What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.

Marvin Harrison linked to shooting in Philly (1 Viewer)

I'm gonna assume innocent until proven on this one.
radballs said:
Need more info before putting foot in mouth.Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in this country? Sheesh.
:thumbup: I'll believe this when he's proven guilty. My cousin is friends with Marvin from high school. I've gotten several opportunities to hang out with him. Always been a very nice, polite guy. I'm by no means claiming to be buds with Marvin or know him very well, but from my own experiences and everything my cousin has told me, I'd be surprised if he's guilty. Last time I saw Marvin was last summer. I'm not likely to see him again anytime soon, but if I talk to my cousin and he's talked to Marvin, I'll let you guys know what he says.
They are actually terrible posts. The Court of Public Opinion carries no such responsibility to assume innocence.
:pickle:
 
They just said he has 25 guns registered in his name...who needs 25 freakin guns???
What difference does it make how many guns he owns? You got money you tend to collect things. Guns are just inanimate objects until some body pulls the trigger, just a like vehicle isn't going to run someone over sitting in your driveway. I'm sure there are many gun owners posting at FBG's, not every one here is a puny left wing nut job.Regardless not looking good for one of the NFL's prolific Wide Receivers.
 
NorrisB said:
If it was really Marvin Harrison, how can he not catch the victim? Youd think he'd be able to run down any average joe.If Harrison is guilty, I guess it tells you its the silent ones you have to worry about.
Amen.
 
Mikey16x said:
wow, total shocker... I can't believe as i read this. He always seemed so laid back. This isn't even a nothing kind of charge, I have a horrible gut feeling that we've seen the end of marvin in indy and possibly from the NFL. It's hard to believe if they cut him at his age he'd even want to pursue a career with any other NFL team since he is very accomplished with absolutely nothing left to prove. Also, the "bruised" knee might come into a factor if he had to pass any kind of physical.
Hopefully we've heard the end of the T.O. needs to take a lesson from Marvin crap. Haveing a big mouth doesnt make a criminal character.
 
That suit was dismissed. Your links are from 2005. Here's a current one: Link
Harrison was sued following the 2005 Pro Bowl when three boys accused him of attacking them when they tried to get his autograph. The suit alleged Harrison "violently and physically attacked" the minors, including placing a "potentially deadly choke hold" on one of the boys, but it was later dismissed.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
That suit was dismissed. Your links are from 2005. Here's a current one: Link
Harrison was sued following the 2005 Pro Bowl when three boys accused him of attacking them when they tried to get his autograph. The suit alleged Harrison "violently and physically attacked" the minors, including placing a "potentially deadly choke hold" on one of the boys, but it was later dismissed.
"Dismissed" can either mean voluntarily dismissed as part of a settlement, or dismissed by the court (I have little confidence in the media picking up on such subtleties).
 
He's got the money to find a fall-man...I assume he'll find one...if he is indeed guilty and there were no witnesses, of course...

 
If you guys think this is shocking, I heard Kurt Warner tried to strangle a girl scout yesterday because she was out of Thin Mints.

 
I'm gonna assume innocent until proven on this one.
radballs said:
Need more info before putting foot in mouth.Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in this country? Sheesh.
:goodposting: I'll believe this when he's proven guilty. My cousin is friends with Marvin from high school. I've gotten several opportunities to hang out with him. Always been a very nice, polite guy. I'm by no means claiming to be buds with Marvin or know him very well, but from my own experiences and everything my cousin has told me, I'd be surprised if he's guilty. Last time I saw Marvin was last summer. I'm not likely to see him again anytime soon, but if I talk to my cousin and he's talked to Marvin, I'll let you guys know what he says.
They are actually terrible posts. The Court of Public Opinion carries no such responsibility to assume innocence.
:sarcasm:
Wrong in my opinion. The "how about innocent until proven guilty?" are not terrible posts. Not even close.But you're right that the court of public opinion doesn't carry a responsibility to assume innocence. There is a reason why National Enquirer sells a zillion papers every week. Some people don't want the truth to get in the way of a great story.J
 
To keep track so far: the injured little girl in the initial story has become a boy. The carwash has become a car detailing shop. The gun in a bucket has become a gun Harrison handed over to police. The seven shots have become either 6 or 5.

