Martyball no more? (1 Viewer)

[BoltBacker]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

33-68, 5Anyone care to guess?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

you have to wonder what kind of GM fires a coach after a 14-2 season.

I don't think any GM has ever fired a coach after a 14-2 season.Spanos fired Schottenheimer in part because of differences between Smith and Schottenheimer, so I'm not saying that Smith had nothing to do with it. But despite those differences, Smith recommended that Spanos bring Schottenheimer back for another year. A month later, Spanos fired Schottenheimer for directly disobeying the owner's instruction not to interview Kurt Schottenheimer for the defensive coordinator position. Kevin Acee speculated that Schottenheimer was trying to get fired, because quitting would have cost him his $5 million guaranteed salary.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The AFC West is still very weak and the Chargers just coughed up a huge win to their most likely competition for that playoff spot.

Actually, given their schedule, the Chargers could easily still win 9 or 10 games this year and grab a wild card spot. I'll be surprised if the East or South gets a 2nd team into the playoffs, so the West could easily see the Broncos or Chargers winning the division and the other getting a wild card.

 

[CamelGod]

The AFC West is still very weak and the Chargers just coughed up a huge win to their most likely competition for that playoff spot.

Actually, given their schedule, the Chargers could easily still win 9 or 10 games this year and grab a wild card spot. I'll be surprised if the East or South gets a 2nd team into the playoffs, so the West could easily see the Broncos or Chargers winning the division and the other getting a wild card.

... then lose in the first round to the Broncos or Patriots, but Norv still gets a 3 year extension.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

you have to wonder what kind of GM fires a coach after a 14-2 season.

I don't think any GM has ever fired a coach after a 14-2 season.Spanos fired Schottenheimer in part because of differences between Smith and Schottenheimer, so I'm not saying that Smith had nothing to do with it. But despite those differences, Smith recommended that Spanos bring Schottenheimer back for another year. A month later, Spanos fired Schottenheimer for directly disobeying the owner's instruction not to interview Kurt Schottenheimer for the defensive coordinator position. Kevin Acee speculated that Schottenheimer was trying to get fired, because quitting would have cost him his $5 million guaranteed salary.

Kind of amounts to the same thing doesn't it?The owner draws a line in the sand that he knows the coach won't and can't refuse to cross? And Smith recommended Schotty come back.... with conditions, like imposing who can and cannot run the defense and furthermore stating that his own son can definitely not run the defense. Ok, who couldn't have guessed where that would go?

 

[trader jake]

Oh Norv.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Interested in Marty Schottenheimer? Sat Nov 10, 09:08 AM

Kansas City Chiefs owner Clark Hunt reportedly met with former NFL head coach Marty Schottenheimer Friday, Nov. 9; however, the team denies the meeting took place. Schottenheimer could be offered the team's general manager position.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

you have to wonder what kind of GM fires a coach after a 14-2 season.

I don't think any GM has ever fired a coach after a 14-2 season.Spanos fired Schottenheimer in part because of differences between Smith and Schottenheimer, so I'm not saying that Smith had nothing to do with it. But despite those differences, Smith recommended that Spanos bring Schottenheimer back for another year. A month later, Spanos fired Schottenheimer for directly disobeying the owner's instruction not to interview Kurt Schottenheimer for the defensive coordinator position. Kevin Acee speculated that Schottenheimer was trying to get fired, because quitting would have cost him his $5 million guaranteed salary.

And he hasn't coached since

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

you have to wonder what kind of GM fires a coach after a 14-2 season.

I don't think any GM has ever fired a coach after a 14-2 season.Spanos fired Schottenheimer in part because of differences between Smith and Schottenheimer, so I'm not saying that Smith had nothing to do with it. But despite those differences, Smith recommended that Spanos bring Schottenheimer back for another year. A month later, Spanos fired Schottenheimer for directly disobeying the owner's instruction not to interview Kurt Schottenheimer for the defensive coordinator position. Kevin Acee speculated that Schottenheimer was trying to get fired, because quitting would have cost him his $5 million guaranteed salary.

