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Mason Rudolph’s apology (1 Viewer)
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Godsbrother
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I think they were asking his teammates if Garrett told them after the game that Rudolph used racial slursBobcat10 said:
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I think this is totally fair.travdogg said:
The only thing I really disagree with is arm strength. He measured pretty poorly at the combine in the ball velocity metric.
I probably should have said inconsistent accuracy, because he does hit those crossing routes in stride fairly well.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Driving home today I was listening to sports talk. Former Offensive Tackle Tyler Polumbus was on. He stated that in every game the NFL has mikes on two offensive linemen and generally also the Q.B. So the NFL can, after the game, review in game comments. This was news to me. If true the league would be in an informed position when it disbelieves Garrets claims, as apparently it has here. If not, I don't know why Mr. Polumbus would have made the claim. Perhaps somebody here would know whether this claim is true or not nd if so how to verify it.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I fully expect him to be re-instated next season and I don't have a problem with that. I will say that if it is true he made up the story of Rudolph using a racial slur that is reprehensible. Having the label of being a racist can stick with someone for life.
wormburner
Footballguy
I'm not challenging, disagreeing or otherwise trying to be a d*** about your post, I would just like to see the same push back to both sides of this racial crap.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I dont know if the specifics are true, but they have mics set up to catch the action on every play. Don't shoot the messenger as I'm getting this info third hand. I trust the guy relaying this info to me and the screen grabs he shared with me about local media trying to corroborate the story, but I do not know the source. I'm not going to say what his job is for obvious reasons, so I will just say he has access to this information. According to him, the racial slur is allegedly legit. It's on tape. It's clearly Rudolph. And NFL reps have instructed in writing to be discreet about it.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I don't think this post is cool when it is based on dubious information from an unknown source. Some things are better left unsaid until someone (anyone) will go on record but this is the kind of world we live in now: Just throw crap against the wall whether you know it is true or not.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I was intentionally very clear about not knowing the source. I also don't make it a habit of wandering around these boards making stuff up. Be skeptical. My intentions by posting were to also be open minded. I wasn't happy when I saw the news yesterday because I want the story to go away, but I also think the rush to judgment by some were a mistake. None of us know the story (yet). Let the facts come out before making decisions.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Wouldn’t the NFL have way more to lose by trying to cover this up than by immediately suspending Rudolph as well? If your source is legit and there is tape that proves Garrett’s claim the NFL brass would be idiots (I guess that’s not so far fetched) to try and bury it.
amnesiac
beer is good
one would think.
hey, where are those tapes that the Patriots recorded of the Rams practice before the Super Bowl?
amnesiac
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MAC_32
Footballguy
They would, but they've also done dumber. My eyebrow was raised looking at my phone last night as the texts were streaming in until I saw the screen grabs from the local media guy. Not one of the axe grinders on the Browns beat either. A legit one. When I read 'we have a source who knows what Rudolph said but is too scared to let us write it...I am hoping XXXXX would tell us what he knew and let me see the email he has so we can put 2 and 2 together' my jaw dropped.
There's smoke, but is there fire?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I am definitely not trying to ridicule anyone and I am not accusing MAC of having bad intentions.
All I am saying that his post is giving credence to an accusation that thus far has no evidence, especially when he says he "trust the guy", the slur is "on tape" and it was "clearly Rudolph". What is one to conclude from that?
The NFL has done an investigation and concluded it is baseless. Unless his source is going to produce evidence to the contrary then we have no other facts to base our decisions on. And until that time I think that posts like MAC's are reckless.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
But this could actually make them look good if there was tape and they acted on it immediately. If they cover this up and it comes out they potentially lose a large portion of their fanbase forever.
And I’m not attacking MAC for posting the story or information from his sources, just trying to look at it logically and questioning the source.
Obviously I do not know what did or didn’t happen but as far as following Occum’s Razor I have major doubts that this latest racism charge wasn’t more than a desperation attempt by Garrett’s reps to garner some sympathy for his heinous and frankly criminal act.
Now it it comes out Rudolph did use a slur, while it wouldn’t absolve Garrett completely, it would make it a case of two idiots instead of just one.
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MAC_32
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wormburner
Footballguy
Mike Florio just finished a segment with Tony Dungy on ProFootballTalk on this subject. Tony stated that this slur is unfortunately used frequently during football games. Even if Garrett’s accusation is true, according to Tony, nothing excuses his response.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The only "smoke" we have is from an anonymous poster on a internet website from an unnamed texter. If he is so scared to report it then he maybe he shouldn't be texting about it.They would, but they've also done dumber. My eyebrow was raised looking at my phone last night as the texts were streaming in until I saw the screen grabs from the local media guy. Not one of the axe grinders on the Browns beat either. A legit one. When I read 'we have a source who knows what Rudolph said but is too scared to let us write it...I am hoping XXXXX would tell us what he knew and let me see the email he has so we can put 2 and 2 together' my jaw dropped.
There's smoke, but is there fire?
Just to be clear I an not calling you a liar but I think you should be more careful about your information that can ruin another's reputation. I'll stop posting now...
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Can you post the link to that local media guy making the claim? (that screen shot came from somewhere) - that would probably help clear up what you’re trying to say a little.They would, but they've also done dumber. My eyebrow was raised looking at my phone last night as the texts were streaming in until I saw the screen grabs from the local media guy. Not one of the axe grinders on the Browns beat either. A legit one. When I read 'we have a source who knows what Rudolph said but is too scared to let us write it...I am hoping XXXXX would tell us what he knew and let me see the email he has so we can put 2 and 2 together' my jaw dropped.
