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M. Bell Not The Starter....YET (1 Viewer)
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Todem
Footballguy
If you ask me he looks like Golum from Lord of Rings.
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Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Denvers starters > Detroit or Houston starters. Denver backups are >> Detroit or Houston backups.Cobbs 2006 = Dayne 2005.
Sorry man, but there's a HUGE difference between the talent on Denver and either of those teams, starters or backups. Just as much with the starters as the backups - at least I'd hope so if Denver has any aspirations of being a contender.When Mike Bell ran behind the first team OL against those 2 poor defenses, he was held to under 3 YPC. Running behind an OL filled with backups and against the backups of those two teams, Cobbs had a lot of success.Right now, it's comparing apples to oranges, and it will be until Cobbs gets his shot. And he will.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Conspiracy theorist perhaps not. You're reaching to some pretty strange levels to connect these two. Let's throw any crap at the wall and say it "stinks". The only thing here that stinks is the "connection" you've pulled from your rear end. Show me SOMETHING that shows the two teams have talked, THEN I'll concede there's perhaps something more than a fantasy owners dream.Yeah, I'm the conspiracy theorist on these boards. Riiiiiiight.There's thread after thread after thread that proves otherwise.I posted this in the Titans RB rumors thread, and it's relevant here, so here it is again...
There's BS spin coming out of Denver. There's BS spin coming out of Tennessee. Something stinks.
Someone's moving.
My gut tells me Travis Henry's going to the Donkeys to start.
But that's just my
satch
Footballguy
At this point it's a legit comparison. Both Dayne & Cobbs could be considered "project" guys with past success who for one reason or another haven't lived up to expectations. Now, the key is the first three words of my post. At this point.I believe Dayne was given every opportunity to nail down the #1 RB spot in Denver, but could not capitalize. I also believe that Cobbs is being given that same opportunity right now. We've yet to see if Cobbs can capitalize on it or not. We do know that the best shot Cobbs has at reaching his potential is in Denver. See Olandis Gary, Terrel Davis, Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns, etc. If Cobbs does have the skills to be a starting NFL RB, he will never be in a better situation to prove it.
Clearly Tatum Bell does not have what it takes to be the #1 RB in Denver. Otherwise, this and the countless other "Denver RB" threads wouldn't exist. Tatum Bell is the 3rd down back. Also, Shanny brought Cobbs in for a reason. The reason being that he sees talent and potential. Shanny himself has stated that going into tomorrow nights final preseason game the #1 RB spot is up for grabs. I'm sure this weeks practices have been critical as well.
I see this as coming down to Mike Bell or Cedric Cobbs being Denvers #1 RB. If Bell wins the job then has a couple poor games, while Cobbs comes in, moves the ball and sparks the team in spot duty, do you not think Shanny will give Cobbs a shot? If either are available in your league, they shouldn't be.
moleculo
Footballguy
believe it or not, there isn't a great deal of talent differential amongst the starters of any 32 NFL teams. It's all about parity. What separates a great team from a mediocre team is depth. Den has depth, Hou and Det do not. Regardless, the relative sucess can be spun in many directions and in the end, it is pointless. According to Shannahan, it looks like the final decision will not be made until after this weekends game. If MBell shows some burst and doesn't fumble, I think he will have the #1 position sewn up for at least the first 4 weeks. Basically, what I am seeing is that it's MBells job to loose. It's not guaranteed, but I'd rather be in his position than Cobbs.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Conspiracy theorist perhaps not. You're reaching to some pretty strange levels to connect these two. Let's throw any crap at the wall and say it "stinks". The only thing here that stinks is the "connection" you've pulled from your rear end. Show me SOMETHING that shows the two teams have talked, THEN I'll concede there's perhaps something more than a fantasy owners dream.Yeah, I'm the conspiracy theorist on these boards. Riiiiiiight.There's thread after thread after thread that proves otherwise.I posted this in the Titans RB rumors thread, and it's relevant here, so here it is again...
There's BS spin coming out of Denver. There's BS spin coming out of Tennessee. Something stinks.
Someone's moving.
My gut tells me Travis Henry's going to the Donkeys to start.
