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Mason Rudolph’s apology (1 Viewer)

I predicted this in my head

Garrett is accusing Rudolph of using a slur.

My gut tells me this is a lie.

 
I don't like Rudolph.  I'd be very surprised if he wasn't racist.  But I seriously doubt he dropped an n-bomb.  Garrett is desperate and willing to say anything.

 
Don Hutson said:
I don't like Rudolph.  I'd be very surprised if he wasn't racist.  But I seriously doubt he dropped an n-bomb.  Garrett is desperate and willing to say anything.
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You’d be very surprised if he wasn’t racist?  Do you have something to back that up with?  Just curious because that’s a pretty strong accusation.

 
Wow Garrett just upped the ante. If true will probably be Rudolph’s career.....if not hope Rudolph moves forward with charges and goes after him 110% legally. Not sure how you prove it, if true it’s coming out pretty late. Would think he would be so mad after game he mentioned it then. 

 
If Friday Night Lights taught us anything, it's that a player will tend to turn to the race card to get himself out of trouble.

Considering you can see Rudolph call the lineman who shoved him from behind a tame "*******," I would tend to think this is a lie. And when would Rudolph have called him this? Mid-sack?

 
Aren’t a ton of people “mic’d up” every game?

Do we know who was Mic’d up that night?

Feel like nfl films usually have a ton of audio from the games, that this could pretty easily be proven/disproven.

 
Here's my thought, if he truly dropped a racial slur, would his teammates have been so quick to defend him??

 
I’m disappointed Rudolph apologized. Garrett hung on to him and tackled him well after he had dished off the ball. This is all on Garrett - for tackling late and piling on and then for getting upset when Rudolph responded to it. 

 
MAC_32 said:
Fair, but I'm not bent out of shape over him. As I said in my first post in this thread I don't think he's long for the league. If he is remembered for anything it will be due to this incident. Otherwise he'll be just one of the many terrible and forgotten quarterbacks that came before him. I just think what happened Thursday will expedite that exit. Not just what happened at the end of the game or during - all of it. There are worse backup quarterbacks that have lasted in the league, but mental makeup is the priority. He doesn't have it and that was obvious before showing up to read a prepared statement.
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I believe it to be far too early to judge him.  The sample size of work is far too little, IMO.  Obviously your opinion is to the contrary.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I am fascinated by the perspective that Rudolph instigated this.  as I watched it I saw Rudolph dump the ball off in a meaningless play that could not have possibly effected the game in the waning seconds.  The game, a disappointing game for Rudolph, no doubt, was all but over.  Garret, having seen the pass, or at least looking right at it continued on to Rudolph.  He needlessly wrapped him up and then he wrestled him to the ground, swinging him side to side to get him down. A more needless hit on the Q.B. I cannot recall.  To me that was the instigation here.  Those that say Rudolph instigated this by his response once on the ground seem, to me, to be picking a very strange start point for the incident.  Still, that opinion or impression does seem a bit more prevalent than I would ever have imagined.  
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I agree 1000% 

 
This is all a contrived plot to keep Mason from getting killed in two weeks.  The Browns will want to exact revenge and are pissed off.  The game is going to have some ugly hits throughout if the refs do not drop the hammer immediately.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I believe it to be far too early to judge him.  The sample size of work is far too little, IMO.  Obviously your opinion is to the contrary.
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Oh yeah, but that was before he withered away Thursday. That was just a result of accumulating ineptitude, among other things.

There's good reason the Pittsburgh pass offense went conservative once they had to call his number. There is nothing about him to build off of as a quarterback. His internal clock is non existent. His off platform throws don't have zip and aren't accurate. Duck and cover if he gets on the move because he doesn't have the wheels to be a threat on the move and you can see in his body language that he's trying to rush everything, which not surprisingly leads to bad decision making.

All of that is why the Steelers pass offense is either a quick pass near the line of scrimmage or down field along the sideline. Its only intent is to put him in a position to not lose the game.

 
tangfoot said:
This is all a contrived plot to keep Mason from getting killed in two weeks.  The Browns will want to exact revenge and are pissed off.  The game is going to have some ugly hits throughout if the refs do not drop the hammer immediately.
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I'll be very surprised if both teams are not officially warned before the game begins.

 
MAC_32 said:
Oh yeah, but that was before he withered away Thursday. That was just a result of accumulating ineptitude, among other things.

