Man of Steel (1 Viewer)

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The Transformers movies have been uniformly awful, even by mindless summer movie blockbuster standards

"WHY WASTE SPLEEN on Michael Bay? He’s a real visionary—perhaps mindless in some ways (he’s never bothered filming a good script), but Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is more proof he has a great eye for scale and a gift for visceral amazement."

I suggest reading the rest of this article http://nypress.com/bad-boys-and-toys-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen/ and educating yourself before making another silly statement

"Great eye for scale" sounds like the best backhanded compliment for a director I've ever heard

And the only "visceral amazement" I took from those movies was how poorly done they were

I read only the first part of that review. Couldn't tell if he was being sarcastic or not.

It's Armond White...it's what he does

He's like The Onion of film review

http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2013/03/armond-white-room-237-calls-everyone-nerds

i love how people think "oh he likes movies i dislike and hates movies i like he is the onion of film review"

"Man of Steel is the first superhero movie to be directed by a real filmmaker since Tim Burton took on Batman in 1989."

 

[Northern Voice]

I'm really beginning to wonder if I saw the same movie everyone else saw. The one I saw had Amy Adams looking good, cool visual effects, fun entertaining scenes and great performances by Russel Crowe and Kevin Costner all mixed in a reboot of a classic character using modern special effects. You know, fun.

IS there like an underground version of this thing that is getting released in some theaters?

Note that there's not a single mention of the actual story when listing the film's strong points.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I'm really beginning to wonder if I saw the same movie everyone else saw. The one I saw had Amy Adams looking good, cool visual effects, fun entertaining scenes and great performances by Russel Crowe and Kevin Costner all mixed in a reboot of a classic character using modern special effects. You know, fun.

IS there like an underground version of this thing that is getting released in some theaters?

Note that there's not a single mention of the actual story when listing the film's strong points.

Note, I was kinda using the "reboot of a classic character" language as that. I was good with the story.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Some people make fun of Armand White because he's a contrarian. That is true. But more people pick on him because he's an awful writer who peppers his reviews with every superfluous adjective he can think of and who never even tries to explain, much less support, his opinion.

If I were to write a review that said "the puerile and fatuous Man of Steel possesses none of the maturity and moral sophistication of Joss Whedon's Avengers" that would be bad writing standing alone. Because I haven't explained in any way why the Avengers is mature and Man of Steel isn't. White does that ALL THE TIME.

To be fair, most film critics are pretty lousy. But he's particularly awful.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Some people make fun of Armand White because he's a contrarian. That is true. But more people pick on him because he's an awful writer who peppers his reviews with every superfluous adjective he can think of and who never even tries to explain, much less support, his opinion.

To be fair, most film critics are pretty lousy. But he's particularly awful.

White is a joke. White goes out of his way to say that Roger Ebert isn't a real film critic. White makes a point of comparing trash like Transformers to Inception and claims Transformers is a better movie.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Some people make fun of Armand White because he's a contrarian. That is true. But more people pick on him because he's an awful writer who peppers his reviews with every superfluous adjective he can think of and who never even tries to explain, much less support, his opinion.

To be fair, most film critics are pretty lousy. But he's particularly awful.

White is a joke. White goes out of his way to say that Roger Ebert isn't a real film critic. White makes a point of comparing trash like Transformers to Inception and claims Transformers is a better movie.

Again, I don't think it's a sin to hold unfashionable opinions.

My favorite comic book movie is possibly Popeye, which is every bit as unfashionable as Transformers. And my own opinions about Ebert is that I think he did a better job than many in the time and space constraints in which he worked, but that he is also largely responsible for turning "film critics" into "film reviewers." I think it's tough to write intelligently about anything worthwhile in 500 words. And film criticism was definitely a more serious art form 40 years ago when people like Bazin were taken seriously.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Some people make fun of Armand White because he's a contrarian. That is true. But more people pick on him because he's an awful writer who peppers his reviews with every superfluous adjective he can think of and who never even tries to explain, much less support, his opinion.

To be fair, most film critics are pretty lousy. But he's particularly awful.

White is a joke. White goes out of his way to say that Roger Ebert isn't a real film critic. White makes a point of comparing trash like Transformers to Inception and claims Transformers is a better movie.

Again, I don't think it's a sin to hold unfashionable opinions.

