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Matt Forte - to be more relevant again (1 Viewer)

Hu-Tang Clan said:
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
Right now, I have him benched behind Freeman, West, and Buck Allen. Splitting touches/opportunities is the highest factor.
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You expect West to split less with Ware than Forte with Langford?
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Just taking my best guess. I see West being getting a higher percentage of carries in an offense that runs the ball more.ETA: Early on, though, it looks as though I may have been wrong. Luckily my spot in the league is guaranteed this week and I'm playing one of the worst teams in the league, so it's not going to matter either way.

It'll give me a better insight into what to do next week.

 
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Rotoworld:

Contract-year RB Matt Forte admitted there's "nothing really to hope for" in terms of a new contract from the Bears.

"I mean, I want to return," Forte said. "But if you're saying am I hopeful that I do return? There's not much to hope for right now because like I've said, I talked to (GM Ryan Pace) earlier and they haven't said anything back. So there's nothing really to hope for." To this point, the Bears have ignored Forte's request to engage in contract negotiations. Since being drafted in 2008, Forte has logged 2,007 carries and 2,488 total touches. He just turned 30 earlier this month, and teams typically don't want to sign aging running backs to heavy-money deals. The Bears also drafted Jeremy Langford this year, and the rookie showed more than capable as a three-week starter in November when Forte was out with a knee injury. Forte will probably take as much money as he can get on the open market come March. The market may not be kind to him, however.
 
Coming off a decent week. I have the choice between Forte and Lamar Miller. I'm leaning Forte right now. I think he gets 12-15 touches and does a little something with them. Thinking 14 - 18 PPR points or so.

 
Rotoworld:

Matt Forte rushed 17 times for 76 yards and caught 3-of-3 targets for 34 yards and a touchdown in the Bears' Week 17 loss to the Lions.

What may be impending free agent Forte's final year in a Bears uniform ends with a rushing line of 218-898-4, and a receiving line of 44-389-3. Still a quality starter at age 30, Forte's fantasy production was limited by three missed games due to injury and a second-half timeshare with Jeremy Langford, who may be Chicago's running back of the future. If Forte does hit the open market, expect savvy teams like the Patriots to show interest assuming his asking price is reasonable. Forte still has a ton to offer as an all-purpose threat, even if he isn't best utilized as a 20 carry-per-game workhorse any longer.


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flapgreen said:
Still think he's back with Bears
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I don't think Forte would have been featured today, as opposed to the typical 50/50 split with Langford, if the team had any thoughts that Forte would be back.

IMO the only way Forte returns is if the market is tepid for his services. Certainly possible considering the devaluation of RBs in the NFL, but my guess is that a contender will throw him Gore-type money as a potential missing piece/veteran presence. The Pats are often mentioned and that does make a lot of sense. Maybe Denver too.

 
Mike Reiss speculates Forte and the Patriots could be a good fit.

Makes sense.

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http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4790436/broncos-super-bowl-win-sets-up-possibility-of-2016-season-opener-vs-patriots?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

...As much as any team in the NFL, the Patriots value pass-catching ability from their running backs, and one of the league’s best in that area, Matt Forte, is scheduled to become a free agent this offseason. On Friday, Forte said on NFL Network, “It’s not even about the money. I want to be in Super Bowls.” At the very least, the running back-needy Patriots figure to explore the possibility as Forte, who turned 30 on Dec. 10, could be a multi-purpose weapon in the team’s offense while also not having to be the workhorse he once was in Chicago.
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Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 28m28 minutes ago
Mike Loyko Retweeted Mike Reiss

If Matt Forte is serious that "he doesn't care about the money" a Forte-Patriots marriage makes too much sense.

TFrench‏@tjfrench8
@NEPD_Loyko 2-3 years 3.5-4 million per. Can see the patriots loading up this year like '14 off-season


6:55 AM - 7 Feb 2016
Mike Loyko‏@NEPD_Loyko
Mike Loyko Retweeted TFrench

I don't think signing someone like Forte is loading up. #Patriots have only a few clear "need areas" RB is one.