And he hasn't coached since

I wonder how long AJ Smith will stay unemployed when he's fired

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Any chance the Giants can make a run at Marty. I would love to get rid of Caughlin

No! not in 2007 you don't! lol

 

[Wadsworth]

Any chance the Giants can make a run at Marty. I would love to get rid of Caughlin

No! not in 2007 you don't! lol

 

[trader jake]

you have to wonder what kind of GM fires a coach after a 14-2 season.

I don't think any GM has ever fired a coach after a 14-2 season.Spanos fired Schottenheimer in part because of differences between Smith and Schottenheimer, so I'm not saying that Smith had nothing to do with it. But despite those differences, Smith recommended that Spanos bring Schottenheimer back for another year. A month later, Spanos fired Schottenheimer for directly disobeying the owner's instruction not to interview Kurt Schottenheimer for the defensive coordinator position. Kevin Acee speculated that Schottenheimer was trying to get fired, because quitting would have cost him his $5 million guaranteed salary.

And he hasn't coached since

Not true. He even won a UFL title. Next up...coaching the Chiefs again?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Any chance the Giants can make a run at Marty. I would love to get rid of Caughlin

No! not in 2007 you don't! lol

 

[trader jake]

This is the "Chargers underachieve again" bump.

Clocks ticking on Norv and A.J.

 

[trader jake]

Add 4th & 29 to the AJ/Norv legacy.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Add 4th & 29 to the AJ/Norv legacy.

Brutal.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Add 4th & 29 to the AJ/Norv legacy.

I would say he gets fired Monday except AJ Smith can't be far behind so maybe they both get the boot. I'm not sure anything is accomplished by letting them go early before the end of the season except that it lets potential applicants that you are definitely hiring.

 

[trader jake]

Add 4th & 29 to the AJ/Norv legacy.

I would say he gets fired Monday except AJ Smith can't be far behind so maybe they both get the boot. I'm not sure anything is accomplished by letting them go early before the end of the season except that it lets potential applicants that you are definitely hiring.

Gruden knows the position is open.

 

[trader jake]

Report: Spanos will fire both Smith and Turner

For months, if not years, it seemed like the A.J. Smith/Norv Turner situation was an either/or for the Chargers.

It appears it’s going to be both.

According to Kevin Acee of U-T San Diego, the decision has already been made by Chargers owner Dean Spanos to fire both his general manager and head coach.

Sources told Acee that Spanos decided on Turner’s fate “at least a month ago,” but has only recently “resigned himself to the fact that Smith can’t be kept in the current environment of plummeting performance and fan unrest.”

The fact he hasn’t done so yet is more of a preference to wait until the end of the season rather than an acknowledgement the Chargers still have a chance.

Acee reports that director of player personnel Jimmy Raye is the apparent replacement for Smith, while Turner’s replacement isn’t known yet.

The Chargers will owe Smith $4 million for his remaining two years and Turner $3 million for the final year of his contract.

Smith joined the team in 2002, Turner in 2007.

Maybe Spanos can hire Marty Schottenheimer back.

 

[Gr00vus]

You can talk about Marty, Norv, A.J. all you want, but we all know the downfall really happened when they switched to these pansy ###, stupid white helmets. They're fine for the throwback unis, but otherwise there will be no success for this franchise until they bring the blue back.

 

[rjv]

Andy Reid is the new coach bank on it.

 

[Wadsworth]

..and so it ends. Norvyball no more? I would like to thank all who have participated for making this one of the great threads in the history of FBGs. It is sad to finally see it go, but we will always have the memories.

 

[SSOG]

..and so it ends. Norvyball no more? I would like to thank all who have participated for making this one of the great threads in the history of FBGs. It is sad to finally see it go, but we will always have the memories.

Why do we have to let it go? If San Diego limps through another 5 years of ineptness, I don't see the harm in bumping to wonder what would have happened if they hadn't fired their multiple-CotY winning coach coming off a 14-2 season...

 

[Ray_T]

..and so it ends. Norvyball no more? I would like to thank all who have participated for making this one of the great threads in the history of FBGs. It is sad to finally see it go, but we will always have the memories.

Why do we have to let it go? If San Diego limps through another 5 years of ineptness, I don't see the harm in bumping to wonder what would have happened if they hadn't fired their multiple-CotY winning coach coming off a 14-2 season...

