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Matt Forte - to be more relevant again (1 Viewer)

Slapdash said:
Hard to imagine the NYJ offense continuing to operate at this level.  
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Sure...though thwy have the pieces to do it.  2 studs at wr and 1 up and comer showing out so far and a 4th that is yung and talented.  Veteran QB who seems to fit the offense well and the vet RB to feed the ball to.

Pretty bullish on this offense and only have Forte

 
Caesar said:
Early in the redraft season, I was specifically targetting him.  I thought he was dropping a little because of the Fitz holdout, which I was confident was going to play out favorably.  Then I started listening to podcasts and reading articles, and has been mentioned, all the talk was about a regression, or a 50/50 split with Powell, or he won't be asked to catch passes like in Chicago because he won't be in on 3rd down.

I saw this Jets offense as being pretty good with Fitz, and I wanted a part of it.  Forte seemed the best value to me at the time. 

Towards the end of the drafting season, I was still higher than most, but I let the draft dictate a little more when I would take him.  Got him at 5.02 in  WR heavy league, and am very happy.  Started this week with 44 (Forte and McCoy) and still have Odell, Jordy, and Donte, so for where Forte was going, he was a HUGE steal.

Wasn't really meaning to post a Look at me, but my point was that almost every national "expert" was wrong about this guy in one way or another, so far.  Although, I should thank them because it allowed me to get him a round later than where I was taking him early.  I don't know how the season will turn out, but it sure is a nice start and if he can get 2/3 of this workload and points going forward and stay healthy, he is going to be on a few championship teams....  including mine, I hope.
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I think myself and many others doubted Forte because of Chicago's willingness to let him go and use Langford instead.

This is a move I doubted the Bears would do because of how good a player Forte has been. When they did do this, it made think that maybe the Bears know something we don't. There is where I think a lot of the doubt besides Fortes age comes from.

As a Vikings fan I am glad he is out of the North Division. One less great player to worry about when playing the Bears.

Great player for FF as the Jets do not have much of a TE receiving option, so this should mean more dump off targets to the RBs instead, which is Fortes wheelhouse. Similar to Foster in Miami these RB are very good receivers, not just running backs. 

 
Biabreakable said:
I think myself and many others doubted Forte because of Chicago's willingness to let him go and use Langford instead.

This is a move I doubted the Bears would do because of how good a player Forte has been. When they did do this, it made think that maybe the Bears know something we don't. There is where I think a lot of the doubt besides Fortes age comes from.

As a Vikings fan I am glad he is out of the North Division. One less great player to worry about when playing the Bears.

Great player for FF as the Jets do not have much of a TE receiving option, so this should mean more dump off targets to the RBs instead, which is Fortes wheelhouse. Similar to Foster in Miami these RB are very good receivers, not just running backs. 
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I can understand the doubt from that perspective.  A lot of people subscribe to the idea that they are not smarter than the people who get paid to make those decisions.  I defintely do, and if I was smart enough to even think about Chicago letting him go like that, I might have been right along with you.  I guess I just felt like Forte has been solid for so long that going into an offense that was only a piece or two away from being truly great would allow him to excel.  However, If he had been talked up, and been going in the 2nd round, I would probably have zero shares of him.

 
Yeah some times knowing stuff and over analyzing the situation works against you.

I never would have doubted Forte at all if he had re-signed with the Bears.

 
Wow. This guy has been a fantasy monster the past two weeks. I haven't been that impressed, but he's been more than solid as a player, too. I guess Powell is going to have to wait his turn, and I'm not sure that he's better. Forte just glides to whatever spot he needs to be. It's really impressive. I'm glad they're giving him goal line looks. Anybody remembering the days of Marion Barber and the Bears is shaking their fist and cursing Lovie right now.  

 
zamboni said:
I think people may be misconstruing Powell's ability to be the guy. We Jets fans have seen this guy for years - nice player and definitely picked up his game down the stretch last year, but that's about it.

But to expect him to replace Forte is probably a pipe dream. Unlike Forte, Powell does not run between the tackles well and doesn't offer anything that Forte can't do better - receiving, blocking, dependability in holding on to the ball. The Jets' coaching staff clearly seems to recognize this, hence the lack of a meaningful timeshare unless it's needed to spell Forte. 
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Thanks for the insight. If Powell isn't the backup, who is?

