We'll keep doing spoilers for the time beingMan, Loki season 2 was great. The finale was awesome, and I think they provided some clarity going forward. Spoilers below:
I think they may have well just written Jonathan Majors off completely. The purpose of the TVA is to be on the watch out for Kang variants. They mentioned there was one Kang situation, but the team on Earth 616 (the "sacred" timeline) took care of it. I think perhaps they ditch Kang completely and go the Dr. Doom route. I'm not sure why they are hesitant to just replace the actor. Sylvie was a variant Loki, Kang could easily look like someone else (even switching genders).
Not really looking forward to the Marvels but I'll probably go see it. We have the AMC A list thing where we get 3 movies a week, so no real extra expense.I believe the 616 reference was to Ant-Mana and the Wasp: Quantumania, correct? I don't think this points it in either direction although you could be right.
I was talking with my son and mentioned the 616 reference and essentially said it was Quantumania. He said they actually said an "adjacent" 616 universe, so one that was pretty much 616 but not exactly like it.
They will likely keep Kang Dynasty since they announced it, but I think it gives them wiggle room if they just want to ditch it entirely.
We just got back from the cinema. We quite liked that. It was WAY better than the trailers. Someone should be fired for those.Marvels was better than expected and MUCH better than Captain Marvel. I liked Ms. Marvel quite a bit though so ymmv.
That's actually a nice point.We'll keep doing spoilers for the time beingMan, Loki season 2 was great. The finale was awesome, and I think they provided some clarity going forward. Spoilers below:
I think they may have well just written Jonathan Majors off completely. The purpose of the TVA is to be on the watch out for Kang variants. They mentioned there was one Kang situation, but the team on Earth 616 (the "sacred" timeline) took care of it. I think perhaps they ditch Kang completely and go the Dr. Doom route. I'm not sure why they are hesitant to just replace the actor. Sylvie was a variant Loki, Kang could easily look like someone else (even switching genders).
Not really looking forward to the Marvels but I'll probably go see it. We have the AMC A list thing where we get 3 movies a week, so no real extra expense.I believe the 616 reference was to Ant-Mana and the Wasp: Quantumania, correct? I don't think this points it in either direction although you could be right.
I was talking with my son and mentioned the 616 reference and essentially said it was Quantumania. He said they actually said an "adjacent" 616 universe, so one that was pretty much 616 but not exactly like it.
They will likely keep Kang Dynasty since they announced it, but I think it gives them wiggle room if they just want to ditch it entirely.
I’m pretty sure “adjacent” simply meant the quantum arena which isn’t really in 616.
My take as wellWe'll keep doing spoilers for the time beingMan, Loki season 2 was great. The finale was awesome, and I think they provided some clarity going forward. Spoilers below:
I think they may have well just written Jonathan Majors off completely. The purpose of the TVA is to be on the watch out for Kang variants. They mentioned there was one Kang situation, but the team on Earth 616 (the "sacred" timeline) took care of it. I think perhaps they ditch Kang completely and go the Dr. Doom route. I'm not sure why they are hesitant to just replace the actor. Sylvie was a variant Loki, Kang could easily look like someone else (even switching genders).
Not really looking forward to the Marvels but I'll probably go see it. We have the AMC A list thing where we get 3 movies a week, so no real extra expense.I believe the 616 reference was to Ant-Mana and the Wasp: Quantumania, correct? I don't think this points it in either direction although you could be right.
I was talking with my son and mentioned the 616 reference and essentially said it was Quantumania. He said they actually said an "adjacent" 616 universe, so one that was pretty much 616 but not exactly like it.
They will likely keep Kang Dynasty since they announced it, but I think it gives them wiggle room if they just want to ditch it entirely.
I’m pretty sure “adjacent” simply meant the quantum arena which isn’t really in 616.
I agree with your spoiler. The past video that was shown made me instantly think that and then the ending very much made me think that way.Man, Loki season 2 was great. The finale was awesome, and I think they provided some clarity going forward. Spoilers below:
I think they may have well just written Jonathan Majors off completely. The purpose of the TVA is to be on the watch out for Kang variants. They mentioned there was one Kang situation, but the team on Earth 616 (the "sacred" timeline) took care of it. I think perhaps they ditch Kang completely and go the Dr. Doom route. I'm not sure why they are hesitant to just replace the actor. Sylvie was a variant Loki, Kang could easily look like someone else (even switching genders).