I dont think there is any question that firing Shotty was a mistake. But even if they would have kept him, he probably would have retired from coaching by now. He turns 70 this year.I also think even if they would have kept him, that wouldnt have prevented the mess they are in currently. Their offense is a mess because AJ Smith was a jerk in dealing with Vince Jackson and while VJax had no desire to stay with the team and the team was able to franchise him once, but after that he left leaving them without a #1 WR. A problem that has plagued the Chargers this year.In addition, AJ Smith has had similar dealings with other players. It is well known he is a jerk to deal with. He's not bad at getting players of decent talent for the team, but in the end he hung himself.Sad as it is to say, Shotty likely is done coaching. at 70 years of age, he is more likely to be a consultant. The good news is his last season was 14-2 and his firing was viewed as one of the worst moves in NFL history. A Legacy AJ Smith will carry with him.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I dont think there is any question that firing Shotty was a mistake.

Telling him not to interview his brother for defensive coordinator was a mistake. He should have been able to interview and hire whomever he wanted for his own staff.But given that the owner told him not to interview his brother, and given that he arranged to do so anyway, I don't think there was any real choice but to fire him. If he was trying to get fired (as Kevin Acee has indicated), there's no sense keeping him there when he's unhappy.

But even if they would have kept him, he probably would have retired from coaching by now.

I don't know about that. He was coaching as recently as 2011. He didn't retire after the 2011 season; he quit just before the 2012 season over a disagreement with the owner.

Their offense is a mess because AJ Smith was a jerk in dealing with Vince Jackson . . .

Vincent Jackson is a great receiver, and keeping him around would have helped the offense. But the offense is a mess primarily because of the offensive line, not because of the wide receivers.

The good news is his last season was 14-2 and his firing was viewed as one of the worst moves in NFL history. A Legacy AJ Smith will carry with him.

AJ Smith didn't fire Marty Schottenheimer. After the team lost in the playoffs that year, AJ recommended offering Marty a contract extension. Dean Spanos fired him. Yes, it was probably partially because AJ and Marty didn't get along, so AJ isn't free of blame in that respect. But the legacy of firing Schottenheimer does not belong to AJ Smith.

 

[BoltBacker]

..and so it ends. Norvyball no more? I would like to thank all who have participated for making this one of the great threads in the history of FBGs. It is sad to finally see it go, but we will always have the memories.

Why do we have to let it go? If San Diego limps through another 5 years of ineptness, I don't see the harm in bumping to wonder what would have happened if they hadn't fired their multiple-CotY winning coach coming off a 14-2 season...

I don't think you have to let it go.Since this thread was started Turner(and AJ) went 56-41, with a 3-3 record in the playoffs and an AFC Championship appearance. If you want to call Norv "inept" that's fine, but the donks have been 48-48, with a 1-2 record in the playoffs.So the next time you choose to bump the thread can you tell me the adjective you'd use for the broncos since this thread was started? I'm honestly curious.

 

[SacramentoBob]

..and so it ends. Norvyball no more? I would like to thank all who have participated for making this one of the great threads in the history of FBGs. It is sad to finally see it go, but we will always have the memories.

Why do we have to let it go? If San Diego limps through another 5 years of ineptness, I don't see the harm in bumping to wonder what would have happened if they hadn't fired their multiple-CotY winning coach coming off a 14-2 season...

I don't think you have to let it go.Since this thread was started Turner(and AJ) went 56-41, with a 3-3 record in the playoffs and an AFC Championship appearance. If you want to call Norv "inept" that's fine, but the donks have been 48-48, with a 1-2 record in the playoffs.So the next time you choose to bump the thread can you tell me the adjective you'd use for the broncos since this thread was started? I'm honestly curious.

Norv Turner was inept.

 

[BoltBacker]

..and so it ends. Norvyball no more? I would like to thank all who have participated for making this one of the great threads in the history of FBGs. It is sad to finally see it go, but we will always have the memories.

Why do we have to let it go? If San Diego limps through another 5 years of ineptness, I don't see the harm in bumping to wonder what would have happened if they hadn't fired their multiple-CotY winning coach coming off a 14-2 season...