My favorite comic book movie is possibly Popeye, which is every bit as unfashionable as Transformers. And my own opinions about Ebert is that I think he did a better job than many in the time and space constraints in which he worked, but that he is also largely responsible for turning "film critics" into "film reviewers." I think it's tough to write intelligently about anything worthwhile in 500 words. And film criticism was definitely a more serious art form 40 years ago when people like Bazin were taken seriously.

Have you ever seen Sister Wendy on PBS? She's this old nun that is also an art critic. She's very good. The art critic world railed against her, claiming that she isn't a real critic. I am really annoyed when someone like White tells us who is qualified to write criticism. I mean, let's take White's comments at face value. So he's a real critic and Ebert is not. White still has opinions that are ridiculous. In the end, I don't care if White has a Ph.D in film because I think he's a tool.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Some people make fun of Armand White because he's a contrarian. That is true. But more people pick on him because he's an awful writer who peppers his reviews with every superfluous adjective he can think of and who never even tries to explain, much less support, his opinion.

To be fair, most film critics are pretty lousy. But he's particularly awful.

White is a joke. White goes out of his way to say that Roger Ebert isn't a real film critic. White makes a point of comparing trash like Transformers to Inception and claims Transformers is a better movie.

Again, I don't think it's a sin to hold unfashionable opinions.

My favorite comic book movie is possibly Popeye, which is every bit as unfashionable as Transformers. And my own opinions about Ebert is that I think he did a better job than many in the time and space constraints in which he worked, but that he is also largely responsible for turning "film critics" into "film reviewers." I think it's tough to write intelligently about anything worthwhile in 500 words. And film criticism was definitely a more serious art form 40 years ago when people like Bazin were taken seriously.

Have you ever seen Sister Wendy on PBS? She's this old nun that is also an art critic. She's very good. The art critic world railed against her, claiming that she isn't a real critic. I am really annoyed when someone like White tells us who is qualified to write criticism. I mean, let's take White's comments at face value. So he's a real critic and Ebert is not. White still has opinions that are ridiculous. In the end, I don't care if White has a Ph.D in film because I think he's a tool.

I just think the proof is in the pudding. The test of a good critic is the ability to make me think provocatively about the film. Whether I ultimately agree with the critic's judgment isn't very important to me. I don't think White is a crappy critic because he likes Transformers. I think he's a crappy critic because he can't convincingly explain why he likes Transformers.

I don't think it's about credentials. It's about what you're able to say. That's why I differentiate between film criticism and film reviews. Let's assume that White wrote just as atrociously, but that somehow his taste and mine were largely the same. If White likes a movie, I generally would like it and if he hates it I would generally hate it. As a film reviewer, he'd be perfectly adequate for me. But he wouldn't be a better critic, because he isn't saying anything more interesting or true about the films. I don't care whether a critic likes a movie or not. That tells me almost nothing. I'm old enough to generally guess whether I'll like a movie or not. And to know that my own preferences and biases may lead me to dislike some "good" movies. The bigger sin is to misrepresent what the movie is trying to do.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Some people make fun of Armand White because he's a contrarian. That is true. But more people pick on him because he's an awful writer who peppers his reviews with every superfluous adjective he can think of and who never even tries to explain, much less support, his opinion.

To be fair, most film critics are pretty lousy. But he's particularly awful.

White is a joke. White goes out of his way to say that Roger Ebert isn't a real film critic. White makes a point of comparing trash like Transformers to Inception and claims Transformers is a better movie.

Again, I don't think it's a sin to hold unfashionable opinions.

My favorite comic book movie is possibly Popeye, which is every bit as unfashionable as Transformers. And my own opinions about Ebert is that I think he did a better job than many in the time and space constraints in which he worked, but that he is also largely responsible for turning "film critics" into "film reviewers." I think it's tough to write intelligently about anything worthwhile in 500 words. And film criticism was definitely a more serious art form 40 years ago when people like Bazin were taken seriously.

Have you ever seen Sister Wendy on PBS? She's this old nun that is also an art critic. She's very good. The art critic world railed against her, claiming that she isn't a real critic. I am really annoyed when someone like White tells us who is qualified to write criticism. I mean, let's take White's comments at face value. So he's a real critic and Ebert is not. White still has opinions that are ridiculous. In the end, I don't care if White has a Ph.D in film because I think he's a tool.

I just think the proof is in the pudding. The test of a good critic is the ability to make me think provocatively about the film. Whether I ultimately agree with the critic's judgment isn't very important to me. I don't think White is a crappy critic because he likes Transformers. I think he's a crappy critic because he can't convincingly explain why he likes Transformers.