There's good reason the Pittsburgh pass offense went conservative once they had to call his number. There is nothing about him to build off of as a quarterback. His internal clock is non existent. His off platform throws don't have zip and aren't accurate. Duck and cover if he gets on the move because he doesn't have the wheels to be a threat on the move and you can see in his body language that he's trying to rush everything, which not surprisingly leads to bad decision making.

All of that is why the Steelers pass offense is either a quick pass near the line of scrimmage or down field along the sideline. Its only intent is to put him in a position to not lose the game.
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To me that all seems fairly common to most inexperienced Q.B.'s.  that said, you may be correct, there may be something a bit more extreme with him.  I have not seen it but I have not watched his every start so my impression may not be as well informed as potentially is yours.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
To me that all seems fairly common to most inexperienced Q.B.'s.  that said, you may be correct, there may be something a bit more extreme with him.  I have not seen it but I have not watched his every start so my impression may not be as well informed as potentially is yours.
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If anyone can state that a particular person is a bad football player after just a few games, it is a Browns fan.

:shrug:

 
tangfoot said:
This is all a contrived plot to keep Mason from getting killed in two weeks.  The Browns will want to exact revenge and are pissed off.  The game is going to have some ugly hits throughout if the refs do not drop the hammer immediately.
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Absolutely.  Need to have a great crew there with quick whistles.

His apology has Pittsburgh brass written all over it. 

 
MAC_32 said:
Oh yeah, but that was before he withered away Thursday. That was just a result of accumulating ineptitude, among other things.

There's good reason the Pittsburgh pass offense went conservative once they had to call his number. There is nothing about him to build off of as a quarterback. His internal clock is non existent. His off platform throws don't have zip and aren't accurate. Duck and cover if he gets on the move because he doesn't have the wheels to be a threat on the move and you can see in his body language that he's trying to rush everything, which not surprisingly leads to bad decision making.

All of that is why the Steelers pass offense is either a quick pass near the line of scrimmage or down field along the sideline. Its only intent is to put him in a position to not lose the game.
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He has almost zero talent. 

Weak arm

Inaccurate arm

Slow to process reads

Bad pocket awareness and poor feel for the pocket

Makes bad decisions under pressure

Zero mobility

What does he do well? What raw talent is there to develop?

There is just nothing here. 

 
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LOL at all these armchair QB's.  They guy had a well over 90 QB rating in his first 5 or 6 games.  The last game he had for most of the game, practice squad receivers playing for him every down, and the last two games his receivers as a whole didn't do him any favors with the most drops I have seen in quite a while.  

Give me a break......

 
Copeman said:
They guy had a well over 90 QB rating in his first 5 or 6 games.
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He has only had 3 games with a quarterback rating above 90.  One of those games he threw for 112 yards.  Another one of those games he threw for 131 yards.  The other game was against the Bengals.  He has been Captain Checkdown all year.  But he hadn't had a truly bad game until last week.

 
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Don Hutson said:
He has only had 3 games with a quarterback rating above 90.  One of those games he threw for 112 yards.  Another one of those games he threw for 131 yards.  The other game was against the Bengals.  He has been Captain Checkdown all year.
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It was apparent from the get go that the Steelers were not going to have him slinging it down the field.  He was to be a game manager (smart for a 1st yr QB) and let the run game and defense try to win games. They said as much.

 
Don Hutson said:
He has only had 3 games with a quarterback rating above 90.  One of those games he threw for 112 yards.  Another one of those games he threw for 131 yards.  The other game was against the Bengals.  He has been Captain Checkdown all year.
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All started with that awful debut in San Francisco too. Gifted 4 turnovers in the first half and his offense net 1 first down and scored 6 points off them. 76 of his passing yards were due to a YAC play from JuJu and the 39 yard TD to Diontae Johnson was a blown coverage at Witherspoon's replacement immediately after he got injured. Those two plays were 66% of his 'production.' As unwatchable as that offense was at the time I didn't think much of it - debut, tough opponent. But every game since has been the exact same thing. Anyone still explaining it away at this point is just in denial. He's awful.

 
mozzy84 said:
I thought his apology was totally fine.  Who cares if he was looking at some notes?
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i don’t care that he had notes. he sounded really nervous. 
 

just thought the wording was lame and pretty sure he never said the words “I apologize”.  
 

but no, there was nothing really wrong with the statement. 

 
Copeman said:
LOL at all these armchair QB's.  They guy had a well over 90 QB rating in his first 5 or 6 games.  The last game he had for most of the game, practice squad receivers playing for him every down, and the last two games his receivers as a whole didn't do him any favors with the most drops I have seen in quite a while.  

