DropKick
Footballguy
Sounds like he is over the ankle injury and it shouldn't be an issue going forward. I like Jones but I have this feeling he and Sanu will suppress each others value/opportunity.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
i don't think sanu is near the playmaker and my league agrees- can't even get a 4th round rookie pick for him
I was able to acquire him for a 6th round rookie pick (IDP league), so that seems consistent. I'm actually inclined to think both Jones and Sanu are undervalued because of the uncertainty about their target distribution.
Meatwad Reloaded
Footballguy
Nothing to see here except a chump that is always injured. Do not draft.
Faust
MVP
Jackson: Marvin Jones starting to look like himself
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000512614/article/jackson-marvin-jones-starting-to-look-like-himself
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000512614/article/jackson-marvin-jones-starting-to-look-like-himself
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Always believed in Marvin Jones talent coming out of Cal. Then he had that unfortunate foot injury that killed his season last year. Has not had the early season impact I expected, though he did have a sweet looking TD week 1. What are people doing with him? End of the bench bye week filler or waiver wire?
NREC34
Footballguy
bolldpt
Footballguy
Actually drafted him with last few round picks in 2 leagues. I was pleased with last weeks output vs week one. His snap count is higher than Sanu which is the opportunity you look for. If dalton and he can get some chemistry together I think he could have a decent to good year in standard leagues.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
My honest opinion as a Bengals fan is that he's really only rosterable in deep big leagues. The offense has become quite diversified - Hue has put in a ton of wrinkles. He's pretty a much a boom or bust proposition with all the mouths to feed in that offense:
AJ, Hill (or if necesssary Gio), Eifert all are going to get fed first. They like to mix in other guys (Sanu has gotten red-zone looks). They sneak stuff in for Burkhead. Hell, Jake Fisher went for a 31-yard catch last week. It's just not a standard offense in terms of 2nd receiver use. Green's locked up for 4 more years so the view isn't going to change for Marvin. Stash and hope or bye week flyer. Talented player, but upside I do not see.
-QG
AJ, Hill (or if necesssary Gio), Eifert all are going to get fed first. They like to mix in other guys (Sanu has gotten red-zone looks). They sneak stuff in for Burkhead. Hell, Jake Fisher went for a 31-yard catch last week. It's just not a standard offense in terms of 2nd receiver use. Green's locked up for 4 more years so the view isn't going to change for Marvin. Stash and hope or bye week flyer. Talented player, but upside I do not see.
-QG
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Week One. Bengals ran 65 offensive plays.
31 were runs
34 were passes
3 were targets to Marvin Jones (2 catches)
7 different receivers were targeted. Two players with 0 targets (Hill and um, Dalton) had carries.
Week Two. Bengals ran 62 offensive plays.
36 were runs
1 of those runs was by Jones
26 were passes
5 were targets to Marvin Jones (2 catches)
9 different receivers were targeted. Play Dalton had carries.
9 plays out of 127 were for Jones. It's just a balanced and diversified offense. It will take a very special circumstance/ridiculous mismatch to see him get big targets in a game outside of a change in circumstances.
-QG
31 were runs
34 were passes
3 were targets to Marvin Jones (2 catches)
7 different receivers were targeted. Two players with 0 targets (Hill and um, Dalton) had carries.
Week Two. Bengals ran 62 offensive plays.
36 were runs
1 of those runs was by Jones
26 were passes
5 were targets to Marvin Jones (2 catches)
9 different receivers were targeted. Play Dalton had carries.
9 plays out of 127 were for Jones. It's just a balanced and diversified offense. It will take a very special circumstance/ridiculous mismatch to see him get big targets in a game outside of a change in circumstances.
-QG
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Good analysis, but I suppose one could look at this differently.QuizGuy66 said:
Week 1 - Cincy blows out OAK and they don't target Jones much
Week 2 - Cincy in a close game and Jones gets 6 touches, scores a TD.
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You could very well be right, and in fact I'm leaning your direction, but after moving ahead of Sanu, getting 6 touches and scoring, Jones bought himself another week or two on the end of my roster. Admittedly, the wire in my league is thin.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Hmmm, Marvin is starting to look more attractive. AJ gonna get a lot of attention. Could see that TD machine of a few years ago come back. Haven't seen the snap counts, but he looked to be on the field in the 2 WR sets I saw
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
We'll see. A good week this week. But alas, Eifert wasn't targeted much (though he had that TD stupidly taken away). Sanu got an endzone look as well. I stand by my sense of him fantasywise (would be plenty glad as a Bengals fan to be proven wrong).
He's a complement not the guy. On a team with many to feed footballs to.
-QG
He's a complement not the guy. On a team with many to feed footballs to.
-QG
timbrah_ho
Footballguy
Have fun trying to guess which weeks to play him
CalBear
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Right, I think I am going to target Jones and Ginn as potential WR3 players. Jones is the boom/bust type that I can play in a week I feel I need something big, Ginn is a more steady play for when I feel I just need a safe play to put some points up.
CalBear
Footballguy
Prior to this week, Bloom, Dodds, and Tremblay all had him ranked outside the top 50 WRs in the Top 200 Forward. In the early projections for this week, Tremblay has him at #35 for week 4. I think that's probably low for him; he's below Nate Washington, Doug Baldwin, Allen Hurns. #24 is Michael Crabtree, Jarvis Landry territory, and he's probably not there yet. I'd group him around Stevie Johnson, Percy Harvin, in the high 20s.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I'm a fan. Marvin was in for 87% of the snaps last game. Teams have to respect AJ, and there is always an opportunity for Jones when that happens. He's a good player.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
High-end WR3 IMO. Great bye week fill-in or flex play. Currently WR31 in my PPR league, but the usage and production have increased the last 3 weeks.