Not really looking forward to the Marvels but I'll probably go see it. We have the AMC A list thing where we get 3 movies a week, so no real extra expense.
The Marvels is reminding me a ton of what happened with Solo (Star Wars movie). Before anyone even saw it, every one was down on it thinking the constant re-shoots etc was going to make for a horrendously bad film. And then when people finally saw it, most came away thinking it was no where near as bad as expected.
The Marvels appears to be following that same tract, and unfortunately also appears to be following the poor box office performance of Solo. The Marvels had the lowest opening weekend ever for an MCU movie. It is so hard to over come preconceived notions for many even when they have not seen a film themselves.

The kid and I watched the Marvels yesterday as well. We enjoyed it. A lot of fun. I think it was the shortest of the MCU movies which helped it. Some of the others could have been helped by shorter run times.
Kamala Khan and the who Khan family were fantastic. Kamala just looked like she was genuinely having fun. The villain was light and forgettable but served her purpose.
I absolutely loved the appearances of Valkyrie, Kate Bishop, Beast and Photon. Kamala recruiting Kate Bishop emulating both Fury and Yelena was hilarious and fantastic. And the mid credit scene as great. Young Avengers and X-Men are coming!!!
Oh yes, sorry you are correct. ThanksThe kid and I watched the Marvels yesterday as well. We enjoyed it. A lot of fun. I think it was the shortest of the MCU movies which helped it. Some of the others could have been helped by shorter run times.
Kamala Khan and the who Khan family were fantastic. Kamala just looked like she was genuinely having fun. The villain was light and forgettable but served her purpose.
I absolutely loved the appearances of Valkyrie, Kate Bishop, Beast and Photon. Kamala recruiting Kate Bishop emulating both Fury and Yelena was hilarious and fantastic. And the mid credit scene as great. Young Avengers and X-Men are coming!!!if you are referring to the mid credit scene, that was not Photon, that was Binary.
I think @Mrs. Rannous ‘s assessment that the trailers were awful and the person responsible for them should be fired is dead on.The Marvels is reminding me a ton of what happened with Solo (Star Wars movie). Before anyone even saw it, every one was down on it thinking the constant re-shoots etc was going to make for a horrendously bad film. And then when people finally saw it, most came away thinking it was no where near as bad as expected.
The Marvels appears to be following that same tract, and unfortunately also appears to be following the poor box office performance of Solo. The Marvels had the lowest opening weekend ever for an MCU movie. It is so hard to over come preconceived notions for many even when they have not seen a film themselves.
I don't know if it is political or for other reasons but she draws a tremendous amount of hate online no matter what she is involved with.IMO Brie Larson is just not very likeable in that role.
Good comparison. I also really like Solo. Annoying that movies are judged ahead of time.The Marvels is reminding me a ton of what happened with Solo (Star Wars movie). Before anyone even saw it, every one was down on it thinking the constant re-shoots etc was going to make for a horrendously bad film. And then when people finally saw it, most came away thinking it was no where near as bad as expected.
The Marvels appears to be following that same tract, and unfortunately also appears to be following the poor box office performance of Solo. The Marvels had the lowest opening weekend ever for an MCU movie. It is so hard to over come preconceived notions for many even when they have not seen a film themselves.
Like Ms. Marvel, the Marvels seems to be aimed at a different target demo than most superhero movies. That's far from a bad thing, obviously, but I wonder if some of the traditional core, young male audience just isn't flocking to see this (if I recall, Ms. Marvel was Disney's lowest rated MCU show too).I'd bet one of the biggest problem for The Marvels was the audience assumption that you'd have to have seen the Ms Marvel TV show for it to make sense or matter at all. And that show is incredibly nondescript.
IMO Brie Larson is just not very likeable in that role.
its totally political there is a segment of right wingers who just hate her and bash her regardless how good she does in a role take that to the bank brochachoI don't know if it is political or for other reasons but she draws a tremendous amount of hate online no matter what she is involved with.IMO Brie Larson is just not very likeable in that role.