I don't think it's about credentials. It's about what you're able to say. That's why I differentiate between film criticism and film reviews. Let's assume that White wrote just as atrociously, but that somehow his taste and mine were largely the same. If White likes a movie, I generally would like it and if he hates it I would generally hate it. As a film reviewer, he'd be perfectly adequate for me. But he wouldn't be a better critic, because he isn't saying anything more interesting or true about the films. I don't care whether a critic likes a movie or not. That tells me almost nothing. I'm old enough to generally guess whether I'll like a movie or not. And to know that my own preferences and biases may lead me to dislike some "good" movies. The bigger sin is to misrepresent what the movie is trying to do.

Well said.

Mick LaSalle is a critic for the San Francisco Chronicle. I often disagree with his reviews, but he's an excellent writer and his work is very thought-provoking. I think the difference between LaSalle and White is I hear too much of White when I read his reviews. We are all informed by our own bias. But White seems forever tainted by a lot of baggage, and it is pervasive in his criticism.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If you didn't enjoy this movie I'm going to suggest that you leave your cynicism at the door next time and bleach your black heart and soul.

This movie was awesome. Story was just fine. I liked the Iron Man-ish slant of "you are who you choose to be not who you were made to be".

And there's no doubt that this is the most visually astonishing movie that has ever been made. The detail in the fight scenes is amazing. If it doesn't win Best Visual Effects then shut it down.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

If you didn't enjoy this movie I'm going to suggest that you leave your cynicism at the door next time and bleach your black heart and soul.

Interesting

 

[flapgreen]

Will not see

 

[flapgreen]

There's at least 3 more films filled with fight scenes coming in 2014 too. Godzilla, Transformers 4, and All you need is Kill. The last one is with Tom Cruise and the premise is he is caught in a loop where he fights a big battle and dies over and over and over.

:X

 

[jdoggydogg]

If you didn't enjoy this movie I'm going to suggest that you leave your cynicism at the door next time and bleach your black heart and soul.

This movie was awesome. Story was just fine. I liked the Iron Man-ish slant of "you are who you choose to be not who you were made to be".

And there's no doubt that this is the most visually astonishing movie that has ever been made. The detail in the fight scenes is amazing. If it doesn't win Best Visual Effects then shut it down.

The script was bad. Otherwise, it was good.

 

[offdee]

Helicopter goes into a tailspin, crashes on its side and one military guy inside just walks away from that without a scratch on his body?

 

[Ignoramus]

Helicopter goes into a tailspin, crashes on its side and one military guy inside just walks away from that without a scratch on his body?

BLACK SOUL!!!

 

[3C's]

Helicopter goes into a tailspin, crashes on its side and one military guy inside just walks away from that without a scratch on his body?

Deleted scene. Superman saved him and ran back to what he was doing.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I generally liked it, but agree with the issues from that earlier timeline review. I just thought he became superman too fast and his loner journey was off or something. Fight scenes dragged a bit and I didn't think you could snap a kryptonian's neck. Also, coup on krypton was odd. Send them to phantom zone (which was just a ship in orbit?) and then the same day the planet blows up and frees them?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Helicopter goes into a tailspin, crashes on its side and one military guy inside just walks away from that without a scratch on his body?

BLACK SOUL!!!

 

[offdee]

Helicopter goes into a tailspin, crashes on its side and one military guy inside just walks away from that without a scratch on his body?

Deleted scene. Superman saved him and ran back to what he was doing.

Wha? It was in the movie I saw. No superman saving. The pilot was a lifeless body...this guy just unhooked his seat belt and walked out.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

If you didn't enjoy this movie I'm going to suggest that you leave your cynicism at the door next time and bleach your black heart and soul.

This movie was awesome. Story was just fine. I liked the Iron Man-ish slant of "you are who you choose to be not who you were made to be".

And there's no doubt that this is the most visually astonishing movie that has ever been made. The detail in the fight scenes is amazing. If it doesn't win Best Visual Effects then shut it down.

Really? I wasn't impressed. I thought the CGI looked really cartoonish and detracted from the action. In fact i liked nearly everything else about the movie more than the effects.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If you didn't enjoy this movie I'm going to suggest that you leave your cynicism at the door next time and bleach your black heart and soul.

This movie was awesome. Story was just fine. I liked the Iron Man-ish slant of "you are who you choose to be not who you were made to be".

And there's no doubt that this is the most visually astonishing movie that has ever been made. The detail in the fight scenes is amazing. If it doesn't win Best Visual Effects then shut it down.

