record with minorities is ongoing.

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Brown's family, declined to comment on the news Wednesday.

"The family of Michael Brown Jr. will wait for official word from the Justice Department regarding whether or not any charges will be filed against the police officer who shot and killed him," Crump said in a written statement released Wednesday. "The family won't address speculation from anonymous sources."

Months of protests over alleged police brutality and racial profiling surged in Ferguson and across the country after Wilson, a white officer, killed Brown, an unarmed African-American teen.

Legal experts have long noted that a federal civil rights case against Wilson would be more difficult to prove.

"The bar is extraordinarily high," said Joey Jackson, a criminal defense attorney and legal analyst for CNN's sister network HLN. "You have to show an intentional deprivation of a civil right."

Given how difficult it is to prove intent, and also how many conflicting accounts emerged from the grand jury investigation, "it would be very difficult to move forward federally with a civil rights charge," Jackson said.

If no federal charges are brought against Wilson, who resigned from his position as a Ferguson Police officer in November, some people in the area will be disappointed, said Antonio French, a St. Louis city alderman who lives near Ferguson.

"I think you have a lot of people who will be disappointed if this does turn out to be the case. The community and the family wanted a day in court, an opportunity to see all the evidence laid out, cross-examined," French said. "And it looks like that's not going to happen. I hope we don't have any violence as a result of this."

Violent protests erupted in Ferguson after the grand jury's decision not to indict Wilson in November. Police are still searching for suspects accused of looting.

Protests aren't likely to stop any time soon, French said.

"People have a right to protest. We will probably continue to see that. That's a good thing. But we want to keep them peaceful, nonviolent," he said. "Because violence makes the situation worse. It divides the community in a time we need to come together and make everyone feel like they can get equal protection."

Ultimately, he said, some of the protesters' goals can be achieved outside the courts.

"The next steps I think are legislative change," French said, "trying to make sure that in cases like this we get a special prosecutor by law, and to create a new level of civilian oversight over police departments."

In his State of the State speech on Wednesday, Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon said addressing "the broader, systemic issues" raised by the unrest that followed the killing of Brown would demand "sustained effort."

"The legacy of Ferguson will be determined by what we do next ... to foster healing and hope ... and the changes we make to strengthen all of our communities," he said.

I'm sure Holder will be calling a press conference any day now to apologize for grand standing and politicizing this.

 

[glock]

Piggy backing on the Missouri shooting- Linky.

Police shot the teenager early Monday morning after they say she struck and injured an officer with a stolen car. Authorities did not release the girl's name, but friends identified her as Jessica Hernandez.

"We're angry about it. It's another life taken by another cop," said 19-year-old Cynthia Valdez, a close friend and schoolmate of the girl. "She was trying to find her talent. She wanted to find out what she wanted to be. ... Who knows what she could have been?"

Few details were immediately released after the shooting in an alley in the older, middle-class residential neighborhood. The four other people in the car were not injured by the gunfire, and all were being questioned as part of the investigation, police said. It was not clear whether any had been arrested.

Police Chief Robert White said an officer was called to check on a suspicious vehicle and a colleague arrived after it was determined the car had been reported stolen.

In a statement, police said the two officers then "approached the vehicle on foot when the driver drove the car into one of the officers."

White said both officers then opened fire. The officer hit by the car was taken to a hospital with a leg injury.

Is assault with a deadly weapon- stolen vehicle -not justifiable cause for using deadly force in return?

 

[lod01]

Piggy backing on the Missouri shooting- Linky.

Police shot the teenager early Monday morning after they say she struck and injured an officer with a stolen car. Authorities did not release the girl's name, but friends identified her as Jessica Hernandez.

"We're angry about it. It's another life taken by another cop," said 19-year-old Cynthia Valdez, a close friend and schoolmate of the girl. "She was trying to find her talent. She wanted to find out what she wanted to be. ... Who knows what she could have been?"

Few details were immediately released after the shooting in an alley in the older, middle-class residential neighborhood. The four other people in the car were not injured by the gunfire, and all were being questioned as part of the investigation, police said. It was not clear whether any had been arrested.

Police Chief Robert White said an officer was called to check on a suspicious vehicle and a colleague arrived after it was determined the car had been reported stolen.

In a statement, police said the two officers then "approached the vehicle on foot when the driver drove the car into one of the officers."

White said both officers then opened fire. The officer hit by the car was taken to a hospital with a leg injury.

