Manning vs Top WR vs 3 RBs in 3 Keeper (1 Viewer)

[Pictus Cat]

In a 3 keeper format, Which strategy would you prefer?Assume TD6, PPR start 1QB, 2 RB, 3WRfor poll.Strategy 1 - Manning with two RBs. Your first WR is coming from the 4th round.Strategy 2 - Top WR with two RBs. You are guessing who will be the #1 of the top 3-5 WR. QBBC or Bulger, Brees...probably in 4th available.Stratagey 3 - 3RBs. Stockpile value for stability at RB and possible trade opportunity/reliance to make a stab at championship.

Where's the "2 RBs + Gates" option?Most leagues require a TE.

I can see the option vs 2RB v WR Would you want Gates or your #1WR?Could not edit the poll, so I guess include the Gates option in the WR and post the preference.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Best scenario: Manning with two RBs.

Worst scenario: Top WR with two RBs.

The depth at RB isn't as good as it is at WR. You can always get solid WRs in the 4th round all the way through the later rounds.

 

[-OZ-]

Where's the "2 RBs + Gates" option?

Most leagues require a TE.

 

[Pictus Cat]

Where's the "2 RBs + Gates" option?Most leagues require a TE.

I can see the option vs 2RB v WR Would you want Gates or your #1WR?Could not edit the poll, so I guess include the Gates option in the WR and post the preference.

 

[-OZ-]

Where's the "2 RBs + Gates" option?

Most leagues require a TE.

I can see the option vs 2RB v WR Would you want Gates or your #1WR?

Could not edit the poll, so I guess include the Gates option in the WR and post the preference.

No, I wouldn't take Gates as my #1 WR. I would easily take him in the 3rd as my TE.When I posted the first sentence, I didn't see that TE wasn't required.

I have yet to play in a league that didn't require a TE. I know some leagues are out there like yours, but this seems the minority.

 

[H.K.]

Hey Pictus, hopefully life is treating you well.

So this is the initial draft in a keeper league, meaning there are no keepers going into the draft, correct?

If yes, what are the rules for keepers - i.e. if you take Manning in round one can you keep him until he retires? And if you do take Manning in round one and get to keep him forever, will it cost you a first round pick each year?

Difficult to answer without knowing more about your league.

 

[TheFanatic]

Best scenario: Manning with two RBs.Worst scenario: Top WR with two RBs.The depth at RB isn't as good as it is at WR. You can always get solid WRs in the 4th round all the way through the later rounds.

I'd say the exact opposite. There is way too much depth at QB. You can get a solid QB in the 4th. More likely you would be grabbing WR, RB in the 4 and 5 and still getting a quality QB in the 6th.

 

[chris1969]

Best scenario: Manning with two RBs.Worst scenario: Top WR with two RBs.The depth at RB isn't as good as it is at WR. You can always get solid WRs in the 4th round all the way through the later rounds.

I'd say the exact opposite. There is way too much depth at QB. You can get a solid QB in the 4th. More likely you would be grabbing WR, RB in the 4 and 5 and still getting a quality QB in the 6th.

I say the exact opposite of what you just said. There's plenty of depth at WR too and a big drop off from Manning. War Ensemble had it right the first time.

 

[bostonfred]

Best scenario: Manning with two RBs.Worst scenario: Top WR with two RBs.The depth at RB isn't as good as it is at WR. You can always get solid WRs in the 4th round all the way through the later rounds.

I'd say the exact opposite. There is way too much depth at QB. You can get a solid QB in the 4th. More likely you would be grabbing WR, RB in the 4 and 5 and still getting a quality QB in the 6th.

I say the exact opposite of what you just said. There's plenty of depth at WR too and a big drop off from Manning. War Ensemble had it right the first time.

I'd say the exact opposite of what you just said. The true top WRs are few and far between, and you have to start three of them. Having an every week starter is much more valuable at WR. It's also easier to draft good QBs late, and easier to play QBBC with matchups than WRBC.

 

[Birdie048]

Best scenario: Manning with two RBs.Worst scenario: Top WR with two RBs.The depth at RB isn't as good as it is at WR. You can always get solid WRs in the 4th round all the way through the later rounds.

I'd say the exact opposite. There is way too much depth at QB. You can get a solid QB in the 4th. More likely you would be grabbing WR, RB in the 4 and 5 and still getting a quality QB in the 6th.

I agree Fanatic. I think taking Manning over a Top WR would cripple the team since you need 3 WR's to start!