Week 1: 43 snaps, 3 targets, 2 rec, 19 yds, 0 TD = 3.9 points
Week 2: 53 snaps, 5 targets, 2 rec, 48 yds, 1 TD + (1 rush for 3 yds) = 13.1 points
Week 3: 67 snaps, 8 targets, 5 rec, 94 yds, 1 TD = 20.4 points
More importantly, he looks the part (passes the eye test). His speed and route running are pretty good from what I have seen. A really nice one-handed grab for ~30 yards on the game winning drive. He's an injury away from being an every week starter IMO and a nice WR3/Flex guy to roster.
Week 1: 43 snaps, 3 targets, 2 rec, 19 yds, 0 TD = 3.9 points
Week 2: 53 snaps, 5 targets, 2 rec, 48 yds, 1 TD + (1 rush for 3 yds) = 13.1 points
Week 3: 67 snaps, 8 targets, 5 rec, 94 yds, 1 TD = 20.4 points
More importantly, he looks the part (passes the eye test). His speed and route running are pretty good from what I have seen. A really nice one-handed grab for ~30 yards on the game winning drive. He's an injury away from being an every week starter IMO and a nice WR3/Flex guy to roster.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The Ravens have had a couple strangely bad pass defense games. Crabtree had a ton of targets on them too. Two straight lousy games vs WR2s.
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He looked really good. Better than he ever has, I would say. And he seems destined for single coverage no matter how well he plays. With Cincy not being able to run the ball much and about to face a host of difficult opponents, there is a good chance he continues to post stats like this week's.
ponchsox
Footballguy
If Jones is a solid #2 on your team your receivers must be horrible. Solid #2 on the Bengals? Yes.
CalBear
Footballguy
That's what I meant; he's among the most solid of the group of complementary NFL receivers. He's not going to be Julio Jones, or even Keenan Allen, but he's better than Stevie Johnson.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Agreed but my concern is that the Bengals are going to lean more on the run as the season goes on since they have two really good RB and Jones is third after Green and Eifert. He needs to be rosettes but I wouldn't count on him as anything more than a depth guy. He's not James Jones in that offense.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
That snap count his huge. He's my flex going forward with Julio, Evans and S. Smith. Bye weeks he'll be WR3. Can put up some monster games, good in the red zone.
Denver724
Footballguy
Futz
Footballguy
Too much for sure but he will always be a boom or bust WR4, He dropped a potential 60 yard TD today. Keep in it perspective and he will be a decent bench guy.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Jones has continued to have some very good games in the Cincy offense. Anyone have any opinion or info on his usage vs Green and Sanu. I'm really tempted to let him roll as a WR3/flex coining out of the bye.
Player TM Wk1 Wk2 Wk3 Wk4 Wk5 Wk6 Targ T/TmG T/G REC YD Y/R TD Rec%
A.J. Green CIN 8 4 13 10 8 7 --- 50 8.3 8.3 35 531 15.2 3 70.0
Tyler Eifert CIN 12 5 3 4 12 4 --- 40 6.7 6.7 28 342 12.2 6 70.0
Marvin Jones CIN 3 5 8 2 8 12 --- 38 6.3 6.3 24 321 13.4 3 63.2
Mohamed Sanu CIN 3 2 4 6 5 4 --- 24 4.0 4.0 16 260 16.2 0 66.7
Giovani Bernard CIN 6 3 4 0 8 2 --- 23 3.8 3.8 18 119 6.6 0 78.3
Team targets are above. - Keep in mind Green went nuts Week 3 for 13/10/227/2.
Last two weeks he has faced Seattle and Buffalo.
He's got a nice schedule upcoming:
Chi
Pit
GB
Cle
NE
Player TM Wk1 Wk2 Wk3 Wk4 Wk5 Wk6 Targ T/TmG T/G REC YD Y/R TD Rec%
A.J. Green CIN 8 4 13 10 8 7 --- 50 8.3 8.3 35 531 15.2 3 70.0
Tyler Eifert CIN 12 5 3 4 12 4 --- 40 6.7 6.7 28 342 12.2 6 70.0
Marvin Jones CIN 3 5 8 2 8 12 --- 38 6.3 6.3 24 321 13.4 3 63.2
Mohamed Sanu CIN 3 2 4 6 5 4 --- 24 4.0 4.0 16 260 16.2 0 66.7
Giovani Bernard CIN 6 3 4 0 8 2 --- 23 3.8 3.8 18 119 6.6 0 78.3
Team targets are above. - Keep in mind Green went nuts Week 3 for 13/10/227/2.
Last two weeks he has faced Seattle and Buffalo.
He's got a nice schedule upcoming:
Chi
Pit
GB
Cle
NE
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ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
I'm rolling him out as a WR4/flex. I don't know if I would be comfortable with him as a WR3 even though he is one on paper. The thing about him is you have to start him every week to benefit from his sporadic usage. If you start playing matchups and spot start him, he will frustrate you on some weeks due to low usage. Then you bench him and he blows up. Start him every week and live with the few inevitable 2-3 point games.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
Diggs >>> jones and its not close
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Agreed. They are probably very close from a talent perspective. But Diggs has usurped everyone in front of him. Jones will never overtake Green or Eifert. Ever.
