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[Christo]

Don looking down at the end? Was Bert calling him a sell out? He realized at that moment he's divorced again and alone?

I'm going to out on a limb and say Don looked "down" because Bert died. I know it is complex but that's my theory.

Don greets Roger with 'Cooper still dead?' in his hallway, and after the dream he gets sentimental for a guy who had nothing to do with his career?

What dream?

I think it just finally hit him that Cooper really was gone. The news of Cooper's death came at a time when Don was being bombarded by a lot of other things...his marriage falling apart, being forced out, the moon landing.

And Copper had a lot to do with his career. Hell Don wouldn't have a career if it wasn't for Cooper. Remember when Campbell ratted out Don/**** to Cooper and Cooper basically just shrugged?

The last time they spoke alone Cooper told him to GTFO. I think Roger is the only one he meant something to. That can't be it.

Of course, every relationship is defined by the last interaction of the parties.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Don looking down at the end? Was Bert calling him a sell out? He realized at that moment he's divorced again and alone?

I'm going to out on a limb and say Don looked "down" because Bert died. I know it is complex but that's my theory.

Don greets Roger with 'Cooper still dead?' in his hallway, and after the dream he gets sentimental for a guy who had nothing to do with his career?

It's like some of you don't actually watch the show.

You new here?

 

[Rove!]

Stupid ending. If they pull some #### like that for the real finale, I'm gonna be pissed off.

only 19 left

http://www.amazon.com/According-to-Jim-Seasons-1-5/dp/B0063W4A9Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1401118867&sr=8-10&keywords=according+to+jim

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Could you guys be a little more defensive?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Could you guys be a little more defensive?

There's an episode of glee on somewhere for them.

 

[gump]

Don looking down at the end? Was Bert calling him a sell out? He realized at that moment he's divorced again and alone?

I'm going to out on a limb and say Don looked "down" because Bert died. I know it is complex but that's my theory.

Don greets Roger with 'Cooper still dead?' in his hallway, and after the dream he gets sentimental for a guy who had nothing to do with his career?

It's like some of you don't actually watch the show.

Watched it again this morning, and I think it's more clear now sober that Bert is warning Don about selling out for money...and while you can view Don's reaction a few ways, I also think its clear his mood changes as he's listening to Bert's lyrics about money not being everything.

 

[McGarnicle]

I liked the episode. It was one of the few times this season it felt like the same show that originally hooked me. I hope they keep it going strong through the finale.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Don looking down at the end? Was Bert calling him a sell out? He realized at that moment he's divorced again and alone?

I'm going to out on a limb and say Don looked "down" because Bert died. I know it is complex but that's my theory.

Don greets Roger with 'Cooper still dead?' in his hallway, and after the dream he gets sentimental for a guy who had nothing to do with his career?

It's like some of you don't actually watch the show.

Watched it again this morning, and I think it's more clear now sober that Bert is warning Don about selling out for money...and while you can view Don's reaction a few ways, I also think its clear his mood changes as he's listening to Bert's lyrics about money not being everything.

OK...how was Don selling out for money? Wasn't most of the episode about Don wanting to "work"? Did I miss him talking about money?

 

[Christo]

Don looking down at the end? Was Bert calling him a sell out? He realized at that moment he's divorced again and alone?

I'm going to out on a limb and say Don looked "down" because Bert died. I know it is complex but that's my theory.

Don greets Roger with 'Cooper still dead?' in his hallway, and after the dream he gets sentimental for a guy who had nothing to do with his career?

It's like some of you don't actually watch the show.

Watched it again this morning, and I think it's more clear now sober that Bert is warning Don about selling out for money...and while you can view Don's reaction a few ways, I also think its clear his mood changes as he's listening to Bert's lyrics about money not being everything.

OK...how was Don selling out for money? Wasn't most of the episode about Don wanting to "work"? Did I miss him talking about money?

His mindset was encapsulated in his pitch to Chaough.

 

[gump]

Don looking down at the end? Was Bert calling him a sell out? He realized at that moment he's divorced again and alone?

I'm going to out on a limb and say Don looked "down" because Bert died. I know it is complex but that's my theory.

Don greets Roger with 'Cooper still dead?' in his hallway, and after the dream he gets sentimental for a guy who had nothing to do with his career?

It's like some of you don't actually watch the show.

Watched it again this morning, and I think it's more clear now sober that Bert is warning Don about selling out for money...and while you can view Don's reaction a few ways, I also think its clear his mood changes as he's listening to Bert's lyrics about money not being everything.