It's all speculation bro.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Point taken. You really seem to be reaching with your speculation, but hey, if you're going to speculate you might as well make it a doozy.Conspiracy theorist perhaps not. You're reaching to some pretty strange levels to connect these two. Let's throw any crap at the wall and say it "stinks". The only thing here that stinks is the "connection" you've pulled from your rear end. Show me SOMETHING that shows the two teams have talked, THEN I'll concede there's perhaps something more than a fantasy owners dream.Yeah, I'm the conspiracy theorist on these boards. Riiiiiiight.There's thread after thread after thread that proves otherwise.I posted this in the Titans RB rumors thread, and it's relevant here, so here it is again...
There's BS spin coming out of Denver. There's BS spin coming out of Tennessee. Something stinks.
Someone's moving.
My gut tells me Travis Henry's going to the Donkeys to start.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
I completely disagree with you regarding the talent level of all 32 NFL teams, but that's for a different thread.I agree that right now, Mike Bell has the upper hand. And I've already said that I expect him to begin the year as the starter even though I won't be shocked if he doesn't.What I DO think is that Cobbs will get a shot at some point this season, and I think he's a more talented RB than Mike Bell.believe it or not, there isn't a great deal of talent differential amongst the starters of any 32 NFL teams. It's all about parity. What separates a great team from a mediocre team is depth. Den has depth, Hou and Det do not. Regardless, the relative sucess can be spun in many directions and in the end, it is pointless. According to Shannahan, it looks like the final decision will not be made until after this weekends game. If MBell shows some burst and doesn't fumble, I think he will have the #1 position sewn up for at least the first 4 weeks. Basically, what I am seeing is that it's MBells job to loose. It's not guaranteed, but I'd rather be in his position than Cobbs.
moleculo
Footballguy
Cool. We're on the same page then. I agree - Cobbs will likely get a shot this year, whether it be from injury to either of the Bells or coming in fresh and making a key run. That's why I say Cobbs 2006 = Dayne 2005. Where we differ, however, is what happens if Cobbs is sucessful - willhe be awarded the starting gig? In my opinion, this only happens if MBell really struggles, which, frankly, I don't see happening.I completely disagree with you regarding the talent level of all 32 NFL teams, but that's for a different thread.I agree that right now, Mike Bell has the upper hand. And I've already said that I expect him to begin the year as the starter even though I won't be shocked if he doesn't.What I DO think is that Cobbs will get a shot at some point this season, and I think he's a more talented RB than Mike Bell.believe it or not, there isn't a great deal of talent differential amongst the starters of any 32 NFL teams. It's all about parity. What separates a great team from a mediocre team is depth. Den has depth, Hou and Det do not. Regardless, the relative sucess can be spun in many directions and in the end, it is pointless. According to Shannahan, it looks like the final decision will not be made until after this weekends game. If MBell shows some burst and doesn't fumble, I think he will have the #1 position sewn up for at least the first 4 weeks. Basically, what I am seeing is that it's MBells job to loose. It's not guaranteed, but I'd rather be in his position than Cobbs.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Oh, no.The only reason I'm not starting is because SSOG keeps bad-mouthing me.
Ned
Footballguy
mr originalThe only reason I'm not starting is because SSOG keeps bad-mouthing me.
T Bell
Footballguy
I was the first Bell on my team, guy.mr originalThe only reason I'm not starting is because SSOG keeps bad-mouthing me.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4257911
A sit-down game for nearly every starter and a survival game for players on the bubble to make the roster will provide a reason to show up in the heat of Arizona. The battle to become the starting tailback is on.
"This may be my biggest game," Bell said Tuesday. "This could be it for me. It's my chance."
Bell, who has fought to become the Broncos' primary back since he was drafted in the second round in 2004, will have a chance to stake his claim for the starting job along with previously anointed top back Mike Bell and preseason star Cedric Cobbs. Denver coach Mike Shanahan said Tuesday the competition for the job is close.
"We've got some fierce competition," Shanahan said.
It appears that Mike Bell - who went from an undrafted rookie to No. 1 on the depth chart in training camp Aug. 7 - still has the inside track as starter, but Tatum Bell and Cobbs are pushing.
