Matt Hasselbeck will win you a FF title this year (1 Viewer)

[NajehHejan]

If you load up on RB and WR in the early to mid rounds and draft Hasselbeck late and back him up with a Jason Campbell or Matt Cassel type from the WW you will have a great shot at winning it all.

Matty Hass is healthy and Whitehurst isn’t taking the job this year. Seattle’s D looks to be bad, so look for lots of passing yardage. Cake schedule as well.

4,082 yards passing, 25 TD, 17 INT

You’ll be wearing a mask and holding a gun when you draft him in the late rounds of your 12 team league.

Rotoworld - don't buy their Hassy bashing spin

Matt Hasselbeck-QB- Seahawks Jul. 8 - 10:22 am et

Matt Hasselbeck remains the starting quarterback in Seattle and "his performance this spring has only cemented that status," according to Clare Farnsworth of the team's official site.

Farnsworth says that "The situation at quarterback has been misrepresented since the club made the trade to acquire (Charlie) Whitehurst" and that Hasselbeck "is healthier than he has been in two years and the improvements on the O-line should help insure that remains the case." We aren't doubting that Hasselbeck is the clear starter right now, but we also still wouldn't be surprised if he's not starting by the end of the season, whether it's due to injury or the team going in another direction.

 

[Go deep]

Thats funny you bring that up. I did a redraft last year and me and another guy were the last to take a QB. He took Hasselbeck two spots ahead of me, and i took the guy i wanted the whole time(Schaub). After the draft, when we got to team evaluate mode, he said the exact same thing about hasselbeck as you are saying.

 

[Shutout]

The only way Hass wins me a title this year is Only if I am playing AGAINST him in the title game.

I get the idea of a bounce back/he's healthy, etc, but people need to realize this is NOT the same pass-happy team that has the play calling and benefit of Mike Holmgren. This team has a different philosophy and, I would argue, its worst collective set of WRs in the last five years.

I can see other guys being out there where Hass would be that I would rather take a shot on.

 

[HoleFiller]

If he bounces back i'll pick him up in week 5. Thats the only time i'm touching this guy

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Being good value and "winning you an FF Title" are not the same thing.

Hasselbeck is undervalued and could possibly have a bounce back year, but he's certainly not without risk (age, back injuries, Whitehurst, supporting cast, etc.)

There are a few other QBs that fit the mold of "good values" which would allow you to load up on RBs and WRs while waiting on your QB that offer a little more upside and probably a little less risk such as: Joe Flacco, Chad Henne, Matt Cassell, Matt Ryan, Matt Moore - by the way I didn't realize theres so many QBs named "Matt" nowadays

ETA: I didn't even mention Matt Leinart or Matt Shaub. :(

 

[mlball77]

If he falls far in your draft, he'd be a decent QBBC guy or QB2, imo. I think he has decent upside, but there are definite risks with him, thus the low ADP.

I personally wouldn't feel great about a Campbell and Hass qb duo, but maybe something like Eli and Hass.

 

[Go deep]

Being good value and "winning you an FF Title" are not the same thing.Hasselbeck is undervalued and could possibly have a bounce back year, but he's certainly not without risk (age, back injuries, Whitehurst, supporting cast, etc.)There are a few other QBs that fit the mold of "good values" which would allow you to load up on RBs and WRs while waiting on your QB that offer a little more upside and probably a little less risk such as: Joe Flacco, Chad Henne, Matt Cassell, Matt Ryan, Matt Moore - by the way I didn't realize theres so many QBs named "Matt" nowadays :(

Dont forget Matt Stafford So not only is Hasselbeck not worth drafting, he isnt even in the top 5 of guys name Matt.My Matt order looks like this:SchaubRyanLeinartMooreStaffordCasselHasselbeck

 

[FGITLOTR]

I definitely want some of what you are smoking--I would rather like to think that not drafting Hassleback in any and all leagues increases the chances I will be competitive this year. IMO, the guy is clearly a backup at this point in his career, and I hghly doubt his O-line will keep him upright. My two C

 

[FGITLOTR]

Mt Matt order would look like this:

Schaub

Ryan

Stafford

Moore

Hasselback

Cassel

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Mt Matt order would look like this:SchaubRyan StaffordMooreHasselbackCassel

No love for Leinart?