OK...how was Don selling out for money? Wasn't most of the episode about Don wanting to "work"? Did I miss him talking about money?

Roger had to talk him into the deal with McCann...his first reaction was 'we started this agency to get away from them...I don't want to work for McCann...you know they won't leave us alone.' Rogers real pitch was that Don would be ok no matter what, but the rest wouldn't.He didn't sell out...agreed. But something about Bert's song hit him.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Don looking down at the end? Was Bert calling him a sell out? He realized at that moment he's divorced again and alone?

I'm going to out on a limb and say Don looked "down" because Bert died. I know it is complex but that's my theory.

Don greets Roger with 'Cooper still dead?' in his hallway, and after the dream he gets sentimental for a guy who had nothing to do with his career?

It's like some of you don't actually watch the show.

Watched it again this morning, and I think it's more clear now sober that Bert is warning Don about selling out for money...and while you can view Don's reaction a few ways, I also think its clear his mood changes as he's listening to Bert's lyrics about money not being everything.

OK...how was Don selling out for money? Wasn't most of the episode about Don wanting to "work"? Did I miss him talking about money?

Roger had to talk him into the deal with McCann...his first reaction was 'we started this agency to get away from them...I don't want to work for McCann...you know they won't leave us alone.' Rogers real pitch was that Don would be ok no matter what, but the rest wouldn't.

Roger had to talk him into it because Don doesn't want to work for a place like McCann. I think he even referred to McCann as a "sausage factory" once. Early in the series Hobart did everything (including offering him a crapton of money) but blow Don in order to steal him away from SC. And at the end of Season 3 Don let the plot to get away from McCann which lead to SCDP. You really think this was all about money to Don?

And what sold Don on the deal was that SCP would remain somewhat autonomous.

See what Cristo posted above.

 

[gump]

Don looking down at the end? Was Bert calling him a sell out? He realized at that moment he's divorced again and alone?

I'm going to out on a limb and say Don looked "down" because Bert died. I know it is complex but that's my theory.

Don greets Roger with 'Cooper still dead?' in his hallway, and after the dream he gets sentimental for a guy who had nothing to do with his career?

It's like some of you don't actually watch the show.

Watched it again this morning, and I think it's more clear now sober that Bert is warning Don about selling out for money...and while you can view Don's reaction a few ways, I also think its clear his mood changes as he's listening to Bert's lyrics about money not being everything.

OK...how was Don selling out for money? Wasn't most of the episode about Don wanting to "work"? Did I miss him talking about money?

Roger had to talk him into the deal with McCann...his first reaction was 'we started this agency to get away from them...I don't want to work for McCann...you know they won't leave us alone.' Rogers real pitch was that Don would be ok no matter what, but the rest wouldn't.

Roger had to talk him into it because Don doesn't want to work for a place like McCann. I think he even referred to McCann as a "sausage factory" once. Early in the series Hobart did everything (including offering him a crapton of money) but blow Don in order to steal him away from SC. And at the end of Season 3 Don let the plot to get away from McCann which lead to SCDP. You really think this was all about money to Don?

No i don't...see my edit above.

 

[Christo]

Don looking down at the end? Was Bert calling him a sell out? He realized at that moment he's divorced again and alone?

I'm going to out on a limb and say Don looked "down" because Bert died. I know it is complex but that's my theory.

Don greets Roger with 'Cooper still dead?' in his hallway, and after the dream he gets sentimental for a guy who had nothing to do with his career?

It's like some of you don't actually watch the show.

Watched it again this morning, and I think it's more clear now sober that Bert is warning Don about selling out for money...and while you can view Don's reaction a few ways, I also think its clear his mood changes as he's listening to Bert's lyrics about money not being everything.

OK...how was Don selling out for money? Wasn't most of the episode about Don wanting to "work"? Did I miss him talking about money?

Roger had to talk him into the deal with McCann...his first reaction was 'we started this agency to get away from them...I don't want to work for McCann...you know they won't leave us alone.' Rogers real pitch was that Don would be ok no matter what, but the rest wouldn't.

Roger had to talk him into it because Don doesn't want to work for a place like McCann. I think he even referred to McCann as a "sausage factory" once. Early in the series Hobart did everything (including offering him a crapton of money) but blow Don in order to steal him away from SC. And at the end of Season 3 Don let the plot to get away from McCann which lead to SCDP. You really think this was all about money to Don?

No i don't...see my edit above.

