Purple Haze
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What? No Brad Childress?
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Martyball no more? (1 Viewer)
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redman
Footballguy
Why do people keep bringing up Vermeil? He retired from KC, he wasn't fired, and he's 70 years old. He's not going back into coaching, folks.Tomlinson = player/coach. "Just give the ball to me"
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
What makes Martz undisciplined?And what is an A.J. Smith kinda guy? He's never hired an NFL HC before, and I don't think Martz is very similar to Marty, so I don't know what Martz couldn't be an AJSKG.
shakeybarn
Footballguy
Okay, Steve Mariucci, Norv Turner, Jim Mora Jr., Dennis Green . . .
If they go with Rivera, you might as well just castrate Merriman while you're at it. Rivera would be a terrible hire for this job.
Carroll simply would not happen. Not with AJ in charge.
Norv Turner makes sense with this gig.
The SD gig is such a gimmie, it's very Parcells to want (a la the Phil Jackson-n-threat-to-my-reputation opportunity). Norv is frothing, and thinking the Dallas loss may be a blessing in disguise.
Chargers won't risk what they are sitting on with a Rivera or some unknown... they ALREADY have an idea what the gap is getting to the next level... they needn't think "out of the box" with an unsuccessful has-been (Mooch, Green) or an unproven (River, Ryan). Carroll would be nice, and ready-to-go, but Pete's too smart and having too much fun/reward.
I don't understand this line of thinking...how is a retread like Norv Turner or Wade Phillips a better option than Ron Rivera?
Ron Rivera is an unknown... is Rivera the missing link for a 14-2 team. Compounded by the ideals Smith already has in play... and knowing Marty's pros and cons as a HEAD COACH.
Rivera goes a 5-11 team, and gets "his chance" there... he ain't Norm Chow or hell look at the gig Romeo got... Rivera... he may get his due, but not with a 14-2 woulda-shoulda-coulda-must-in'07 team.... it's a race car driver... you need someone who can handle a 170MPH car, not someone just getting his licks...
I guess Marv Levy might be interested.
Purple Haze
Footballguy
Yeah. And it's not like he's ever un-retired before.Why do people keep bringing up Vermeil? He retired from KC, he wasn't fired, and he's 70 years old. He's not going back into coaching, folks.Tomlinson = player/coach. "Just give the ball to me"
redman
Footballguy
You still expecting John Wayne to make another movie?Yeah. And it's not like he's ever un-retired before.Why do people keep bringing up Vermeil? He retired from KC, he wasn't fired, and he's 70 years old. He's not going back into coaching, folks.Tomlinson = player/coach. "Just give the ball to me"
shakeybarn
Footballguy
REDMAN: your sig is too big... trim it down.WHEELHOUSE:Why do people keep bringing up Vermeil? He retired from KC, he wasn't fired, and he's 70 years old. He's not going back into coaching, folks.Tomlinson = player/coach. "Just give the ball to me"Serious reply: I could see Mike Martz or Vermeil there in 2007
The best running option on the Chargers - TomlinsonThe best receiving option on the Chargers - Tomlinson (yes, more explosive, better chance to score than Gates)The best passer on the Chargers - TomlinsonCurious what LT2 is like as a CB....
which "superior options" are you referring to here?I'm just saying with all the other superior options to Rivera out there, I can't understand all the love for a guy with zippo experience and who would neuter the most important cog to that defense.So the entire teams make-up should be geared towards "the juicer".
Not just defensively, but entirely. From the top (HC) all the way down. Wow.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
That's a good list. Plenty have busted, as well, though.I understand, also, that Rivera didn't get the Cowboy gig, in part, because he didn't want to adapt his system to fit the personnel.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Can someone please do all the legwork and post every coaching name that has been dropped in this thread.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
MartzTurnerwhich "superior options" are you referring to here?I'm just saying with all the other superior options to Rivera out there, I can't understand all the love for a guy with zippo experience and who would neuter the most important cog to that defense.So the entire teams make-up should be geared towards "the juicer".
Not just defensively, but entirely. From the top (HC) all the way down. Wow.
Vermeil
Mooch
Parcells
Cowher would be among them, but it's totally unrealistic that he would take that job, given how Marty got the shaft.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Almost asked the same question... but then a better question hit me... "why bother?".which "superior options" are you referring to here?I'm just saying with all the other superior options to Rivera out there, I can't understand all the love for a guy with zippo experience and who would neuter the most important cog to that defense.So the entire teams make-up should be geared towards "the juicer".