Is assault with a deadly weapon- stolen vehicle -not justifiable cause for using deadly force in return?

Excellent police work. She got what was coming to her. Steal car, attempt to run over cop, die. Any questions?

 

[njherdfan]

Here are the police arresting a lawyer in a courtroom for telling the police not to take photographs of random people.

 

[Rayderr]

Police shot the teenager early Monday morning after they say she struck and injured an officer with a stolen car. Authorities did not release the girl's name, but friends identified her as Jessica Hernandez.

"We're angry about it. It's another life taken by another cop," said 19-year-old Cynthia Valdez, a close friend and schoolmate of the girl. "She was trying to find her talent. She wanted to find out what she wanted to be. ... Who knows what she could have been?"

Few details were immediately released after the shooting in an alley in the older, middle-class residential neighborhood. The four other people in the car were not injured by the gunfire, and all were being questioned as part of the investigation, police said. It was not clear whether any had been arrested.

Police Chief Robert White said an officer was called to check on a suspicious vehicle and a colleague arrived after it was determined the car had been reported stolen.

In a statement, police said the two officers then "approached the vehicle on foot when the driver drove the car into one of the officers."

White said both officers then opened fire. The officer hit by the car was taken to a hospital with a leg injury.

I'm guessing criminal, though not a very good one.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Here are the police arresting a lawyer in a courtroom for telling the police not to take photographs of random people.

Holy ****.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Here are the police arresting a lawyer in a courtroom for telling the police not to take photographs of random people.

Holy ****.

No problem. She the lawyer said he is not represented by us, the cop told her to step aside or be arrested. She made her choice.

 

[tdoss]

This shooting of the homeless man out here in L.A. won't end well.

 

[avoiding injuries]

This shooting of the homeless man out here in L.A. won't end well.

Really? I saw the video. The guy was definitely resisting, even while being tased. If he was struggling for one of the officer's guns (I know this is being debated), then you have to expect the outcome.

 

[jonessed]

This shooting of the homeless man out here in L.A. won't end well.

Probably not, but when you try to grab a police officer's gun you run a high risk of getting shot.

 

[lod01]

This shooting of the homeless man out here in L.A. won't end well.

Probably not, but when you try to grab a police officer's gun you run a high risk of getting shot.

He got what was coming to him. Zero sympathy.

 

[Sweet J]

This shooting of the homeless man out here in L.A. won't end well.

Probably not, but when you try to grab a police officer's gun you run a high risk of getting shot.

sickening.

 

[Bonfire]

This shooting of the homeless man out here in L.A. won't end well.

Probably not, but when you try to grab a police officer's gun you run a high risk of getting shot.

sickening.

which part?

 

[Bucky86]

This shooting of the homeless man out here in L.A. won't end well.

Probably not, but when you try to grab a police officer's gun you run a high risk of getting shot.

He got what was coming to him. Zero sympathy.

I agree. The guy was going ####### psycho and it was already in close combat. They used tasers which appeared to not be working. Good police shooting Imo.

I hope the person that grabbed the officer baton also gets punished harshly.

 

[Sweet J]

This shooting of the homeless man out here in L.A. won't end well.

Probably not, but when you try to grab a police officer's gun you run a high risk of getting shot.

sickening.

which part?

That five or six police officers could not subdue an unarmed homeless man without shooting him to death.

 

[Sweet J]

Looking back on the past 20 years or so, it seems that the beating the LA cops put on Rodney King was kind of quaint, no?

"Wait, we were upset that a bunch of cops pulled over a speeding and high black guy and beat him up?"

-- Right.

"And they didn't shoot him fifteen times. Or burn 75% of his one year old kid's body by throwing a flashbang grenade through his bedroom window. Or choke him to death as four other cops look on. Or shoot him for reaching for his wallet at a traffic stop, after asking for his wallet. Or leaving his dead and uncovered body on the ground for hours."

-- Right.

"They just beat him up."

-- Right.

So what were we mad at again?

 

[msommer]

One of the police officers was wearing a body camera. That should be very helpful in determining the facts of the case

 

[Bucky86]

One of the police officers was wearing a body camera. That should be very helpful in determining the facts of the case

Agree. I generally never side with the police, but that guy looked like he was doing a pretty good job against all those cops. He could've been on some kind of drug that affected his ability to feel pain. If he was fighting them off and was able to get his hands near an officers weapon i don't feel much sympathy.