Really? I wasn't impressed. I thought the CGI looked really cartoonish and detracted from the action. In fact i liked nearly everything else about the movie more than the effects.

Moreso than anything else that you could compare it to?

It's one thing to have robots fighting each other and to make it realistic (all CGI looks somewhat cartoonish) but to do it with flesh and blood is another. I thought this came the closest to looking real that CGI humans have ever come.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Saw this tonight and it was almost too much action. Storywise it was weak and the bad guys weren't my cup of tea. Better than WWZ but not as good as the Batman movies.

 

[Socrates11]

I'm really beginning to wonder if I saw the same movie everyone else saw. The one I saw had Amy Adams looking good, cool visual effects, fun entertaining scenes and great performances by Russel Crowe and Kevin Costner all mixed in a reboot of a classic character using modern special effects. You know, fun.

IS there like an underground version of this thing that is getting released in some theaters?

 

[FattyVM]

That last fight scene could have been chopped into a third and it would have been better. How many buildings could they throw each other through anyway? It was pretty boring after awhile. Loved Costner and Crowe in their roles (ed. for spelling), as well as Fishbourne even if he was superfluous.

 

[flapgreen]

Sounds horrible.

 

[Billy Bats]

If you didn't enjoy this movie I'm going to suggest that you leave your cynicism at the door next time and bleach your black heart and soul.

Interesting

Andy thought Pulp Fiction sucked. Seen it last night, I was bored.

And Diane Lane looked terrible. But love me some Adams.

So Jor-El was suprised that Cal became even stronger than he imagined. But he had a tailored suit with red cape cape ready and waiting?

How did the Kryptonian chick get super powers like flight without breathing earths air? She had her helmet on then started flying around like Supe.

I was trying to think back to when he was Supe and who seen him, but NO ONE from the Planet recognized him when he went to work there?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If you didn't enjoy this movie I'm going to suggest that you leave your cynicism at the door next time and bleach your black heart and soul.

Interesting

Andy thought Pulp Fiction sucked.Seen it last night, I was bored.

And Diane Lane looked terrible. But love me some Adams.

So Jor-El was suprised that Cal became even stronger than he imagined. But he had a tailored suit with red cape cape ready and waiting?

How did the Kryptonian chick get super powers like flight without breathing earths air? She had her helmet on then started flying around like Supe.

I was trying to think back to when he was Supe and who seen him, but NO ONE from the Planet recognized him when he went to work there?

Pulp Fiction...the love is based on how cool it is that the characters talk.

Lane was in makeup.

You're worried about Superman's wardrobe? Just because

It wasn't a helmet, it was a visor. She got her powers the same way Superman did, from the sun.

The implication at the end is that Lois does recognize him.

 

[Billy Bats]

Andy thought Pulp Fiction sucked.Seen it last night, I was bored.

And Diane Lane looked terrible. But love me some Adams.

So Jor-El was suprised that Cal became even stronger than he imagined. But he had a tailored suit with red cape cape ready and waiting?

How did the Kryptonian chick get super powers like flight without breathing earths air? She had her helmet on then started flying around like Supe.

I was trying to think back to when he was Supe and who seen him, but NO ONE from the Planet recognized him when he went to work there?

Pulp Fiction...the love is based on how cool it is that the characters talk.

Lane was in makeup. I know, she still looked terrible and that makes me sad. She even looked bad as the young mom too.

You're worried about Superman's wardrobe? Just because. No, just thought it odd that he made a suit with a cape when he wasn't sure how powerful he would become. No Kryptonian had the power of flight, found it odd he knew in advance Cal would fly.

It wasn't a helmet, it was a visor. She got her powers the same way Superman did, from the sun. Oh ok, I misunderstood. Thought the super powers came from breathing in the earth's oxygen. But wasn't the "visor" the same thing Adams wore in the Krypton ship so she could breath/survive?

The implication at the end is that Lois does recognize him. Should've specified, I got that part, was referring more to the other employees that were out there watching Supe do his thing. (fishbourne, the creepy guy and chick)

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Andy thought Pulp Fiction sucked.Seen it last night, I was bored.

And Diane Lane looked terrible. But love me some Adams.

So Jor-El was suprised that Cal became even stronger than he imagined. But he had a tailored suit with red cape cape ready and waiting?

How did the Kryptonian chick get super powers like flight without breathing earths air? She had her helmet on then started flying around like Supe.