 
For those who drafted him, did you specifically target him? What RBs ranked higher did you draft him over, and why? My guess is that many people kind of just ended up with him without reaching for him, which is a perfectly acceptable answer as well.
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I'm in the "just kind of ended up with him" camp. 

I really wanted to load up on WR's early out of the 5 slot. Once my 2nd round pick came up, there had been a huge run on WR's though so I ended up going McCoy. After that unexpected RB pick, I was really looking to stack up WR's. Funny thing is though, it's the 5th round and I see Matt Forte staring me in the face at 68th. He finished as the 10th RB in this league last year and he's always been a PPR beast. I'm very familiar with Chan Gailey's offense so I figured they would find ways to get him involved in the offense. Powell really didn't worry me because even if it was a time share, Forte's receiving ability would get him plenty of snaps. 

Looking over the WR's available at that spot, pairing McCoy with Forte became a no-brainer for me. Gailey using him as a goalline back is another huge bonus and is what could propel Forte into the top 5- CHI never used him in those situations so it was always a blemish with him. He looked really good on his 2 "goalline" TD's against the Bills. 

 
Hawkeye21 said:
One trick pony?  Ivory had been great for them but they didn't really use him until last year.  Ivory had also been on the team for a few years.  This will be Forte's first year.  If you look at the history of aging RBs on new teams you'll see that it's not very impressive.  I know what Forte can do as a life long Bears fan but the odds are stacked against him.  This doesn't mean he can't but I'm not betting on it.
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how are those odds looking now?

 
SigEp316 said:
Good stuff here...and keep in mind that if he also didn't rush for 100yds he'd have no yards...that would've been zero points.  Glad he did rush for 100 and have 3 TDs :excited:
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The problem is running a 30 year old RB in to the ground. He's taking hits on every play as well. Its not like he's popping off big gains and sliding out of bounds. Hopefully he stays healthy, but if this script continues he's either going to be hurt or wiped out within a month.

 
TripItUp said:
how are those odds looking now?
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Do you honestly think that Forte is going to sustain the work load he is receiving right now?  The Jets are working him hard right now which has killed Powell's value for the time.  I think it's smart to have Powell if you have a roster spot for him because I don't think Forte will make the whole season playing at this rate.

Awesome start for Forte though.  I knew he still had the skills but I'm not sure how long his body will hold up.

 
FWIW I just sold in 14-team 2rb 2wr 0 flex non-ppr. For reference, owner was really jazzed for him and sold low on Rodgers-Gurley. Added in Travis Benjamin. I gave Forte-TyTaylor-Marvin Jones. QB scoring is weird in this league 4pt TDs and yardage is tiered so Rodgers/Taylor gap not super massive. 

A lot of owners went crazy saying it was rip off but honestly took me awhile to pull the trigger. I would not have dealt Forte straight up for Gurley. I figure in redraft he is a top 5 pick today. Really did not want to sell but made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

So if anyone is looking to sell high now might be the time ... I can't imagine Forte value getting much higher.

 
I guess if you're going to sell Forte, what are you looking for in return?

Gurley seems like an upgrade, but with that offense, I'm not so sure Gurley is a slam dunk over Forte going forward. I doubt you would get the Lamar Miller owner to bite. Maybe you try for Lev Bell? But he comes back next week, so not sure his owner would be willing to move him. No way the David Johnson owner moves him. Elliott doesn't seem like an upgrade at this point over Forte.

I just don't see much out there that you could get for him. Now in a package deal, of course it would be different. But I think Forte is a decent hold right now because you're not going to get what you want from him at this point.

 
Forte for Gurley? Have you seen Gurley's sch? Brutal especially for a RB that can't catch passes. Oh and his playoff sch is vs SF and SEA. We saw how he faired against those two teams already. Pass.

 
Dondante said:
Just showed up as questionable in my yahoo league. Anyone have any info on this yet? 
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Yahoo is fast and loose with the Q tag. Whenever a vet takes a typical Wed practice off they slap a Q on there...