What hit Don was his realization that he was going to miss Bert. They were having a memorial upstairs and his initial reaction was to head back to work. As he was heading to work the loss hit him.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

What hit Don was his realization that he was going to miss Bert. They were having a memorial upstairs and his initial reaction was to head back to work. As he was heading to work the loss hit him.

IT HAS TOO BE MOAR THAN THAT!!!111! WATCH HIS FACE!

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Don looking down at the end? Was Bert calling him a sell out? He realized at that moment he's divorced again and alone?

I'm going to out on a limb and say Don looked "down" because Bert died. I know it is complex but that's my theory.

Don greets Roger with 'Cooper still dead?' in his hallway, and after the dream he gets sentimental for a guy who had nothing to do with his career?

It's like some of you don't actually watch the show.

Watched it again this morning, and I think it's more clear now sober that Bert is warning Don about selling out for money...and while you can view Don's reaction a few ways, I also think its clear his mood changes as he's listening to Bert's lyrics about money not being everything.

OK...how was Don selling out for money? Wasn't most of the episode about Don wanting to "work"? Did I miss him talking about money?

Roger had to talk him into the deal with McCann...his first reaction was 'we started this agency to get away from them...I don't want to work for McCann...you know they won't leave us alone.' Rogers real pitch was that Don would be ok no matter what, but the rest wouldn't.He didn't sell out...agreed. But something about Bert's song hit him.

Bert's song that was 100% made up and in his head. If it were a memory, I can get behind it. Maybe even if it was a dream or an LSD induced hallucination. Seeing a vision of him singing something random in the middle of the day? I don't get it and if it does indeed impact dons thinking, it's an odd and lazy tool.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Bert's song that was 100% made up and in his head. If it were a memory, I can get behind it. Maybe even if it was a dream or an LSD induced hallucination. Seeing a vision of him singing something random in the middle of the day? I don't get it and if it does indeed impact dons thinking, it's an odd and lazy tool.

You're a lazy tool.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Bert's song that was 100% made up and in his head. If it were a memory, I can get behind it. Maybe even if it was a dream or an LSD induced hallucination. Seeing a vision of him singing something random in the middle of the day? I don't get it and if it does indeed impact dons thinking, it's an odd and lazy tool.

You're a lazy tool.

I walked right into that one.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Don looking down at the end? Was Bert calling him a sell out? He realized at that moment he's divorced again and alone?

I'm going to out on a limb and say Don looked "down" because Bert died. I know it is complex but that's my theory.

Don greets Roger with 'Cooper still dead?' in his hallway, and after the dream he gets sentimental for a guy who had nothing to do with his career?

It's like some of you don't actually watch the show.

Watched it again this morning, and I think it's more clear now sober that Bert is warning Don about selling out for money...and while you can view Don's reaction a few ways, I also think its clear his mood changes as he's listening to Bert's lyrics about money not being everything.

OK...how was Don selling out for money? Wasn't most of the episode about Don wanting to "work"? Did I miss him talking about money?

Roger had to talk him into the deal with McCann...his first reaction was 'we started this agency to get away from them...I don't want to work for McCann...you know they won't leave us alone.' Rogers real pitch was that Don would be ok no matter what, but the rest wouldn't.He didn't sell out...agreed. But something about Bert's song hit him.

Bert's song that was 100% made up and in his head. If it were a memory, I can get behind it. Maybe even if it was a dream or an LSD induced hallucination. Seeing a vision of him singing something random in the middle of the day? I don't get it and if it does indeed impact dons thinking, it's an odd and lazy tool.

Don has "seen dead people" from the first season. His brother. Anna. Why is this time so jarring?

 

[Raider Nation]

Great thread.

 

[Raider Nation]

YOUR FACE IS A GREAT THREAD!!!!

 

[Premier]

Great episode but that ending was a little out of nowhere.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Don has "seen dead people" from the first season. His brother. Anna. Why is this time so jarring?

 

[Premier]

Don has "seen dead people" from the first season. His brother. Anna. Why is this time so jarring?

Well Anna was just kind of standing there (floating there)....Bert did a full Broadway number.

I liked it though. Definitely was a surprise to see.

 

[Ilov80s]

Great episode but that ending was a little out of nowhere.

I saw it coming once Don knew he had saved his job.

 

[Premier]

I think I remember a reference to it, but why had Harry Crane not signed his papers yet? Why was he putzing around with it?