 

[chris1969]

Best scenario: Manning with two RBs.Worst scenario: Top WR with two RBs.The depth at RB isn't as good as it is at WR. You can always get solid WRs in the 4th round all the way through the later rounds.

I'd say the exact opposite. There is way too much depth at QB. You can get a solid QB in the 4th. More likely you would be grabbing WR, RB in the 4 and 5 and still getting a quality QB in the 6th.

I agree Fanatic. I think taking Manning over a Top WR would cripple the team since you need 3 WR's to start!

3 WR's doesn't make a difference. In either scenario, your drafting your second WR in Round 5 and your 3rd WR in round 6. I guess you could wait till 6 to get a QB but bumping the WR's won't make a huge difference.I think you can make a better choice at WR in round 4 than your ever gonna get at QB. and there's not much of a drop in the next 2 rounds.

 

[TheFanatic]

Best scenario: Manning with two RBs.Worst scenario: Top WR with two RBs.The depth at RB isn't as good as it is at WR. You can always get solid WRs in the 4th round all the way through the later rounds.

I'd say the exact opposite. There is way too much depth at QB. You can get a solid QB in the 4th. More likely you would be grabbing WR, RB in the 4 and 5 and still getting a quality QB in the 6th.

I say the exact opposite of what you just said. There's plenty of depth at WR too and a big drop off from Manning. War Ensemble had it right the first time.

there are 32 starting QB's in the NFL. There are 32 top WR's on each NFL team. Of the 32 QB's each team needs to start 1. Of the 32 WR's you need to start 3 which means you will be starting some WR2's on a few of these teams because there aren't enough WR1's to go around. The worst you could do at QB is still somewhere in the top 3rd for a starter even if you are the last guy to take a QB. The logic behind this strategy you are proposing is that if you were in a redraft league use your first round pick on Manning. If you draft late enough in the round, maybe that's OK. But me? I don't ever take a QB before the 6th round because top flight guys are still going to be there....Waaayyyyy too much parity at QB. In a standard scoring league with no penalties for picks, the 2nd through 6th QB's finished within 16 points of each other. the difference between the 6th QB and Manning was roughly 3.4 pts a week. In a PPR reception league where you have to start 3 WR's you will more than make up the 3 pts you are giving up a week if you go with a Carson Palmer and the WR you held onto....Any other move here is just a rookie move....Know the league rules and use them to your advantage. Ignoring the start 3 WR rule for Manning will lose you this league unless you make some magic on the WW

 

[Pictus Cat]

Where's the "2 RBs + Gates" option?

Most leagues require a TE.

I can see the option vs 2RB v WR Would you want Gates or your #1WR?

Could not edit the poll, so I guess include the Gates option in the WR and post the preference.

No, I wouldn't take Gates as my #1 WR. I would easily take him in the 3rd as my TE.When I posted the first sentence, I didn't see that TE wasn't required.

I have yet to play in a league that didn't require a TE. I know some leagues are out there like yours, but this seems the minority.

I was not clear that I meant TE required. I just could not edit the poll without starting this over.

I set the poll for a more general format TD6, PPR, 3keeper, TE required start 3WR...

to get more of a discusion on strategy. My intention was not for initial draft, but aiming at creating the best 3 keepers. The discussion has been great so far, if poorly focused by me.

Personal league HiJack response:

Hey Pictus, hopefully life is treating you well.

So this is the initial draft in a keeper league, meaning there are no keepers going into the draft, correct? No

If yes, what are the rules for keepers - i.e. if you take Manning in round one can you keep him until he retires? Yes And if you do take Manning in round one and get to keep him forever, will it cost you a first round pick each year? Yes, I think. Everyone announces keepers at the same time in sealed envelopes. A draft immediately follows to fill in keeper spots not filled. Another draft one week later for rest of team.

Difficult to answer without knowing more about your league.

My league rules are actually All TD's 7, .75PPR, -2INT, -1 if QB gets sacked, TE required. Keep any 3 (for as long as you want), Rookie draft just before NFL draft (elect to keep rookie designated from previous year or pick a new one) plus keep 4 IDP of 8 starters. Mine are SJax, Bush, and Fitz. + Rookie yielded Peterson. Not that anyone else cares, but since you asked, thanks. And life is well.Hijack portion concluded.

 

[-OZ-]

Best scenario: Manning with two RBs.

Worst scenario: Top WR with two RBs.

The depth at RB isn't as good as it is at WR. You can always get solid WRs in the 4th round all the way through the later rounds.