 
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Great Bears career. His overall production for the Bears at the RB position may not again be duplicated again in our lifetimes. Heck forget production, we might not even see a RB last 8 straight seasons with the Bears again in our lifetimes.

Classy move by organization being upfront at the beginning they won't be bringing him back. And for him understanding it's a business. A lot of touches on him but he'll land on his feet somewhere.

 
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Bracie Smathers said:
Mike Reiss speculates Forte and the Patriots could be a good fit.

Makes sense.

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http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4790436/broncos-super-bowl-win-sets-up-possibility-of-2016-season-opener-vs-patriots?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

...As much as any team in the NFL, the Patriots value pass-catching ability from their running backs, and one of the league’s best in that area, Matt Forte, is scheduled to become a free agent this offseason. On Friday, Forte said on NFL Network, “It’s not even about the money. I want to be in Super Bowls.” At the very least, the running back-needy Patriots figure to explore the possibility as Forte, who turned 30 on Dec. 10, could be a multi-purpose weapon in the team’s offense while also not having to be the workhorse he once was in Chicago.
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Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 28m28 minutes ago
Mike Loyko Retweeted Mike Reiss

If Matt Forte is serious that "he doesn't care about the money" a Forte-Patriots marriage makes too much sense.

TFrench‏@tjfrench8
@NEPD_Loyko 2-3 years 3.5-4 million per. Can see the patriots loading up this year like '14 off-season


6:55 AM - 7 Feb 2016
Mike Loyko‏@NEPD_Loyko
Mike Loyko Retweeted TFrench

I don't think signing someone like Forte is loading up. #Patriots have only a few clear "need areas" RB is one.
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Makes too much sense if they can meet in the middle financially. Brady's not going to live forever, might as well beef up the rush/pass game on a 1-2 year deal and catch the end of Forte's career value. Forte and a healthy Lewis is quite a 1-2 punch with their receiving RB styles.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Great Bears career. His overall production for the Bears at the RB position may not again be duplicated again in our lifetimes. Heck forget production, we might not even see a RB last 8 straight seasons with the Bears again in our lifetimes.

Classy move by organization being upfront at the beginning they won't be bringing him back. And for him understanding it's a business. A lot of touches on him but he'll land on his feet somewhere.
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I believe Forte is the current leader for all purpose yards in the NFL right now. I think that includes all positions actually.

 
menobrown said:
zeeshan2 said:
Zach Zaidman
✔@ZachZaidmanSince entering the NFL in 2008, Matt Forte's 12,718 scrimmage yards (8,602 rushing and 4,116 receiving) are the most in the league. #Bears

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Crazy stat I just read, which really does not help Forte in terms of getting more money, but since he entered the league in 2008 he's played 594 more snaps than any other RB. That's almost a whole season more than anyone else.
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Thats true, but Forte is a good guy to roll the dice on. He takes phenomenal care of his body, and he's particularly good at avoiding the big hits. I could easily see him doing the Frank Gore thing.

 
mbuehner said:
menobrown said:
zeeshan2 said:
Zach Zaidman
✔@ZachZaidmanSince entering the NFL in 2008, Matt Forte's 12,718 scrimmage yards (8,602 rushing and 4,116 receiving) are the most in the league. #Bears

9:42 AM - 12 Feb 2016
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Crazy stat I just read, which really does not help Forte in terms of getting more money, but since he entered the league in 2008 he's played 594 more snaps than any other RB. That's almost a whole season more than anyone else.
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Thats true, but Forte is a good guy to roll the dice on. He takes phenomenal care of his body, and he's particularly good at avoiding the big hits. I could easily see him doing the Frank Gore thing.
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I tend to agree and I'll say I think he's got more to give this upcoming season than Gore had to give last season and will be a much better FA purchase for a team.

 
mquinnjr said:
Bracie Smathers said:
Mike Reiss speculates Forte and the Patriots could be a good fit.