I was trying to think back to when he was Supe and who seen him, but NO ONE from the Planet recognized him when he went to work there?

Pulp Fiction...the love is based on how cool it is that the characters talk.

Lane was in makeup. I know, she still looked terrible and that makes me sad. She even looked bad as the young mom too.

You're worried about Superman's wardrobe? Just because. No, just thought it odd that he made a suit with a cape when he wasn't sure how powerful he would become. No Kryptonian had the power of flight, found it odd he knew in advance Cal could fly.

It wasn't a helmet, it was a visor. She got her powers the same way Superman did, from the sun. Oh ok, I misunderstood. Thought the super powers came from breathing in the earth's oxygen. But wasn't the "visor" the same thing Adams wore in the Krypton ship so she could breath?

The implication at the end is that Lois does recognize him. Should've specified, I got that part, was referring more to the other employees that were out there watching Supe do his thing. (fishbourne, the creepy guy and chick)

Also, consider the suit was on a ship that had been on earth thousands of years prior to Jor El being born, let alone Kal El being on earth.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Also, consider the suit was on a ship that had been on earth thousands of years prior to Jor El being born, let alone Kal El being on earth.

I don't think so. I think it was created for him after he got on the ship.

 

[Billy Bats]

Andy thought Pulp Fiction sucked.Seen it last night, I was bored.

And Diane Lane looked terrible. But love me some Adams.

So Jor-El was suprised that Cal became even stronger than he imagined. But he had a tailored suit with red cape cape ready and waiting?

How did the Kryptonian chick get super powers like flight without breathing earths air? She had her helmet on then started flying around like Supe.

I was trying to think back to when he was Supe and who seen him, but NO ONE from the Planet recognized him when he went to work there?

Pulp Fiction...the love is based on how cool it is that the characters talk.

Lane was in makeup. I know, she still looked terrible and that makes me sad. She even looked bad as the young mom too.

You're worried about Superman's wardrobe? Just because. No, just thought it odd that he made a suit with a cape when he wasn't sure how powerful he would become. No Kryptonian had the power of flight, found it odd he knew in advance Cal could fly.

It wasn't a helmet, it was a visor. She got her powers the same way Superman did, from the sun. Oh ok, I misunderstood. Thought the super powers came from breathing in the earth's oxygen. But wasn't the "visor" the same thing Adams wore in the Krypton ship so she could breath?

The implication at the end is that Lois does recognize him. Should've specified, I got that part, was referring more to the other employees that were out there watching Supe do his thing. (fishbourne, the creepy guy and chick)

Also, consider the suit was on a ship that had been on earth thousands of years prior to Jor El being born, let alone Kal El being on earth.

Oh yea, that slipped my mind. I guess Kryptonian ghosts can do some pretty awesome ####?

And agree with the whole banishing Zod, then the planet explodes and they're free. Shook my head at that one too. I giggled a couple times last night at the unintentional comedy. The kid liked it so that's all that matters.

 

[Socrates11]

Also, consider the suit was on a ship that had been on earth thousands of years prior to Jor El being born, let alone Kal El being on earth.

I don't think so. I think it was created for him after he got on the ship.

That's my thought as well. Also the cape wasn't thrown in because of his powers/the ability to fly. Capes were part of Kryptonian fashion. I recall Zod having one at one point.

 

[Socrates11]

Andy thought Pulp Fiction sucked.Seen it last night, I was bored.

And Diane Lane looked terrible. But love me some Adams.

So Jor-El was suprised that Cal became even stronger than he imagined. But he had a tailored suit with red cape cape ready and waiting?

How did the Kryptonian chick get super powers like flight without breathing earths air? She had her helmet on then started flying around like Supe.

I was trying to think back to when he was Supe and who seen him, but NO ONE from the Planet recognized him when he went to work there?

Pulp Fiction...the love is based on how cool it is that the characters talk.

Lane was in makeup. I know, she still looked terrible and that makes me sad. She even looked bad as the young mom too.

You're worried about Superman's wardrobe? Just because. No, just thought it odd that he made a suit with a cape when he wasn't sure how powerful he would become. No Kryptonian had the power of flight, found it odd he knew in advance Cal could fly.

It wasn't a helmet, it was a visor. She got her powers the same way Superman did, from the sun. Oh ok, I misunderstood. Thought the super powers came from breathing in the earth's oxygen. But wasn't the "visor" the same thing Adams wore in the Krypton ship so she could breath?