The shooting occurred about 5 p.m. Tuesday up the block from a garage and car detail shop that Harrison owns at 25th and Thompson streets, police said. Six shots were fired in all during the incident. An unidentified 32-year-old man - who had just been involved in a fistfight with Harrison - took a bullet to the hand. A 2-year-old boy suffered a cut under his eye from shards of glass that showered the area when an errant bullet exploded through a car windshield, police said.

From there, the story gets complicated.

The gunshot victim was dropped off at Lankenau Hospital in Wynnewood. Initially, the man told investigators that he had been wounded while driving on 61st Street in West Philly, police sources said. Eventually, though, he acknowledged that he had been shot in North Philly. The man refused, however, to identify the person who wounded him.

Investigators later learned that the gunshot victim had been kicked out of Harrison's bar, Playmakers, on 28th Street near Cambridge, two weeks earlier, and had bickered with Harrison ever since, sources said.

On Wednesday, detectives visited Harrison's garage and detail shop, which he purchased in 2006 for $200,000, according to tax records. Sources said that Harrison had a Belgian firearm, an FN5.7, in his garage. Harrison handed the high-powered weapon - which fires armor-piercing rounds - over to investigators. He then spent about four hours at Central Detectives, accompanied by his attorney, Jerome Brown. Neither Brown nor Harrison's agent, Tom Condon, could be reached for comment last night. During a lengthy interview, Harrison acknowledged owning the gun and being involved in a fistfight on Tuesday, but said he had nothing to do with the shooting, sources told the Daily News. Investigators informed him that ballistics tests confirmed that five of the six shell casings found at the shooting scene came from his gun, the sources said.

Last night, detectives were searching for another man who contacted them and claimed that he had been shot by Harrison, although that report remains unconfirmed, sources said. Harrison, meanwhile, has not been charged with any wrong-doing. "No one has actually come in here and said that he shot them, and we don't have any witnesses," one investigator noted.
Philly.com link
 
I'm gonna assume innocent until proven on this one.
radballs said:
Need more info before putting foot in mouth.Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in this country? Sheesh.
:thumbup: I'll believe this when he's proven guilty. My cousin is friends with Marvin from high school. I've gotten several opportunities to hang out with him. Always been a very nice, polite guy. I'm by no means claiming to be buds with Marvin or know him very well, but from my own experiences and everything my cousin has told me, I'd be surprised if he's guilty. Last time I saw Marvin was last summer. I'm not likely to see him again anytime soon, but if I talk to my cousin and he's talked to Marvin, I'll let you guys know what he says.
They are actually terrible posts. The Court of Public Opinion carries no such responsibility to assume innocence.
:lmao:
Wrong in my opinion. The "how about innocent until proven guilty?" are not terrible posts. Not even close.But you're right that the court of public opinion doesn't carry a responsibility to assume innocence. There is a reason why National Enquirer sells a zillion papers every week. Some people don't want the truth to get in the way of a great story.J
I agree with Joe.You guys can side with the Court of Public opinion. I'd love to have you guys in my league. I'll go with the US court system. The one that actually carries real effects on players and on how the NFL punishes players. I remember a lot of people saying "so what" about Mike Vick. Same for a lot of steroid users. You guys can go by the Court of Public Opinion and take those players as your starters next year. So what if the US courts found them guilty and they're now in jail/on suspension? The Court of Public opinion found them innocent. Or vice versa. Let's look at players who are innocent and not draft them because the Court of Public Opinion found them guilty. :lmao:
 
I think Marvin's case just got shoved way to the back of the Phila. Police Department's priorities. (Port Richmond is a Philadelphia neighborhood)

PORT RICHMOND - May 3, 2008 (WPVI) -- A gunman shot and killed a police officer during a bank robbery late this morning. According to police, as many as three suspects held up a bank inside a Shop Rite in the 3500 block of Aramingo Avenue around 11:45 a.m. The officer, a sergeant from the 24th District, was shot while attempting to arrest one of the suspects on the 2500 block of E. Schiller Street, police said. The officer was shot three times, suffering wounds to the face and abdomen. He was rushed to Northeast Hospital then transferred to Temple University Hospital, where he later died. One suspect was shot in the 500 block of E. Louden Street and later died at Einstein Medical Center. The suspects are described as 3 black males with dreadlock wigs, one standing at 6'3" - 6'5" and the other two at 6'1". They were reportedly wearing Muslim garb. Police say a black or blue Jeep was involved in the getaway. At least one suspect is still at large. Action News will have further information as soon as it becomes available.
 
