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Marcus Smart shoves fan (1 Viewer)

Whatever the guy said, if he said anything, does not give the kid any right to do what he did.
Why not? I am perfectly fine with Smart shoving the guy. I would have been okay with Smart punching the guy in the mouth.Remember when LeGarrett Blount punched the Boise St. (??) player after the game? That guy probably deserved it too. And how's it working out for Blount?
So, a word can invoke a punch? That goes against just about everything in the legal system. Sure, my words can have an effect on me that I may not like but that does not give anyone the "right" to cross the barrier of legal/illegal activity either.

Like it or not but being a racist and using racial slurs, if that happened here, does not give permission to assault someone. Civil disobedience and allowing the law/security to do its job also works wonders. Smart could have come out the victor in a grand way had he mentioned the incident to the ref then security then in a post game interview called this guy out. Instead, he chose the other way which is not going to be in the best interest of himself.
I'm just saying that if I'm on a jury, and the facts were that the fan said something inappropriate, I'm not so sure I would convict.
That is fair to say but you are now involving the legal system. This incident was not given the opportunity to get that far.

But, this incident only involved a possible word and then a push. If that word is used again in a different setting... what reaction, if you were on a jury, would steer you to a guilty verdict? A punch to the head? A punch with hospital bills? Broken leg? Manslaughter? Slippery slope.

 
If you can shoot somebody for throwing popcorn at you, I think it's ok to shove someone for calling you the n-word.

 
If you can shoot somebody for throwing popcorn at you, I think it's ok to shove someone for calling you the n-word.
I would 100% support Marcus if he had kicked that fan's ###. Fat, rednecked, white people who use the n-word are in the same class as people who text in movie theaters They deserve to get their asses kicked.

They don't deserve to be shot and killed though.

 
Here's the explanation of how the rumors of what the Texas Tech fan actually said came about. Pretty funny.

http://deadsp.in/rV5Js1V
If I were Tech I'd be pretty embarrassed. But he probably gives them a lot of $ and is a general representation of the other old rich white guys who give them a lot of $, so they'll probably just stay quiet.
So rich white people from Lubbock typically sit court side and yell racially insensitive remarks? That must make it tough on their bball coache recruiting.

 
Here's the explanation of how the rumors of what the Texas Tech fan actually said came about. Pretty funny.

http://deadsp.in/rV5Js1V
If I were Tech I'd be pretty embarrassed. But he probably gives them a lot of $ and is a general representation of the other old rich white guys who give them a lot of $, so they'll probably just stay quiet.
So rich white people from Lubbock typically sit court side and yell racially insensitive remarks? That must make it tough on their bball coache recruiting.
I don't know. I said "probably" because I'm just guessing. I hope I'm wrong, but if they say nothing about it, we'll have our answer, won't we?

 
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Here's the explanation of how the rumors of what the Texas Tech fan actually said came about. Pretty funny.

http://deadsp.in/rV5Js1V
Weird. Deadspin is actually being pretty cautious here, which maybe its political parent, Gawker, might be advised to do at times. But, like the commenters there have funnily commented on, is Africa now a word to be deleted? That seems...so odd.

If the allegations are true, he should have punched his ###.

 
Here's the explanation of how the rumors of what the Texas Tech fan actually said came about. Pretty funny.

http://deadsp.in/rV5Js1V
If I were Tech I'd be pretty embarrassed. But he probably gives them a lot of $ and is a general representation of the other old rich white guys who give them a lot of $, so they'll probably just stay quiet.
So rich white people from Lubbock typically sit court side and yell racially insensitive remarks? That must make it tough on their bball coache recruiting.
I don't know. I said "probably" because I'm just guessing. I hope I'm wrong, but if they say nothing about it, we'll have our answer, won't we?
:lmao:

 
Here's the explanation of how the rumors of what the Texas Tech fan actually said came about. Pretty funny.

http://deadsp.in/rV5Js1V
If I were Tech I'd be pretty embarrassed. But he probably gives them a lot of $ and is a general representation of the other old rich white guys who give them a lot of $, so they'll probably just stay quiet.
So rich white people from Lubbock typically sit court side and yell racially insensitive remarks? That must make it tough on their bball coache recruiting.
I don't know. I said "probably" because I'm just guessing. I hope I'm wrong, but if they say nothing about it, we'll have our answer, won't we?
You're wrong, man. He may not get in any trouble, but it won't be because 'that's what folks do around these parts'.