The implication at the end is that Lois does recognize him. Should've specified, I got that part, was referring more to the other employees that were out there watching Supe do his thing. (fishbourne, the creepy guy and chick)

Also, consider the suit was on a ship that had been on earth thousands of years prior to Jor El being born, let alone Kal El being on earth.

Oh yea, that slipped my mind. I guess Kryptonian ghosts can do some pretty awesome ####?

And agree with the whole banishing Zod, then the planet explodes and they're free. Shook my head at that one too. I giggled a couple times last night at the unintentional comedy. The kid liked it so that's all that matters.

Yea that was silly. Space travel is banned because it takes up too much resources, but when you put criminals in suspended animation you shoot them off into space? Why not just throw them into some holding area?

And did they ever explain why all the colonies just suddenly failed and all the people inhabiting them just died? Everywhere Zod and his merry band go they find corpses just laying out in the open. And if Krypton is so starved of natural resources that they undertake the huge risk of mining their core, why did they not start mining all those other planets?

Plot holes aside, I still enjoyed the hell out of the movie.

 

[The Dude]

Andy thought Pulp Fiction sucked.Seen it last night, I was bored.

And Diane Lane looked terrible. But love me some Adams.

So Jor-El was suprised that Cal became even stronger than he imagined. But he had a tailored suit with red cape cape ready and waiting?

How did the Kryptonian chick get super powers like flight without breathing earths air? She had her helmet on then started flying around like Supe.

I was trying to think back to when he was Supe and who seen him, but NO ONE from the Planet recognized him when he went to work there?

Pulp Fiction...the love is based on how cool it is that the characters talk.

Lane was in makeup. I know, she still looked terrible and that makes me sad. She even looked bad as the young mom too.

You're worried about Superman's wardrobe? Just because. No, just thought it odd that he made a suit with a cape when he wasn't sure how powerful he would become. No Kryptonian had the power of flight, found it odd he knew in advance Cal could fly.

It wasn't a helmet, it was a visor. She got her powers the same way Superman did, from the sun. Oh ok, I misunderstood. Thought the super powers came from breathing in the earth's oxygen. But wasn't the "visor" the same thing Adams wore in the Krypton ship so she could breath?

The implication at the end is that Lois does recognize him. Should've specified, I got that part, was referring more to the other employees that were out there watching Supe do his thing. (fishbourne, the creepy guy and chick)

Also, consider the suit was on a ship that had been on earth thousands of years prior to Jor El being born, let alone Kal El being on earth.

Oh yea, that slipped my mind. I guess Kryptonian ghosts can do some pretty awesome ####?

And agree with the whole banishing Zod, then the planet explodes and they're free. Shook my head at that one too. I giggled a couple times last night at the unintentional comedy. The kid liked it so that's all that matters.

Yea that was silly. Space travel is banned because it takes up too much resources, but when you put criminals in suspended animation you shoot them off into space? Why not just throw them into some holding area?

And did they ever explain why all the colonies just suddenly failed and all the people inhabiting them just died? Everywhere Zod and his merry band go they find corpses just laying out in the open. And if Krypton is so starved of natural resources that they undertake the huge risk of mining their core, why did they not start mining all those other planets?

Plot holes aside, I still enjoyed the hell out of the movie.

With all respect, I don't think anything that has been pointed out qualifies as a plot hole.

A plot hole, or plothole, a play on the word "pothole," is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot.

 

[Socrates11]

Andy thought Pulp Fiction sucked.Seen it last night, I was bored.

And Diane Lane looked terrible. But love me some Adams.

So Jor-El was suprised that Cal became even stronger than he imagined. But he had a tailored suit with red cape cape ready and waiting?

How did the Kryptonian chick get super powers like flight without breathing earths air? She had her helmet on then started flying around like Supe.

I was trying to think back to when he was Supe and who seen him, but NO ONE from the Planet recognized him when he went to work there?

Pulp Fiction...the love is based on how cool it is that the characters talk.

Lane was in makeup. I know, she still looked terrible and that makes me sad. She even looked bad as the young mom too.

You're worried about Superman's wardrobe? Just because. No, just thought it odd that he made a suit with a cape when he wasn't sure how powerful he would become. No Kryptonian had the power of flight, found it odd he knew in advance Cal could fly.

It wasn't a helmet, it was a visor. She got her powers the same way Superman did, from the sun. Oh ok, I misunderstood. Thought the super powers came from breathing in the earth's oxygen. But wasn't the "visor" the same thing Adams wore in the Krypton ship so she could breath?