 
Any news on him? There were reports that he was getting X-rays after the game, but I haven't seen anything confirming it today. Bowles was asked after the game and he made it seem like that was news to him. Thought if he was injured, there'd be something out by now.

 
MattFancy said:
Any news on him? There were reports that he was getting X-rays after the game, but I haven't seen anything confirming it today. Bowles was asked after the game and he made it seem like that was news to him. Thought if he was injured, there'd be something out by now.
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haven't heard anything, he's been popping up as questionable late in the week in my league.  I should have dealt him for Baldwin last week when I had the chance.

 
Gottabesweet said:
haven't heard anything, he's been popping up as questionable late in the week in my league.  I should have dealt him for Baldwin last week when I had the chance.
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Yeah he's had a rough go of it the last 2 weeks, but they've also played some decent defenses. And against KC, he did avg 4.3ypc. Wasn't his fault Fitzpatrick threw 6 INTs.

 
MattFancy said:
Any news on him? There were reports that he was getting X-rays after the game, but I haven't seen anything confirming it today. Bowles was asked after the game and he made it seem like that was news to him. Thought if he was injured, there'd be something out by now.
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The report said he was taken on a cart to get xrays after the game.  How can their not be any word on the results yet.

 
skinsrule05 said:
The report said he was taken on a cart to get xrays after the game.  How can their not be any word on the results yet.
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That's what is so confusing. You would have thought they would have had something right after the game if that was the case or at worst, something by now. I keep checking Rotoworld, but haven't seen anything.

 
MattFancy said:
Yeah he's had a rough go of it the last 2 weeks, but they've also played some decent defenses. And against KC, he did avg 4.3ypc. Wasn't his fault Fitzpatrick threw 6 INTs.
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Doesn't get any easier with @ Pittsburgh who can score and get ugly quick then Arizona.

 
RenegadeRoy said:
Bit of a "no kidding", but he goes on to say this as well:

Connor said the Jets now realize Forte is not a 23+ touch player anymore....aka expect more Bilal Powell
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Kind of a dumb comment.  We all knew Forte wasn't going to touch the ball 400+ times this year.  Of course we will see more Bilal Powell.

 
ponchsox said:
Wow this guy went from a low end RB1 to a flex play in two weeks. I'm benching him for Gore this week.
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I wouldn't go that far, he's still an RB2, with RB1 upside.  He's still going to touch the ball 15-20 times a game if he's healthy.  Problem is....Powell will take a lot of his receptions away which does hurt him a bit.

 
ponchsox said:
Wow this guy went from a low end RB1 to a flex play in two weeks. I'm benching him for Gore this week.
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His touches have gone:

wk 1- 27

wk 2- 32

wk 3- 17

wk 4- 16

We knew he couldn't keep up the beginning of the year pace but to drop off this much has destroyed his value. He hasn't even been a flex play the last two weeks. Now that Powell is getting the receptions I don't see how I can play him at all. 

The upside is that the Jets as a whole have been playing badly. If they can turn that around it might help Forte. So he is definitely a hold for now just don't go starting him. 

 
fightingillini said:
Kind of a dumb comment.  We all knew Forte wasn't going to touch the ball 400+ times this year.  Of course we will see more Bilal Powell.
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Exactly. I don't think anyone drafting Forte was expecting him to see the ball that many times. I figured he would get 12-15 carries a game and see 5-6 targets a game. Weird that they haven't been using him in the passing game. I know Powell is a good receiving back, but Forte is pretty good at it too. If they just wanted a bruising RB, why not just keep Ivory? Forte had 5 catches in week 1 for 59yds. The last 3 weeks, he has 6 catches for 24yds.

 
So coaches are now admitting they are bad at their jobs. NYJ coaching staff and Miami with their RB situation too. How do these guys get jobs when they miss what the general public already knew before they made their decisions.

 
You might still be able to trade him this week if you can. The past couple weeks he gets the veteran's practice off and then the site changes him to questionable which scares everyone. I jumped early this week.  Send out some offers, you might be able to get a similarly ranked RB whose younger and might touch the ball more.

