Sienna2012
Footballguy
It does mine. I potentially can wait for a WR and load up at other positions. What do you think is ADP will be be?
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Manning to Demaryious Thomas (1 Viewer)
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I bump Decker.
shadyridr
Footballguy
You dont think everyone else will think like this and his ADP will already be high?
Sarnoff
Footballguy
Hell, I might take Denver's kicker with the 1.01. This team could be in the red zone on every drive.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Sell DT high; Buy Decker at market value.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Everytyhing Decker does, DT does just a little bit better. Both should have nice seasons, but presuming he stays healthy, DT seems to be the one of the two to own, imho.
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RBM
Footballguy
No thanks
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
If you can get top 10 WR value for Thomas, trade him.If you can buy Decker on last week's prices, buy him.Are you saying anything more than that?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Manning loves the slot guys. I believe a few years ago Austin Collie was on a FF record setting pace until he got hurt. Decker is the one to own in a PPR league.ETA: ....and Decker is a lot better WR than Collie IMO.
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
I bump both, but Decker may end up being the value play.
squistion
Footballguy
Who would sell him at last week's prices outside of someone who hasn't heard the Peyton to Denver news?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
doesnt change my strategy, but my rankings will be impacted
Warhogs
Footballguy
My view is that I would be cautious on assuming either Thomas or Decker are the big beneficiary here. Certainly all Denver WR should benefit from having a passing QB and all time great running the offense over Tebow passing the ball but I don't think any of us will know who benefits most (builds the best chemistry with Manning). I would almost want to steer clear of all guys for a while as it seems people are wanting to elevate both of these guys rather quickly and quite high.
As far as the original question if it changes my draft strategy I say no. Both of these guys may bump up on my rankings but it would not change my overall strategy.
As far as the original question if it changes my draft strategy I say no. Both of these guys may bump up on my rankings but it would not change my overall strategy.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
He's still in the league?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The overall running game with a much better passer, but much lesser runner @ QB.
This may change my strategy a great deal in my keeper auction. We get to keep 2 at +5 the prior year's value (undrafterd players at $5). Was considering keeping Murray and Newton, both for $5. If Thomas is going to have Peyton throwing him the ball I may unload Cam for draft bucks to one of the many Panthers homers. Interesting developments here. 
matttyl
Footballguy
First, a few assumptions...
1) D Thomas is in fact, and will be, the #1 WR in Denver
2) Peyton is healthy and back to his "old self"
3) the Denver offense in 2012 will not be drastically different than Indy's offense has been with Peyton
The "#1" WR in Peyton's offense since his 2nd year in the league has had stat lines of
'99 - 115/1,663/12
'00 - 102/1,413/14
'01 -109/1,524/15
'02 - 143/1,722/11
'03 - 94/1,272/10 (in 15 games - equates to 100/1,357/11)
'04 - 86/1,113/15
'05 - 82/1,146/12 (in 15 games - equates to 87/1,222/13)
'06 - 95/1,366/12
'07 - 104/1,510/10
'08 - 82/1,145/6
'09 - 100/1,264/10
'10 - 111/1,355/6
With that background, I don't think it would be crazy to think 80/1,100/9 is totally out of the question. Last year that would have been #8 in receptions for a WR, #15 in yards for a WR, and #4 in TDs for a WR. It's pretty much 2010 Marques Colston with another TD - or V Jax with another 20 receptions.
1) D Thomas is in fact, and will be, the #1 WR in Denver
2) Peyton is healthy and back to his "old self"
3) the Denver offense in 2012 will not be drastically different than Indy's offense has been with Peyton
The "#1" WR in Peyton's offense since his 2nd year in the league has had stat lines of
'99 - 115/1,663/12
'00 - 102/1,413/14
'01 -109/1,524/15
'02 - 143/1,722/11
'03 - 94/1,272/10 (in 15 games - equates to 100/1,357/11)
'04 - 86/1,113/15
'05 - 82/1,146/12 (in 15 games - equates to 87/1,222/13)
'06 - 95/1,366/12
'07 - 104/1,510/10
'08 - 82/1,145/6
'09 - 100/1,264/10
'10 - 111/1,355/6
With that background, I don't think it would be crazy to think 80/1,100/9 is totally out of the question. Last year that would have been #8 in receptions for a WR, #15 in yards for a WR, and #4 in TDs for a WR. It's pretty much 2010 Marques Colston with another TD - or V Jax with another 20 receptions.
shader
Footballguy
Let's wait a few months before we rank the Denver WR's. Still free agency and the draft to go.