 

[Raider Nation]

Sideburns McCheckercoat has no business acumen.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I think I remember a reference to it, but why had Harry Crane not signed his papers yet? Why was he putzing around with it?

He's a dope. Don told him not to negotiate and take the deal earlier.

 

[Abraham]

I think I remember a reference to it, but why had Harry Crane not signed his papers yet? Why was he putzing around with it?

He was wondering if he should negotiate and was trying to decide what to do about his wife (who was going to divorce him until she found out about the partnership).

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

What Matt Weiner says about the final scene.... (skip to 5:00)

This fantasy is in his (Don's) mind, its a message from his subconscious that in the wake of all this, they've actually lost somebody very important to them.

Cooper's loss is really about life itself, it's not about money or anything like that. What is the real value of success? You still have your life on the other side of it.

TA-DA!

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

There are some real nerds out there....

Payouts per some random dude

Payouts per Vulture.com

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Related "She was born in 1898 in a barn. She died on the thirty-seventh floor of a skyscraper. She’s an astronaut."https://flic.kr/p/8CNPxx

 

[Tibetan Sherpa]

Stupid ending. If they pull some #### like that for the real finale, I'm gonna be pissed off.

only 19 left

http://www.amazon.com/According-to-Jim-Seasons-1-5/dp/B0063W4A9Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1401118867&sr=8-10&keywords=according+to+jim

Mad Men has always been about subtlety and nuance. Matt Weiner and the writers rarely beat the viewers over the head with themes and motives. The stupid song and dance was a lazy and cheap way out for them. It was so out of character for the show. Again, if they pull some cheap gag like that to end the series, it will suck ###.

 

[Franknbeans]

Great episode but that ending was a little out of nowhere.

You're a little out of nowhere.

This is fun

 

[badmojo1006]

Stupid ending. If they pull some #### like that for the real finale, I'm gonna be pissed off.

only 19 left

http://www.amazon.com/According-to-Jim-Seasons-1-5/dp/B0063W4A9Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1401118867&sr=8-10&keywords=according+to+jim

Mad Men has always been about subtlety and nuance. Matt Weiner and the writers rarely beat the viewers over the head with themes and motives. The stupid song and dance was a lazy and cheap way out for them. It was so out of character for the show. Again, if they pull some cheap gag like that to end the series, it will suck ###.

Yeah, a guy getting his foot run over by a lawn mover is subtle

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Stupid ending. If they pull some #### like that for the real finale, I'm gonna be pissed off.

only 19 left

http://www.amazon.com/According-to-Jim-Seasons-1-5/dp/B0063W4A9Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1401118867&sr=8-10&keywords=according+to+jim

Mad Men has always been about subtlety and nuance. Matt Weiner and the writers rarely beat the viewers over the head with themes and motives. The stupid song and dance was a lazy and cheap way out for them. It was so out of character for the show. Again, if they pull some cheap gag like that to end the series, it will suck ###.

Your face is a cheap gag.

 

[Tibetan Sherpa]

Stupid ending. If they pull some #### like that for the real finale, I'm gonna be pissed off.

only 19 left

http://www.amazon.com/According-to-Jim-Seasons-1-5/dp/B0063W4A9Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1401118867&sr=8-10&keywords=according+to+jim

Mad Men has always been about subtlety and nuance. Matt Weiner and the writers rarely beat the viewers over the head with themes and motives. The stupid song and dance was a lazy and cheap way out for them. It was so out of character for the show. Again, if they pull some cheap gag like that to end the series, it will suck ###.

Sure it is....the name of that episode is "Guy walks into an advertising agency". The person who got his foot cut off was named "Guy".....he walked in, but didn't walk out. Just because it is shocking, doesn't mean it isnt subtle.

 

[Tiger Fan]

I thought it was a great episode but didnt understand the Sally parts and certainly did not get the Bert part at the end.

I hope this is a view into the descent of madness of Don

it looked like she was turning into Betty when the young stud appeared. wearing make up, parroting his opinion. but she ends up picking the geek instead, something Betty wouldn't have done.

I took it as Sally picking the guy least like Don, but I guess there's probably some of both in there

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I thought it was a great episode but didnt understand the Sally parts and certainly did not get the Bert part at the end.

I hope this is a view into the descent of madness of Don

it looked like she was turning into Betty when the young stud appeared. wearing make up, parroting his opinion. but she ends up picking the geek instead, something Betty wouldn't have done.