 
Would have liked the coach to walk up to the fan and simply ask him what he said to hi player and invite him into the locker room after the game with cameras, security, the whole nine yards and ask him to apologize if he used a racial epitaph. Would probably not go over well but I would do that or something more and go with an ejection, you gotta support the player in something like that and then talk to the player later.

I don't hold players responsible when some fans run their mouths like that. Also wanted evil things to happen to fatso's wife in the stands pulling the totally shocked look, she was worse than the hubby.

 
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Would have liked the coach to walk up to the fan and simply ask him what he said to hi player and invite him into the locker room after the game with cameras, security, the whole nine yards and ask him to apologize if he used a racial epitaph. Would probably not go over well but I would do that or something more and go with an ejection, you gotta support the player in something like that and then talk to the player later.

I don't hold players responsible when some fans run their mouths like that. Also wanted evil things to happen to fatso's wife in the stands pulling the couple shocked look, she as worse than the hubby.
Leave it to you to give the racist a chance at redemption with a simple 'I'm sorry'

 
People may be racist, but I can't imagine this guy yelled out the N-word in front of all those people. Is there anyone in this thread that if they were at a game and heard another fan yell the n-word to a player, that can imagine there wouldn't be backlash towards that fan from everyone around them?

I'm curious to hear more from the people around him that say they heard it.
See that is what I was thinking as well. If the fan yelled that, fans from his own team would have kicked his butt. I don't doubt he was being a jerk, but as was pointed out earlier, this wasn't like a situation where the fan was pointing at him and yelling. Smart's back was to the crowd and the place was loud, so I am finding it hard he knew that this was the guy that said something.But after I saw the replay last night, I told my wife I guarantee the race card is going to be pulled out on this one..
You guys have clearly never been to Lubbock. And why is it hard to believe Smart knew who said it? Obviously something was said that got his attention. He turned his head and saw who said it, likely because the guy was still yapping. Seems pretty obvious he didn't just pick the guy at random.

 
Would have liked the coach to walk up to the fan and simply ask him what he said to hi player and invite him into the locker room after the game with cameras, security, the whole nine yards and ask him to apologize if he used a racial epitaph. Would probably not go over well but I would do that or something more and go with an ejection, you gotta support the player in something like that and then talk to the player later.

I don't hold players responsible when some fans run their mouths like that. Also wanted evil things to happen to fatso's wife in the stands pulling the couple shocked look, she as worse than the hubby.
Leave it to you to give the racist a chance at redemption with a simple 'I'm sorry'
As a HC I thought it was the high road. Show some superiority over your emotions and professionally put the guy in his place. Bigger part is to back your player. I would have been walking towards the stands for sure and even if I got suspended a game or week, would have been worth it, not right the way that student athlete was treated. What kind of example as men are we portraying here? ;)

 
People may be racist, but I can't imagine this guy yelled out the N-word in front of all those people. Is there anyone in this thread that if they were at a game and heard another fan yell the n-word to a player, that can imagine there wouldn't be backlash towards that fan from everyone around them?

I'm curious to hear more from the people around him that say they heard it.
Wasn't there a black lady right behind them in the stands?

 
People may be racist, but I can't imagine this guy yelled out the N-word in front of all those people. Is there anyone in this thread that if they were at a game and heard another fan yell the n-word to a player, that can imagine there wouldn't be backlash towards that fan from everyone around them?

I'm curious to hear more from the people around him that say they heard it.
Wasn't there a black lady right behind them in the stands?
That's his black friend.

 
So it's ok to physically attack someone if they make fun of you, but only if it is racially motivated and really hurts your feelings? Sorry, I don't care what the old troll said, physical violence is never justified for a verbal insult.

 
So it's ok to physically attack someone if they make fun of you, but only if it is racially motivated and really hurts your feelings? Sorry, I don't care what the old troll said, physical violence is never justified for a verbal insult.
Disagree. If you cross the line you know you're risking a punch in the mouth. That's how fights almost always start. May not be justified but it's reality.
 