For more clck the link...nice graph at the bottom of artical
A sit-down game for nearly every starter and a survival game for players on the bubble to make the roster will provide a reason to show up in the heat of Arizona. The battle to become the starting tailback is on.
"This may be my biggest game," Bell said Tuesday. "This could be it for me. It's my chance."
Bell, who has fought to become the Broncos' primary back since he was drafted in the second round in 2004, will have a chance to stake his claim for the starting job along with previously anointed top back Mike Bell and preseason star Cedric Cobbs. Denver coach Mike Shanahan said Tuesday the competition for the job is close.
"We've got some fierce competition," Shanahan said.
It appears that Mike Bell - who went from an undrafted rookie to No. 1 on the depth chart in training camp Aug. 7 - still has the inside track as starter, but Tatum Bell and Cobbs are pushing.
For more clck the link...nice graph at the bottom of artical
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Shanahan Quote:
"I'm not going to go through the playing time or the depth chart," he said. "We'll all find out when we open the season against the Rams who that starting running back will be. But there is some competition there, and hopefully we'll get a chance to evaluate them against Arizona, and obviously we'll all see when we play against the Rams who gets the starting nod."
Shanny has never understood that fantasy football and gambling is a critical element in the cloak of popularity that has enveloped the NFL for decades. He should stop biting the hand that feeds him.
"I'm not going to go through the playing time or the depth chart," he said. "We'll all find out when we open the season against the Rams who that starting running back will be. But there is some competition there, and hopefully we'll get a chance to evaluate them against Arizona, and obviously we'll all see when we play against the Rams who gets the starting nod."
Shanny has never understood that fantasy football and gambling is a critical element in the cloak of popularity that has enveloped the NFL for decades. He should stop biting the hand that feeds him.
That would be insane to change his ways because FF people want to know who to start. Shanny is there to win ballgames for the Broncos, not some fantasy team.Shanny has never understood that fantasy football and gambling is a critical element in the cloak of popularity that has enveloped the NFL for decades. He should stop biting the hand that feeds him.
redman
Footballguy
:whoosh:That would be insane to change his ways because FF people want to know who to start. Shanny is there to win ballgames for the Broncos, not some fantasy team.Shanny has never understood that fantasy football and gambling is a critical element in the cloak of popularity that has enveloped the NFL for decades. He should stop biting the hand that feeds him.
Gridiron King
Footballguy
The closer we get to the opening week the more I feel Cobbs will become the starting back sooner then later. Tatem might be traded before the season and Mike Bell will get alot of carries but won't be as effective as Cobbs when it is all said and done.
Shanahan Quote:"I'm not going to go through the playing time or the depth chart," he said. "We'll all find out when we open the season against the Rams who that starting running back will be. But there is some competition there, and hopefully we'll get a chance to evaluate them against Arizona, and obviously we'll all see when we play against the Rams who gets the starting nod."Shanny has never understood that fantasy football and gambling is a critical element in the cloak of popularity that has enveloped the NFL for decades. He should stop biting the hand that feeds him.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
I doubt very seriously if keeping his starting lineup from the other team and the rest of us has any kind of impact on the eventual outcome of the game. If it did, then he wouldn't have been Indy and NE's b**ch these past seasons. Skeletor needs to spend less energy on his Dean Wormer "Super Secret Probation" routine and worry more about the fact that his Broncos have played like little girls during crunch time. Whew - I feel better now.That would be insane to change his ways because FF people want to know who to start. Shanny is there to win ballgames for the Broncos, not some fantasy team.Shanny has never understood that fantasy football and gambling is a critical element in the cloak of popularity that has enveloped the NFL for decades. He should stop biting the hand that feeds him.
I think -- and I'm just throwing this out there - that he's joking.Just a thought.....That would be insane to change his ways because FF people want to know who to start. Shanny is there to win ballgames for the Broncos, not some fantasy team.Shanny has never understood that fantasy football and gambling is a critical element in the cloak of popularity that has enveloped the NFL for decades. He should stop biting the hand that feeds him.