 

[Go deep]

Mt Matt order would look like this:SchaubRyan StaffordMooreHasselbackCassel

No Leinart?

 

[socrates]

Being good value and "winning you an FF Title" are not the same thing.

Hasselbeck is undervalued and could possibly have a bounce back year, but he's certainly not without risk (age, back injuries, Whitehurst, supporting cast, etc.)

There are a few other QBs that fit the mold of "good values" which would allow you to load up on RBs and WRs while waiting on your QB that offer a little more upside and probably a little less risk such as: Joe Flacco, Chad Henne, Matt Cassell, Matt Ryan, Matt Moore - by the way I didn't realize theres so many QBs named "Matt" nowadays

Dont forget Matt Stafford So not only is Hasselbeck not worth drafting, he isnt even in the top 5 of guys name Matt.

My Matt order looks like this:

Schaub

Ryan

Leinart

Moore

Stafford

Cassel

Hasselbeck

I think Hasselbeck has some value as a fantasy reserve, and a potential low-end fantasy starter. As Dr. Octopus has identified, there is some fairly sizeable risk with Hasselbeck, however. He has struggled through injuries the past couple of seasons, a new offense is being installed, his supporting cast is serviceable, but not stellar, Charlie Whitehurst looms behind him as the proclaimed QB of the future of the franchise, and he is in the final year of his contract. Now, I don't buy into the Whitehurst hype (I think he is yet a year away), but considering the new regime handpicked him and made an investment in him, bypassed other QBs in the draft, and the fact that Hasselbeck is in the final year of his contract, you have to think they will be anxious to get Whitehurst some reps and see how he performs (he has yet to see the field in a regular season game), so there is a real possibility that they could keep Hasselbeck on a short leash, especially late in the season if the Seahawks are out of playoff contention.If you are drafting Hasselbeck as a fantasy starter, you are reaching. As a fantasy reserve, he has a chance to be very good off of your bench, but the problem for me is this: I want reliability from my reserve, and, for the aforementioned reasons, Hasselbeck is not especially reliable. If, however, you have the luxury of carrying Hasselbeck as your Fantasy #3 QB, you have a valuable reserve with starting potential at a minimal cost. At his current draft position, Hasselbeck is a valuable fantasy #3 QB.

Matt Order:

Matt Schaub (Clearly the Matt to own)

Matt Ryan (A notch well below Schaub, but still solid)

Matt Stafford (I initially ranked Stafford lower, but after some consideration, I believe he is the best of the rest of the Matts. Solid supporting cast, he is a bit raw, but he flashed some real talent and grittiness)

Matt Cassel (If Bowe bounces back and McCluster can contribute right away, Cassel should easily improve on last season's numbers)

Matt Hasselbeck (provided he can stave off Whitehurst and the injury bug . . .)

Matt Leinart (I am hearing good things about Leinart, but I am still doubtful)

Matt Moore (Steve Smith's reinjury has to be a bit of a concern, plus he may give way to Clausen at some point)

Matt Flynn (noodle-armed backup to Rodgers)

Matt Gutierrez (KC reserve with some upside)

Matt Nichols (May be reaching deep here, but the undrafted rookie is listed as Dallas' 4th string QB, a position that Matt Moore held in '07)

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

he's done, I seriously doubt he can even play a full schedule his back is shot

 

[butcher boy]

Matt will be a good QB for your team... until Patrick Willis breaks his ribs again.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I don't see this at all. The only thing going for him is that Seattle led the league in pass attempts last season.

Putting aside health issues, I just don't see much from Hasselbeck. Housh, Golden Tate, Butler and Branch don't excite me as a receiving group. Sure there are some nice receivers at other positions (Carlson/McCoy, Forsett/Washington), but that's just not enough. Sure, Okung was a nice addition, and there are some decent talents on the OL, but it's mostly underwhelming.

So yes, they pass a lot. But the OL/WR/QB talents aren't special. Just not enough to get me excited, even ignoring the fact that he seems unable to stay healthy.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Mt Matt order would look like this:SchaubRyan StaffordMooreHasselbackCassel

Good list.

 

[brownhelmets]

If he falls far in your draft, he'd be a decent QBBC guy or QB2, imo. I think he has decent upside, but there are definite risks with him, thus the low ADP.I personally wouldn't feel great about a Campbell and Hass qb duo, but maybe something like Eli and Hass.