To keep track so far: the injured little girl in the initial story has become a boy. The carwash has become a car detailing shop. The gun in a bucket has become a gun Harrison handed over to police. The seven shots have become either 6 or 5.
What's the need for this? Didn't our little Court of Public Opinion already find him guilty?
 
Wrong in my opinion. The "how about innocent until proven guilty?" are not terrible posts. Not even close.But you're right that the court of public opinion doesn't carry a responsibility to assume innocence. There is a reason why National Enquirer sells a zillion papers every week. Some people don't want the truth to get in the way of a great story.J
These days the media are more concerned with entertainment thn any real news. They are all tabloids now. In political coverage flag pins and what Obama's; ex pastor said are the focus. Who cares?
 
The facts here still need to be developed and confirmed. That said there is a point upon which I would like to comment. It has been brought up that Marvin may have been defending himself. It is not self defense to chase a person out of a business and through the streets firing multiple shots at the fleeing person injurying bystanders. Self defense here is among the wildest of speculation based on the story so far. I grant you it seems to be changing, but that sort of speculation needs substantial fact developement before this case even begins to sniff taking that sort of turn.

 
I hate to make this reference but I haven't been this shocked at an alleged crime since OJ was accused of murder. I am still going to presume Marvin is innocent as I did with OJ when the news first came out, but I wouldn't be surprised if, like OJ, there is a side to Marvin that a lot of us didn't know about that is going to become public now.

 
I'm gonna assume innocent until proven on this one.
radballs said:
Need more info before putting foot in mouth.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in this country? Sheesh.
:lmao: I'll believe this when he's proven guilty.

My cousin is friends with Marvin from high school. I've gotten several opportunities to hang out with him. Always been a very nice, polite guy. I'm by no means claiming to be buds with Marvin or know him very well, but from my own experiences and everything my cousin has told me, I'd be surprised if he's guilty.

Last time I saw Marvin was last summer. I'm not likely to see him again anytime soon, but if I talk to my cousin and he's talked to Marvin, I'll let you guys know what he says.
They are actually terrible posts. The Court of Public Opinion carries no such responsibility to assume innocence.
:lmao:
Wrong in my opinion. The "how about innocent until proven guilty?" are not terrible posts. Not even close.But you're right that the court of public opinion doesn't carry a responsibility to assume innocence. There is a reason why National Enquirer sells a zillion papers every week. Some people don't want the truth to get in the way of a great story.

J
I agree with Joe.You guys can side with the Court of Public opinion. I'd love to have you guys in my league.

I'll go with the US court system. The one that actually carries real effects on players and on how the NFL punishes players. I remember a lot of people saying "so what" about Mike Vick. Same for a lot of steroid users. You guys can go by the Court of Public Opinion and take those players as your starters next year. So what if the US courts found them guilty and they're now in jail/on suspension? The Court of Public opinion found them innocent. Or vice versa. Let's look at players who are innocent and not draft them because the Court of Public Opinion found them guilty.

:yes:
BTW, what does the bolded statement have to do with the price of tea in China or the subject at hand?Since it is unlikely I'm going to sit on a jury for this case (unless they for some odd reason move it clear across the state), I am free to pass judgment. I am also free to withhold judgment as well. The fact that I or anyone else here has an opinion DOES leave us open to being wrong. In fact, the only people on this board who are never wrong are those who have never posted an opinion or projection.

I don't what to think about this at the moment; considering the fluid nature of the *ahem* "reporting" on this story, I think I'll sit back and give 88 the benefit of the doubt. When the story seems to coalesce around a consistent chain of events, then I may change.

Just because something happened doesn't mean I have to check my opinion at the door.

