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Not really. Marty became overly emotional, panicked and made terrible decisions on numerous occasions in that game - pretty much the complete opposite of how Norv conducted himself two weeks ago. I'm glad you brought it up, because it's a great example of the contrast between the two.
Then you clearly haven't read this thread. Marty's firing had nothing to do with his playoff performance, nothing to do with that solitary postseason loss, and nothing to do with whether the team could take the next step under him.It had everything to do with the fact that he had difficulties getting along with the GM and the owner and had orchestrated a sabotage effort in order to be fired wwith money left on his contract. It worked.At that point, the Chargers weren't really in a position to think how can they could improve their situation, they were just hoping to maintain the success that they had. The fact that they actually had gone forward in the wake of Marty's destruction is to Norv's credit.massraider said:
Clearly.A few posts up.
So... you knew that he was clearing out quality coaches to hire unqualified family members to take their places, that he refused to acknowledge his GM's existence, and purposely went against the wishes of the owner... and then said that firing him was a mistake?
I guess you'll have to explain your reasoning then.
I'm sure Miami would give him a look right now.
There's no way any team would be in the Suck for Luck discussion if they had Martyball going for the past few years. None.If the Chargers miss the postseason is this the year that Norv Turner gets fired? I know it's not a 14-2 season but he may be in trouble.
What year was Marty's last NFL playoff victory?
In the end, the players have to come to play. The coach can only help them get there.
Whatever you all say, anything you say I'll agree with, just make this thread go away forever. Norv is God, Marty the devil, AJ is the smartest man in the room, just please fall back to page 88.I'm sure San Diego will win the SB, any year now, just a matter of time.
So you don't know?Whatever you all say, anything you say I'll agree with, just make this thread go away forever. Norv is God, Marty the devil, AJ is the smartest man in the room, just please fall back to page 88.I'm sure San Diego will win the SB, any year now, just a matter of time.
Whatever you all say, anything you say I'll agree with, just make this thread go away forever. Norv is God, Marty the devil, AJ is the smartest man in the room, just please fall back to page 88.I'm sure San Diego will win the SB, any year now, just a matter of time.
Whatever you all say, anything you say I'll agree with, just make this thread go away forever. Norv is God, Marty the devil, AJ is the smartest man in the room, just please fall back to page 88.I'm sure San Diego will win the SB, any year now, just a matter of time.
With that logic Harbaugh has little to do the 49ers success this year, the players just decided to come and play.
Well he only took the Jets to the AFC Champ his 1st 2 years and is playing for 1st place tonight against New England...you guys have fun resurrecting this thread though.
That's a fair point. Taking a team to the AFC Championship game is certainly a benchmark for success. Not the ultimate goal, but it takes a good coach to get that far.
i got nothing else. the raiders suck beyond belief.but firing shotty did #### this team's chances at a SB
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Good point.I'm not a Norv supporter or hater so I don't think I have a dog in this fight other than to just say what I think I see. To me, I DO have to say I think Turner is holding this team back. Not to say he isn't a good coach in many ways but he does seem to refuse (or can not) make adjustments. The Chargers seems to be all about the big play downfield, no matter what, and the past few weeks it seems they could have moved the ball quite a bit in the intermediate passing game but yet continie to force it farther down the field. Seemingly, replay after replay, you see Rivers locked on to someone a good distance down field (no matter how many defenders are around them), while there are guys coming open or open as they cross in the shorter distances. I know that is a simple comparison but when you watch the Steelers and Patriots and Packers, Saints, etc, you see "different kinds of games" from them. Sometimes tey run over you. Sometimes they torture you in the deep ball game. Sometimes they dink and dunk you to death. But the Chargers are always the same. Run, screen, deep bomb. Screen, run, deep bomb. Deep bomb, deep bomb, run. I just never come away from their games (win or lose), thinking "they really had it figured out today...they knew what they had to do to beat those guys".
No, it Norv won a super bowl, the thread would COME ALIVE like never before with people bumping posts from years ago that trashed Norv.
When he was drafting well I was high on him.I've criticized him a great deal over the past several years, but not for the reasons most people criticize him. For instance most people, not just on this board but "expert" columnists and talking heads, vilified him for not giving Marcus McNeil and Vincent Jackson huge contracts and blamed every loss last season as a direct result of not having those players. I thought he handled both those situations correctly. Plenty of people criticized him for his handling of Rivers rookie contract and Gates second contract with the team that were supposed to sour both players on ever signing extensions with the team. How did that turn out? I harshly criticized the trade up to get Ryan Mathews. I said at the time this team has too many holes to fill and it's a RBBC league now. I wasn't a fan of the Cromartie trade. I hated the way the Donnie Edwards situation played out and felt he hadn't adequately addressed the LB corp if he was going to let him go. I hated the fact he traded for Rivers instead of simply drafting Gallery(woops, AJ may have been right about that one). In general I wish he would do more in FA. Overall my biggest grip is he hasn't fixed the OL. I pretty much harp on it every year and whenever they lose it seems to me most of the blame should go to the OL. Rivers can be great at times and the receivers are fine if the OL gave Rivers time to throw. A RBBC would work just fine if they had better run blocking. There never seems to be any depth on the OL, once any guy gets hurt it sends the entire unit reeling. I'm all for holding people accountable. AJ had a great deal of success early on but many of his moves(especially drafts) haven't panned out lately. I've been consistent in saying Norv was brought in to keep the offense humming and he should be assessed on how well he's done that. Up until this year he had been pretty successful at that. Now that the offense is much less efficient than it had been I certainly think Norv should be held accountable for that too. Saying all that I don't think you fire people for the sake of firing people, you hire people and go in a different direction. If they can get a good replacement(s) I'd be all for that. This season is far from over and there aren't any dominant teams in the AFC. If the season plays out well for the team then they should keep their jobs. If it doesn't then replacements should be sought.
