Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
es-coose me.
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the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
How? By wasting my time responding to your idiotic posts? OK...call me obstinate then.I guess you are going ahead and proving my point that you are being obstinate?
Thank you Mr. Webster. I believe I already stated as much above.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Oh, I'm sorry - there's another word for obstinate, Someone who does not know how to disagree and can only make their points by calling someone idiotic or ignorant if they disagree. You OBVIOUSLY don't know what the word means since you posted this:
-then you said that if I thought Young's game was like Vick, I was ignorant.
-then you did not post anything to prove your point, you just repeated that if I thought Young's game was like Vick's, I'm an idiot.
-then you called my posts idiotic.
Be excellent, or be gone.
Prove your point, or not, but quit with the insults.
This is a disagreement, and not a reason to call someone "idiotic" "ignorant" or anything else. You are however, being obstinate by simply posting "if you disagree with me you are ignorant" or by posting "I am responding to idiotic posts"-first you insulted me by saying I got my info from ESPN
-then you said that if I thought Young's game was like Vick, I was ignorant.
-then you did not post anything to prove your point, you just repeated that if I thought Young's game was like Vick's, I'm an idiot.
-then you called my posts idiotic.
Be excellent, or be gone.
Prove your point, or not, but quit with the insults.
matuski
Footballguy
Mr scotsman fits my sig to a tee.For the love of god man.. VY is anything but impressive so far, yet you are taking every single negative opinion of him personally. Your arguements are 95% emotion. Reread this post above... what did that accomplish? Your bias is overwhelming your ability to stay level-headed.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
LOL.I haven't heard anyone else offering anything to back up their claims. Stay tuned.
shakeybarn
Footballguy
Lost in much of the Leinhart rhetoric I'm seeing, is that Gradkowski put up the same numbers with Joey Galloway vs having Boldin and Fitz.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
In this past week's round table discussion, we talked about these guys and I thought Gradkwowski was stepping into the best system for success of all three QBs. Tampa Bay doesn't hang their QB out there like AZ does, and TB has a better threat in Caddy than the Cards have in Edge -at least as a runner.I still think that, over the rest of this season, Leinart is a better fantasy play than Gradkowski - and both are going to be better (or, at least, more consistent) fantasy plays than Young.In dynsaty termns, I'd go Lerinart then Young then Gradkowski (I bet Gruden goes QB in next year's draft if Sim,ms is not 100% during the offseason).
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
What do you call someone who can't be disagreed with without in turn twisting words and putting words into someone's mouth?
That's not what I said.
Nope. Didn't say that...not even once. Show me where I did.
Did say that, but not for the reason you seem to think. I said it because of all the twisting of words you're just demonstrating again with this post.
Young came from a balanced-running 11-personnel (3 WR) spread offense. "Balanced-running" as opposed to "running" which means it's either run-exclusive or run-dominant. Texas passed the ball a lot last year and a lot of their rush attempts came in garbage time when the result of the game was no longer in question. In other words, when the game's result was being contested, Texas had a very balanced offense. The base formation was the 3 wide shotgun set. Texas used the 3 wide shotgun set 73% of the time with the other sets having an even distribution. Vick is better at straight line running and has better arm strength, but arm strength is somewhat overrated. Vick has a very strong arm. Young has a strong arm. Young is a more accurate passer and is better at open field running and creating space for himself. Vick's a bit faster overall and has remarkable acceleration (although Young's is very good). Vick is also better at running a speed/perimeter option. You'll notice when VY ran that speed option (be it shotgun or under center) he'd just skip down the line and either take off up the middle or pitch it. Vick could actually sprint to and turn the corner. These differences are mostly due to the fact that they played in very different offenses in college. Vick played in a very run-exclusive I-back pseudo-option offense. Young played in the spread. Those offenses require very different attributes from their QB's even if both are comparable in terms of athletic ability. VT's offense, while very effective largely because of Vick, was much more simplistic than Texas's, which was very effective largely because of Young. It's kinda funny that people call Texas's shotgun spread "one-read." Another difference was that Young was better at the inside option (zone read). He made better reads and knew how to out-maneuver people in open fields.Young uses more finesse in his arsenal. He changes direction better than Vick and his passing is more accuracy-based as opposed to strength-based. That's not to say that Young is soft. He has plenty of power moves, but he didn't rely on them as heavily as Vick did. Young is much bigger, more powerful runner, capable of running through tacklers or around and by them. He uses his moves to create space, then runs away from people with his speed. The Colts' DE Freeney can attest very well to this point, I'm sure. Defenders tend to underestimate his speed due to his very long stride, but he's plenty fast. Young has excellent downfield vision and tends to get hit very rarely in the open field. When he does, he's usually moving with the hit rather than against it. Most of the hard hits he takes are when he stays in the pocket, not the reverse. While he's quite adept at getting OB when running with the ball anywhere within striking distance of the sidelines, he does need to learn to get down when he's about to be hit in the open field by someone his size or better. It's just not in his nature to back down. We'll see. He has amazing strength in the pocket and confounds opponents with his ability to repeatedly complete passes or throw away balls with large defenders hanging around his waist while he stands upright. I'm guessing Freeney can also vouch for that point after hanging from Young's legs and watching him throw a ball away, avoiding a very costly sack. During his soph year at Texas, this ability would often get Young into hot water, as he would try to do too much on many such occasions. Vick uses his quickness to make people miss, then blows them away with his speed. He takes more direct hits in the open field, as his vision is limited in comparison to Young's by his smaller stature (Vick: 6'0", 215, Young: 6'5", 235-240). He also tends to cut back into hard blindside hits. Vick has been dinged a lot, probably in part due to this. I'm not sure if this was the case during Vick's college career, but Young was exceedingly durable, in combination due to his vison, his size, and his running style..a great OL didn't hurt either. He also played through minor to moderate injury with no discernable ill effect. As for his NFL durability, the jury's obviously still out.
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
If I have the time for a retort, I will tell you - again and in more detail - why Young's game = Vick's. Including how Vick's rookie year looked a lot like Young's so far.
bostonfred
Footballguy
antibumping this to fix the time zone issue
It was 1999 he didn't play again for 3 years...what am I missing?