Makes sense.

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Makes too much sense if they can meet in the middle financially. Brady's not going to live forever, might as well beef up the rush/pass game on a 1-2 year deal and catch the end of Forte's career value. Forte and a healthy Lewis is quite a 1-2 punch with their receiving RB styles.
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Reiss isn't the only one who has thought this is a good fit.

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charles‏@SundayFiasco
future patriot matt forte
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Matt Waldman ‏@MattWaldman 1h1 hour ago
Matt Waldman Retweeted charles

I've had that that thought a time or two. http://bit.ly/1SLJ5P9

 
More speculation on which team would be a good fit for former Chicago RB Matt Forte.

NFL.com speculates that Houston would be a good fit. They have a different RB heading to New England.

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000635723/Best-fantasy-free-agents

EDIT: Matt Miller also thinks Houston is a good fit.

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Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 1h1 hour ago
As far as fits go, Houston is one of the best landing spots for Matt Forte. (Not saying they'll sign him)
 
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The Bears beat writer Brad Biggs suggested that the Packers would be an idea fit for him and really we could probably say this with most teams in the league due to fact he's a versatile RB who does as much damage as a receiver out of the backfield as a he does as runner. Only a few teams in the league where I would say his skills are redundant to the point there is no need or fit for him.

 
matttyl said:
Aren't the Pats hard up against the cap next year? Forte isn't going to sign for nothing.
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True, but he's also not going to get a ton of money. I'd guess somewhere along the lines of Frank Gore - say $10 mln over 2 years or something like that. Could be light on the cap in that regard.

 
zamboni said:
matttyl said:
Aren't the Pats hard up against the cap next year? Forte isn't going to sign for nothing.
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True, but he's also not going to get a ton of money. I'd guess somewhere along the lines of Frank Gore - say $10 mln over 2 years or something like that. Could be light on the cap in that regard.
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He's not going to get that - or at least the Pats aren't going to pay that.

 
As discussed in the Indefinite patriots thread, NE is expected to be about $5 million under the projected cap number if they don't do anything. But they can save $18-20 million by cutting a handful of essentially role players and by reworking deals with a few guys.

IMO, they will take that money to re-sign key players on the defensive side of the ball. I don't see them signing a RB or WR for more than $2-3 million a season and at 1-2 year deal (with an option year so they can qualify for a supplemental pick). They usually take flyers on reclamation projects or guys coming back from injuries. I don't see Forte willing to play for that amount of money, as he should be able to do a lot better elsewhere.

 
matttyl said:
zamboni said:
matttyl said:
Aren't the Pats hard up against the cap next year? Forte isn't going to sign for nothing.
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True, but he's also not going to get a ton of money. I'd guess somewhere along the lines of Frank Gore - say $10 mln over 2 years or something like that. Could be light on the cap in that regard.
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He's not going to get that - or at least the Pats aren't going to pay that.
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Just throwing a number out. So maybe it's 8 mil over 2 years or 10 mil over 3. Who knows, but it won't be a cap buster for whomever signs him.

 
Anarchy99 said:
As discussed in the Indefinite patriots thread, NE is expected to be about $5 million under the projected cap number if they don't do anything. But they can save $18-20 million by cutting a handful of essentially role players and by reworking deals with a few guys.

IMO, they will take that money to re-sign key players on the defensive side of the ball. I don't see them signing a RB or WR for more than $2-3 million a season and at 1-2 year deal (with an option year so they can qualify for a supplemental pick). They usually take flyers on reclamation projects or guys coming back from injuries. I don't see Forte willing to play for that amount of money, as he should be able to do a lot better elsewhere.
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Yep. Pretty much no chance at all he ends up with the Pats. I've said this before in this thread and Matt Williamson just tweeted it. Pats have 2 Rb roles. The Lewis role and the power back role. Forte does both but doesn't fill either on his own. He's still good but not the player he was. Pats will get someone cheap to fill the power back role.