Wow, being one game over .500 doesn't seem to suit raider fans. I'll take the four years Charger fans have been forced to endure over anything that's gone in oakland over that span. Since you dumped Norv I'm sure the franchise has just flourished. What's the record been over that span anyway?i got nothing else. the raiders suck beyond belief.
Agree with this entire post. It's hard to fault Charger fans who supported AJ the past few years - until '10 the argument could be made that he assembled the most talented roster in the NFL. Merriman and Cromartie turned out to be flashes in the pan as opposed to the annual All Pro's the appeared to be early in their careers. And AJ's recent drafts ('07 on) have been awful, to put it lightly. Cason and Mathews have made an impact, but haven't become stars. English and Buster Davis are relative busts. Too early to tell on Liuget but he's looking more like solid starter than star.I hate to say it, b/c I've backed AJ for a long time both on these boards and IRL, but it's beginning to look like the miracle that was the 2003 Chargers Undrafted FA class (Gates, Dielman, Cooper, Ceasire, and Osgood) is what made AJ and saved his career for many years.
... says the guy who keeps bumping this thread.
Easy killer. Just laughing that this thread is 4 years old. But I'll add aWow, being one game over .500 doesn't seem to suit raider fans. I'll take the four years Charger fans have been forced to endure over anything that's gone in oakland over that span. Since you dumped Norv I'm sure the franchise has just flourished. What's the record been over that span anyway?i got nothing else. the raiders suck beyond belief.
that the raiders are in 1st ATM. 
Stay classy as always, DA RAIDERS.Easy killer. Just laughing that this thread is 4 years old. But I'll add a
SD in last.Stay classy as always, DA RAIDERS.Easy killer. Just laughing that this thread is 4 years old. But I'll add a
Ill be routing for you next week. 
Norv does suck though.
You guys bringing Delhomme back?
Shhh, don't interrupt the Charger bashing about a coach who hasn't even gotten an interview for an NFL HC gig since the Chargers cut him loose.
Would like Shotty, Brees, M Turner, and Sproles.....hell, I'd take Seau, R Harrison, and LT as well.....
The direction they are headed I think the question is can Norv hold on 'til the end of the year. It's too bad because this isn't all Norv's fault, but the shortcomings this season are more Norv's fault than in past seasons. In past seasons the special teams were terrible, or the kicker in particular would choke at he end of the year. Or there would be injuries to both Tomlinson and Rivers in the playoffs. This year Norv says all the right things about being more conservative on offense but in the second half yesterday I felt like it was just a rinse-repeat of the pass first offense that hasn't worked for more than a month now. He's unable to translate his game plan onto the field. Add to that the penalty strewn games that really started this whole mess and I think this is the year Norv needs to be held more accountable than in the past. I'm still a fan of Norv in general but there are times when a time for a change are obvious to everyone. He had more success in SD than anyone on this board will give him credit for. I think the whole "He had a playoff team when he took over so it was easy for him to have success" line is complete horse ####. If it's so easy for an NFL team that's winning to just keep on winning is that why there are so many dynasties in the NFL? There is less separating NFL teams than most people care to admit. Most act like GB is some sort of unbeatable juggernaut when they were an 8-6 team last year before Christmas and were anything but a lock to even make the playoffs. Norv had more than his fair share of victories despite losing many talented players because of age, injury, and free agency since the time he arrived. Every year there are 31 losers in the NFL. I don't consider Bobby Ross as a failure in his stint as HC in SD. Nor Marty. Nor Norv. They all improved upon the success of the franchise from the point they took over and got closer to the ultimate goal but fell short. The vast majority of HC's(even great ones) do.
Barry Switzer has the best winning percentage of Cowboys coaches. George Seifert has the best winning percentage of Niner coaches. Prior to this year, Jim Caldwell had the best winning percentage of Colts coaches. The first two wound up pushed out; Caldwell is likely next. It is a lot easier to coach a good team than a bad one. Most coaches start on bad teams. Norv didn't.'BoltBacker said:
Is BB saying that San Diego is a dynasty? I'm sure not but Norv showed poor judgement when he called the challenge on the Eric Decker reception when it was obvious he caught the ball...but hey let's throw a hail mary up and hope the refs overturn it. never mind that we might need that timeout to win the game later. I question a lot of what he has done, how his team is prepared or not prepared, it just seems like the Norv Turner I have always known and he has had an unbelievable amount of talent to work with in san Diego especially when he arrived. Yes they won some playoff games but they steadily have eroded much like the Colts did after Dungy left. Rivers is a guy to build around but they need to get that process moving and not waste this guy like the Miami Dolphins wasted Dan Marino for years and years. They need a plan to get back to the playoffs with a vengeance inside of 2-3 seasons.
That might actually work
Have to get rid of Smith first; Cowher won't work for an egomaniac.
Norv took over a very good team and had some success. While it currently appears that in hindsight some Bolt fans are okay with with the Chargers performance under Norv, I bet if you asked them what they expected when he got the job their expectation where a lot higher. After all, they were a 14-2 team.
In fairness to Norv, unlike those other guys I think he was helpful in the development of Rivers and that offense overall while he was there. He got a young team while those other guys all had veteran winning teams. Still, the basic point is correct - it's a lot easier to coach a good team than a bad one.
