Matt Leinart will be undervalued in '07 :yes: (1 Viewer)

[Warehouse Nasty]

I knew I was missing someone. And yes, I agree on McNabb. I'm simply pointing out that there are about 10-12 possibilities here so I don't see how in any way that Leinart is ranked #19 in preseason.

I can't imagine he will be, but stranger things have happened. That offense is too potent to be ignored - Warner got a solid ranking preseason and Leinart is way more talented IMO. As far as hype -- at first Leinart got lots of pre and post-draft press - mostly for being 'Hollywood' but in general folks were talking about him way more than VY.It's changed now since Vince has made some great highlight reel plays. Ultimately I think they are both playing well -- I will say Young has far fewer weapons than Matt whivh makes some of what he has done more impressive. But they are both well on their way to becoming very good QBs.I think the Titans and Cards should be arrested for theft -- they got steals with those guys - especially the Cards -- no way Leinart should have left the top 10 (well - 9 -- he was the #10 - my memory was fogged). ... in my opinion.....

Very good post. Regarding Leinart's 2007 preseason ranking, which was the original topic here, I think that Leinart will be right around 12 for the reasons you state above. Lots of weapons, pass happy offense, improvement from Warner, etc.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

On a related note, Houston is (rightfully so) catching a ton of flack for passing on VY and Bush and taking Willams. I wonder why nobody gets on Oakland for passing on Leinart when they desparately need a QB?

 

[Archie Bunker]

Seattle's defense is no where near one of the best in the league.

Where did I say it was the best in the league?

Semantics. You said Seattle had a strong defense, implying that it was one of the best. Seattle is middle of the pack, at best. Not what I would consider strong. They have given up at least 20 points in 9 of the last 10 games (with Oak land being the lone exception. WHOOOOO HOOOOO!!!!).

 

[NoFBinLA]

On a related note, Houston is (rightfully so) catching a ton of flack for passing on VY and Bush and taking Willams. I wonder why nobody gets on Oakland for passing on Leinart when they desparately need a QB?

Because they are Oakland. I think mpst people feel Granny lost his touch years ago and merely shrug at the inept moves (or lack thereof) that they make.I guess people haven't begun to lower their front office expectations for Houston the same way.I would actually say passing on Leinart and Cutler might have been (long term) an even bigger blunder than Houston and Bush/VY.

 

[The Jacket]

Leinart's "amazing rookie season"?

 

[comfortably numb]

This thread had potential :(

 

[Otis]

With the VY hype in full effect(a la Michael Vick), and with Leinart playing for one of the least publicized organizations in pro football...his amazing rookie year is pretty much going unnoticed. You can pretty much bank on it that Leinart is going to be undervalued by the fantasy community. He'll probably be ranked in my #8 - #12 range for '07.Most publications/websites will erroneously have him ranked much lower than that....probably around the #19 spot.Here is your first value play for next year.

Agree completely. As I pointed out in another thread (which considers VY for offensive ROY among others, but neglects even a mention of Leinart), Leinart has quietly broken throwing records and put a bad team in position to win a lot of games they should not win -- and win games they shouldn't (i.e., Seattle). Kid is good, and with those weapons, he'll only get better.

 

[Otis]

Leinart's "amazing rookie season"?

Guess who currently holds the NFL record for most passing yards in a game for a rookie.Got it yet?

 

[Slingblade]

Leinart's "amazing rookie season"?

Guess who currently holds the NFL record for most passing yards in a game for a rookie.Got it yet?

Not that hard with a team that gets behind fast and has two of the best WRs in the NFL.

 

[kensat30]

Have you ever considered the fact that maybe they can both be great QBs? And that the success of one does not depend on the failure of another?

Leinart will be great, HOF type of potential.VY will be good, Randall Cunningham type potential.My stance on this has never changed.

Is that an argument against Vince Young the fantasy football player?Randall Cunningham put up some monster fantasy stats early in his career.

 

[dparker713]

Leinart's "amazing rookie season"?

Guess who currently holds the NFL record for most passing yards in a game for a rookie.Got it yet?

Didn't he have 51 attempts in that game and they only rushed like 3 times? Plus they lost. I think he's playing very well, but he's not having an amazing season. He's not going to come anywhere close to the season Peyton put up. Thats his bar as a pocket passer, and he's well short of it.

 

[AnonymousBob]

LHUCKS has some pretty good shticks 'round these parts.

 

[Otis]

Leinart's "amazing rookie season"?

Guess who currently holds the NFL record for most passing yards in a game for a rookie.Got it yet?