Not just defensively, but entirely. From the top (HC) all the way down. Wow.
Purple Haze
Footballguy
Maybe the Chargers should crown Denny Green's ###.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I just wanted to be clear that I wasn't peegioning in the Shark Pool.About whats to be expected.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
i agree, but that line of thinking would make for a boring message board Chase.
Purple Haze
Footballguy
Andy Reid's leave of absence is all a ruse. He's been secretly lobbying for Marty's job.
TheGreatest
Footballguy
Here are some longshots....
June Jones...once offered the SD job.
Jim Mora Jr
Jim Fassel
Chan Gailey
Jim Haslett
June Jones...once offered the SD job.
Jim Mora Jr
Jim Fassel
Chan Gailey
Jim Haslett
seahawk 17
Footballguy
Dan Reeves...mark it down.
Purple Haze
Footballguy
I think the Chargers should hire Adam Schefter, just to irritate Al Davis.
2 of those guys are retired and likely aren't coming back. The other 3 have had some prior success but I don't think they are any more likely to take the Chargers to the Super Bowl than a coordinator.What did Mike Martz ever do to make people think he's a great NFL head coach who can coach a team to the Super Bowl? Who would he bring in to run the defense?MartzTurnerVermeilMoochParcellsCowher would be among them, but it's totally unrealistic that he would take that job, given how Marty got the shaft.which "superior options" are you referring to here?I'm just saying with all the other superior options to Rivera out there, I can't understand all the love for a guy with zippo experience and who would neuter the most important cog to that defense.
Why I think he's right!
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
"Superior" was the term.Leaves you with two in an A.A.R.P. style. Lombardi or Halas would also fit.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Where the hell does Jesse Jackson stand on this?
shakeybarn
Footballguy
Lordy, which of those coaches inherited a 14-2 team with the greatest RB (arguably) of all time?Be real!!!!!! How convenient you pull off NOW playoff contending coaches... BUT WHERE IS THE LOGIC THAT SAYS RON RIVERA CAN/WILL/SHOULD inherit this team.... let him go to the next Arizona...
Payton inherited a 3-13 team, Gruden inherited a 4-12 team, Lovie... got a 7-9 team, Mangini a 4-12 team, Billick a 6-10 team, Marvin Lewis a 2-14 team, Fox a 1-15 team, DelRio a 5-11 .
Get it thru your #######G HEADS guys.. unprovens go to losing situations......
Shall I continue to school and educate on why they won't hire Rivera... especially after a Super Bowl loss... thru an NFC schedule....
what about Jim Haslett?
trader jake
Footballguy
That and his offense in Kansas City had similar parts to what San Diego already has in place...Trent Green - Philip RiversPriest Holmes/Larry Johnson - LaDainian Tomlinson/Michael TurnerKeenan McCardell and company - Eddie Kennison and companyAntonio Gates - Tony GonzalezGreat OL - Great OL- Vermeil stayed in the NFL game by doing some radio work and play-by-play this year- We all can agree that he would only come back if he could immediately have a chance at a Super Bowl- A.J. Smith could get a name guy to right the ship now without giving up player personal and or control- A young assistant head coach/coordinator could also be brought in to take over in a year or twoYeah. And it's not like he's ever un-retired before.Why do people keep bringing up Vermeil? He retired from KC, he wasn't fired, and he's 70 years old. He's not going back into coaching, folks.Tomlinson = player/coach. "Just give the ball to me"
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Remind me again why Rivera's name comes up in this discussion?"Superior" was the term.Leaves you with two in an A.A.R.P. style. Lombardi or Halas would also fit.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
very interesting name Ruds. Has he even gotten an interview this offseason?
shakeybarn
Footballguy
sorry it really only said "f-"r"-"i"--c"-"k'-""e"n"honest. just needed to reality set for the Rivera homers... it's wishful thinking, and just poor NFL sense, IMHO.[toned down] ;-)
cobalt_27
Footballguy
It's akin to bringing in a Mike Martz to run the '75 Steelers. The fit is bad AND Rivera has no HC experience AND San Diego is a marquee team. No way in hell they go with this guy. I think people are just in the mood to argue in circles tonight.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Wheelhouse
Footballguy
What about luring some coordinators away from their jobs? I agree that in this day and age in the NFL, you don't have to have head coahcing experience to be successful. If it's not Mike Martz or possibly luring **** Vermeil away, what about headhunting some offensive/defensive coordinators from their jobs?
