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Marquand Manuel likely starter at SS for the Packers (1 Viewer)

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Packers keeping the faith with Manuel

Safety was seen as weak link in 2006

By BOB McGINN

bmcginn@journalsentinel.com

Posted: Aug. 7, 2007

Green Bay - Two years after general manager Ted Thompson and the Green Bay Packers hurt their defense by sticking with Mark Roman at strong safety a year too long, they now appear ready to ride the rapids with another year of Marquand Manuel at the position.

It's halfway through the second week of training camp, none of the young safeties has mounted a serious challenge and Manuel looks entrenched as the No. 1 strong safety, the position that he played so poorly a year ago.

Bob Sanders, who coached defensive ends in 2005 before becoming coordinator in '06, said Tuesday that he was more than satisfied having Manuel in the lineup.

"I feel very, very confident in his ability to help this football team," secondary coach Kurt Schottenheimer said.

One of the reasons why Schottenheimer lost his first job in Green Bay shortly after the '04 season was Roman's horrible performance. Thompson, who took over in January 2005, eventually signed off on the decision by Mike Sherman and Jim Bates to start Roman for another season.

If Roman was an "F" player in 2004, he might have merited a "D-minus" in '05.

The parallels between Roman's and Manuel's first seasons in Green Bay are eerie. In 2004, Roman allowed 9½ plays of 20 yards or more and 4½ touchdown passes, missed 18 tackles and didn't record a turnover. In '06, Manuel allowed five plays of 20 or more and 5½ TD passes, missed 15 tackles and had one turnover play, numbers befitting of a "D-minus" grade.

Roman, who was drafted as a cornerback, had a faster 40-yard dash time than Manuel, a more rugged player against the run. Coincidentally, Manuel played behind Roman in 2003 for the Cincinnati Bengals.

The Packers dumped the final year of Roman's three-year, $2.75 million contract on the eve of training camp in 2006, almost five months after giving Manuel a five-year, $10 million deal. Roman caught on with San Francisco and now is starting at free safety.

Sanders, who was coaching defensive ends during Roman's last season in Green Bay, is convinced Manuel will perform well.

"Well, he started every game for us last year," Sanders said. "He can do what we ask him to do."

The Packers apparently figure that Manuel couldn't possibly perform any worse. At the same time, they say Manuel wasn't right physically in the early stages of '06 because of a groin injury suffered in Super Bowl XL and a calf injury that caused him to miss the first 19 practices of camp and one exhibition game.

"He's moving better," Sanders said. "He's explodin' better on the ball, explodin' better on his breaks. And he picked up right where he left off as far as his knowledge of the defense. His communication is extremely good."

Schottenheimer referred to Manuel as "a different player athletically than he was last year." He added: "He was a victim of circumstances early in the year. He played extremely well down the stretch."

Since the start of camp, it has been Manuel alongside Nick Collins with the No. 1 defense. Behind them, Marviel Underwood and Atari Bigby have been paired second, usually followed by rookie Aaron Rouse and Tyrone Culver, then Charlie Peprah and Alvin Nnabuife.

Manuel's modest speed was exposed blatantly Monday when wide receiver Calvin Russell blew away from him on a go route during one-on-one drills. On Thursday, Manuel bit on a read route by Ruvell Martin, sucked up on a play-fake and allowed a 38-yard touchdown over his head.

Every player, of course, has some bad plays, and Sanders indicated that Manuel's total had not been excessive.

Underwood, 11 months removed from reconstructive knee surgery, has shown no fear of re-injury in his play but doesn't always change direction as well as he did in the past and might again a year from now, according to Schottenheimer.

For his part, Underwood said he respected Manuel's level of experience and tried to learn from him.

Bigby, said Schottenheimer, has the best range of the six backups and can be physical at the line. But both Bigby and Rouse need to show more in coverage.

Rouse, a third-round draft choice, has had his moments as a physical presence in the box, making plays on the ball and as a pass rusher. Sanders doesn't think Rouse (6 feet 4 inches, 223 pounds) is too big to break down in space, either.

"(Rouse) takes notes and is a student of the game," Sanders said. "Very few busts."