I could live with an Eli and Hass duo as well. Hass is undervalued and I think the WR corps is better then many give credit for. The defense appears to be one that could be bad meaning a more pass happy approach. Seattle looks to be a team that'll be drafting early again next season.My main concerns would be injury and a poor record leading them to try Whitehurst earlier.

 

[David Yudkin]

Hasselbeck ranked 27th over the past two seasons in terms of fantasy PPG for QB that played in at least 10 games. I'm not sure he has the upside that he did earlier in his career.

 

[Bayhawks]

Thats funny you bring that up. I did a redraft last year and me and another guy were the last to take a QB. He took Hasselbeck two spots ahead of me, and i took the guy i wanted the whole time(Schaub). After the draft, when we got to team evaluate mode, he said the exact same thing about hasselbeck as you are saying.

Why would Hasselbeck be taken ahead of Schaub? And in what league is Matt Schaub the last starting QB picked?

 

[Go deep]

Thats funny you bring that up. I did a redraft last year and me and another guy were the last to take a QB. He took Hasselbeck two spots ahead of me, and i took the guy i wanted the whole time(Schaub). After the draft, when we got to team evaluate mode, he said the exact same thing about hasselbeck as you are saying.

Why would Hasselbeck be taken ahead of Schaub? And in what league is Matt Schaub the last starting QB picked?

A league that took place last year.

 

[travdogg]

The only way I'm picking Hasselbeck this year is if Seattle somehow manages to finagle V-JAX away from SD, and even then he's nothing more than an ok QB2.

 

[MG345]

The only way Hass wins me a title this year is Only if I am playing AGAINST him in the title game.

I get the idea of a bounce back/he's healthy, etc, but people need to realize this is NOT the same pass-happy team that has the play calling and benefit of Mike Holmgren. This team has a different philosophy and, I would argue, its worst collective set of WRs in the last five years.

I can see other guys being out there where Hass would be that I would rather take a shot on.

You must not watch a whole lot of Seahawks. First off, Holmgren was never really a pass happy coach. One year they went to the air about 65-75% of the time and even then, it was only in the second half off the season. He was almost always around a 50% ratio plus or minus a few attempts. Carroll and Bates will pass alot, probably even more than Holmgren did.

Secondly, this is probably the BEST set of WRs they have had in a long time. Granted, it isn't saying much, but the last two years have been dismal. Two years ago they were starting, yes STARTING, the likes of Billy McMullen and Keary Colbert, due to injuries.

I put no stock in Branch, but they have a good veteran in Housh and a bunch of young guys that really have some promise. Butler, Tate, Obomanu, all have great potential. Not that I believe the hype, but Mike Williams has had a pretty strong offseason as well. So there is a lot more going for the WRs than probably the last 3-4 years, since Jackson and Robinson were around. And on top of that they have one of the better young TEs in the league with Carlson. They plan on running a lot of two TE sets, and one of the promising additions has been Anthony McCoy out of USC. Don't be surprised if he makes some waves in the preseason, he will be on the field a lot.

And more so than anything, they have no real running game to speak of. As much as I like Forsett, he isn't scaring anyone. Julius Jones is washed up (never was?) and Washington is coming back from a severe injury and we have no real idea of how he will do.

So all signs point to a lot of passes being thrown. Now, does this mean that Hasselbeck is going to win you a championship? I doubt it. But due to his situation and schedule, he could be a nice addition to a QBBC approach this season.

 

[Go deep]

I still think Whitehurst will take the starting job at some point this season. You dont trade that much for a player and then not give him a chance.

 

[5Rings]

If you load up on RB and WR in the early to mid rounds and draft Hasselbeck late and back him up with a Jason Campbell or Matt Cassel type from the WW you will have a great shot at winning it all.

Matty Hass is healthy and Whitehurst isn’t taking the job this year. Seattle’s D looks to be bad, so look for lots of passing yardage. Cake schedule as well.

4,082 yards passing, 25 TD, 17 INT

You’ll be wearing a mask and holding a gun when you draft him in the late rounds of your 12 team league.