 

[Sweet J]

One of the police officers was wearing a body camera. That should be very helpful in determining the facts of the case

Well, along with the other camera used by a citizen.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This shooting of the homeless man out here in L.A. won't end well.

Probably not, but when you try to grab a police officer's gun you run a high risk of getting shot.

sickening.

which part?

That five or six police officers could not subdue an unarmed homeless man without shooting him to death.

didnt you know that the cops use the adage ''work smarter not harder''

 

[belljr]

Nbc I think did a piece on police training. They put him in a training simulator and played out different scenarios.

I think everyone should try that one time to see sometimes how quickly a decision needs to be made.

 

[msommer]

One of the police officers was wearing a body camera. That should be very helpful in determining the facts of the case

Well, along with the other camera used by a citizen.

I didn't watch the video but the text in the article did not clearly state that he could be seen grabbing the officers gun. You'd think/hope that the body camera clears that up.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

One of the police officers was wearing a body camera. That should be very helpful in determining the facts of the case

Well, along with the other camera used by a citizen.

I didn't watch the video but the text in the article did not clearly state that he could be seen grabbing the officers gun. You'd think/hope that the body camera clears that up.

you can gear one of the cops screaming ''he`s got my gun'' at least 3 times ...this was on the heals of them tazing the guy...within seconds a volley of shots

 

[Jack White]

Nbc I think did a piece on police training. They put him in a training simulator and played out different scenarios.

I think everyone should try that one time to see sometimes how quickly a decision needs to be made.

There might indeed be cases where cops have to make quick decisions in cases like these.

But it doesn't change the fact there are multiple reasons why cops can shoot first and ask questions later:

Officer safety - this is the number one goal of cops everywhere, to protect themselves, not the public. The cop can always claim he feared for his own safety.

Police unions - these guys are going to do whatever necessary to protect their guys, the truth be damned.

Qualified immunity - officers generally can't be sued for their official actions

Sham investigations - when an officer shoots and kills, he's given a paid vacation, and then almost always cleared by the internal investigation. In cases where a Grand Jury gets involved, there is almost never an indictment, even though a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich anytime he wants.

Blue code of silence - cops, even the "good" ones, will not break the blue wall of silence and acknowledge, confirm or report misconduct by another officer.

I'm sure there are occasions when an officer is actually made to pay for his crime, but they are merely the exceptions that prove the rule.

 

[urbanhack]

SHOCKED! SHOCKED I TELL YOU!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/justice-department-finds-pattern-of-police-bias-and-excessive-force-in-ferguson.html

 

[Sweet J]

SHOCKED! SHOCKED I TELL YOU!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/justice-department-finds-pattern-of-police-bias-and-excessive-force-in-ferguson.html

yeah, least suprising thing ever. Kind of anticlimactic. I keep seeing the reports, and I'm like: "yeah, and?"

 

[Sweet J]

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/03/2-officers-injured-in-lake-wales-shooting/24341785/

Police saw that he had a gun, and yelled "drop it," BEFORE the exchanges of gunfire. Oh, and they didn't kill him.

Let's play "guess whether he was white or black?"

 

[jonessed]

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/03/2-officers-injured-in-lake-wales-shooting/24341785/

Police saw that he had a gun, and yelled "drop it," BEFORE the exchanges of gunfire. Oh, and they didn't kill him.

Let's play "guess whether he was white or black?"

There was a shootout. Do you think the cops were all just trying to wound him?

 

[Sweet J]

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/03/2-officers-injured-in-lake-wales-shooting/24341785/

Police saw that he had a gun, and yelled "drop it," BEFORE the exchanges of gunfire. Oh, and they didn't kill him.

Let's play "guess whether he was white or black?"

There was a shootout. Do you think the cops were all just trying to wound him?

We could play the game where we take all the situations where we compare:

(1) a white man performs a mass shooting, killing multiple people, and he is lead away in handcuffs, or merely "wounded."

to

(2) a black man doesn't have a gun, but the police officer thinks he may have one, or the officer says "he reached for my gun," and the black guy is shot dead.

But do we really have to? Can we admit that something is broken?

I honestly don't think it is because these police officers "hate" black men. Or even consider themselves racist. But something is wrong here, and it needs to be fixed.

 

[jonessed]

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/03/2-officers-injured-in-lake-wales-shooting/24341785/

Police saw that he had a gun, and yelled "drop it," BEFORE the exchanges of gunfire. Oh, and they didn't kill him.