There's smoke, but is there fire?
MAC_32
Footballguy
If I'm not reading stuff about the race card yesterday then I'm not posting what I did this morning. Preconceived bias and limited info led to yesterday's knee jerks. I'm not relaying uncorroborated info if we aren't currently in that environment. We are though. So I think a reminder to hit pause on judgment until the facts are actually known is just. Again, I'm not expecting anyone to believe what I'm saying. But I do expect anyone reading this to take a step back and keep an open mind. Anyone that doesn't is the problem.
MAC_32
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
from my perspective, I am not trying to excuse what Garrett did. there is no excuse.
I understand the "I won't use my real name here and I can't back this up in any way and nobody will go on record with this, but I heard this from a guy and I won't tell you his name" thing. That can sometimes be useful when it's super clear and stated just like that.
I'll sometimes (rarely) do the same saying, "I'm hearing ______". It's different as I'm using my real name and have to deal with the fallout if it all turns out wrong.
So I'm not saying we can't ever do that here. I'm saying when we accuse real people we have to be SUPER careful with it as that's how fake news starts.
And the story never stays, "An anonymous guy using a fake name on Footballguys relayed something he heard from people who won't go on the record or give their names or provide any screenshots for what they're talking about".
It becomes "Footballguys said __________"
With that said, you've said and relayed what you heard. We get it. Until you have more with verified on the record things or screenshots or links, let's let this be enough with the accusations. Thanks.
I'll sometimes (rarely) do the same saying, "I'm hearing ______". It's different as I'm using my real name and have to deal with the fallout if it all turns out wrong.
So I'm not saying we can't ever do that here. I'm saying when we accuse real people we have to be SUPER careful with it as that's how fake news starts.
And the story never stays, "An anonymous guy using a fake name on Footballguys relayed something he heard from people who won't go on the record or give their names or provide any screenshots for what they're talking about".
It becomes "Footballguys said __________"
With that said, you've said and relayed what you heard. We get it. Until you have more with verified on the record things or screenshots or links, let's let this be enough with the accusations. Thanks.
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Ditkaless Wonders
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Edited. I responded before seeing that Joe had opined on the matter. I believe I would want his opinion to be the last substantive comment on the issue on which I was commenting so I deleted that comment.
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Copeman
Footballguy
No. It's not.
I watch the games. He has no weapons. And the gameplan/play calling isn't up to him.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
OK... Well I guess the Steelers coaches disagree with you.
The point about the game plan was that the coaches don't trust him at all.
Since you watch the games, what do you think Rudolph is good at? What do you see that makes you think he has what it takes?
Copeman
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Yes, and does it even matter?
The fact the Rudolph is getting yanked for Duck in the first place, plus the neutering of the gameplan that is only necessary to compensate for inept QB play should tell you all you need to know.
Starting over Duck means nothing. The fact that we are wondering whether he will or not speaks volumes.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
If Rudolph starts he will be on the shortest of leashes but I REALLY think it is a bad idea. The fans will turn on Rudolph on the first sack, interception, or 3-and-out. It would be best to let Duck start and see how far he takes you. If he does well then great and if he stinks it will be easier going to Rudolph.
Chaka
Footballguy
It seems like Rudolph is thinking too much and reacting too slowly and the scrutiny from the incident with Garrett may be getting to him.
Throw in that defensive coordinators have more tape on him and his depleted weapons and I am not sure he is going to be able to salvage anything this season.
He may have the physical tools but I now question his mental toughness. Look at a guy like Kyle Allen, I am not sure he is any more physically gifted than Rudolph (I think, on paper most would say he is far less so) but dude is nails mentally. He ####s the bed and immediately forgets about it and rebounds strong. Allen went toe-to-toe with the NO offense and would have won, but for Joey Slye getting an untimely case of the yips. He exudes confidence and backs it up.
I don't see that in Rudolph, I see a guy worrying about making a mistake and playing accordingly. He wasn't pulled yesterday because the team was getting killed like Carr or Rodgers, he was pulled because he couldn't hang with Ryan Finley and the winless Cincinatti Bengals.
Throw in that defensive coordinators have more tape on him and his depleted weapons and I am not sure he is going to be able to salvage anything this season.
He may have the physical tools but I now question his mental toughness. Look at a guy like Kyle Allen, I am not sure he is any more physically gifted than Rudolph (I think, on paper most would say he is far less so) but dude is nails mentally. He ####s the bed and immediately forgets about it and rebounds strong. Allen went toe-to-toe with the NO offense and would have won, but for Joey Slye getting an untimely case of the yips. He exudes confidence and backs it up.
I don't see that in Rudolph, I see a guy worrying about making a mistake and playing accordingly. He wasn't pulled yesterday because the team was getting killed like Carr or Rodgers, he was pulled because he couldn't hang with Ryan Finley and the winless Cincinatti Bengals.
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Steeler
Footballguy
I think this is especially true since CLE is the opponent this week. Since Rudolph isn't playing well (for whatever reason), it's probably best to keep him on the sidelines this week.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
But before you read a scripted statement you have to say "And I will be not taking any questions after"And to the point about the apology: Of course it was scripted. Everyone reads scripted statements. Not reading a scripted statement in that situation is beyond stupid.
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