I don't think you have to let it go.Since this thread was started Turner(and AJ) went 56-41, with a 3-3 record in the playoffs and an AFC Championship appearance. If you want to call Norv "inept" that's fine, but the donks have been 48-48, with a 1-2 record in the playoffs.So the next time you choose to bump the thread can you tell me the adjective you'd use for the broncos since this thread was started? I'm honestly curious.

Norv Turner was inept.

... and the adjective you'd use to describe the broncos since this thread was started?

 

[SacramentoBob]

..and so it ends. Norvyball no more? I would like to thank all who have participated for making this one of the great threads in the history of FBGs. It is sad to finally see it go, but we will always have the memories.

Why do we have to let it go? If San Diego limps through another 5 years of ineptness, I don't see the harm in bumping to wonder what would have happened if they hadn't fired their multiple-CotY winning coach coming off a 14-2 season...

I don't think you have to let it go.Since this thread was started Turner(and AJ) went 56-41, with a 3-3 record in the playoffs and an AFC Championship appearance. If you want to call Norv "inept" that's fine, but the donks have been 48-48, with a 1-2 record in the playoffs.So the next time you choose to bump the thread can you tell me the adjective you'd use for the broncos since this thread was started? I'm honestly curious.

Norv Turner was inept.

... and the adjective you'd use to describe the broncos since this thread was started?

Let's stay on topic.

 

[BoltBacker]

..and so it ends. Norvyball no more? I would like to thank all who have participated for making this one of the great threads in the history of FBGs. It is sad to finally see it go, but we will always have the memories.

Why do we have to let it go? If San Diego limps through another 5 years of ineptness, I don't see the harm in bumping to wonder what would have happened if they hadn't fired their multiple-CotY winning coach coming off a 14-2 season...

I don't think you have to let it go.Since this thread was started Turner(and AJ) went 56-41, with a 3-3 record in the playoffs and an AFC Championship appearance. If you want to call Norv "inept" that's fine, but the donks have been 48-48, with a 1-2 record in the playoffs.So the next time you choose to bump the thread can you tell me the adjective you'd use for the broncos since this thread was started? I'm honestly curious.

Norv Turner was inept.

... and the adjective you'd use to describe the broncos since this thread was started?

Let's stay on topic.

And his performance relative to his competition isn't "on topic"? Good to know.

 

[SacramentoBob]

..and so it ends. Norvyball no more? I would like to thank all who have participated for making this one of the great threads in the history of FBGs. It is sad to finally see it go, but we will always have the memories.

Why do we have to let it go? If San Diego limps through another 5 years of ineptness, I don't see the harm in bumping to wonder what would have happened if they hadn't fired their multiple-CotY winning coach coming off a 14-2 season...

I don't think you have to let it go.Since this thread was started Turner(and AJ) went 56-41, with a 3-3 record in the playoffs and an AFC Championship appearance. If you want to call Norv "inept" that's fine, but the donks have been 48-48, with a 1-2 record in the playoffs.So the next time you choose to bump the thread can you tell me the adjective you'd use for the broncos since this thread was started? I'm honestly curious.

Norv Turner was inept.

... and the adjective you'd use to describe the broncos since this thread was started?

Let's stay on topic.

And his performance relative to his competition isn't "on topic"? Good to know.

So you're the one Charger fan still defending Norv? Nice.

 

[Wadsworth]

..and so it ends. Norvyball no more? I would like to thank all who have participated for making this one of the great threads in the history of FBGs. It is sad to finally see it go, but we will always have the memories.

Why do we have to let it go? If San Diego limps through another 5 years of ineptness, I don't see the harm in bumping to wonder what would have happened if they hadn't fired their multiple-CotY winning coach coming off a 14-2 season...

I don't think you have to let it go.Since this thread was started Turner(and AJ) went 56-41, with a 3-3 record in the playoffs and an AFC Championship appearance. If you want to call Norv "inept" that's fine, but the donks have been 48-48, with a 1-2 record in the playoffs.So the next time you choose to bump the thread can you tell me the adjective you'd use for the broncos since this thread was started? I'm honestly curious.

Norv Turner was inept.

... and the adjective you'd use to describe the broncos since this thread was started?

Let's stay on topic.

