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If its Ron Rivera I would think the SD Defense would take a hit changing from a 3-4 to 4-3.
Rivers vs. Brees was one issue.
Im thinking this wont happen.marty & Bill are very close. This probably wont sit well with BillBill Cowher has to be considered here. I know he wanted to take a year off, but with a job like this opening up, it will be hard to resist. SD will have to compensate Pit, but I think it would be worth it. They need to get a coach for the 3-4......he would work
Money can change anyones mindIm thinking this wont happen.marty & Bill are very close. This probably wont sit well with BillBill Cowher has to be considered here. I know he wanted to take a year off, but with a job like this opening up, it will be hard to resist. SD will have to compensate Pit, but I think it would be worth it. They need to get a coach for the 3-4......he would work
If they look at Norv Turner, they could possibly look at Singletary as well. Mike Dikta as a sleeper? I remember watching ESPN and i believe Tom Jackson mentioned Dikta becoming a candidate for a coaching vacancy and he didn't say no or anything. Maybe I'm just reading into it, but it came off a lil odd.
They never publicly disclosed their differences, but the main speculation is that AJ wanted Rivers to play instead of Brees in the meaningless week 17 game last year (the one in which Brees got hurt), while Marty wasn't planning to give Rivers any snaps at all. (There's further speculation that the reason Marty wanted to play Brees was that Marty had a $1M bonus coming to him if the Chargers won ten games. They were 9-6 heading into the otherwise meaningless week 17 game.)There's got to be way more to it than that, but that may have been the beginning of it.
wont happen, you'd ahve to give the Steelers compensation too.Money can change anyones mindIm thinking this wont happen.marty & Bill are very close. This probably wont sit well with BillBill Cowher has to be considered here. I know he wanted to take a year off, but with a job like this opening up, it will be hard to resist. SD will have to compensate Pit, but I think it would be worth it. They need to get a coach for the 3-4......he would work
Anything else? Now that Brees is gone obviously that's not it.
. . . Yeah . . . but he should have been named Marvin.you mean Herman?nah, the chiefs have that. . . And the Raiders no longer have the most questionable head coaching situation in the division . . .This what I call BREAKING NEWS.
Forgot about Marvin.
I'm not saying its going to happen. I am just saying it has to be considered. Compensating Pit for a coach like Cowher would be worth it in my mind.wont happen, you'd ahve to give the Steelers compensation too.Money can change anyones mindIm thinking this wont happen.marty & Bill are very close. This probably wont sit well with BillBill Cowher has to be considered here. I know he wanted to take a year off, but with a job like this opening up, it will be hard to resist. SD will have to compensate Pit, but I think it would be worth it. They need to get a coach for the 3-4......he would work
I think the fact that Lofton has interviewd bunches of places but was one of the few Chargers assistants not given a coordinator or HC job speaks to his not being the ideal replacement for Marty.
You're probably right. I was just throwing it out there. Rudnicki beat me to it though.
I've also heard speculation that Marty may have been encouraging his assistants (e.g., Chud, Manusky) to look elsewhere this year instead of staying with the Chargers. Cameron and Phillips would have left anyway, but I believe AJ was hoping that Marty would be able to keep the rest of the staff intact. If instead of keeping it intact he was encouraging people to go elsewhere, I can see why he'd be fired abruptly like this.But that's just speculation . . .
Moreover, while the Raiders were interviewing him as a possible head coach, he was not one of the Charger assistants being considered for the OC position in San Diego. I think (TE coach) Chud would have gotten it if he'd stayed, but (RB coach) Shelmon got it over (QB coach) Ramsdell, without (WR coach) Lofton even being considered as far as I know.
True, but there was stuff going on more recently.I thought it was a difference in how the team should be run on the field, but maybe that's not it. I don't know what Smith's problem is with Schottenheimer, he does a great job.
As a LT2 owner, I kind of like those play calls
MT, that's interesting and you could well be right. John Clayton was just on ESPN News singing a completely different tune though. When asked about AJ Smith and Schott's disagreements, Clayton said that the bad blood dates back some time but it was exacerbated this offseason when Smith allowed other assistants like Manusky to interview for other jobs and then proceeded to insist on having a hand in their replacements.
A pur fishing expedition, guised to take this thread down.... fellow FBGers, ignore said post, and get your fill in the "Jake Plummer sucks" or "vick is overrated" threads.
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Not that the Chargers job hangs in the balance with this but Elvis is one who is dead...Jerry Glanville is still alive.
Yes because the Giants have such a well respected coach by his teammates and fans alike.
Ron Rivera?Pete Carroll?Rex Ryan?
This isn't the right thread for it but his team was outprepared and outcoached the Patriots in the playoffs. Presumably, if Rivers was healthy, they'd have won the Super Bowl if not for one of the several costly mistakes by the players in that game.
If they go with Rivera, you might as well just castrate Merriman while you're at it. Rivera would be a terrible hire for this job.Carroll simply would not happen. Not with AJ in charge.Norv Turner makes sense with this gig.
What about this whole thing suddenly made him anything less than the top talent evaluator in the league? This doesn't change anything about the respect he deserves for this aspect of his job.
That wouldn't suck.-Cowboy Fan
The Chargers went from one of the least talented teams in the NFL to the most talented team in the NFL in the short time that Smith has been in control.People always talk about Smith's missteps before the results come in. When he got rid of David Boston, that was a big misstep. When he traded Eli Manning for Philip Rivers, Shawne Merriman, Nate Kaeding, and Roman Oben, that was a big misstep. When he drafted Marcus McNeil, that was a big misstep. And so on. Only, none of them turned out to be missteps once the results were in.
Jason, I think Clayton's got it right. The Marty/AJ team was functional until the last month, despite the obvious distaste they had for one another. In trying to figure out what changed over the last month that led to Dean Spanos making this decision, I have to believe it's Smith's insistance on having input into who the Chargers bring in to work on Marty's staff.That's by far the most logical explanation, IMO.
"Swing and a miss"
Let's stop mentioning Bill Cowher please. He's Marty Schottenheimer's closest protege and they by all accounts remain close friends. Cowher just walked away from arguably the league's best and most patient ownership and a team that he won the Super Bowl with just two seasons ago to take some time off.The idea that AJ Smith is going to risk bringing in Schott's close friend who clearly would have his own view on how things should be handled borders on assinine.
So I guess Brian Schottenheimer is out too, then?
The SD gig is such a gimmie, it's very Parcells to want (a la the Phil Jackson-n-threat-to-my-reputation opportunity). Norv is frothing, and thinking the Dallas loss may be a blessing in disguise.Chargers won't risk what they are sitting on with a Rivera or some unknown... they ALREADY have an idea what the gap is getting to the next level... they needn't think "out of the box" with an unsuccessful has-been (Mooch, Green) or an unproven (River, Ryan). Carroll would be nice, and ready-to-go, but Pete's too smart and having too much fun/reward.
LT, Gates, Rivers, that Defense........Call it timing the market...... The Steelers are a sinking ship! He jumped off at just the right time!
Not a chance.AJ and Carroll wouldn't mix.