Let's play "guess whether he was white or black?"

There was a shootout. Do you think the cops were all just trying to wound him?

We could play the game where we take all the situations where we compare:

(1) a white man performs a mass shooting, killing multiple people, and he is lead away in handcuffs, or merely "wounded."

to

(2) a black man doesn't have a gun, but the police officer thinks he may have one, or the officer says "he reached for my gun," and the black guy is shot dead.

But do we really have to? Can we admit that something is broken?

I honestly don't think it is because these police officers "hate" black men. Or even consider themselves racist. But something is wrong here, and it needs to be fixed.

Im just failing to see how this incident fits in with your narrative. The police would have clearly been shooting to kill. Just because the target didn't actually die doesn't mean it's part of a conspiracy to wound white people.

 

[TheIronSheik]

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/03/2-officers-injured-in-lake-wales-shooting/24341785/

Police saw that he had a gun, and yelled "drop it," BEFORE the exchanges of gunfire. Oh, and they didn't kill him.

Let's play "guess whether he was white or black?"

There was a shootout. Do you think the cops were all just trying to wound him?

We could play the game where we take all the situations where we compare:

(1) a white man performs a mass shooting, killing multiple people, and he is lead away in handcuffs, or merely "wounded."

to

(2) a black man doesn't have a gun, but the police officer thinks he may have one, or the officer says "he reached for my gun," and the black guy is shot dead.

But do we really have to? Can we admit that something is broken?

I honestly don't think it is because these police officers "hate" black men. Or even consider themselves racist. But something is wrong here, and it needs to be fixed.

Im just failing to see how this incident fits in with your narrative. The police would have clearly been shooting to kill. Just because the target didn't actually die doesn't mean it's part of a conspiracy to wound white people.

"Guys! The perp that's shooting at us is white! Be sure to return fire only at non-vital organs! That's an order!!! "

 

[TheWalkmen]

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/03/2-officers-injured-in-lake-wales-shooting/24341785/

Police saw that he had a gun, and yelled "drop it," BEFORE the exchanges of gunfire. Oh, and they didn't kill him.

Let's play "guess whether he was white or black?"

You should play the same game with acts of violent crime and the suspect(s).

 

[Sweet J]

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/03/2-officers-injured-in-lake-wales-shooting/24341785/

Police saw that he had a gun, and yelled "drop it," BEFORE the exchanges of gunfire. Oh, and they didn't kill him.

Let's play "guess whether he was white or black?"

You should play the same game with acts of violent crime and the suspect(s).

Ok, I'll start:

(1) 13 year old boy sits in the park with a bb gun: Dead.

(2) James Eagan Jones shoots and kills 12 people (and injurs 70 others) in a movie theater in Aurora Colorado: Not dead.

I don't have time to play this game. But there are many, many, more examples.

 

[Sweet J]

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/03/2-officers-injured-in-lake-wales-shooting/24341785/

Police saw that he had a gun, and yelled "drop it," BEFORE the exchanges of gunfire. Oh, and they didn't kill him.

Let's play "guess whether he was white or black?"

There was a shootout. Do you think the cops were all just trying to wound him?

We could play the game where we take all the situations where we compare:

(1) a white man performs a mass shooting, killing multiple people, and he is lead away in handcuffs, or merely "wounded."

to

(2) a black man doesn't have a gun, but the police officer thinks he may have one, or the officer says "he reached for my gun," and the black guy is shot dead.

But do we really have to? Can we admit that something is broken?

I honestly don't think it is because these police officers "hate" black men. Or even consider themselves racist. But something is wrong here, and it needs to be fixed.

Im just failing to see how this incident fits in with your narrative. The police would have clearly been shooting to kill. Just because the target didn't actually die doesn't mean it's part of a conspiracy to wound white people.

Sure. I'm sure they were shooting to kill. But they didn't kill. Nor did they kills James Eagan Holmes, or plenty other white mass murderers. But their aim seems to be just fine against unarmed black guys. Enough of these things happen, and it's no longer a coincidence.

 

[TheIronSheik]

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/03/2-officers-injured-in-lake-wales-shooting/24341785/

Police saw that he had a gun, and yelled "drop it," BEFORE the exchanges of gunfire. Oh, and they didn't kill him.

Let's play "guess whether he was white or black?"

There was a shootout. Do you think the cops were all just trying to wound him?

