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Mass Shooting at Orlando Nightclub (1 Viewer)

Arsenal of Doom said:
Mass shootings have happened with:

Muslims with guns

Christians with guns

Jews with guns

White people with guns

Black people with guns

LGBT people with guns

Straight people with guns

Mentally ill people with guns

Evil people with guns

Kids with guns

Too bad we can't figure out the common denominator. 
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Careful now. I got called pretty vicious names for bringing up this subject in l the Grimme tragedy thread yesterday (even though it was inadvertent.) People don't want to hear about this aspect. 

 
Muslim kills some people:

"Religion of peace my ###!"  "Typical" "See?  They're all a bunch of terrorists"

Christian shoots up/bombs an abortion clinic:

"It's not about religion...must be mental illness"

 
Arsenal of Doom said:
Mass shootings have happened with:

Muslims with guns

Christians with guns

Jews with guns

White people with guns

Black people with guns

LGBT people with guns

Straight people with guns

Mentally ill people with guns

Evil people with guns

Kids with guns

Too bad we can't figure out the common denominator. 
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It's not even about guns.  It's about the ability to kill so many in such little amount of time with these assault-style weapons.  There is no justification for them that wouldn't also pertain to rocket launchers which everyone with a brain seems to agree shouldn't be in the hands of the average person.  Why these AR15s and large ammunition drums aren't banned is beyond my comprehension.  

 
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shader said:
No matter what your religious beliefs or political beliefs are, surely you can admit that as long as there are easily accessible weapons that have the power to kill scores of people in a short time, the possibility of these awful events exist.
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Wow, this took waaaaay longer than I expected

 
Father of murderer says: “We are apologizing for the whole incident. We weren’t aware of any action he [was] taking," the father reportedly told NBC. "We are in shock like the whole country. This had nothing to do with religion."

 
Limp Ditka said:
Meant for TPW - my apologies
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understood, but TPW just appeared in the past page or so, the post you quoted me in was one of the first dozen or so in the thread, way back on page one - adding to the confusion.  

anyways, duly noted

just a sickening morning for all humanity, unspeakable horror 

 
Captain Cranks said:
It's not even about guns.  It's about the ability to kill so many in such little amount of time with these assault-style weapons.  There is no justification for them that wouldn't also pertain to rocket launchers which everyone with a brain seems to agree shouldn't be in the hands of the average person.  Why these AR15s and large ammunition drums aren't banned is beyond my comprehension.  
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I can't think of a single reason why a person needs an AR15 or similar weapon.  

 
to summarize:

guns are good/bad

muslims are bad

the right/left is responsible for this

tim is here to sort all this out for everyone

 
This hits all too close to home for me. I'm really not doing well this morning. Port St Lucie is just a few miles North of where I am in Jupiter, words cannot describe my disbelief.

I promoted and worked security for years in the 90s in Orlando and Tampa, this shouldn't shock me but it does. The gunman was born in the United States, seems like we are going to have a lot of these folks who feel the need to use Islam to carry out the wishes of their disturbed brains.

I couldn't believe when they announced it went from 20 all the way 50...20 is still way too many but this just sucks. 

 
Does anyone know how he was able to shoot 100 people by himself?  Honestly, that's unreal.  10 would be a lot for someone with what he had.  Was the club locked inside or does anyone think he had any help?  This doesn't seem possible by any means for one guy regardless of training.  Why wouldn't someone just rush him if he has a rifle?  Was there an explosion?  I don't think Chuck Norris could shoot 100 people by himself.   This isn't adding up for me.  

 
Captain Cranks said:
It's not even about guns.  It's about the ability to kill so many in such little amount of time with these assault-style weapons.  There is no justification for them that wouldn't also pertain to rocket launchers.  Why these AR15s and large ammunition drums aren't banned is beyond my comprehension.  
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The argument that I have heard from gun owners is that even if you ban these there will always be other guns that one can use to kill mass numbers of people just as easily. So all you're really doing is banning weapons that look or sound scarier when they're actually not either. And it's been pointed out that the Columbine shooting took place during the last time we had a ban on these weapons. 

That's the argument. I was swayed by it. 

 
3C's said:
Father of murderer says: “We are apologizing for the whole incident. We weren’t aware of any action he [was] taking," the father reportedly told NBC. "We are in shock like the whole country. This had nothing to do with religion."
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Riiiiiight

This lunatic learned this hate somewhere.  My guess is either video games or heavy metal music.

 
Arsenal of Doom said:
Mass shootings have happened with:

Muslims with guns

Christians with guns

Jews with guns

White people with guns

Black people with guns

LGBT people with guns

Straight people with guns

Mentally ill people with guns

Evil people with guns

Kids with guns

Too bad we can't figure out the common denominator. 
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There are 2 common denominators here. People and guns. It seems too late to get ride of either. 

 
3C's said:
Father of murderer says: “We are apologizing for the whole incident. We weren’t aware of any action he [was] taking," the father reportedly told NBC. "We are in shock like the whole country. This had nothing to do with religion."
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Of course it had something to do with religion, but that may not have been the primary motivator.  Humans are a crazy mix of beliefs.  Maybe his religion played a part, a movie he loved played a part, he was depressed and on drugs, he was a member of some website with strange beliefs, or maybe he was an admirer of ISIS.  

Could be a mix of all of the above as well as a million other things.

But what he did have was an automatic weapon that could kill and injure 100 people.  

There are a lot of evil people that would love to get their hands on nukes.  The reason we haven't had a nuclear war is that it's incredibly difficult to get a nuclear weapon.