Didn't he have 51 attempts in that game and they only rushed like 3 times? Plus they lost. I think he's playing very well, but he's not having an amazing season. He's not going to come anywhere close to the season Peyton put up. Thats his bar as a pocket passer, and he's well short of it.

You're setting Peyton Manning's season as the bar?Tough crowd.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Have you ever considered the fact that maybe they can both be great QBs? And that the success of one does not depend on the failure of another?

Leinart will be great, HOF type of potential.VY will be good, Randall Cunningham type potential.



My stance on this has never changed.

And never will.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

switch receiving cores and Matt would be worthless

 

[Brewzers]

He played like #### against the Giants for most of the game, and then he beat up on one of the worst defenses in the NFL...big f'ing deal.

That is just not true. VY played very well against the Giants. Two lost fumbles stopped sustained drives by the Titans and led to two easy Giant TDs. Regardless, Vince was playing very well.

 

[bbuster]

Seattle's defense is no where near one of the best in the league.

Where did I say it was the best in the league?

Semantics. You said Seattle had a strong defense, implying that it was one of the best. Seattle is middle of the pack, at best. Not what I would consider strong. They have given up at least 20 points in 9 of the last 10 games (with Oak land being the lone exception. WHOOOOO HOOOOO!!!!).

Minnesota was listed as the other "tough" defense...ranked 26th against the pass doesn't seem too tough to me. I do agree with LHUCKS though. I think Leinart is going to be a very good QB and I do think he will represent good value in next years draft. Leinart looks very poised in the pocket and seems to make good decisions.I remember thinking that he looked like a veteran in his first preseason game and the kid had just gotten to training camp. I'm not sure he will go as low as 19, but even if he drops below the top 10, he should represent good value.

 

[BigJim®]

..his amazing rookie year is pretty much going unnoticed.

I agree that he'll probably have value but I wouldn't characterize his rookie year as amazing. He's been good at times and has a good upside but amazing is overstating his accomplishments to date. Among the rookie qb's...Young 15.96 ppg

Cutler 15.8 ppg

Leinart 15.2 ppg

You need to watch him play...fantasy stats aren't telling the story. He has looked like a veteran against some strong defenses recently.(Seattle, Minnesota)

Yeah, the Minnesota Viking pass defense certainly is strong. And when I say strong I mean 27th ranked strong. Only 26 teams can claim to be better than that.

 

[dparker713]

Leinart's "amazing rookie season"?

Guess who currently holds the NFL record for most passing yards in a game for a rookie.Got it yet?

Didn't he have 51 attempts in that game and they only rushed like 3 times? Plus they lost. I think he's playing very well, but he's not having an amazing season. He's not going to come anywhere close to the season Peyton put up. Thats his bar as a pocket passer, and he's well short of it.

You're setting Peyton Manning's season as the bar?Tough crowd.

For an 'amazing rookie season', yes the bar is Peyton. I think he's playing very well for a rookie. I dont think he's playing amazing or even great.

 

[Bevo]

switch receiving cores and Matt would be worthless

I don't think he would be worthless but there is no doubt in my mind that things would be a LOT tougher for him. It would be fun to see what Vince would do if he had a Fitz clone and an Anquan clone as his 1 and 2.

 

[Hunterbeer]

On a related note, Houston is (rightfully so) catching a ton of flack for passing on VY and Bush and taking Willams. I wonder why nobody gets on Oakland for passing on Leinart when they desparately need a QB?

Maybe they thought they would get first dibs on Brady Quinn? Who knows what the Raiders are doing these days.

 

[Otis]

Leinart's "amazing rookie season"?

Guess who currently holds the NFL record for most passing yards in a game for a rookie.Got it yet?

Didn't he have 51 attempts in that game and they only rushed like 3 times? Plus they lost. I think he's playing very well, but he's not having an amazing season. He's not going to come anywhere close to the season Peyton put up. Thats his bar as a pocket passer, and he's well short of it.

You're setting Peyton Manning's season as the bar?Tough crowd.

For an 'amazing rookie season', yes the bar is Peyton. I think he's playing very well for a rookie. I dont think he's playing amazing or even great.

Per FBGs, over the past 3 weeks, only two QBs in the NFL have thrown for more yards than Leinart -- Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.

 

[enfuego]

With the VY hype in full effect(a la Michael Vick), and with Leinart playing for one of the least publicized organizations in pro football...his amazing rookie year is pretty much going unnoticed. You can pretty much bank on it that Leinart is going to be undervalued by the fantasy community. He'll probably be ranked in my #8 - #12 range for '07.Most publications/websites will erroneously have him ranked much lower than that....probably around the #19 spot.Here is your first value play for next year.

Just checking the temperature here...