And his performance relative to his competition isn't "on topic"? Good to know.

Not as relevant as his performance relative to his predecessor.

 

[BoltBacker]

..and so it ends. Norvyball no more? I would like to thank all who have participated for making this one of the great threads in the history of FBGs. It is sad to finally see it go, but we will always have the memories.

Why do we have to let it go? If San Diego limps through another 5 years of ineptness, I don't see the harm in bumping to wonder what would have happened if they hadn't fired their multiple-CotY winning coach coming off a 14-2 season...

I don't think you have to let it go.Since this thread was started Turner(and AJ) went 56-41, with a 3-3 record in the playoffs and an AFC Championship appearance. If you want to call Norv "inept" that's fine, but the donks have been 48-48, with a 1-2 record in the playoffs.So the next time you choose to bump the thread can you tell me the adjective you'd use for the broncos since this thread was started? I'm honestly curious.

Norv Turner was inept.

... and the adjective you'd use to describe the broncos since this thread was started?

Let's stay on topic.

And his performance relative to his competition isn't "on topic"? Good to know.

Not as relevant as his performance relative to his predecessor.

47-33 and 0-2 in the playoffs? Or are you talking about how his predecessor has performed since leaving the Chargers?

 

[SacramentoBob]

..and so it ends. Norvyball no more? I would like to thank all who have participated for making this one of the great threads in the history of FBGs. It is sad to finally see it go, but we will always have the memories.

Why do we have to let it go? If San Diego limps through another 5 years of ineptness, I don't see the harm in bumping to wonder what would have happened if they hadn't fired their multiple-CotY winning coach coming off a 14-2 season...

I don't think you have to let it go.Since this thread was started Turner(and AJ) went 56-41, with a 3-3 record in the playoffs and an AFC Championship appearance. If you want to call Norv "inept" that's fine, but the donks have been 48-48, with a 1-2 record in the playoffs.So the next time you choose to bump the thread can you tell me the adjective you'd use for the broncos since this thread was started? I'm honestly curious.

Norv Turner was inept.

... and the adjective you'd use to describe the broncos since this thread was started?

Let's stay on topic.

And his performance relative to his competition isn't "on topic"? Good to know.

Not as relevant as his performance relative to his predecessor.

47-33 and 0-2 in the playoffs? Or are you talking about how his predecessor has performed since leaving the Chargers?

You might want to step off the ledge here.

 

[BoltBacker]

You might want to step off the ledge here.

And if you don't have anything substantive to post you shouldn't feel any pressure to prove it. I'm just pointing out that while Norv may be "inept" with a 3-3 playoff record since this thread started, but it could be a whole lot worse.

 

[Wadsworth]

You might want to step off the ledge here.

And if you don't have anything substantive to post you shouldn't feel any pressure to prove it. I'm just pointing out that while Norv may be "inept" with a 3-3 playoff record since this thread started, but it could be a whole lot worse.

Norv took over a team that was 14-2 the previous regular season, so expectations where justifiably extremely high. His record as the head coach of the Chargers is clearly disappointing. It could have been worse and "inept" might not be the perfect word to describe the disappointment, but his tenure was a failure.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

You might want to step off the ledge here.

And if you don't have anything substantive to post you shouldn't feel any pressure to prove it. I'm just pointing out that while Norv may be "inept" with a 3-3 playoff record since this thread started, but it could be a whole lot worse.

well maybe if his GM didnt get too full of himself, the team would of been better.

 

[trader jake]

link

Chargers fans should buy “Martyball!” if they want to learn more about Schottenheimer’s five years as Chargers coach. Skip the book if you seek Shottenheimer’s insights into his role in bad outcomes. A halo hovers over Marty’s head throughout the book, written with sportswriter Jeffrey Flanagan.

Critics of A.J. Smith will find ample material to their liking. The former Chargers general manager comes off as aloof, uncommunicative and stubborn, no surprise given that he and Schottenheimer went weeks without talking to each other.

Among the book’s nuggets is that Jets coach Rex Ryan sent a game ball to Schottenheimer after New York’s upset of the Chargers in the 2009 playoffs. Marty’s son, Brian, was then New York’s offensive coordinator.