Not to make it too political...its totally political there is a segment of right wingers who just hate her and bash her regardless how good she does in a role take that to the bank brochachoI don't know if it is political or for other reasons but she draws a tremendous amount of hate online no matter what she is involved with.IMO Brie Larson is just not very likeable in that role.
I and obviously many others thought Solo was well below the standard set aside from Jar Jar. For example, I loved Rogue One as a spin off so to speak and the Andor series. The difference between the two movies was night and day even if Solo was ok. The Marvel movies have had such amazing movies that it’s not just preconceived notions, sometimes the movies are disappointing even if they might be not as bad as expected. Marvel and Star Wars movies will always be not as bad as expected because they are spending a ton to make the movies, but the recent set of Marvel movies has been disappointing save a couple. We’ll watch this one once’s it’s on Disney+.The Marvels is reminding me a ton of what happened with Solo (Star Wars movie). Before anyone even saw it, every one was down on it thinking the constant re-shoots etc was going to make for a horrendously bad film. And then when people finally saw it, most came away thinking it was no where near as bad as expected.
The Marvels appears to be following that same tract, and unfortunately also appears to be following the poor box office performance of Solo. The Marvels had the lowest opening weekend ever for an MCU movie. It is so hard to over come preconceived notions for many even when they have not seen a film themselves.
You don't have to do much of a Google search to find her comments she has made in the past specifically about white males and not wanting reporters who are white asking her questions and how she thinks there shouldn't be as many white men cast in this latest movie Throw in the fact, many, many viewers are tired of the whole "forced" diversity that Disney has been pushing. South Park is absolutely spot on in the latest episode "Welcome to the Panderverse." Disney has lost close to a 2 billion dollars over the past 15 months and some of that is because of their terrible ideas, but a lot of it is people tired of Disney re imagining classics that many don't feel should be messed with. Take the latest Snow White idea--that movie is DOA right now and has been pushed back to 2025. It will probably never see the light of day and Disney will take the write-off. Same thing happened with Spidergirl. I am not trying to sidetrack this thread or political it up, but viewers are not happy with the direction Disney is going and the box office numbers for their past 10 films reflect that. They have a lot riding on "Wish" right now.I don't know if it is political or for other reasons but she draws a tremendous amount of hate online no matter what she is involved with.IMO Brie Larson is just not very likeable in that role.
I will also throw out that I think there is a lot of superhero fatigue right now. Pretty much every minor comic character seems to have had or is getting their own show/movie. I know after Endgame, I have really not kept up with 75% or the new shows or movies. .
But it’s kind of funny complaining about “minor” characters getting series/movies. Virtually nobody knew who Iron Man was before the first movie. Nobody had any clue who Scarlet Witch, Ant Man, Thor, Black Panther, Black Widow, Dr Strange, and Hawkeye were except for comic book nerds. And yet everyone recognizes them now and loves them. People were given a reason to care about them through good storytelling that made you care about the character.
I wasn't a comic book nerd, and I knew who all those characters were. I have no idea what that should make me feel.
But it’s kind of funny complaining about “minor” characters getting series/movies. Virtually nobody knew who Iron Man was before the first movie. Nobody had any clue who Scarlet Witch, Ant Man, Thor, Black Panther, Black Widow, Dr Strange, and Hawkeye were except for comic book nerds. And yet everyone recognizes them now and loves them. People were given a reason to care about them through good storytelling that made you care about the character.
I was a semi comic book nerd and even for me, I was absolutely shocked at how well they pulled off EXTREME minor characters like Guardians of the Galaxy.
Feel fine. TBH, I would say that before the MCU went prime time that outside of Spider-man and the Hulk, all Marvel characters were minor to non-comic people. Even the X-men weren’t well known until those movies. I’d say that DC had way more we’ll known characters like Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman and even Aquaman. Marvel just beat DC to the punch of solid movies and a universe to win the lucrative battle. I will say that I don’t think we’ve had any new compelling characters from the post Avengers phase that weren’t already part of the Avengers phase.I wasn't a comic book nerd, and I knew who all those characters were. I have no idea what that should make me feel.