Culver, the No. 3 safety a year ago after Underwood's surgery, has had little impact this summer. He and Peprah, a onetime cornerback at Alabama, rely on instincts to compensate for average size, speed and striking ability.

"The (backups) have all done fine but they're so closely wrapped together, it changes daily," Schottenheimer said. "We've got to see where the young guys are but also get your starters ready.

"We know we're going to keep four, obviously. If there's a special-teams issue Mike (McCarthy) may consider five. There are some difficult decisions to be made."

But barring the unforeseen, the decision to stick with Manuel has been made.
 
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That's gonna be Rouse next to Collins by mid-season. He's too gifted to be sitting on the bench.
I tend to agree, but I thought Rouse would have a better shot immediately. It has to be concerning that he hasn't done enough to overtake a player who played poorly last year. Manuel is a nice sleeper if he starts, then sell high.
 
That's gonna be Rouse next to Collins by mid-season. He's too gifted to be sitting on the bench.
I tend to agree, but I thought Rouse would have a better shot immediately. It has to be concerning that he hasn't done enough to overtake a player who played poorly last year. Manuel is a nice sleeper if he starts, then sell high.
I agree. It has been practice only, things could change after 2-3 preseason games.I believe Rouse has top 10 potential in the future.
 
It's halfway through the second week of training camp, none of the young safeties has mounted a serious challenge and Manuel looks entrenched as the No. 1 strong safety, the position that he played so poorly a year ago.

Bob Sanders, who coached defensive ends in 2005 before becoming coordinator in '06, said Tuesday that he was more than satisfied having Manuel in the lineup.

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In '06, Manuel allowed five plays of 20 or more and 5½ TD passes, missed 15 tackles and had one turnover play, numbers befitting of a "D-minus" grade.

"Well, he started every game for us last year," Sanders said. "He can do what we ask him to do."

The Packers apparently figure that Manuel couldn't possibly perform any worse. At the same time, they say Manuel wasn't right physically in the early stages of '06 because of a groin injury suffered in Super Bowl XL and a calf injury that caused him to miss the first 19 practices of camp and one exhibition game.

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Manuel's modest speed was exposed blatantly Monday when wide receiver Calvin Russell blew away from him on a go route during one-on-one drills. On Thursday, Manuel bit on a read route by Ruvell Martin, sucked up on a play-fake and allowed a 38-yard touchdown over his head.

Every player, of course, has some bad plays, and Sanders indicated that Manuel's total had not been excessive.

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But barring the unforeseen, the decision to stick with Manuel has been made.
:thumbup: at this.Took me at least a minute to cull this down and I'm still :yes: .

Manuel sucks horribly but he's the best we got so we're satisfied despite the fact that he's still getting schooled by D- grade receivers.

:lmao:

 
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Atari Bigby getting a look with the first team at SS.

I'm shocked after that glowing review of Manuel last week. :thumbup:

Time is wasting as far as Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy is concerned, so rather than sit on his hands and wait for one of his young safeties to emerge as a challenger for a starting position, he's forcing the issue.

Atari Bigby's solid play against Pittsburgh earned him a spot with the No. 1 defense during practice on Monday, but the second-year safety has yet to lock up a starting role with the Packers defense.

First hitter to the plate: Atari Bigby.

Two days after Bigby played a relatively solid game against the Pittsburgh Steelers - save for two negative plays - McCarthy had Bigby practicing with the No. 1 defense. There were times when Bigby was on the field in place of Marquand Manuel and times when he was on the field with Manuel, in place of the other starter, Nick Collins.
:thumbup:
Another prospect who stands to get a shot if Bigby proves incapable of handling the challenge this week is Rouse, the third-round pick. The 6-4, 223-pound rookie has been running with the third team all of training camp and hasn't had much of a chance to prove himself.

But he hasn't been counted out yet.
 
I'm not too concerned about a rookie DB starting off slowly in pre-season. I'd be suprised if Rouse didn't take over by early October.

 
Both Woodson and Harris have stated that Bigby is the best safety so far this preseason. Whether this has anything to do with his game, or just the fact that he has dreads remains to be seen, but it's what they said.

I'll update with a link in a bit.

 

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