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Mathews On Short Leash (1 Viewer)
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UFGator0587
Footballguy
As if he wasn't enough of a risk due to injuries....so glad I didn't draft this guy again this year. Unbelievable talent but you just can't rely on him yet.
JHuber77
Footballguy
This is such an overreaction. Matthews has been back for 1 game. Its not like he fumbled 3 times in the game. If they really want to test it, the Chargers should just go ahead and start Jackie Battle and Curtis Brinkley for a few more games and see what happens.
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Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Why on earth is AJ smith speaking out about this? He doesn't control playing time. Presumably Norv controls that.
Shutout
Footballguy
California might be the only state big enough to house A.J. Smith's ego. It's certainly fair for him to criticize/call out Matthews on this but a more diplomatic man may have left that to the coaches or spoke in a way as to where it sounded like the coach would deal with this.
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Sam Quentin
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Wadsworth
Footballguy
What a tool. Mathews lost two fumbles last season and the one this season was very close to being down by contact. He fumbles more than you would like but he is also is clearly the best RB option on that team. It seems counter productive to grandstand and call him out publicly while also undermining the authority of the head coach.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
They were 2-0 with those guys (and Ronnie Brown) getting all of the RB touches. They are 0-1 with Mathews getting most of the RB touches, and the offense went nowhere in that game. Just saying...
Silver & Black
Footballguy
Listen, fumbling is a very important issue but I don't see why we are seeing such an over reaction here.
Lots of high end rb's have suffered with fumblitis. It's not uncommon. It is also very fixable with coaching and support. Which is why I don't understand the severe backlash here.
Why not just say it is a very important issue but Ryan is working hard to correct it. Talking about him fumbling for someone else is just plain stupid. It doesn't sound like Mathews is the kind of player that needs that kind of "motivation" from management.
Lots of high end rb's have suffered with fumblitis. It's not uncommon. It is also very fixable with coaching and support. Which is why I don't understand the severe backlash here.
Why not just say it is a very important issue but Ryan is working hard to correct it. Talking about him fumbling for someone else is just plain stupid. It doesn't sound like Mathews is the kind of player that needs that kind of "motivation" from management.
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
I came in here for the sole purpose of saying exactly this, (actually that he was a "Hole" of sorts)I'm not sure what he could possibly think is gained by making a statement like this in public.AJ is a ####
JHuber77
Footballguy
Yeah and they were also playing Atlanta who is 3-0 and who whooped up on Denver the week before and could be one of the best teams in the NFC. Whats your point? I said they should start Battle, Brinkley, and Brown for a few MORE games and see what happens if they really want to test it. Matthews has fumbled 6 times since he has been in the NFL, counting last week as well. I'd hardly say that it's a problem yet.
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A.J. Smith's comments on Ryan Mathews = obvious motivation tactic. That is Smith's guy.
http://twitter.com/evansilva/status/251695023517757441
Agree, but the guy could have stopped with the first sentence and not sounded so insane...
http://twitter.com/evansilva/status/251695023517757441
Agree, but the guy could have stopped with the first sentence and not sounded so insane...
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Maybe the biggest "buy low" in all of FF right now. He looked great on Sunday IMO. The 8 targets he saw will probably be very consistent. And the upcoming schedule? Oh my.
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Deadly Carbon
Footballguy
I just bought low on Mathews this morning and feel good about it. I'm not worried about AJ's comments at all...but the other owner was!
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Fumble happened inside the 10 yard line in the 1st quarter, killing an 84 yard drive. Atlanta was up 7-0 at the time. Atlanta marched down the field after the fumble, and scored another TD. 14 point swing.
valhallan
Footballguy
Bingo. Classic deflection by a d-bag who knows his job is in jeopardy.
Krush Groove
Footballguy
I'm not worried about AJ talking junk. Matthews is their best offensive weapon
EFD
Footballguy
Ryan Mathews - 11 fumbles in 27 gamesLeSean McCoy - 6 fumbles in 49 gamesYou're really not seeing a difference between the two?
JHuber77
Footballguy
Thats not the point everyone is trying to make here. We can all agree that LeSean McCoy is the better player. Nobody on the Chargers roster is better than Matthews at his position.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
McCoy has 7 fumbles and has lost 5Mathews has 11 fumbles and has lost 6Mathews clearly has had a problem holding onto the ball, but he also averaging over 100 yards from scrimmage per start for his career. Mentioning that Mathews needs to hold onto the ball is one thing, but the garbage spewed out of Smith's mouth was extreme and also questioned the authority of the head coach. Just for reference Tiki Barbar has 4 consecutive seasons with at least 8 fumbles. Mathews has never fumbled more than 5 times and never lost more than 3.