So it's ok to physically attack someone if they make fun of you, but only if it is racially motivated and really hurts your feelings? Sorry, I don't care what the old troll said, physical violence is never justified for a verbal insult.
Disagree. If you cross the line you know you're risking a punch in the mouth. That's how fights almost always start. May not be justified but it's reality.
Great, if that is reality than if this kid punches him, I would guarantee the old man would come out financially ahead in this. The lawsuits and settlements he would get would be in the millions. That is a lot to risk for one punch and some hurt feelings.

 
So it's ok to physically attack someone if they make fun of you, but only if it is racially motivated and really hurts your feelings? Sorry, I don't care what the old troll said, physical violence is never justified for a verbal insult.
Disagree. If you cross the line you know you're risking a punch in the mouth. That's how fights almost always start. May not be justified but it's reality.
so the next time a black guy calls me a cracka it's cool if I coldcock him?
 
So it's ok to physically attack someone if they make fun of you, but only if it is racially motivated and really hurts your feelings? Sorry, I don't care what the old troll said, physical violence is never justified for a verbal insult.
Disagree. If you cross the line you know you're risking a punch in the mouth. That's how fights almost always start. May not be justified but it's reality.
so the next time a black guy calls me a cracka it's cool if I coldcock him?
Just how big a boy are ya?

 
Would have liked the coach to walk up to the fan and simply ask him what he said to hi player and invite him into the locker room after the game with cameras, security, the whole nine yards and ask him to apologize if he used a racial epitaph. Would probably not go over well but I would do that or something more and go with an ejection, you gotta support the player in something like that and then talk to the player later.

I don't hold players responsible when some fans run their mouths like that. Also wanted evil things to happen to fatso's wife in the stands pulling the totally shocked look, she was worse than the hubby.
You are seriously a dope. You probably should not talk (or type) so much.

 
So it's ok to physically attack someone if they make fun of you, but only if it is racially motivated and really hurts your feelings? Sorry, I don't care what the old troll said, physical violence is never justified for a verbal insult.
Disagree. If you cross the line you know you're risking a punch in the mouth. That's how fights almost always start. May not be justified but it's reality.
so the next time a black guy calls me a cracka it's cool if I coldcock him?
Just how big a boy are ya?
It ain't nothin' for me to whup a man's ###.
 
So it's ok to physically attack someone if they make fun of you, but only if it is racially motivated and really hurts your feelings? Sorry, I don't care what the old troll said, physical violence is never justified for a verbal insult.
Disagree. If you cross the line you know you're risking a punch in the mouth. That's how fights almost always start. May not be justified but it's reality.
Great, if that is reality than if this kid punches him, I would guarantee the old man would come out financially ahead in this. The lawsuits and settlements he would get would be in the millions. That is a lot to risk for one punch and some hurt feelings.
How many punches did Marcus Smart throw last night?
 
Would have liked the coach to walk up to the fan and simply ask him what he said to hi player and invite him into the locker room after the game with cameras, security, the whole nine yards and ask him to apologize if he used a racial epitaph. Would probably not go over well but I would do that or something more and go with an ejection, you gotta support the player in something like that and then talk to the player later.

I don't hold players responsible when some fans run their mouths like that. Also wanted evil things to happen to fatso's wife in the stands pulling the totally shocked look, she was worse than the hubby.
You are seriously a dope. You probably should not talk (or type) so much.
:lmao:

 
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So it's ok to physically attack someone if they make fun of you, but only if it is racially motivated and really hurts your feelings? Sorry, I don't care what the old troll said, physical violence is never justified for a verbal insult.
Disagree. If you cross the line you know you're risking a punch in the mouth. That's how fights almost always start. May not be justified but it's reality.
Great, if that is reality than if this kid punches him, I would guarantee the old man would come out financially ahead in this. The lawsuits and settlements he would get would be in the millions. That is a lot to risk for one punch and some hurt feelings.
How many punches did Marcus Smart throw last night?
Wow, reading comprehension down, huh?

 
Right before fat man is about to be pushed, you can lip read what he is saying to Smart as he approaches him. He is saying "Im Sorry" and it clearly tells me whatever he said crossed the line. Fat man knows its about to escalate and pretty much helpless

I get it that Smart was not physically hurt......but I understand wanting to go after a fan. Just bc u buy a ticket does not entitle you to get away with racist taunts. That guy should have gotten his ### kicked. Then the reactions by the old women? Like they were the victims....smh.