With AJ Smith & Norv Turner getting their walking papers, this is probably my last chance to bump this thread, so why not?Gotta like the fact the Marty enjoyed watching those guys go down with the ship. Long live Martyball!!

 

[SSOG]

In the Norv Turner era, if you just bet the under on San Diego every year, you'd have 1 push, 1 loss, and 4 wins (including 3 straight, despite steadily declining preseason expectations).

 

[FreeBaGeL]

In the Norv Turner era, if you just bet the under on San Diego every year, you'd have 1 push, 1 loss, and 4 wins (including 3 straight, despite steadily declining preseason expectations).

Where can you find historical NFL futures data?

 

[SSOG]

In the Norv Turner era, if you just bet the under on San Diego every year, you'd have 1 push, 1 loss, and 4 wins (including 3 straight, despite steadily declining preseason expectations).

Where can you find historical NFL futures data?

I just dug back through the archives for the Scramble For The Ball column on Football Outsiders. They discuss O/Us before every season going back to... 2004, maybe? I dunno, I stopped going once I had them all back to 2007.

 

[Raider Nation]

NFLN is showing some clips from the upcoming season of A Football Life. One of them shows a very emotional Marty Schottenheimer saying "That was the biggest mistake... I ever made... in football."

I'm trying to figure out what he's referring to. Between Cleveland, Kansas City and San Diego, this guy has had his share of gut-wrenching defeats.

Any ideas?

 

[BoltBacker]

NFLN is showing some clips from the upcoming season of A Football Life. One of them shows a very emotional Marty Schottenheimer saying "That was the biggest mistake... I ever made... in football."

I'm trying to figure out what he's referring to. Between Cleveland, Kansas City and San Diego, this guy has had his share of gut-wrenching defeats.

Any ideas?

Well, it isn't missing a FG, or fumbling an INT, or fumbling on the goal line... it's much more likely it's one of his decisions in home game in CLE vs den during "the drive".

 

[tommyGunZ]

NFLN is showing some clips from the upcoming season of A Football Life. One of them shows a very emotional Marty Schottenheimer saying "That was the biggest mistake... I ever made... in football."

I'm trying to figure out what he's referring to. Between Cleveland, Kansas City and San Diego, this guy has had his share of gut-wrenching defeats.

Any ideas?

Well, it isn't missing a FG, or fumbling an INT, or fumbling on the goal line... it's much more likely it's one of his decisions in home game in CLE vs den during "the drive".

Thanks for the McCree flashback to ruin my Friday morning, BB.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

NFLN is showing some clips from the upcoming season of A Football Life. One of them shows a very emotional Marty Schottenheimer saying "That was the biggest mistake... I ever made... in football."

I'm trying to figure out what he's referring to. Between Cleveland, Kansas City and San Diego, this guy has had his share of gut-wrenching defeats.

Any ideas?

Well, it isn't missing a FG, or fumbling an INT, or fumbling on the goal line... it's much more likely it's one of his decisions in home game in CLE vs den during "the drive".

My guess is agreeing to work for Dan Snyder.

 

[Raider Nation]

NFLN is showing some clips from the upcoming season of A Football Life. One of them shows a very emotional Marty Schottenheimer saying "That was the biggest mistake... I ever made... in football."

I'm trying to figure out what he's referring to. Between Cleveland, Kansas City and San Diego, this guy has had his share of gut-wrenching defeats.

Any ideas?

Well, it isn't missing a FG, or fumbling an INT, or fumbling on the goal line... it's much more likely it's one of his decisions in home game in CLE vs den during "the drive".

My guess is agreeing to work for Dan Snyder.

Good guess, but if you see the clip, he is nearly crying as he delivers that line. I doubt he regrets his one season working for Snyder so much that it would bring him to tears. Who knows though. Maybe Danny was really, really mean to him.

 

[Raider Nation]

Tonight is the night we find out the answer to the post above this one.

Marty's "A Football Life" starts on NFLN in about 10 minutes.

 

[Raider Nation]

Hopefully they show that amazing pregame speech of his.

"There's a gleam, men. There's a gleam...

[dramatic pause]

....let's get the gleam!"

It still gives me chills.

 

[Raider Nation]

Resigning as HC of the Chiefs is the answer.