What about Al Saunders or **** LeBeau? Dare I say Dan Henning?
What about Al Saunders or **** LeBeau? Dare I say Dan Henning?
trader jake
Footballguy
The same logic that leads me to believe **** Vermeil is a legit candidate could easily apply to Dan Reeves as well. I could see it.
shakeybarn
Footballguy
Haslett is not the WORST call out there, but the fan reaction would be swift, that should even Haslett be a great coach, but somehow come out of the gate poorly, ... the PR damage would be awful.I laughed at a Mooch reference here... but Mooch was a pass on first, run on second and run on third kinda guy.Regardless.. it's a tough gig... strong conference, decent division... LT is PRIMMMMMMMMMMMMED to breakdown and with no Turner (prolly) to back him up... ouch. Rivers still can't lead a team for a season in my opinion.
shakeybarn
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true.I've been unimpressed with almost everything he's done since then though. It took him leaving St Louis for Steven Jackson to finally emerge this year.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
If they hire Mooch Im piling all my chargers gear in my fireplace and setting it on fire
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Because people like Mooch and Martz and Turner have been played out and they are a "known" factor. And its known that the ceiling with these coaches is not very high. (Though Im not discounting for a season or two they could be the next Barry Switzer). But Rivera is a top flight up-n-comming assistant about to jump into the HC ranks that is currently ranking very high with his job performance and with his perceived HC material around NFL front offices based upon what they know about him. He still an HC "unkown", but so were some other fabulous hires last year like Sean Payton and Eric Mangini. They clicked with their players and they were a fresh, invigorating addition that improved the entire scope of operation for their teams (more so then just a singular defensive/offensive philosophy) and these effects are very likely to be long term. Not just a bandaid, like you have mentioned.
*Ninja edit for spelling! Oh noes!
*Ninja edit for spelling! Oh noes!
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cobalt_27
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Norv Turner is going to get this job. He's a natural fit for LT. For all the talk about how good he is with young QBs, it's his work with the running game that impresses me the most. He's already had the experience as HC, and while it's been with crappy teams, he can certainly manage this group. SD can focus on a D-coordinator position that maximizes the talent and scheme that's been developed.
Norv is the only sensible choice here. All others are just names being thrown out there.
Norv is the only sensible choice here. All others are just names being thrown out there.
Wheelhouse
Footballguy
That may have something to do with Jackson's emergence, but this is also Jackson's first year as the undisputed ball carrier on that team.
shakeybarn
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San Diego peeps might like this one... talk about an electrifying team...
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Where's has the "sideline pacing champ" been since the days of Marshall Fualk, Kyle Turley, Robert Griffith, LaRoi Glover, et al...
I believe he's the winningest coach in NFLE... (bwa-aha-ha-ha).
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Where's has the "sideline pacing champ" been since the days of Marshall Fualk, Kyle Turley, Robert Griffith, LaRoi Glover, et al...
I believe he's the winningest coach in NFLE... (bwa-aha-ha-ha).
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Jim Mora Jr. ?
Wheelhouse
Footballguy
Ouch, Marty was 5-13 in the playoffs with not a post season win since 1993? 
redman
Footballguy
I think he's a good candidate too and unlike Norv or Martz is a defensive guy. Has he coached the 3-4 before?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I still think it will be a retread, because an assistant won't want to be the next George Seifert (at best) or Ray Handley (at worst).
There aren't that many retreads though that have career winning records and stopped coaching in the last ten years.
List of all coaches fitting that criteria, with games over .500 on the left:
Obviously I'm leaving out Parcells, Cowher, Schottenheimer and Vermeil. I think the rest of the list is complete, though. Seifert/Levy/Ditka/Reeves would be out of nowhere, putting Martz atop the list. Dennis Green would probably be a bad PR hit, but he's had success running strong offenses. Fassell is a good darkhorse here.
There aren't that many retreads though that have career winning records and stopped coaching in the last ten years.
List of all coaches fitting that criteria, with games over .500 on the left:
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52 Seifert31 Levy26 Ditka25 Reeves21 Martz19 Green19 Mora Sr.18 Sherman16 Johnson16 Switzer11 Ross9 Phillips5 Fassel5 Mariucci4 Gailey4 Mora Jr.2 Groh2 Carroll1 Moeller0 CunninghamSimilar threads
