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That may not be entirely true about the contract. Rookie contracts run fairly cheap and they are about to enter into an uncapped year. Heck the Giants just traded for Sage Rosenfels. It does speak volumes that no one wanted him. Doesn't mean he won't end up getting a chance I just think most teams know by now what he is.GordonGekko said:Sometimes Fantasy perspective becomes a tunnel that some cannot break out of.
Interesting that CLE has one of the worst QB situations in the league--but the starting QB in AZ is someone CLE discarded (possibly ironic?). I'm not arguing with you... Delhomme and Wallace are sad alternatives... just pointing it out... Just a guess but I can see OAK being all over Leinhart.You would hope that getting cut would be a wake up call for him--but I'm betting similar to BMW it will take a while (a couple years) for it to sink in that just because he was all that and a bag of chips in college (when he had a great supporting cast)...his BMOC status from USC doesn't mean crappo in the NFL.The list of players who came out of USC and were the suck in the NFL because they were lazy, undisicplined primma donnas who learned nothing in college continues to grow. I think that speaks volumes about the type of coach PC was/is.
Leinart is owed 7+ mill next year, which, if they play, will have a cap. I certainly don't think the salary is the ONLY issue, but no one was going to take it on.That may not be entirely true about the contract. Rookie contracts run fairly cheap and they are about to enter into an uncapped year. Heck the Giants just traded for Sage Rosenfels. It does speak volumes that no one wanted him. Doesn't mean he won't end up getting a chance I just think most teams know by now what he is.GordonGekko said:Sometimes Fantasy perspective becomes a tunnel that some cannot break out of.
Al Davis was a Leinart guy, but he saw in person Leinart lay an egg vs. the Raiders last summer, and Grad and Boller have both looked better than Leinart this summer, playing with backups. I woiuldn't rule it out totally, but it would really surprise me.
Actually, he was drafted 25th overall, but yeah, your point still stands.
It is shocking actually. 2 months ago if you would have said that Matt Leinart is just going to be released 1 week before the season starts, everyone would have been shocked. Obviously things have regressed since then but still, things went sour REAL QUICK. I don't blame Arizona, in fact I applaud them. These guys all think it's their right to play in the NFL instead of a priviledge.
Don't paint me as some clown that's willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater just because he didn't help my fantasy team.He has been in the league for a while, showed that he feels entitled, thinks he should be a starter, and can't move an offense that lit it up last year. His supposed college strengths, accuracy and leadership, never appeared here, and there has been pretty much nothing to suggest he can win games as a starter. And really, that's what we're talking about here: can he win games at QB? You want to suggest he can be a nice backup? Great. But the fact is, if he goes anywhere, he's a story, a potential distraction, and thinks he should be handed a starting job by someone else. You get less headaches, and probably more team-first attitude, from almost any other backup out there. If he gets a complete attitude change, gets humbled, and his work ethic improves, could he turn things around? Sure, why not? QBs without great physical traits have been successful. But why should we care about this one? Because he was a big deal in college? What gives people a hint that he WILL turn things around? All we have heard this summer is "I played better than DA, Whiz doesn't like me". Me, Me, Me, I, I, I.GordonGekko said:
Current disagree more. It's certainly true many of them haven't worked out. But to blame Carroll for this makes no sense. USC under his tenure was the best team in college football. It may have been, for a few years, the best team EVER in college football. He did what he was supposed to do: win. As a UCLA fan, I didn't like it, but I never saw the lack of discipline you're talking about. And Carroll always seemed like a very classy guy. And what about the defensive players? Plenty of them from the Carroll era have certainly excelled in the NFL.
inside of 4 years Lienert has gone from top QB draft pick heir apparent to less value than jim sorgi.GordonGekko said:
Other: he was a mediocre talent with no work ethic who survived at USC because of the superior talent around him. Now he is being exposed as a weak armed malcontent with the iq of a pez dispenser. But we all have value. I am sure he scores very good blow and with the ladies, but he's no quarterback.GordonGekko said:
Very sad what has happened to GG.
I'd definitely have more interest in him. He's always been a guy that's an actual leader and doesn't just expect to have everything handed to him. I'm sure that he'd be more than willing to come in as the #2 as well, unlike Leinart. Kind of weird that he got cut though. I thought I remembered hearing that there were teams that inquired about trading for him earlier this year and that Baltimore turned them down. If so, Baltimore screwed up and screwed Smith over as well.I really hope the Bills give him a look and consider booting Fitzpatrick or Brohm for Smith.
Very good call.
Drew Brees is also the most accurate passer in the NFL and has field vision that is near godlike. He forced himself into that to make up for his height problems and is very mobile. If Max works his ### off, he has a shot. I hope he does. I haven't seen him play yet though.
Leinart is pretty much the opposite of the kind of quarterbacks Al Davis goes for.