As it stands now, though, Thomas is the only one I'd upgrade, and I'd upgrade him bigtime.
Decker might be a value play right now, but if they get a Mike Wallace, make a trade or draft a few rookies, Decker's value falls somewhat.
As it stands now, though, Thomas is the only one I'd upgrade, and I'd upgrade him bigtime.
Decker might be a value play right now, but if they get a Mike Wallace, make a trade or draft a few rookies, Decker's value falls somewhat.
zamboni
Footballguy
It didn't hurt that the #1 WR during most of those years was Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne for the others.
matttyl
Footballguy
Oh I get that, but it is what it is. The #1 WR in a Peyton Manning offense has always had great seasons. I did temper my expectations with the 80/1,100/9 stat line, though. I think that would be very reasonable to expect, and would make him a borderline top 10 WR.
zamboni
Footballguy
It's possible, but while Thomas had a nice stretch run at the end of the season and the playoffs, who knows if he can generate that kind of consistency. I could see Thomas having more yards, but more catches to Decker. Crapshoot as to TDs.
matttyl
Footballguy
He had a game with 4 catches for 144 yards and 2 TDs when there were only 15 attempted passes by the QB!
He had another game with 7 catches for 116 yards when there were only 22 attempted passes.
He had a third game with 4 catches for 204 yards and a TD when there were only 21 attempted passes, including overtime.
There were no more than 11 completed passes in any of those games.
Get your popcorn ready!
He had another game with 7 catches for 116 yards when there were only 22 attempted passes.
He had a third game with 4 catches for 204 yards and a TD when there were only 21 attempted passes, including overtime.
There were no more than 11 completed passes in any of those games.
Get your popcorn ready!
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Those who are thinking "um, oh gee, I dunno, maybe we should wait awhile and see what happens, ah, um, might be kinda risky to bump these guys, blah blah blah" must never win at fantasy football.
Play it safe and you get passed up by the risk takers.Thomas and Decker are buys right now, even at prices above what they were before the PM signing, because in a year their prices will be even higher when all the "play it safe and see how they do" owners want them. If you are waiting for sure things you'll always be paying full price, and you seldom win that way.
Play it safe and you get passed up by the risk takers.Thomas and Decker are buys right now, even at prices above what they were before the PM signing, because in a year their prices will be even higher when all the "play it safe and see how they do" owners want them. If you are waiting for sure things you'll always be paying full price, and you seldom win that way.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
FCP
Rick James
Footballguy
I love all the buy/sell talk in March like you're actually having drafts this weekend.
JPeso
Footballguy
Why are we still talking hypotheticals with this guy? He was a top 10-15 WR prospectively with Tebow (nevermind the WR2 finish).
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Something no one is talking about, I think DeMaryius Thomas still carries some injury risk.
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DoubleG
Footballguy
Yes, Manning loves the slot guys - meaning that Decker will ALSO have a viable FF season. There were times in Indy when you could start two or even all three of their WRs and get top 20 WR numbers out of all 3. IMHO, Thomas is the WR1 (making him an almost certain FF WR1) - while Decker will be the WR2 (on Manning's team) making him a borderline FF WR1 as well. All of this presumes Manning is healthy and somewhat near his "normal" form. If he is 80-90%, I can see DT being more of a top 12-15 WR, with Decker landing comfortably in the top 15-25 at the position.Manning loves the slot guys. I believe a few years ago Austin Collie was on a FF record setting pace until he got hurt. Decker is the one to own in a PPR league.ETA: ....and Decker is a lot better WR than Collie IMO.
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Otis
Footballguy
This. Unless they bring in Wayne or Wallance, he's an automatic top 10-15. The question becomes whether he cracks top 5.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Wayne already re-upped with Indy - they'd have to trade for him now.I also don't see Denver parting with a 1st rounder to meet Wallace's tender.
They might snag a WR in the draft, but I would be suprised if Denver did much more in FA - they already landed the biggest fish in the lake.