Rotoworld - don't buy their Hassy bashing spin

Matt Hasselbeck-QB- Seahawks Jul. 8 - 10:22 am et

Matt Hasselbeck remains the starting quarterback in Seattle and "his performance this spring has only cemented that status," according to Clare Farnsworth of the team's official site.

Farnsworth says that "The situation at quarterback has been misrepresented since the club made the trade to acquire (Charlie) Whitehurst" and that Hasselbeck "is healthier than he has been in two years and the improvements on the O-line should help insure that remains the case." We aren't doubting that Hasselbeck is the clear starter right now, but we also still wouldn't be surprised if he's not starting by the end of the season, whether it's due to injury or the team going in another direction.

I don't see any OL improvements, I don't see a running game and Hass has a degenerative condition and will break down again.Same as I said last season, Seattle stinks and Hass is fools gold.

Go ahead and flame, seahawk fans

 

[LionsFan78]

Being good value and "winning you an FF Title" are not the same thing...

 

[bonesman]

Thats funny you bring that up. I did a redraft last year and me and another guy were the last to take a QB. He took Hasselbeck two spots ahead of me, and i took the guy i wanted the whole time(Schaub). After the draft, when we got to team evaluate mode, he said the exact same thing about hasselbeck as you are saying.

Why would Hasselbeck be taken ahead of Schaub? And in what league is Matt Schaub the last starting QB picked?

A league that took place last year.

Still!

Every league I drafted in Schaub went relatively early... like 5th 6th rnd.

As for Hass.... he'd be a pretty QB2 in a 16+ team league... but other than that, I doubt I want any part of the guy.

 

[Go deep]

Thats funny you bring that up. I did a redraft last year and me and another guy were the last to take a QB. He took Hasselbeck two spots ahead of me, and i took the guy i wanted the whole time(Schaub). After the draft, when we got to team evaluate mode, he said the exact same thing about hasselbeck as you are saying.

Why would Hasselbeck be taken ahead of Schaub? And in what league is Matt Schaub the last starting QB picked?

A league that took place last year.

Still!

Every league I drafted in Schaub went relatively early... like 5th 6th rnd.

As for Hass.... he'd be a pretty QB2 in a 16+ team league... but other than that, I doubt I want any part of the guy.

Both players went at the end of round 7.

 

[cobalt_27]

Enjoy your crappy season.

 

[Hooper31]

I still think Whitehurst will take the starting job at some point this season. You dont trade that much for a player and then not give him a chance.

That much? In the grand scheme they didn't give up "that much". They gave up far far less than they would have if they had used a first round pick on a QB. Far less. They weren't enamored with any of the QBs available to them in the first, so they went with Whitehurst, and they didn't give up "that much". Perhaps you ought to look into the details and compare it what starters around the league are getting.

 

[Hooper31]

I don't see this at all. The only thing going for him is that Seattle led the league in pass attempts last season.Putting aside health issues, I just don't see much from Hasselbeck. Housh, Golden Tate, Butler and Branch don't excite me as a receiving group. Sure there are some nice receivers at other positions (Carlson/McCoy, Forsett/Washington), but that's just not enough. Sure, Okung was a nice addition, and there are some decent talents on the OL, but it's mostly underwhelming. So yes, they pass a lot. But the OL/WR/QB talents aren't special. Just not enough to get me excited, even ignoring the fact that he seems unable to stay healthy.

I hate to admit it, but I have to agree with most of this assessment. The "special" talents in Seattle during their run this past decade were LT Walter Jones and HC Mike Holmgren. I think you could throw LG Steve Hutchinson in there as well. What I'm really saying is that Hasselbeck was never a special talent. He was a role player on a solid roster. That solid roster just isn't there any more.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

His time (if you can call it that) has come and gone.

 

[Hooper31]

FYI on Whitehurst details:

Seattle moved down 20 spots in the second round (swapping #40 for #60) this year and gave up their 3rd rounder next year.

Whitehurst is under contract for two years for 8 million (with a potential 2 million in incentives).

Will it be a good deal? We'll see. Is that starter money in the NFL? Not even close.

By comparison, the Tampa Bay Bucs drafted QB Josh Freeman with a middle first round pick last year (1.17)

He signed a 5 year 36 million dollar contract (10.245M guaranteed). LINK

If Seattle had used their 1.14 on a QB this year, its a lock that they would have been stuck putting up more money than Tampa Bay did for Freeman. As a Seattle fan, I'm fine with the Whitehurst move. Young unproven QBs are a huge gamble. Seattle was able to gamble at a much cheaper price.