I'd say the exact opposite. There is way too much depth at QB. You can get a solid QB in the 4th. More likely you would be grabbing WR, RB in the 4 and 5 and still getting a quality QB in the 6th.

I say the exact opposite of what you just said. There's plenty of depth at WR too and a big drop off from Manning. War Ensemble had it right the first time.

there are 32 starting QB's in the NFL. There are 32 top WR's on each NFL team. Of the 32 QB's each team needs to start 1. Of the 32 WR's you need to start 3 which means you will be starting some WR2's on a few of these teams because there aren't enough WR1's to go around. The worst you could do at QB is still somewhere in the top 3rd for a starter even if you are the last guy to take a QB. The logic behind this strategy you are proposing is that if you were in a redraft league use your first round pick on Manning. If you draft late enough in the round, maybe that's OK. But me? I don't ever take a QB before the 6th round because top flight guys are still going to be there....

Waaayyyyy too much parity at QB. In a standard scoring league with no penalties for picks, the 2nd through 6th QB's finished within 16 points of each other. the difference between the 6th QB and Manning was roughly 3.4 pts a week. In a PPR reception league where you have to start 3 WR's you will more than make up the 3 pts you are giving up a week if you go with a Carson Palmer and the WR you held onto....

Any other move here is just a rookie move....Know the league rules and use them to your advantage. Ignoring the start 3 WR rule for Manning will lose you this league unless you make some magic on the WW

I suppose the no penalty for picks throws off my thinking. In my league, Peyton outscored the #12 QB by 8 ppg. Also, the #10-14 QBs all missed many games. The next QB that played most of the season, Peyton outscored by 9 PPG.

The #1 WR outscored the #36 by 7 PPG.

You're right, you have to use the league rules to your advantage, and I haven't played in leagues with no penalty for INTs. So maybe I'm wrong, but this league also gives less than 6 pts per passing TD, the 6 should elevate Peyton even more.

 

[radballs]

Best scenario: Manning with two RBs.Worst scenario: Top WR with two RBs.The depth at RB isn't as good as it is at WR. You can always get solid WRs in the 4th round all the way through the later rounds.

I'd say the exact opposite. There is way too much depth at QB. You can get a solid QB in the 4th. More likely you would be grabbing WR, RB in the 4 and 5 and still getting a quality QB in the 6th.

I say the exact opposite of what you just said. There's plenty of depth at WR too and a big drop off from Manning. War Ensemble had it right the first time.

I'd say the exact opposite of what you just said. The true top WRs are few and far between, and you have to start three of them. Having an every week starter is much more valuable at WR. It's also easier to draft good QBs late, and easier to play QBBC with matchups than WRBC.

This is one of the only responses I agree with unless I misunderstood some of the others. In a PPR league, you're much better off having either 2 RBs and 1 WR kept or even going 1 RB and 2 WRs kept depending on who they are. I like breaking this down, but it really comes down more to ranking these players. In other words Pictus, you have qualified that we're assuming that Manning is QB1. But, who are we assuming is our RBs and WRs?

 

[Pictus Cat]

I set the poll for a more general format TD6, PPR, 3keeper, TE required start 3WR...

to get more of a discusion on strategy. My intention was not for initial draft, but aiming at creating the best 3 keepers. The discussion has been great so far, if poorly focused by me.

What should teams work towards through future drafts and transactions?

edited and posted above after your responses.

 

[H.K.]

Personal league HiJack response:

Hey Pictus, hopefully life is treating you well.

So this is the initial draft in a keeper league, meaning there are no keepers going into the draft, correct? No

If yes, what are the rules for keepers - i.e. if you take Manning in round one can you keep him until he retires? Yes And if you do take Manning in round one and get to keep him forever, will it cost you a first round pick each year? Yes, I think. Everyone announces keepers at the same time in sealed envelopes. A draft immediately follows to fill in keeper spots not filled. Another draft one week later for rest of team.

Difficult to answer without knowing more about your league.

Thanks, if it were me, I'd love the idea of owning Manning for the rest of his career. I wouldn't have to even think about QB's come draft time or who to start in weekly match-ups. Seriously, you are done at QB for years to come, so you can put your analysis into other positions.Then I'd keep my best RB, and if I had two, I'd keep 'em both. But if I had a Steve Smith, Torry Holt type, I may consider that over a mediocre RB2, as well.

Good luck.

 

[chris1969]

I really got to look at the way I rate WR's. I gotta be missing something if this is a serious issue. WR's are the deepest they have ever been this year.