 
BTW, what does the bolded statement have to do with the price of tea in China or the subject at hand?
Connect it with that I said after. People who go by "the court of public opinion" instead of actual court. i'd love to see them draft accordingly. ie still drafting mike vick, etc. and not drafting players that are innocent because the "court of public opinion" found them guilty.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I think Marvin's case just got shoved way to the back of the Phila. Police Department's priorities. (Port Richmond is a Philadelphia neighborhood)

PORT RICHMOND - May 3, 2008 (WPVI) -- A gunman shot and killed a police officer during a bank robbery late this morning. According to police, as many as three suspects held up a bank inside a Shop Rite in the 3500 block of Aramingo Avenue around 11:45 a.m. The officer, a sergeant from the 24th District, was shot while attempting to arrest one of the suspects on the 2500 block of E. Schiller Street, police said. The officer was shot three times, suffering wounds to the face and abdomen. He was rushed to Northeast Hospital then transferred to Temple University Hospital, where he later died. One suspect was shot in the 500 block of E. Louden Street and later died at Einstein Medical Center. The suspects are described as 3 black males with dreadlock wigs, one standing at 6'3" - 6'5" and the other two at 6'1". They were reportedly wearing Muslim garb. Police say a black or blue Jeep was involved in the getaway. At least one suspect is still at large. Action News will have further information as soon as it becomes available.
Bump Marvin back up a little in redrafts.
 
The D.A. in Philly is taking over the case, and Harrison will be asked to answer more questions next week.

-ESPN
Here's a link to what you heard on ESPN.
According to ESPN's Sal Paolantonio, the case will be taken over by Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham. Paolantonio also reports that the case is now on the back burner as police searched for bank robbery suspects who killed a police officer in North Philadelphia this weekend.
 
BTW, what does the bolded statement have to do with the price of tea in China or the subject at hand?
Connect it with that I said after. People who go by "the court of public opinion" instead of actual court. i'd love to see them draft accordingly. ie still drafting mike vick, etc. and not drafting players that are innocent because the "court of public opinion" found them guilty.
Please keep the FF angle out of this; this is somebody's son we're talking about here.
 
Not much change. Marvin Harrison is washed up, anyways, so I was expecting AG to outproduce Harrison next year even before this incident occured.

 
BTW, what does the bolded statement have to do with the price of tea in China or the subject at hand?
Connect it with that I said after. People who go by "the court of public opinion" instead of actual court. i'd love to see them draft accordingly. ie still drafting mike vick, etc. and not drafting players that are innocent because the "court of public opinion" found them guilty.
Please keep the FF angle out of this; this is somebody's son we're talking about here.
:confused: Look at the rest of this thread. :rolleyes:
 
TIFWIW...

A friend of mine who currently works in an NFL-related business and used to work very closely with Tony Dungy told me yesterday that he talked to someone in Indy, and they said Harrison is "done with football".

 
TIFWIW...A friend of mine who currently works in an NFL-related business and used to work very closely with Tony Dungy told me yesterday that he talked to someone in Indy, and they said Harrison is "done with football".
Hope you're right...(Anthony Gonzalez dynasty owner)
 
TIFWIW...A friend of mine who currently works in an NFL-related business and used to work very closely with Tony Dungy told me yesterday that he talked to someone in Indy, and they said Harrison is "done with football".
and he passed out at 31 Flavors last night. Sounds pretty serious.
 
TIFWIW...

A friend of mine who currently works in an NFL-related business and used to work very closely with Tony Dungy told me yesterday that he talked to someone in Indy, and they said Harrison is "done with football".
By that do you mean "someone within the Colts organization"?
 
TIFWIW...

A friend of mine who currently works in an NFL-related business and used to work very closely with Tony Dungy told me yesterday that he talked to someone in Indy, and they said Harrison is "done with football".
By that do you mean "someone within the Colts organization"?
Yes. Not on the coaching staff, but someone who works with the coaches.
 
Here's what PFT is reporting this morning-

WILD CLAIMS IN HARRISON CASE

Posted by Mike Florio on May 6, 2008, 7:01 a.m.

We were alerted last night to some eye-popping claims regarding the Marvin Harrison case made by Philly sports anchor Keith Russell during a Monday afternoon radio spot in Miami. And so we tracked down the audio, and we have given it a listen.

Appearing with Jason Jackson on WQAM, Russell said that his sources tell him that the guy who was allegedly shot in the hand after leaving Harrison’s bar last Tuesday had come to the establishment to carry out a gangland-style “hit.”