 

[SoopaCee]

hell i have a matt millen draft ahead of hasselbecks qb play

 

[Christo]

See last year's "Michael Bush - The Key to your FF Season" thread.

That was just a year early

 

[C-Bound]

i tried this last year...on the rare occasion i started him he stunk it up. this was usually followed by a great performance on my bench the next week

Same here. I'm done with him. Last time I started him he went 10-29 for 112 yds and no TDs vs. the 'Cards after lighting up the Jags. Good riddance...

 

[TommyGilmore]

The only way Matt Hasselbeck will win you a FF title is if your biggest rival drafts him as his #1 QB.

 

[sholditch]

If you load up on RB and WR in the early to mid rounds and draft Hasselbeck late and back him up with a Jason Campbell or Matt Cassel type from the WW you will have a great shot at winning it all.Matty Hass is healthy and Whitehurst isn’t taking the job this year. Seattle’s D looks to be bad, so look for lots of passing yardage. Cake schedule as well.4,082 yards passing, 25 TD, 17 INT (best year in his career, 07-08, 3966, 28, 12) You’ll be wearing a mask and holding a gun when you draft him in the late rounds of your 12 team league.Rotoworld - don't buy their Hassy bashing spinMatt Hasselbeck-QB- Seahawks Jul. 8 - 10:22 am et Matt Hasselbeck remains the starting quarterback in Seattle and "his performance this spring has only cemented that status," according to Clare Farnsworth of the team's official site.Farnsworth says that "The situation at quarterback has been misrepresented since the club made the trade to acquire (Charlie) Whitehurst" and that Hasselbeck "is healthier than he has been in two years and the improvements on the O-line should help insure that remains the case." We aren't doubting that Hasselbeck is the clear starter right now, but we also still wouldn't be surprised if he's not starting by the end of the season, whether it's due to injury or the team going in another direction.

A lot of the time things are valued low because they simply have no value. IF you think that you are the only one thinking of loading up on backs and WRs you're dead wrong, and if you think starting a QB that will always score less than your opponent's is the road to victory, then your road is going to be a dead-end. Also, those stats on the name Matt Hasselbeck have no business being in the same thread.

 

[swirvenirvin]

If you load up on RB and WR in the early to mid rounds and draft Hasselbeck late and back him up with a Jason Campbell or Matt Cassel type from the WW you will have a great shot at winning it all.Matty Hass is healthy and Whitehurst isn’t taking the job this year. Seattle’s D looks to be bad, so look for lots of passing yardage. Cake schedule as well.4,082 yards passing, 25 TD, 17 INTYou’ll be wearing a mask and holding a gun when you draft him in the late rounds of your 12 team league.Rotoworld - don't buy their Hassy bashing spinMatt Hasselbeck-QB- Seahawks Jul. 8 - 10:22 am et Matt Hasselbeck remains the starting quarterback in Seattle and "his performance this spring has only cemented that status," according to Clare Farnsworth of the team's official site.Farnsworth says that "The situation at quarterback has been misrepresented since the club made the trade to acquire (Charlie) Whitehurst" and that Hasselbeck "is healthier than he has been in two years and the improvements on the O-line should help insure that remains the case." We aren't doubting that Hasselbeck is the clear starter right now, but we also still wouldn't be surprised if he's not starting by the end of the season, whether it's due to injury or the team going in another direction.

This isn't 2006 anymore

 

[ImTheScientist]

Matt is an injury waiting.

 

[cacksman]

I would love nothing better, but even I had to laugh at this one.

 

[Ray_T]

I think the idea here is to draft him as a reserve and if his season turns out better than expected, you give him some spot starts when he is up against weak defenses.

I dont think you draft him as your starter.

This is just common sense. A guy with a history of injury and recent weak performance due to being on a weak team is a guy you draft late for his upside. if you draft him early, he is no longer a bargain.

So take him when the low end second strings are being drafted (or when the early reserve QB's are being taken) and if he turns it around and has a good year, then you got a good player on the cheap. If he doesnt, you didnt risk much.