 
So it's ok to physically attack someone if they make fun of you, but only if it is racially motivated and really hurts your feelings? Sorry, I don't care what the old troll said, physical violence is never justified for a verbal insult.
Disagree. If you cross the line you know you're risking a punch in the mouth. That's how fights almost always start. May not be justified but it's reality.
Great, if that is reality than if this kid punches him, I would guarantee the old man would come out financially ahead in this. The lawsuits and settlements he would get would be in the millions. That is a lot to risk for one punch and some hurt feelings.
How many punches did Marcus Smart throw last night?
Wow, reading comprehension down, huh?
If that's where you want to go... Most of us here think you're an idiot, so tread lightly if you're trying to claim any intellectual high ground on any subject with any user here.The point of my question was to illustrate my belief that there is a meaningful difference between throwing a punch at a guy and what Marcus Smart did last night. I'm not alone on this. So if you're assuming that everyone here thinks there is no difference between what Smart did and throwing a punch and therefore wouldn't change their stance on the subject, you're going to be surprised.

I would have preferred Smart not touch the guy. I wouldn't coach a player to do what he did. But I think equating what he did with cold cocking a fan is erroneous. The only damage done to the fan was increased exposure of his hostility towards visiting players. I'm fine with that outcome.

Next time you're unsure about something someone posts here, just ask me to clarify instead of mocking their intelligence. Chances are, whoever made the post you're unsure about is smarter than you. Maybe even a lot smarter.

 
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Fans need more ### beating then maybe they won't act like jackholes because they paid for a ticket.

 
So it's ok to physically attack someone if they make fun of you, but only if it is racially motivated and really hurts your feelings? Sorry, I don't care what the old troll said, physical violence is never justified for a verbal insult.
Disagree. If you cross the line you know you're risking a punch in the mouth. That's how fights almost always start. May not be justified but it's reality.
Great, if that is reality than if this kid punches him, I would guarantee the old man would come out financially ahead in this. The lawsuits and settlements he would get would be in the millions. That is a lot to risk for one punch and some hurt feelings.
I was speaking to his "never justified" generality. Obviously both parties should weigh the risks of their verbal and physical actions. That doesn't always happen though.

Ideally Smart would have turned the other cheek. Both guys were in the wrong here, which is pretty normal.

 
3 games seems about right. I was expecting 2, but 3 isn't too much.

I'm not going to hold this against Smart after that unless it becomes a pattern.

 
So it's ok to physically attack someone if they make fun of you, but only if it is racially motivated and really hurts your feelings? Sorry, I don't care what the old troll said, physical violence is never justified for a verbal insult.
Disagree. If you cross the line you know you're risking a punch in the mouth. That's how fights almost always start. May not be justified but it's reality.
so the next time a black guy calls me a cracka it's cool if I coldcock him?
Next time? How often does this happen to you?

 
So it's ok to physically attack someone if they make fun of you, but only if it is racially motivated and really hurts your feelings? Sorry, I don't care what the old troll said, physical violence is never justified for a verbal insult.
Disagree. If you cross the line you know you're risking a punch in the mouth. That's how fights almost always start. May not be justified but it's reality.
so the next time a black guy calls me a cracka it's cool if I coldcock him?
Next time? How often does this happen to you?
I was going to ask the same question. Literally never heard a black person call anyone a 'cracka'. other than on TV

 
Tech fans are among the toughest to bear in all of collegiate fandom. Consistently over the top obnoxious.

 
3 games seems about right. I was expecting 2, but 3 isn't too much.

I'm not going to hold this against Smart after that unless it becomes a pattern.
Sizable penalty given where his team stands now. The Pokes are 4-6 in conference and they need to go at least 2-1 over their next three to keep an at-large bid in play. Without Smart, they are going to lose at Texas, probably lose hosting Oklahoma, and what should have been a coin flip at Baylor is now gong to be tough to win.

So the suspension is probably going to be enough to push the Pokes into the NIT in a season where they spent some time ranked in the top 10 and were considered a serious threat to win the conference. Big penalty.

While this was the first time Smart shoved a fan, Smart has already clearly established a pattern of behavior destructive to his team. Given how beloved he was last season and how respected he was for coming back to enjoy the college experience one more year instead of turning pro, it's surprising just how much capital he's burnt towards his reputation.

 

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