A “hit” on Harrison.

Seriously.

Russell said during the segment that the issue relates to Harrison’s father, who is (per Russell) incarcerated, and that the supposed “hit” was in retaliation for something Harrison’s father supposedly had done.

Media sources in Philadelphia tell us that the contention, which Russell apparently hasn’t made on the air in his home market, is simply not true.

Russell also said that there are “people who are willing to do whatever is necessary” to keep Harrison from facing charges.

Now while this is unsubstanciated and unconfirmed, it might help explain why the guy that was shot in the hand isn't fingering Harrison as the shooter.

Up until now, I found that to be very bewildering. Even moreso, the Philadelphia police continue to report that they have no suspects. There certainly must be a lot more to this story than what's being reported thus far.

 
Here's what PFT is reporting this morning-

WILD CLAIMS IN HARRISON CASE

Posted by Mike Florio on May 6, 2008, 7:01 a.m.

We were alerted last night to some eye-popping claims regarding the Marvin Harrison case made by Philly sports anchor Keith Russell during a Monday afternoon radio spot in Miami. And so we tracked down the audio, and we have given it a listen.

Appearing with Jason Jackson on WQAM, Russell said that his sources tell him that the guy who was allegedly shot in the hand after leaving Harrison’s bar last Tuesday had come to the establishment to carry out a gangland-style “hit.”

A “hit” on Harrison.

Seriously.

Russell said during the segment that the issue relates to Harrison’s father, who is (per Russell) incarcerated, and that the supposed “hit” was in retaliation for something Harrison’s father supposedly had done.

Media sources in Philadelphia tell us that the contention, which Russell apparently hasn’t made on the air in his home market, is simply not true.

Russell also said that there are “people who are willing to do whatever is necessary” to keep Harrison from facing charges.

Now while this is unsubstanciated and unconfirmed, it might help explain why the guy that was shot in the hand isn't fingering Harrison as the shooter.

Up until now, I found that to be very bewildering. Even moreso, the Philadelphia police continue to report that they have no suspects. There certainly must be a lot more to this story than what's being reported thus far.
:lmao:
 
Not much info, but here's a little something new on the subject from CBSSports.com:

Harrison could face misdemeanor charges: The Indianapolis Star reports that Colts WR Marvin Harrison could be charged with a misdemeanor under Pennsylvania law for the April 29 shooting in Harrison's hometown of Philadelphia. He was questioned after a man was shot in the hand, and police confirmed a gun owned by Harrison was used in the incident. Harrison has not been called a suspect, and a spokesperson for the Philadelphia police department said Thursday there was no update in the ongoing investigation. The NFL continues to monitor the situation and could discipline Harrison depending on the legal outcome. Former Colts safety Mike Doss was suspended for the first two games of the 2005 season after he pleaded no contest to misdemeanor charges of discharging a firearm in public.

(Updated 06/13/2008).

Fantasy Analysis

Hopefully all will turn out OK for Harrison, who is also dealing with recovery from a knee injury. Keep an eye on what develops, but for now consider Harrison a low-end No. 2 Fantasy option in 2008.

(Updated 06/13/2008).

 
Not much info, but here's a little something new on the subject from CBSSports.com:

Harrison could face misdemeanor charges: The Indianapolis Star reports that Colts WR Marvin Harrison could be charged with a misdemeanor under Pennsylvania law for the April 29 shooting in Harrison's hometown of Philadelphia. He was questioned after a man was shot in the hand, and police confirmed a gun owned by Harrison was used in the incident. Harrison has not been called a suspect, and a spokesperson for the Philadelphia police department said Thursday there was no update in the ongoing investigation. The NFL continues to monitor the situation and could discipline Harrison depending on the legal outcome. Former Colts safety Mike Doss was suspended for the first two games of the 2005 season after he pleaded no contest to misdemeanor charges of discharging a firearm in public.

(Updated 06/13/2008).

Fantasy Analysis

Hopefully all will turn out OK for Harrison, who is also dealing with recovery from a knee injury. Keep an eye on what develops, but for now consider Harrison a low-end No. 2 Fantasy option in 2008.

(Updated 06/13/2008).
:sadbanana: How is this even possible?
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top