But it’s kind of funny complaining about “minor” characters getting series/movies. Virtually nobody knew who Iron Man was before the first movie. Nobody had any clue who Scarlet Witch, Ant Man, Thor, Black Panther, Black Widow, Dr Strange, and Hawkeye were except for comic book nerds. And yet everyone recognizes them now and loves them. People were given a reason to care about them through good storytelling that made you care about the character.
I was a semi comic book nerd and even for me, I was absolutely shocked at how well they pulled off EXTREME minor characters like Guardians of the Galaxy.
Doc Strange and Rocket are two of my favorite characters.
Me too but I think we all agree Ironman wasn't an "A List" superhero before the movies.I never read comics at all growing up, but I knew Ironman. Not in depth or anything, but I remember watching the cartoon and pretending to be Ironman as a kid and had toys.
Although I mostly agree, there have been a few: Daredevil, Moon Knight, Namor, Adam Warlock and Man-Thing all have potential, and personally I think Kang is very compelling (although I get the downside of the multi-verse stuff).I don’t think we’ve had any new compelling characters from the post Avengers phase that weren’t already part of the Avengers phase.
I was so disappointed in Moon Knight. The trailers made it seem like The Batman movie and it just never materialized. Kang, unfortunately, seems like he’s getting written out but I really enjoyed him in Loki. Not so much in Ant-man but that movie was just meh all around.Although I mostly agree, there have been a few: Daredevil, Moon Knight, Namor, Adam Warlock and Man-Thing all have potential, and personally I think Kang is very compelling (although I get the downside of the multi-verse stuff).I don’t think we’ve had any new compelling characters from the post Avengers phase that weren’t already part of the Avengers phase.
I was so disappointed in Moon Knight.
The only new characters I really like are Kamala Kahn and America Chavez. The rest are all MEH imo. They should have leaned in to Jeremy Renner and made him the lynchpin of the new Avengers. He would have done it, too, I bet. Although I seem to remember him maybe having some domestic abuse trouble but assume that went away since they stuck with him.I was so disappointed in Moon Knight. The trailers made it seem like The Batman movie and it just never materialized. Kang, unfortunately, seems like he’s getting written out but I really enjoyed him in Loki. Not so much in Ant-man but that movie was just meh all around.Although I mostly agree, there have been a few: Daredevil, Moon Knight, Namor, Adam Warlock and Man-Thing all have potential, and personally I think Kang is very compelling (although I get the downside of the multi-verse stuff).I don’t think we’ve had any new compelling characters from the post Avengers phase that weren’t already part of the Avengers phase.
Not sure I can even include Kang, Namor or Warlock because they are just new characters joining Avengers phase people in new movies/shows. I was referring more to folks like Moon Knight who were in new story lines. Anyway
I actually liked Ms Marvel the show, but America Chavez in Doctor Strange 2 was very lackluster.The only new characters I really like are Kamala Kahn and America Chavez. The rest are all MEH imo. They should have leaned in to Jeremy Renner and made him the lynchpin of the new Avengers. He would have done it, too, I bet. Although I seem to remember him maybe having some domestic abuse trouble but assume that went away since they stuck with him.I was so disappointed in Moon Knight. The trailers made it seem like The Batman movie and it just never materialized. Kang, unfortunately, seems like he’s getting written out but I really enjoyed him in Loki. Not so much in Ant-man but that movie was just meh all around.Although I mostly agree, there have been a few: Daredevil, Moon Knight, Namor, Adam Warlock and Man-Thing all have potential, and personally I think Kang is very compelling (although I get the downside of the multi-verse stuff).I don’t think we’ve had any new compelling characters from the post Avengers phase that weren’t already part of the Avengers phase.
Not sure I can even include Kang, Namor or Warlock because they are just new characters joining Avengers phase people in new movies/shows. I was referring more to folks like Moon Knight who were in new story lines. Anyway
They seem to only get the "character driven" aspect of Marvel when they are doing it to replace special effects. Getting tired of it, tbh. Other than Kingpin, I am not at all interested in Echo. And they put Loki in a button down shirt and tie for two full seasons for goodness sake.
Yeah my wife and I started Loki S2e1 and both of us agreed to turn it off after like 10 minutes because we were so confused. I blame an edible for my confusion, but she didn't have one and seemed equally confused.From what some are posting I guess I'll need to give Loki season 2 another chance. I watched the first episode and was like no reason to go back to that. Maybe part of it is because I had forgotten most of how season 1 ended so I was a little lost but it just was blah. Maybe a binge watch is in order.