(or maybe, given the next reply in the sequence he is.... )
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Pnishthm
Footballguy
It's DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION... NEVER misquote Animal HouseI doubt very seriously if keeping his starting lineup from the other team and the rest of us has any kind of impact on the eventual outcome of the game. If it did, then he wouldn't have been Indy and NE's b**ch these past seasons. Skeletor needs to spend less energy on his Dean Wormer "Super Secret Probation" routine and worry more about the fact that his Broncos have played like little girls during crunch time. Whew - I feel better now.That would be insane to change his ways because FF people want to know who to start. Shanny is there to win ballgames for the Broncos, not some fantasy team.Shanny has never understood that fantasy football and gambling is a critical element in the cloak of popularity that has enveloped the NFL for decades. He should stop biting the hand that feeds him.
T Bell
Footballguy
I don't care what they say about you, you know stuff.
Spartans346
Footballguy
Profootballtalk.com calls John Clayton..........Chicken Little.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Can I put this in my sig line? I love it!Shanahan Quote:
"I'm not going to go through the playing time or the depth chart," he said. "We'll all find out when we open the season against the Rams who that starting running back will be. But there is some competition there, and hopefully we'll get a chance to evaluate them against Arizona, and obviously we'll all see when we play against the Rams who gets the starting nod."
Shanny has never understood that fantasy football and gambling is a critical element in the cloak of popularity that has enveloped the NFL for decades. He should stop biting the hand that feeds him.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'm partial to "Zero point two... Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son", and of course the most famous line, "Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"It's DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION... NEVER misquote Animal HouseI doubt very seriously if keeping his starting lineup from the other team and the rest of us has any kind of impact on the eventual outcome of the game. If it did, then he wouldn't have been Indy and NE's b**ch these past seasons. Skeletor needs to spend less energy on his Dean Wormer "Super Secret Probation" routine and worry more about the fact that his Broncos have played like little girls during crunch time. Whew - I feel better now.That would be insane to change his ways because FF people want to know who to start. Shanny is there to win ballgames for the Broncos, not some fantasy team.Shanny has never understood that fantasy football and gambling is a critical element in the cloak of popularity that has enveloped the NFL for decades. He should stop biting the hand that feeds him.
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moleculo
Footballguy
Link to where Denver has ever been NE's b**ch? Just curious.
Yep! They look awful! Only 3rd in preseaon rushing yards per game 5th in avg per carry and 2nd in rushing TDs. Denvers in trouble with this running game.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
him on that one.Lets see Tatum has had over a year to win the job and has been out played by a 32 year RB and is currently being out played by a undrafted free agent. Some how I don't see that happening.
redman
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Perhaps I'm way off, but I just don't believe Mike Bell or Cedrick Cobbs have anywhere near the talent Tatum has. I've been wrong about the Denver running game before though.
I think alot of us have been way off trying to predict the Denver running game, and thats why I disagree with you when you say Cedric is a wasted wavier wire pick-up. I rather pass on Tatum and in the fourth round and take a shot on Cobbs with a wavier move. My two cents...Perhaps I'm way off, but I just don't believe Mike Bell or Cedrick Cobbs have anywhere near the talent Tatum has. I've been wrong about the Denver running game before though.
Strongly disagreed. Bell is an asset to the team, yes... but not as much of an asset as, say... a Clinton Portis.In my opinion, if you're not John Elway, Jay Cutler, Champ Bailey, or a stud Offensive Lineman (Lepsis/Nalen/Hamilton), you're tradeable. It's just a question of the price.
I agree that MBell and Cobbs don't have anywhere near the talent of a Tatum Bell. Of course, Terrell Davis was one of the least "talented" RBs in the NFL, too. Perhaps the slowest starting RB in the league. At some point, attitude, willingness, and mental ability (ability to pick up blitzes and diagnose holes in a hurry) outweigh god-given talent. Tatum might have the speed, but he's consistantly demonstrated that his head's not where it needs to be.Perhaps I'm way off, but I just don't believe Mike Bell or Cedrick Cobbs have anywhere near the talent Tatum has. I've been wrong about the Denver running game before though.