 

[domvin]

If you load up on RB and WR in the early to mid rounds and draft Hasselbeck late and back him up with a Jason Campbell or Matt Cassel type from the WW you will have a great shot at winning it all.Matty Hass is healthy and Whitehurst isn’t taking the job this year. Seattle’s D looks to be bad, so look for lots of passing yardage. Cake schedule as well.4,082 yards passing, 25 TD, 17 INTYou’ll be wearing a mask and holding a gun when you draft him in the late rounds of your 12 team league.Rotoworld - don't buy their Hassy bashing spinMatt Hasselbeck-QB- Seahawks Jul. 8 - 10:22 am et Matt Hasselbeck remains the starting quarterback in Seattle and "his performance this spring has only cemented that status," according to Clare Farnsworth of the team's official site.Farnsworth says that "The situation at quarterback has been misrepresented since the club made the trade to acquire (Charlie) Whitehurst" and that Hasselbeck "is healthier than he has been in two years and the improvements on the O-line should help insure that remains the case." We aren't doubting that Hasselbeck is the clear starter right now, but we also still wouldn't be surprised if he's not starting by the end of the season, whether it's due to injury or the team going in another direction.

If Hass has 4100 yards, I will change my name to Houshmannajeh

 

[Bears_Man2]

I'd want something a lot more stable than Campbell or Cassel to pair with him.

 

[NajehHejan]

Ok, I will admit that my enthusiasm for Matty Hass may have been a bit overboard, but I'm still pretty shocked that nobody thinks he can be a viable starter this year.

1) Absolute cake schedule

2) Running game should be halfway decent with Forsett and Washington (if healthy)

3) Some up and coming talent/playmakers at WR (Butler/Tate/Carlson should be able to stretch the field a bit)

4) Defense not the best so they should be playing catch-up a lot

5) All reports suggest he's the healthiest in years

Comeback Player of the Year is not out of the question. I could see a late career resurgence for Matty Hass a la Rich Gannon, Trent Green. Neither of those QB's were world beaters by any means, but had some success in the twilight of their careers.

I will gladly take my lumps if I'm wrong, but be sure to know that this bump will be extra tasty if I'm right.

 

[5Rings]

He's not a guy that you want as a every week starter, probably not even as a #2QB, but with that schedule you could definitely serve yourself well having him as a spot-starter. And from the replies in this thread, he would be a good bet to land late in your re-draft.

It's not like you're going to need to break the bank to get him. He'll score the most pts of any QB in the NFC West this year.

i'll take that bet. total fantasy pts at year end. you are on

 

[Hooper31]

He's not a guy that you want as a every week starter, probably not even as a #2QB, but with that schedule you could definitely serve yourself well having him as a spot-starter. And from the replies in this thread, he would be a good bet to land late in your re-draft.

It's not like you're going to need to break the bank to get him. He'll score the most pts of any QB in the NFC West this year.

i'll take that bet. total fantasy pts at year end. you are on

Are you taking this bet because of your expectations for a different NFC West QB? Or just because you doubt Hasselbeck can outperform the field? I think I'm on your side, but because of the later, not the former. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hasselbeck listed on an odds chart as favored to be the top producing QB from the NFC West.

 

[TitanicHornet]

Meh ill take my WRs and RBs and grab Eli in the 6th or 7th. Better chance of winning it with him than Hassel.

 

[slayer666]

Hasselbeck has a fork sticking out of his keester.

 

[msommer]

Got him for peanuts in my auction. Potential QB3 or roster cut.

 

[sholditch]

Ok, I will admit that my enthusiasm for Matty Hass may have been a bit overboard, but I'm still pretty shocked that nobody thinks he can be a viable starter this year.

1) Absolute cake schedule

2) Running game should be halfway decent with Forsett and Washington (if healthy)

3) Some up and coming talent/playmakers at WR (Butler/Tate/Carlson should be able to stretch the field a bit)

4) Defense not the best so they should be playing catch-up a lot

5) All reports suggest he's the healthiest in years

Comeback Player of the Year is not out of the question. I could see a late career resurgence for Matty Hass a la Rich Gannon, Trent Green. Neither of those QB's were world beaters by any means, but had some success in the twilight of their careers.

I will gladly take my lumps if I'm wrong, but be sure to know that this bump will be extra tasty if I'm right.

yeah, it really is.