Give me a break......
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This is pretty weak analysis. 

It's easy to have a high QB rating by padding your completion percentage by dumping off every single play. 

Watch the game.  Look at the game plan.  He is terrible. 

What does he do well?   What do you see that you can build on? There isn't even any raw talent here... other than his body is the right size and shape. 

 
kittenmittens said:
He has almost zero talent. 

Weak arm

Inaccurate arm

Slow to process reads

Bad pocket awareness and poor feel for the pocket

Makes bad decisions under pressure

Zero mobility

What does he do well? What raw talent is there to develop?

There is just nothing here. 
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I'd disagree with about half of that evaluation.

Rudolph has a good arm, and is plenty accurate. I agree he has very little mobility, and is slow to process reads, though that is not uncommon for inexperienced QB's, likewise for pocket awareness. 

He's not a world beater, but he has shown some ability and some promise. He's also been working with very little healthy talent around him. Not that you are doing it, but many are holding him to Roethlisberger standards, and that was always unrealistic. 

He always needed seasoning, he came from a very unique college offense, but I'd still call him an interesting, though lower ceiling prospect. My pre-draft comparison was Matt Schaub, or Brad Johnson if you wanna go back a ways, and I haven't seen enough to dissuade me from that yet. Those guys took time too.

I'm certainly not saying Rudolph is a franchise QB by any means, but I'm not ready to ship him to the XFL either.

 
travdogg said:
I'm certainly not saying Rudolph is a franchise QB by any means, but I'm not ready to ship him to the XFL either.
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He'll probably have a long career as a backup quarterback in the NFL.  A quality game manager quarterback is a nice asset for a team to have.  It is far better than a backup who is a truly bad quarterback.  The Steelers have gone 4-4 with him starting this season.

 
travdogg said:
I'd disagree with about half of that evaluation.

Rudolph has a good arm, and is plenty accurate. I agree he has very little mobility, and is slow to process reads, though that is not uncommon for inexperienced QB's, likewise for pocket awareness. 

He's not a world beater, but he has shown some ability and some promise. He's also been working with very little healthy talent around him. Not that you are doing it, but many are holding him to Roethlisberger standards, and that was always unrealistic. 

He always needed seasoning, he came from a very unique college offense, but I'd still call him an interesting, though lower ceiling prospect. My pre-draft comparison was Matt Schaub, or Brad Johnson if you wanna go back a ways, and I haven't seen enough to dissuade me from that yet. Those guys took time too.

I'm certainly not saying Rudolph is a franchise QB by any means, but I'm not ready to ship him to the XFL either.
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'The numbers are encouraging. But, similar to his time in Stillwater, the numbers are far more impressive than what Rudolph actually put on tape.'

 
As bad as Rudolph has been or is, he still has better numbers than Mayfield who has an overall better receiving corps and better running game.  
 

 
amnesiac said:
i don’t care that he had notes. he sounded really nervous. 
 

just thought the wording was lame and pretty sure he never said the words “I apologize”.  
 

but no, there was nothing really wrong with the statement. 
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The timing of it just got interesting too. 

 
Don Hutson said:
I don't like Rudolph.  I'd be very surprised if he wasn't racist.  But I seriously doubt he dropped an n-bomb.  Garrett is desperate and willing to say anything.
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It’s fine to not like Rudolph.

But your second sentence is wrong on multiple levels.

Maybe folks shouldn’t like you. 

 
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drm1125 said:
Maybe they didn't hear him? Plus, doesn't all teammates defend the QB? No matter how bad of a QB, or person he is?
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There were plenty of people within hearing distance of him. And no....I'm pretty confident a few of his teammates would of had a big problem with him.

 
You know I originally bought into the notion that Myles Garret was a decent dude that just got caught up in the moment.

Accusing someone of being a racist just so you can save face and shave a couple games of a suspension is pretty messed up.  Apparently no one on the Browns is backing him up and so now he doubles down.

 I think my first assessment was correct:  this guy is a bad news

 
Godsbrother said:
You know I originally bought into the notion that Myles Garret was a decent dude that just got caught up in the moment.

Accusing someone of being a racist just so you can save face and shave a couple games of a suspension is pretty messed up.  Apparently no one on the Browns is backing him up and so now he doubles down.

 I think my first assessment was correct:  this guy is a bad news
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the truth will come out eventually. 
 

Garrett saving face at some point will make the NFL money. 

 
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