He's the anti-Jamarcus. Obsessive.http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/...ll-bickley.htmlDrew Brees is also the most accurate passer in the NFL and has field vision that is near godlike. He forced himself into that to make up for his height problems and is very mobile. If Max works his ### off, he has a shot. I hope he does. I haven't seen him play yet though.Max Hall may be a major surprise in this league. I think the whole league missed out on him because of his size mainly, but to me he possesses the "it" factor. I'm excited to see him get a shot somewhere down the line and see what he does with it.ETA -- he's just about the same ht/wt as Drew Brees, 6'1" 210 lb. Not being 6'5" hasn't seemed to hurt Brees.When you see what the Cards are left with, it makes you realize how bad Leinart really is.
Too easy.They should let him be Matt Cassel's backup.
That's beautiful.
Might be tough on the brain part. He went to SC.
Nope.
I like it.
Or Cutler's backup.
There's some symbolism that I believe you're missing here.
There's some lhucks/Leinart history you're missing.
Where? It's not so much about supplanting a starter, but being better than a backup? I can't think of many teams that would prefer Leinart to their backup, much less their starter.Phil McRevis said:
bostonfred said:
I don't disagree with you that USC was dominant in college football. However saying its due to Carroll's coaching is somewhat laughable to me. USC annually has among the best recruiting classes in the nation... stacking 4 and 5 star recruits 2-3 deep at each position. Carroll would have to be a horrendous coach to NOT win with the talent he had at USC. I've never read anything about Carroll running a disicplined program.... infact being a Detroit homer I read tons of things that were just the opposite-->Mike Williams... tons of articles out there that he skipped USC practices and when he was there didn't participate or try hard--but on gameday he was still the starter--never faced any consequences for loafing/skipping out-- as long as he put up the numbers (based just on raw talent and supporting cast)... Carroll never said a word. Read similar things about Leinhart--that he was all ego at USC and felt he owned the campus (probably did too)... that he wasn't a hard worker and had success just based on the aweseome talent around him. Same things about LenWhale White--who signed with TEN and immediately drove up the stock of Krispy Kreme (along with Mike Williams). How's Dwayne Jarrett working out in CAR? Picking things up quickly--great work ethic? Just way too many recent examples of key players from USC offense coming into the NFL and thinking they will be handed a job and not have to work/practice to be good... that they'll get by on talent alone. That's what they learned in college. I agree defense seems to be a different story... still doesn't discount it happened with the offense and IMO (especially with star players) that's Carroll's influence (or he's ultimately responsible for it). As far as being a class act... in addition to stars who are struggling.. isn't USC facing NCAA sanctions related to when Carroll was the coach? I'm fuzzy on details because I'll admit I'm not a Carroll fan... but its intertesting he jumps ship when the sanctions are about to hit and leaves the program hanging. That's class.timschochet said:
Reason for cut: Risk>Reward. He's already complained in the media about being the potential backup. Then Max Hall has outperformed him (and DA) all camp/preseason, showing better command in as a rookie than Leinart has in 3+ years in the system. Matt wasn't going to see a dime of the $10+ mil next year (so he wasn't the future here), DA's played no worse than Matt (and therefore wasn't the present)Matt's preseason performance wasn't awful. It wasn't impressive (constant dump offs, happy feet & won't consistently stay in the pocket). He's just not a starting quality QB (doesn't have the physical tools). He's Trent Edwards West, but Whiz realized now what Buffalo's been unable to --- that they aren't starting QB's that are going to take you anywhere soon.He may have a future as a backup QB (if he gets over the nonsense that he's a starter). At some point he'll realize that AZ was his first chance and best chance at success at the NFL level (as is the case most of the time with these high picks). I don't personally think it would have mattered (as Hall is the better QB right now -- whether anyone agrees/disagrees with Whiz's thoughts), but crying in the media sealed his fate in AZ. That move could actually turn off future suitors as well.I'm just real happy Whiz made the move because Max was the best in camp & best in the preseason. There aren't a lot of coaches out there with the balls to make this move. (Giving your backup QB spot to an undrafted rookie QB).
Lots of talk that he'll be sent to the PS and the Leinart rumors can continue. However, I just don't see it (leinart). PC has repeatedly shown that being a Trojan isn't a free pass in Seattle (Mays, LoJack, White) and there's simply no reason after the Whitehurst trade for him to be interested at all in another backup with no upside to be behind an aging fan favorite.
After the Whitehurst trade, picking up Leinart is a story/hassle/controversy I think Carroll would be smart to avoid. Who needs endless speculation about people second-guessing the CW deal as the season is about to start? Hass is the guy this year, they don't need the backup QB spot to be a major point of interest.
Seattle would look kind of silly if New England decided to re-claim him off waviers.
Not like that wily and elusive Kurt Warner.
Why? Zak would have to make the 53 man roster, and every team can lose a PS guy to someone that wants to activate him. Zak choosing Seattle's PS over the Pats' makes sense (assuming Pats wanted him on PS).