I took it as Sally picking the guy least like Don, but I guess there's probably some of both in there

She gets off the phone with Don, who admonishes her against being cynical. She then encounters the younger brother who shows her a moment of genuine, unaffected wonder. She's taking her father's advice to heart, even if only momentarily (as shown by the fact that she adopts Betty's cigarette smoking pose immediately after). Sally's adult identity is still being formed.

 

[roarlions]

I thought it was a great episode but didnt understand the Sally parts and certainly did not get the Bert part at the end.

I hope this is a view into the descent of madness of Don

it looked like she was turning into Betty when the young stud appeared. wearing make up, parroting his opinion. but she ends up picking the geek instead, something Betty wouldn't have done.

I took it as Sally picking the guy least like Don, but I guess there's probably some of both in there

She gets off the phone with Don, who admonishes her against being cynical. She then encounters the younger brother who shows her a moment of genuine, unaffected wonder. She's taking her father's advice to heart, even if only momentarily (as shown by the fact that she adopts Betty's cigarette smoking pose immediately after). Sally's adult identity is still being formed.

Sally is almost as much a chameleon as her father at this point. Will be interesting to see if we find out what her adult identity will be before the series ends.

 

[badmojo1006]

Stupid ending. If they pull some #### like that for the real finale, I'm gonna be pissed off.

only 19 left

http://www.amazon.com/According-to-Jim-Seasons-1-5/dp/B0063W4A9Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1401118867&sr=8-10&keywords=according+to+jim

Mad Men has always been about subtlety and nuance. Matt Weiner and the writers rarely beat the viewers over the head with themes and motives. The stupid song and dance was a lazy and cheap way out for them. It was so out of character for the show. Again, if they pull some cheap gag like that to end the series, it will suck ###.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

More (and Morse) on the dance number...

 

[gump]

What Matt Weiner says about the final scene.... (skip to 5:00)

This fantasy is in his (Don's) mind, its a message from his subconscious that in the wake of all this, they've actually lost somebody very important to them.

Cooper's loss is really about life itself, it's not about money or anything like that. What is the real value of success? You still have your life on the other side of it.

TA-DA!

Ok, ok...I will sort of admit you convinced me you were right.

I don't think Don is ok overnight with working for McCann still, but Berts song about Life is Bigger than Business fits with sacrificing for his co-partners.

 

[17seconds]

Joan loves her some money

 

[avoiding injuries]

Joan loves her some money

Yeah, and I no longer like Joan.

 

[Premier]

Variety has a Weiner interview and some other stuff on the show. Can't link it because their mobile site sux.

 

[17seconds]

Joan loves her some money

Yeah, and I no longer like Joan.

Only person in that room who was thinking only about money. As soon as she heard the figure she went all goo-goo eyed. Doesn't care about her role, doesn't care who runs what. Just

 

[avoiding injuries]

Joan loves her some money

Yeah, and I no longer like Joan.

Only person in that room who was thinking only about money. As soon as she heard the figure she went all goo-goo eyed. Doesn't care about her role, doesn't care who runs what. Just

The guy who may have been the biggest reason for the companies success and the one person who was against her whoring herself out, she turns on because he cost her money.

 

[roarlions]

Variety has a Weiner interview and some other stuff on the show. Can't link it because their mobile site sux.

http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/mad-men-creator-matthew-weiner-im-dealing-with-loss-more-than-responsibility-right-now-1201150598/

I think this discussion from the interview may explain the purpose of the song and dance routine at the end of the last episode, setting up the theme for the last 7 episodes next year:

As the brainstorming process proceeded in the writers room, the two sets of episodes organically broke down along distinct thematic lines. “The first seven are about the material world — ambition and the things we can control,” Weiner says. “Don has had almost everything taken away from him: his position, his status, his confidence” after getting fired at the end of season six from the merged agency he had instigated. “Watching (that) was hard for a lot of people. We’ve seen him go from a hungry and insecure person to someone who’s got growing children, a second marriage, and he’s on this third company.

“Then in the second half, we’re dealing with the immaterial. What happens to these people when (their) material needs are met. What else is on their mind? Love? God? I don’t want people to be afraid, and think it’s going to be a big dream sequence. But it is looking at the outside and the inside of these people.”

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't watch this show, but my wife does. She was telling me about the Burger Chef account they were talking about on the show and the landing on the moon that was being shown during this show I guess and said in 1969 she was sitting in Burger Chef watching the moon landing in Columbus, Ohio. I suppose she thought that was strange.

 

[chet]

Joan loves her some money

Yeah, and I no longer like Joan.

Very c#nty.