 
Fitzpatrick has thrown 9 (Nine!) picks the past 2 weeks.  That has a lot to do with the drop off in production.

And everyone knew the touch pace was not sustainable. I like Forte all summer and was not surprised by his early season success.  The first 2 weeks may have set expectations too high but I still like him ROS.  

If I owned him I'd definitely move him for a good deal but wouldn't be as alarmed as some.

 
VaTerp said:
Fitzpatrick has thrown 9 (Nine!) picks the past 2 weeks.  That has a lot to do with the drop off in production.

And everyone knew the touch pace was not sustainable. I like Forte all summer and was not surprised by his early season success.  The first 2 weeks may have set expectations too high but I still like him ROS.  

If I owned him I'd definitely move him for a good deal but wouldn't be as alarmed as some.
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I think if the Jets stumble and Fitzpatrick gets yanked later in the year, they may evaluate the roster and see if they want to pay a 31 year old RB next season 4m.  Powell seems to handle the pass situations well.  In PPR Forte needs those catches to stay relevant.

 
fightingillini said:
I wouldn't go that far, he's still an RB2, with RB1 upside.  He's still going to touch the ball 15-20 times a game if he's healthy.  Problem is....Powell will take a lot of his receptions away which does hurt him a bit.
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I agree.   If Forte averages 15 touches over the remainin 12 games he becomes a 270+ touch RB (including his receptions).

That is my only real concern: I drafted him as an RB2 behind Miller in a full PPR league - the lack of catches is concernig but we'll see if that turns around. 

Still too early in the season to bail out....

 
I don't think any of us drafted him expecting RB1 numbers this season. I thought he would be a solid RB2 that could have some RB1 type weeks. If he is an RB2 the rest of the way, I'm okay with that.

 
MattFancy said:
I don't think any of us drafted him expecting RB1 numbers this season. I thought he would be a solid RB2 that could have some RB1 type weeks. If he is an RB2 the rest of the way, I'm okay with that.
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I definitely would be good with that.  The scary thing is he has gotten 16-17 touches and not been close to a RB2.

I tried trading him to the Powell owner with no luck.  The view is that he slide will continue.  That real/fake report about getting carted off for xrays didn't help.  For now he is a hold.

 
Gottabesweet said:
I think if the Jets stumble and Fitzpatrick gets yanked later in the year, they may evaluate the roster and see if they want to pay a 31 year old RB next season 4m.  Powell seems to handle the pass situations well.  In PPR Forte needs those catches to stay relevant.
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Forte is a clear lead RB with proven ability to catch the ball and play all 3 downs.  As long as he is healthy he will be relevant in PPR or any format.  Especially with a RB landscape that is about as thin as its ever been.

Powell's re-emergence and Fitz' horrid play definitely have clearly lowered his value in the past 2 weeks.  Again, first 2 weeks set expectations too high and I'm guilty on that front.  But he's still a RB2 with a relatively decent floor and moderate upside ROS.

Now, if you think the Jets are going to implode this season- and thats a fair prediction- then yeah, I'd try quickly to move him.  But I still think Forte will put points in your lineup even in that situation.  In evaluating their roster they are still going to play a versatile veteran RB who is the best back on the team.  Not sure what paying him 4mil next season has to do with playing him this year.  If anything they would have no issues running him into the ground as evidenced by the 1st two weeks.

Maybe I believe in the Jets too much.  I see a team that can still compete for a wildcard this year.  Fitz has been terrible and they've given up a lot of points.  Secondary and other defensive issues I guess I didnt expect.  But I stil think they are 2nd best team in division and dont see teams like Baltimore, Oakland, or KC running away with the wildcard spots.

Jets have to play better and Fitz has to quit giving away games but we'll see...

 
So in addition to the knee he has been dealing with now he has a rib injury. When did that happen. I guess that is what the mysterious X-rays were for. 

 
skinsrule05 said:
So in addition to the knee he has been dealing with now he has a rib injury. When did that happen. I guess that is what the mysterious X-rays were for. 
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It's wednesday, a classic day for veterans to rest and teams will usually BS an injury as to why so-and-so wasn't practicing. "Ribs" is a common one.

 
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