 

[phthalatemagic]

Now if only I would have written that down

 

[ImTheScientist]

Now if only I would have written that down

I did To be fair....its only been 3 weeks....let the season play out before calling people out.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

 

[cobalt_27]

Now if only I would have written that down

I did To be fair....its only been 3 weeks....let the season play out before calling people out.

This is the consequence of not putting LHUCKS on ignore.

 

[Eagle Eye]

Leinart will put up numbers with almost any coach...the team is too heavily invested in the passing game.

 

[TheFanatic]

Now if only I would have written that down

I did To be fair....its only been 3 weeks....let the season play out before calling people out.

When the guy gets benched in week 3 and earlier in the season admitted to watching no game film on the opposing team, I think it's perfectly OK to start bumping this kinda stuff...ETA, oh and this is LHUCKS we're talking about here. This is perfectly acceptable....

 

[Neofight]

Leinart will put up numbers with almost any coach...the team is too heavily invested in the passing game.

Not so much in LHUCKS defense, but more so in Leinart's; I will say that it's Wisenhunt who should be roundly flogged for the mess in AZ. Having seen his presser and heard him talking in circles about the QB situation, never really completing his thoughts, one can only assume things will get worse in the desert before they get better. It's a pity too, because there is a lot of talent on that offense and Leinart really did make strides down the stretch last year. It remains to be seen how this affects his confidence, but I can't imagine Wisenhunt has set the stage for his success with this.After watching I realized why Cowher recommended that the Rooney's look outside the organization when hiring his replacement. I think he honestly must have felt that Wisenhunt (and Grimm) were not up to the task.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Now if only I would have written that down

I did To be fair....its only been 3 weeks....let the season play out before calling people out.

When the guy gets benched in week 3 and earlier in the season admitted to watching no game film on the opposing team, I think it's perfectly OK to start bumping this kinda stuff...ETA, oh and this is LHUCKS we're talking about here. This is perfectly acceptable....

Wow, I missed that tidbit. I'm hoping it was taken out of context...

 

[LHUCKS]

Uhhh...whoever the Einstein that bumped this didn't realize that this thread was started before AZ brought over the Pittsburgh coaches.

I also believe that Leinart is going to turn it around...he's the most talented passer to come out since Carson Palmer.

 

[cobalt_27]

Leinart will put up numbers with almost any coach...the team is too heavily invested in the passing game.

 

[LHUCKS]

Leinart will put up numbers with almost any coach...the team is too heavily invested in the passing game.

:11:

 

[Chunky Soup]

Uhhh...whoever the Einstein that bumped this didn't realize that this thread was started before AZ brought over the Pittsburgh coaches. I also believe that Leinart is going to turn it around...he's the most talented passer to come out since Carson Palmer.

This is bordering on H.K. ridiculousness.

 

[enfuego]

Uhhh...whoever the Einstein that bumped this didn't realize that this thread was started before AZ brought over the Pittsburgh coaches.

QUOTE(TwinTurbo @ Sep 17 2007, 05:34 PM) LHUCKS trying to expose the tools on this board is like OJ trying to expose the real killer.

 

[zoonation]

Leinart will put up numbers with almost any coach...the team is too heavily invested in the passing game.

:11:

It is so funny that you refuse to eat crow on this terrible call. 8-12 range...lol. Oh, but it is the coaching hire that is to blame. All you ever so is prove people right when they describe your sophmoric behavior. It should be clear to anyone that watches football that Leinart is indecissive, cannot throw the deep out and in fact is not a great passer. Warner came in and actually maximized the talent at wideout.The fact that you never own up to being wrong is just one of the many reasons why you are so annoying. Act like an adult for once.

 

[Alluro]

Leinart will put up numbers with almost any coach...the team is too heavily invested in the passing game.

:11:

It is so funny that you refuse to eat crow on this terrible call. 8-12 range...lol. Oh, but it is the coaching hire that is to blame. All you ever so is prove people right when they describe your sophmoric behavior. It should be clear to anyone that watches football that Leinart is indecissive, cannot throw the deep out and in fact is not a great passer. Warner came in and actually maximized the talent at wideout.The fact that you never own up to being wrong is just one of the many reasons why you are so annoying. Act like an adult for once.

Leinart was about as sure a sure thing as sure can get coming out of school. He can make all the throws, and has a much stronger arm than Warner. Warner has the edge in that he's a better decision maker and has a quicker release. I still feel in the end Leinart will have a solid season and be a hot pickup going into next season. LHUCKS was just a year too early

 

[Rovers]

Uhhh...whoever the Einstein that bumped this didn't realize that this thread was started before AZ brought over the Pittsburgh coaches. I also believe that Leinart is going to turn it around...he's the most talented passer to come out since Carson Palmer.