The Comedian
Footballguy
Yeah - my draft strategy changes because I'm drafting these guys higher than I was yesterday.
The Comedian
Footballguy
There are these things called dynasty leagues that run year-round. You should see if your gramma and cousins are cool to change up your league and try it out.WHATSUP?
rjv
Footballguy
The Broncos will go after Stewart or do some deal with CAR for DWill
JPeso
Footballguy
Perhaps because it's already factored in everywhere we look? At least I hope that's the case anytime I see him ignored, badmouthed, ranked far too low (even long before Peyton). I would hope that was the reason he was had for 10th round dynasty start-up last year. The reason why 50% of owners still seem to believe that Decker is not only the better value, but the better "play" straight up. The reason why this year, prior to Manning landing, DT was a mid-4th, early 5th in start-ups instead of the back end of the 1st/early 2nd after the dominance he displayed to finish the year. And most importantly, the reason why DT won't ever be considered a top 5 dynasty WR.
I will take on that injury risk and keep his crazy stat-line that would have reached 270 with Tebow, and will exceed 300 with Peyton. If he plays, he will stat. If one of his previous injury issues flare up, then sure, joke's on those who hold. He was held on my rosters anywhere from my WR4-8 and yet will now yield WR1, legit, weekly 18-22 point upside in PPR leagues.
You are going to deal that for another year of Greg Jennings, currently at WR8-12 value before he drops drastically in value? Look what happened to Roddy. But I doubt you are going to be able to "upgrade" to a "better" WR than Jennings. Why? Because for some reason or another, DT is still being "downgraded" (again, I really hope it's this injury risk).
This trade allows the vast majority of the hobby a "do over" when it comes to valuing DT. He was left for dead. But you saw it with the "news" sites beginning to twist their spin as they always do as he was taking names during the final weeks of the regular season and into the playoffs, yet the words "might be" in said articles may have been enough to still leave many owners skeptical. But now DT was only made a Pro Bowl caliber WR because of Peyton: "There is no way he would have done it with Tebow!" Take the out if you must, but please do not sell this guy below his worth. He would have been WR8-12 short-term with Tebow, and now, folks, draft him as your WR1 in and let the good times roll.
The risk of dealing DT for someone like Jennings is just as risky, if not more so, than holding the pimp that he is.
Xue
Footballguy
I would definitely buy Decker at a lower price than D. Thomas. Peyton loves precision route runners, that's Decker. There's a reason Peyton never liked throwing to Pierre Garcon.
I don't understand the Wallace to Denver talk. Peyton doesn't need a deep threat. He likes throwing intermediate passes. And with his health questions, how strong is his arm? It'd be a waste to bring in a speedster.
I don't understand the Wallace to Denver talk. Peyton doesn't need a deep threat. He likes throwing intermediate passes. And with his health questions, how strong is his arm? It'd be a waste to bring in a speedster.
The Comedian
Footballguy
Notice how 99% of the people on this forum are saying that Decker is going to be a big value pick? Yeah, guess what that means?
Punch
Footballguy
I wouldn't lump Green in with those guys in dynasty...maybe re-draft.I'm working on trading Wallace for DT right now but asking for some auction currency in return also (enough to buy a stud IDP in FA). My roster is deep enough that I can afford the risk...could pay big, especially if Wallace goes elsewhere and his numbers down the stretch last year were ordinary. Crazy?I do agree with some that Decker could see more receptions but DT has way more upside. I like to swing for the fences.
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cstu
Footballguy
The hype is insane.
Zimm
Footballguy
And i do agree with Pesto as well in his rant! 
Punch
Footballguy
skillz are insane...difference is now a real QB will be tossing to him.
mlball77
Footballguy
Not at Jermichael levels yet, but could rapidly approach.
Punch
Footballguy
Would you have bought Anquan Boldin at a lower price than a young Fitzgerald years back? Not comparing DT to Fitz but he's certainly more talented than Garcon.
JFurby
Footballguy
I like Thomas. A lot. But his entire body of work occurred when opponents were stacking 9 or 10 men in the box and daring the offense to throw. Stats quickly turn into crazy outliers when there is no safety help over the top. I would think he'll be a good, more consistent WR but less likely to reach the mega outlier games that he had last year.