The implication at the end is that Lois does recognize him. Should've specified, I got that part, was referring more to the other employees that were out there watching Supe do his thing. (fishbourne, the creepy guy and chick)

Also, consider the suit was on a ship that had been on earth thousands of years prior to Jor El being born, let alone Kal El being on earth.

Oh yea, that slipped my mind. I guess Kryptonian ghosts can do some pretty awesome ####?

And agree with the whole banishing Zod, then the planet explodes and they're free. Shook my head at that one too. I giggled a couple times last night at the unintentional comedy. The kid liked it so that's all that matters.

Yea that was silly. Space travel is banned because it takes up too much resources, but when you put criminals in suspended animation you shoot them off into space? Why not just throw them into some holding area?

And did they ever explain why all the colonies just suddenly failed and all the people inhabiting them just died? Everywhere Zod and his merry band go they find corpses just laying out in the open. And if Krypton is so starved of natural resources that they undertake the huge risk of mining their core, why did they not start mining all those other planets?

Plot holes aside, I still enjoyed the hell out of the movie.

With all respect, I don't think anything that has been pointed out qualifies as a plot hole.

A plot hole, or plothole, a play on the word "pothole," is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot.

Thanks for the lesson Brainiac

 

[Doug B]

Kind of a tangent to the thread, but I figured those who'd appreciate this are already here. Did the house know about this?

Superman debut comic found in wall sells for $175,000

Brian Truitt, USA TODAY 2:11 p.m. EDT June 13, 2013

A rare copy of 'Action Comics' No. 1 was discovered in insulation of Minnesota house.

It might be the most valuable piece of insulation ever.

A copy of Action Comics No. 1, the 1938 comic book that debuted Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster's Superman, was found in the walls of a Minnesota house during a renovation and sold for $175,000 on Tuesday, according to comic-book seller ComicConnect.com.

While doing a renovation earlier this year in Elbow Lake, Minn., building contractor David Gonzalez found the comic among newspapers used as insulation in the walls of the house. He had bought the house — also built in 1938 — for $10,100.

Gonzalez's copy, bought by an anonymous bidder, was graded as a 1.5 out of 10 due to a detached back cover. A near-mint copy of the same comic graded at a 9.0 sold for $2.16 million in 2011

 

[Brady Marino]

Saw this today. Thoughts:

Spoiler

The good: Visually stunning in 3D. Very nice eye candy throughout.

The ok: The actors. Cavill was fine as Superman, Adams was meh as Lois Lane. Liked Crowe, Costner and Lane.

The bad: The wanton destruction of a small town.

The ugly: The wanton destruction of Metropolis. I mean give me a freaking break. How are we supposed to feel good about Superman saving the day when thousands upon thousands lost their lives in a CGI jerkoff? Liked the movie up until the silliness that was the last hour.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Saw this today. Thoughts:

Spoiler

The good: Visually stunning in 3D. Very nice eye candy throughout.

The ok: The actors. Cavill was fine as Superman, Adams was meh as Lois Lane. Liked Crowe, Costner and Lane.

The bad: The wanton destruction of a small town.

The ugly: The wanton destruction of Metropolis. I mean give me a freaking break. How are we supposed to feel good about Superman saving the day when thousands upon thousands lost their lives in a CGI jerkoff? Liked the movie up until the silliness that was the last hour.

I thought the same exact thing! Way over the top.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Saw this today. Thoughts:

Spoiler

The good: Visually stunning in 3D. Very nice eye candy throughout.

The ok: The actors. Cavill was fine as Superman, Adams was meh as Lois Lane. Liked Crowe, Costner and Lane.

The bad: The wanton destruction of a small town.

The ugly: The wanton destruction of Metropolis. I mean give me a freaking break. How are we supposed to feel good about Superman saving the day when thousands upon thousands lost their lives in a CGI jerkoff? Liked the movie up until the silliness that was the last hour.

Because if he didn't then there would be billions (as in all humanity) that would have lost their lives?

I thought it added weight to the seriousness of the battle.

 

[Brady Marino]

Saw this today. Thoughts:

Spoiler

The good: Visually stunning in 3D. Very nice eye candy throughout.

The ok: The actors. Cavill was fine as Superman, Adams was meh as Lois Lane. Liked Crowe, Costner and Lane.

The bad: The wanton destruction of a small town.