:11:

 

[tombonneau]

Leinart might not look like a hot pick now ... but -- and not sure if it was mentioned previously -- he has a pretty easy 2nd half schedule.

I'm actually shocked how bad he looked for two games this year. And until this Warner business is sorted out, he's borderline unstartable.

 

[enfuego]

Leinart will put up numbers with almost any coach...the team is too heavily invested in the passing game.

:11:

LHUCKS = "I did not have sex with that quarterback...Mr. Leinart"....

 

[GDogg]

Leinart will put up numbers with almost any coach...the team is too heavily invested in the passing game.

:11:

It is so funny that you refuse to eat crow on this terrible call. 8-12 range...lol. Oh, but it is the coaching hire that is to blame. All you ever so is prove people right when they describe your sophmoric behavior. It should be clear to anyone that watches football that Leinart is indecissive, cannot throw the deep out and in fact is not a great passer. Warner came in and actually maximized the talent at wideout.The fact that you never own up to being wrong is just one of the many reasons why you are so annoying. Act like an adult for once.

Leinart was about as sure a sure thing as sure can get coming out of school. He can make all the throws, and has a much stronger arm than Warner. Warner has the edge in that he's a better decision maker and has a quicker release. I still feel in the end Leinart will have a solid season and be a hot pickup going into next season. LHUCKS was just a year too early

This isn't true. There were lots of concerns about his physical tools, particularly his arm strength.

 

[Kiddnets]

Is this all jumping the gun a bit? Do people actually believe that Warner is going to outright take Leinart's job? I mean they have invested a ton in the kid - are they really just going to gie up on him? Coach says Leinart is still the starter - I see this as a buy low opportunity in keeper leagues. I figured he would be a top 10 QB this year and now you can get him for pennies on the dollar.

Whats the thought out there

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Is this all jumping the gun a bit? Do people actually believe that Warner is going to outright take Leinart's job? I mean they have invested a ton in the kid - are they really just going to gie up on him? Coach says Leinart is still the starter - I see this as a buy low opportunity in keeper leagues. I figured he would be a top 10 QB this year and now you can get him for pennies on the dollar. Whats the thought out there

In two more years when they Fire Whis and Grimm, maybe his value will be ok.Whis has obviously screwed with his mechanics and head too much. You can just see lienart is thinking way too much out there

 

[mbuehner]

The prediction I can live with- at least he showed some balls. The 'write it down' is, of course, inexcuseable. Anyone that has used it any later than 1998 should be beaten over the head with bumps for the rest of eternity. Although thats not really punishment enough in my eyes. You go girl. Talk to the hand. Book it.

 

[Joe T]

Now if only I would have written that down

I did To be fair....its only been 3 weeks....let the season play out before calling people out.

When the guy gets benched in week 3 and earlier in the season admitted to watching no game film on the opposing team, I think it's perfectly OK to start bumping this kinda stuff...ETA, oh and this is LHUCKS we're talking about here. This is perfectly acceptable....

 

[Kiddnets]

Is this all jumping the gun a bit? Do people actually believe that Warner is going to outright take Leinart's job? I mean they have invested a ton in the kid - are they really just going to gie up on him? Coach says Leinart is still the starter - I see this as a buy low opportunity in keeper leagues. I figured he would be a top 10 QB this year and now you can get him for pennies on the dollar. Whats the thought out there

In two more years when they Fire Whis and Grimm, maybe his value will be ok.Whis has obviously screwed with his mechanics and head too much. You can just see lienart is thinking way too much out there

Couldn't this just be growing pains of a young QB learning a new system - as long as he is not completely benched by Warner I would take a gamble on him especially in keeper leagues - too many weapons around him not to eventually do well.

 

[Legion of Doom]

Is this all jumping the gun a bit?

Yep it's more of a lets bash Lhucks thread.3 games don't make a season guys and it just makes you look foolish bumping it at this stage.If you were smart now is the time to trade for Leinart.FWIW Warner was the NFC player of the week,week 1 in 2006.How did that turn out for him?

 

[Legion of Doom]

The prediction I can live with- at least he showed some balls.

Yep Most of the folks bashing Lhucks don't have the gumption to post thier own thoughts and make it public record.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I agree with LHUCKS - I think Leinart is the best passer to enter the league since Palmer, although Roethlisberger would be close. I think that the "invincibility" he carried with him at USC may be faltering a bit, and he needs to hang on to that moxy for sure. But in terms of decision making both at the line of scrimmage and after the ball is snapped, he is the best to come out since Palmer. He does not have as live an arm as some guys (including Ben), but that's been shown as an overrated asset.