 
The dreams alive until march 15th. I disagree with all of you, on two main points.

First, I think you have grossly misread NE backfield, its not as simple as the number of roles, but the percentage and impact on the team as a whole. Its less of a two down+3DRB, its plodders and playmakers. The NE offense works effectively with a backfield receiver who can threaten with a draw or stretch/pitch when they aren't playing small ball through the screen game. That plodder role however can be played by anyone, its not a big part of the system. Second, I think he compliments Lewis and together they could be disgustingly ruthless.

I think the Pats might make him a two year offer roughly 4m or little less a year. Or a 5m 1 year with an option for the next year.

I wanna believe.

 
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Run It Up said:
The dreams alive until march 15th. I disagree with all of you, on two main points.

First, I think you have grossly misread NE backfield, its not as simple as the number of roles, but the percentage and impact on the team as a whole. Its less of a two down+3DRB, its plodders and playmakers. The NE offense works effectively with a backfield receiver who can threaten with a draw or stretch/pitch when they aren't playing small ball through the screen game. That plodder role however can be played by anyone, its not a big part of the system. Second, I think he compliments Lewis and together they could be disgustingly ruthless.

I think the Pats might make him a two year offer roughly 4m or little less a year. Or a 5m 1 year with an option for the next year.

I wanna believe.
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Is this based on anything substantial, or just your gut feeling/wistful thinking?

They haven't committed that much money to any 1 RB over the past few years (maybe since Dillon?); have you read/heard anything to suggest that is going to change?

I think Forte could do very well in NE (although I think he & Lewis will negate each other's FF value, at least to some degree), but I just don't think he's going to play for as little as they seem to be willing to pay RBs. If they offer him 4-5M/year, he might do it. I don' t know if he'd take a 1-year deal though, as I'm sure the market for a 32 year old RB will be much weaker than for a 31 year old RB. He may not be "all about the money," but this is probably going to be his last chance for any significant contract, IMO.

ETA-that being said, perhaps it's more realistic than I first thought. Gore got 3 years/12M, Deangelo got 2 years/$2M. I think if NE is willing to offer the $4M/year (for 2 years), you suggested, that might get it done. The question mark, IMO, is Dallas. They clearly need a RB (as I don't think McFadden can be relied upon as the main guy), and with that O-line, Romo back (healthy?) at QB, Witten getting older, they need to take a shot before their window slams shut. Forte could be a target of theirs.

 
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Bayhawks said:
Run It Up said:
The dreams alive until march 15th. I disagree with all of you, on two main points.

First, I think you have grossly misread NE backfield, its not as simple as the number of roles, but the percentage and impact on the team as a whole. Its less of a two down+3DRB, its plodders and playmakers. The NE offense works effectively with a backfield receiver who can threaten with a draw or stretch/pitch when they aren't playing small ball through the screen game. That plodder role however can be played by anyone, its not a big part of the system. Second, I think he compliments Lewis and together they could be disgustingly ruthless.

I think the Pats might make him a two year offer roughly 4m or little less a year. Or a 5m 1 year with an option for the next year.

I wanna believe.
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Is this based on anything substantial, or just your gut feeling/wistful thinking?
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Its based off what I think they will have to play with in terms of the cap and those are final values. I think it will more likely be a 2-3m a year deal with easily attained incentives providing an overmarket value number. I think its very likely if they go after him to make a legitimate offer likely with an option for the 2nd and/or 3rd year that they will almost definitely not pick up they later one so they will have to further incentivize the earlier parts of the contract.

They've done it with plenty of non-RB FAs, over the last half decade the RB position has been pretty black and white in terms of depth. But the consensus is clear, the time to make a move at the RB position is now.