As long as automatic weapons are easy to get, these type of events will happen from time to time when people snap.

 
dschuler said:
Does anyone know how he was able to shoot 100 people by himself?  Honestly, that's unreal.  10 would be a lot for someone with what he had.  Was the club locked inside or does anyone think he had any help?  This doesn't seem possible by any means for one guy regardless of training.  Why wouldn't someone just rush him if he has a rifle?  Was there an explosion?  I don't think Chuck Norris could shoot 100 people by himself.   This isn't adding up for me.  
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The question of why didn't they rush them always comes up. I hate to post this but in general people don't act well in crisis situations. I believe many of you would step in and do something but trying to rely on others to go along or do the same isn't always easy. These folks were likely drunk, stoned, and on narcotics, it's possible they were not thinking clearly. 

 
bananafish said:
To protect us from the government and/or take out AR15 wielding active shooters.

Are acts of terrorism and hate crimes necessarily mutually exclusive? Seems like both.
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To protect us from the government???  Look I hate to break it to you, but if the government wants you, your weapon won't matter.

 
bigmarc27 said:
As soon as it came out that the guy's name was Omar Mateen, all Reddit threads on the news subreddit were locked and removed. 

Seriously. 
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that explains it ... I was up early when this broke, and was following live feed on Reddit ... then POOF - it was done 

Un#######believable

 
otb_lifer said:
Sen. Nelson presser addressing link to ISIS ... seems legit
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Homegrown ISIS sympathizers (assuming that link is true) with clean criminal backgrounds are a pretty big threat.  They can access all sorts of weapons and are already in the country.

 
bananafish said:
Are acts of terrorism and hate crimes necessarily mutually exclusive? Seems like both.
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They aren't. But I don't think that even if someone is "inspired by ISIS" we should call it an act of terrorism unless ISIS was involved. The guy who shot up the abortion clinic last year was inspired by the Bible. Was that an act of terrorism? Not IMO. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
The question of why didn't they rush them always comes up. I hate to post this but in general people don't act well in crisis situations. I believe many of you would step in and do something but trying to rely on others to go along or do the same isn't always easy. These folks were likely drunk, stoned, and on narcotics, it's possible they were not thinking clearly. 
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But even if then, 100 people?  With just a semi-auto AR-15?  That's unreal.  There were several hundred shots fired then, which means he was changing clips with hundreds of people around.  I can't grasp it.  

They do make modifications like bump fire which give it essentially an automatic shot, but the rifle become very difficult to control, especially in a situation like that.

 
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shader said:
To protect us from the government???  Look I hate to break it to you, but if the government wants you, your weapon won't matter.
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Right, that may have made sense when both the government and civilians would be using muskets.  An AR-15 isn't going to do much against a tank or an F15.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
I also don't understand the hate people have for gays, then again, I'm not a lunatic... These peopleprob have their own sexual issues if I was guessing. 
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It all goes back to that even more lunatic religion thing. If there were no holy books, nobody would have a problem at all with gays, or even darker skinned people (ethnic cleansing, remember that?). That all stems from 2,000 year old books that did a poor effort attempting to tell people right from wrong.

 
otb_lifer said:
understood, but TPW just appeared in the past page or so, the post you quoted me in was one of the first dozen or so in the thread, way back on page one - adding to the confusion.  

anyways, duly noted

just a sickening morning for all humanity, unspeakable horror 
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I know. I went to respond to your first post in the thread and didn't finish it. When I went to respond to TPW, thanks to the really neat board upgrade, your quote still showed up, which I didn't realize

 
dschuler said:
But even if then, 100 people?  With just a semi-auto AR-15?  That's unreal.  There were several hundred shots fired then, which means he was changing clips with hundreds of people around.  I can't grasp it.  
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You're thinking of them as a group, but they're not. They're a bunch of terrified individuals. If I'm there am I rushing the gunman? Hell no, I'm trying to hide under a table, hoping I somehow survive. 

 
ShamrockPride said:
It all goes back to that even more lunatic religion thing. If there were no holy books, nobody would have a problem at all with gays, or even darker skinned people (ethnic cleansing, remember that?). That all stems from 2,000 year old books that did a poor effort attempting to tell people right from wrong.
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 I disagree. Plenty of hate and discrimination from people that don't read the Koran or Bible. 

 
Helmet of the swat officer who was shot and survived, at the hospital being treated for non threatening injuries:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRyanParker/status/742011156181569536/photo/1

Thats a Kevlar helmet. Someone up thread asked how so many could be shot and killed. That picture shows enough evidence that hundreds of people gathered in close quarters are a real simple target and with that weaponry a lot of damage can be inflicted in a short period of time. 

 
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shader said:
Of course it had something to do with religion, but that may not have been the primary motivator.  Humans are a crazy mix of beliefs.  Maybe his religion played a part, a movie he loved played a part, he was depressed and on drugs, he was a member of some website with strange beliefs, or maybe he was an admirer of ISIS.  

Could be a mix of all of the above as well as a million other things.

But what he did have was an automatic weapon that could kill and injure 100 people.  

There are a lot of evil people that would love to get their hands on nukes.  The reason we haven't had a nuclear war is that it's incredibly difficult to get a nuclear weapon.

As long as automatic weapons are easy to get, these type of events will happen from time to time when people snap.
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So this was an automatic weapon, now? 

Please show your work, or stop saying ignorant ####. TIA

 
dschuler said:
When have you ever seen an F15 or tank in your neighborhood?
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What?

I've never been in a scenario where I was fighting a war against the American government.  If that crazy scenario that AR-15 owners grasp at ever happens, I'm guessing they're not coming into my neighborhood with muskets.

 
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