The ugly: The wanton destruction of Metropolis. I mean give me a freaking break. How are we supposed to feel good about Superman saving the day when thousands upon thousands lost their lives in a CGI jerkoff? Liked the movie up until the silliness that was the last hour.

Spoiler

Because if he didn't then there would be billions (as in all humanity) that would have lost their lives?

I thought it added weight to the seriousness of the battle.

I guess I just thought the destruction and the unacknowledged death was just over the top for me. But then again, from what I understand, it's in a comic's nature to not acknowledge the thousands that die in such superhero battles. At the end, everything was all hunky dory at the Daily Planet as we transitioned to Clark Kent: Mild Mannered Reporter.

I get it, it's fiction. But the problem with having such grit and realism in your superhero movies nowadays is that it becomes harder to suspend reality. If you want campy live-action comic book, fine. If you want dark and real, fine. But you can't have both, IMO.

 

[cstu]

I read on IMDB that there were $170 million worth of paid product placement in this movie. Is that product placement that obvious?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I read on IMDB that there were $170 million worth of paid product placement in this movie. Is that product placement that obvious?

The only product placement I remember was the Lexcorp tanker that got me to chuckle.

 

[Brady Marino]

I read on IMDB that there were $170 million worth of paid product placement in this movie. Is that product placement that obvious?

Sears and IHOP jumped out at me.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I read on IMDB that there were $170 million worth of paid product placement in this movie. Is that product placement that obvious?

Sears and IHOP jumped out at me.

The Nikon D3 was ridiculous. They showed it and paused on it in the arctic cave like a commercial. 7-11 is another one.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I read on IMDB that there were $170 million worth of paid product placement in this movie. Is that product placement that obvious?

Sears and IHOP jumped out at me.

The Nikon D3 was ridiculous. They showed it and paused on it in the arctic cave like a commercial. 7-11 is another one.

thats the one that i noticed obtrusively

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Yea that was silly. Space travel is banned because it takes up too much resources, but when you put criminals in suspended animation you shoot them off into space? Why not just throw them into some holding area?

And did they ever explain why all the colonies just suddenly failed and all the people inhabiting them just died? Everywhere Zod and his merry band go they find corpses just laying out in the open. And if Krypton is so starved of natural resources that they undertake the huge risk of mining their core, why did they not start mining all those other planets?

Plot holes aside, I still enjoyed the hell out of the movie.

Saw it again last night and I was wrong about where the bad guys got their powers from. Except for the very end, when Zod has had time to acclimate to Earth's atmosphere, their powers are derived entirely from their battle suits. Jor El puts his on just before he fights Zod at the beginning. When Faora-Ul's suit is damaged, she has to be rescued and returned to their ship.

Space travel wasn't banned, it was simply abandoned. They put them in space because...well it was a plot device to get them off an exploding planet.

The colonies failed because they couldn't survive on their own. They were still supported by Krypton and when Krypton abandoned them, they shriveled and died. They were still terraforming those other planets when they abandoned them. There was likely no way to get the resources, if there were any, back to Krypton.

 

[cstu]

If you didn't enjoy this movie I'm going to suggest that you leave your cynicism at the door next time and bleach your black heart and soul.

This movie was awesome. Story was just fine. I liked the Iron Man-ish slant of "you are who you choose to be not who you were made to be".

And there's no doubt that this is the most visually astonishing movie that has ever been made. The detail in the fight scenes is amazing. If it doesn't win Best Visual Effects then shut it down.

I actually enjoyed the story, it was the extended fight scenes that bored me to tears. When the movie is about Superman, you know, a guy who literally can't be killed, long fight scenes serve little purpose. After the first time Superman goes flying through a dozen houses, I get it, awesome, but don't need to see it a hundred more times.

 

[cstu]

Space travel wasn't banned, it was simply abandoned. They put them in space because...well it was a plot device to get them off an exploding planet.

This was the biggest "you gotta be ####ing kidding me" part of the movie.

Zod: "Oh, we just converted this thing on a prison ship to a hyperdrive that allowed us to go anywhere in the universe we wanted."

 

[cstu]

The colonies failed because they couldn't survive on their own. They were still supported by Krypton and when Krypton abandoned them, they shriveled and died. They were still terraforming those other planets when they abandoned them. There was likely no way to get the resources, if there were any, back to Krypton.

Kryptonians are dumbest highly advanced race of people in the history of the universe. They destroy their own planet's core and can't even create self-sufficient colony planets. I say good riddance to these people (besides Superman of course, he's cool).