Renner suffered massive injuries after a horrendous snow plow accident earlier this year (January I believe). He broke over 30 bones in his body and was extremely lucky to have survived. He is still doing rehab daily even now. We may not see him in an action role again.They should have leaned in to Jeremy Renner and made him the lynchpin of the new Avengers. He would have done it, too, I bet. Although I seem to remember him maybe having some domestic abuse trouble but assume that went away since they stuck with him.
Loki does a great job of being VERY confusing but completely understandable at the same time. Almost like you can ignore all the giberrish theyre talking about and still understand the big picture. I dont know how else to explain it.Yeah my wife and I started Loki S2e1 and both of us agreed to turn it off after like 10 minutes because we were so confused. I blame an edible for my confusion, but she didn't have one and seemed equally confused.From what some are posting I guess I'll need to give Loki season 2 another chance. I watched the first episode and was like no reason to go back to that. Maybe part of it is because I had forgotten most of how season 1 ended so I was a little lost but it just was blah. Maybe a binge watch is in order.
Will encourage her to give it a second try though based on this thread.
I think I understood season one okay. I just need to watch season two sober-ish.Loki does a great job of being VERY confusing but completely understandable at the same time. Almost like you can ignore all the giberrish theyre talking about and still understand the big picture. I dont know how else to explain it.Yeah my wife and I started Loki S2e1 and both of us agreed to turn it off after like 10 minutes because we were so confused. I blame an edible for my confusion, but she didn't have one and seemed equally confused.From what some are posting I guess I'll need to give Loki season 2 another chance. I watched the first episode and was like no reason to go back to that. Maybe part of it is because I had forgotten most of how season 1 ended so I was a little lost but it just was blah. Maybe a binge watch is in order.
Will encourage her to give it a second try though based on this thread.
If it doesn’t grab you, I would suggest just skipping to the last episode, which is great and honestly you won’t be missing out on a ton for reasons that would be spoilers.Yeah my wife and I started Loki S2e1 and both of us agreed to turn it off after like 10 minutes because we were so confused. I blame an edible for my confusion, but she didn't have one and seemed equally confused.From what some are posting I guess I'll need to give Loki season 2 another chance. I watched the first episode and was like no reason to go back to that. Maybe part of it is because I had forgotten most of how season 1 ended so I was a little lost but it just was blah. Maybe a binge watch is in order.
Will encourage her to give it a second try though based on this thread.
I'm aware but all that happened after they decided to hand the Hawkeye baton over to Hailee Steinfeld.Renner suffered massive injuries after a horrendous snow plow accident earlier this year (January I believe). He broke over 30 bones in his body and was extremely lucky to have survived. He is still doing rehab daily even now. We may not see him in an action role again.They should have leaned in to Jeremy Renner and made him the lynchpin of the new Avengers. He would have done it, too, I bet. Although I seem to remember him maybe having some domestic abuse trouble but assume that went away since they stuck with him.
The accident was so gruesome that (using spoiler for those that don't like to read squeamish stuff)
he said he could see his one eye hanging out of his head with his other eye
The movie made me want to SIIIIING!Just saw The Marvels. It was decent enough. Much more in the same vein as Guardians of the Galaxy than the more serious Earth MCU movies. It will probably bomb at the box office; but I do think once people get around to watching it; they'll be surprised by how much they enjoy it and its reputation in the MCU will age well.
The movie made me want to SIIIIING!Just saw The Marvels. It was decent enough. Much more in the same vein as Guardians of the Galaxy than the more serious Earth MCU movies. It will probably bomb at the box office; but I do think once people get around to watching it; they'll be surprised by how much they enjoy it and its reputation in the MCU will age well.
The character could be interesting but not one I was excited to hear got a show. Kingpen and Daredevil help for me. But also the same could be said for the Netflix Jessica Jones, Iron Fist or Luke Cage shows. The Echo trailer looks like it could be similar to these and less "Disney". If so, then it may be worth a watch.Other than Kingpin, I am not at all interested in Echo.