Mathews has never played a full season, and won't this year. Just sayin'
EFD
Footballguy
I have not commented on points "everyone was trying to make", I was commenting on a post one person made that compared Mathews to McCoy in regards to fumbling. Based on their career stats, there is no comparison. McCoy has fumbled half as much in twice as many games, so to draw a parallel from Mathews to McCoy is ridiculous.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Only one of those 4 seasons for Tiki was a full season of starts.Mathews has never played a full season, and won't this year. Just sayin'
JHuber77
Footballguy
Ok, you completely missed the point the OTHER POSTER was trying to make. He is basically saying that Matthews is the Charger's best RB and he isn't going to get benched in favor of Battle, Brown, or Brinkley, just like McCoy wouldn't be benched in favor of Dion Lewis or Bryce Brown if he fumbled a couple of times inside the 10 yard line.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yeah...that's not really what he did.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Well.....McCoy doesn't have anyone in his coaching staff or front office that's talking about fumbling issues while Mathews' GM states "It has to stop" and he's "very concerned" so I'd be on the side that believes Mathews has a better chance of seeing the bench than McCoy. Especially around the goal line.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
AJ should be #####in at rivers about his INTs
JHuber77
Footballguy
I think Andy Reid talked about Vicks fumbling issues and interception issues this last week. We can do this all day, just leave it at that.....
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scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
We can do what all day? Talk about Vick? I didn't know he was in the conversation. Mathews is going to play, no doubt....but he could again lose goal line duties in the future. It's a concern.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
He can be concerned all he wants. He ain't going to be able to pull the fork outta Ronnie's back.
And he should be more concerned about his decision guaranteeing $14 million to Meachem.
And he should be more concerned about his decision guaranteeing $14 million to Meachem.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Norcalhoya
Footballguy
The Falcons aren't the Raiders and the Titans...
Norcalhoya
Footballguy
Is it fair to call that a 14 point swing? They lose 7, but you can't blame the mathews or the offense for letting Atlanta drive 90 yards for a TD...
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Actually, he should be #####ing at himself for putting them both behind a miserable offensive line. I'm looking forward to a new G.M. and head coach next year. I can barely remember 2006.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I don't even own Mathews and this pisses me off. The dude is clearly the most talented player on that offense right now. This is laughable.
But "leave" makes it sound like they've got a choice. I think they'll "have their roles reduced" before Mathews. AJ Smith has fumbled more than a few negotiations recently...
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
This kind of gets to something I was thinking about. At what point is fumbling an issue? If you have an average back (say a Shonn Greene), who never put the ball on the ground, yet never tears it up, are you better off with the guy who can go for 150 yards in a game, but fumbles once ever couple of games (and loses them on a pace of 1 in 4). My guess is that they guy who is a better runner (regardless of the fumbling) adds more quality to the offensive product and therefore is better. I am not a baseball guy (at all), but I find it interesting that you hear these types of comments from the "minds of the NFL" without the analysis to back it up. In baseball, they have a formula for someone like this (in nearly every situation) and know whether it is a pro or a con. I feel the NFL is behind in this, or else they do a lot less sharing and there are a greater number of haves/have nots, when it comes to proper statistical analysis. I also wonder whether there are too many moving parts in football to come up with the stats (in baseball, there are two things in motion (pitcher/batter) until the ball is hit)? It is interesting, because great WRs who can get open get a pass on drops. Why? Because if they can get open just two more times in a game versus the sure-handed WR and drop one ball, they are still ahead of the curve by one. I realize it is situational (if you fumble within your 30 or the opponent's 30 you have lost or given up points), but I still think there needs to be some type of analysis on impact and that needs to consider who is actually doing the fumbling.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
So Mathews is just lucky that his team has been saving his sorry ### by recovering fumbles for him? Ok point noted
Boston
Footballguy
11 fumbles in 27 games is unacceptable...you can't build your offense around a guy who has ball-security issues...the bigger issue I have with Smith as a GM is if you have a player who has an issue that you feel is detrimental to your team's success you would think he would have a better back-up plan should this issue continue...it appears he ignored this when he was building the team this offseason...
Mile High
Footballguy
I heard if Rivers throws another int Whitehurst takes over for the rest of the year.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Actually, Jackie Battle would take over at QB and RB. All wildcat all the time.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
A rumor you just made up?