We could play the game where we take all the situations where we compare:

(1) a white man performs a mass shooting, killing multiple people, and he is lead away in handcuffs, or merely "wounded."

to

(2) a black man doesn't have a gun, but the police officer thinks he may have one, or the officer says "he reached for my gun," and the black guy is shot dead.

But do we really have to? Can we admit that something is broken?

I honestly don't think it is because these police officers "hate" black men. Or even consider themselves racist. But something is wrong here, and it needs to be fixed.

Im just failing to see how this incident fits in with your narrative. The police would have clearly been shooting to kill. Just because the target didn't actually die doesn't mean it's part of a conspiracy to wound white people.

Sure. I'm sure they were shooting to kill. But they didn't kill. Nor did they kills James Eagan Holmes, or plenty other white mass murderers. But their aim seems to be just fine against unarmed black guys. Enough of these things happen, and it's no longer a coincidence.

Against a mass shooter, police can sit back, clear the area, and work to a peaceful ending. This is because they are usually on the scene AFTER the shooting happens. If a person pulls out a gun when the police officer is there, I'm guessing no matter what race they are, they will either end up dead, or a cop killer.

 

[Rayderr]

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/03/2-officers-injured-in-lake-wales-shooting/24341785/

Police saw that he had a gun, and yelled "drop it," BEFORE the exchanges of gunfire. Oh, and they didn't kill him.

Let's play "guess whether he was white or black?"

You should play the same game with acts of violent crime and the suspect(s).

Ok, I'll start:

(1) 13 year old boy sits in the park with a bb gun: Dead.

(2) James Eagan Jones shoots and kills 12 people (and injurs 70 others) in a movie theater in Aurora Colorado: Not dead.

I don't have time to play this game. But there are many, many, more examples.

The Tavon Rice situation is a tragedy, and one that I think is largely overlooked due to the Trayvon Martin and Ferguson cases. However Aurora shooting was an entirely different situation as Holmes surrendered instantly with no resistance.

 

[jonessed]

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/03/2-officers-injured-in-lake-wales-shooting/24341785/

Police saw that he had a gun, and yelled "drop it," BEFORE the exchanges of gunfire. Oh, and they didn't kill him.

Let's play "guess whether he was white or black?"

There was a shootout. Do you think the cops were all just trying to wound him?

We could play the game where we take all the situations where we compare:

(1) a white man performs a mass shooting, killing multiple people, and he is lead away in handcuffs, or merely "wounded."

to

(2) a black man doesn't have a gun, but the police officer thinks he may have one, or the officer says "he reached for my gun," and the black guy is shot dead.

But do we really have to? Can we admit that something is broken?

I honestly don't think it is because these police officers "hate" black men. Or even consider themselves racist. But something is wrong here, and it needs to be fixed.

Im just failing to see how this incident fits in with your narrative. The police would have clearly been shooting to kill. Just because the target didn't actually die doesn't mean it's part of a conspiracy to wound white people.

Sure. I'm sure they were shooting to kill. But they didn't kill. Nor did they kills James Eagan Holmes, or plenty other white mass murderers. But their aim seems to be just fine against unarmed black guys. Enough of these things happen, and it's no longer a coincidence.

I don't believe you have set up a good argument here.

 

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http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/03/2-officers-injured-in-lake-wales-shooting/24341785/

Police saw that he had a gun, and yelled "drop it," BEFORE the exchanges of gunfire. Oh, and they didn't kill him.

Let's play "guess whether he was white or black?"

Wow... at this point I'm convinced Sweet J is fishing... 100 rounds exchanged and he thinks this was race-related?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I think given the opportunity most cops would love to shoot all deadbeat criminals....regardless of race.

 

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http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/03/2-officers-injured-in-lake-wales-shooting/24341785/

Police saw that he had a gun, and yelled "drop it," BEFORE the exchanges of gunfire. Oh, and they didn't kill him.

Let's play "guess whether he was white or black?"

You should play the same game with acts of violent crime and the suspect(s).

Nope. There is ZERO evidence that indicates black men commit crimes at rates higher than white men. Don't go down that road or you'll be called racist.

 

[Jayrod]

Sweet J has to be fishing....right?

I can understand the arguments of racism based on arrest records vs population, but using anecdotal shooting incidents as an evidence of racism?

 

[ArbyMelt]

SHOCKED! SHOCKED I TELL YOU!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/justice-department-finds-pattern-of-police-bias-and-excessive-force-in-ferguson.html

Similar to the national average

https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/573208017879093248/photo/1