 
Run It Up said:
Bayhawks said:
Run It Up said:
The dreams alive until march 15th. I disagree with all of you, on two main points.

First, I think you have grossly misread NE backfield, its not as simple as the number of roles, but the percentage and impact on the team as a whole. Its less of a two down+3DRB, its plodders and playmakers. The NE offense works effectively with a backfield receiver who can threaten with a draw or stretch/pitch when they aren't playing small ball through the screen game. That plodder role however can be played by anyone, its not a big part of the system. Second, I think he compliments Lewis and together they could be disgustingly ruthless.

I think the Pats might make him a two year offer roughly 4m or little less a year. Or a 5m 1 year with an option for the next year.

I wanna believe.
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Is this based on anything substantial, or just your gut feeling/wistful thinking?
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Its based off what I think they will have to play with in terms of the cap and those are final values. I think it will more likely be a 2-3m a year deal with easily attained incentives providing an overmarket value number. I think its very likely if they go after him to make a legitimate offer likely with an option for the 2nd and/or 3rd year that they will almost definitely not pick up they later one so they will have to further incentivize the earlier parts of the contract.They've done it with plenty of non-RB FAs, over the last half decade the RB position has been pretty black and white in terms of depth. But the consensus is clear, the time to make a move at the RB position is now.
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The 2-3 million is still more than they've paid a RB in several years, & I would expect Forte to be able to get but bigger money elsewhere. Its not impossible, but I won't think its as much of a "done deal" as it sounds like from reporter'a speculations.
 
They offered Vereen around 3.5m expecting to be fine with White+FA if they couldn't retain him. I think 30 year old Matt Forte is better for the next two years than 2014 Shane Vereen.

 
Run It Up said:
They offered Vereen around 3.5m expecting to be fine with White+FA if they couldn't retain him. I think 30 year old Matt Forte is better for the next two years than 2014 Shane Vereen.
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Did they? How many years?

I think if Forte can get that over 2 years (maybe not "guaranteed" but likely years/money), that might do it.

If they did that, how would that leave them, cap-wise? Would they be able to improve their O-line, get another WR, tie-up some of the defense guys? 1 of these 3? 2?

If they're able to get him & address some of these other areas, they obviously look good for next year.

Also, assuming that happens, would you agree that it will lessen the FF impact of Forte AND Lewis?

 
Bayhawks said:
Run It Up said:
They offered Vereen around 3.5m expecting to be fine with White+FA if they couldn't retain him. I think 30 year old Matt Forte is better for the next two years than 2014 Shane Vereen.
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Did they? How many years?

I think if Forte can get that over 2 years (maybe not "guaranteed" but likely years/money), that might do it.

If they did that, how would that leave them, cap-wise? Would they be able to improve their O-line, get another WR, tie-up some of the defense guys? 1 of these 3? 2?

If they're able to get him & address some of these other areas, they obviously look good for next year.

Also, assuming that happens, would you agree that it will lessen the FF impact of Forte AND Lewis?
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In terms of the cap, they should be able to clear up about 20m. The bigger concern is 2017 when virtually the entire NE defense enters FA, they will probably start restructuring this offseason. Their biggest Oline issues were that they started off hurt and not only didn't recover everyone else slowly got hurt as well, the interior is fine and has depth, at tackle they have a great/elite LT and RT, but no depth. The Pats will likely be losing a WR, TE and RB through cuts or FA (Lafell, Chandler, Blount). I think they will look to fill all three of those vacancies, and hope to have around 5m to play with in the season.

As far as the FF impact, I think the easy answer is yeah it probably will reduce both of their ff impact - or at least Fortes production could take a hit from its ridiculous levels. If NE managed to sign him I think they would offer a unique 1-2 punch. A duo that share and compliment each other. We've seen it with TEs in the past in NE, I think its entirely possible with RBs as well.

 
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