Matt Leinart will be undervalued in '07 :yes: (1 Viewer)

[mdog1967]

Uhhh...whoever the Einstein that bumped this didn't realize that this thread was started before AZ brought over the Pittsburgh coaches. I also believe that Leinart is going to turn it around...he's the most talented passer to come out since Carson Palmer.

That statment is silly. Overhyped coming out of USC. The dude just dont seem too interested in being a QB, intereseted in getting paid but, wow football seems kinda like an afterthought with Matt.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Uhhh...whoever the Einstein that bumped this didn't realize that this thread was started before AZ brought over the Pittsburgh coaches. I also believe that Leinart is going to turn it around...he's the most talented passer to come out since Carson Palmer.

That statment is silly. Overhyped coming out of USC. The dude just dont seem too interested in being a QB, intereseted in getting paid but, wow football seems kinda like an afterthought with Matt.

Based on what?

 

[Big Score]

Uhhh...whoever the Einstein that bumped this didn't realize that this thread was started before AZ brought over the Pittsburgh coaches. I also believe that Leinart is going to turn it around...he's the most talented passer to come out since Carson Palmer.

That statment is silly. Overhyped coming out of USC. The dude just dont seem too interested in being a QB, intereseted in getting paid but, wow football seems kinda like an afterthought with Matt.

Based on what?

Partying?

 

[MDSkinner]

I agree with LHUCKS - I think Leinart is the best passer to enter the league since Palmer, although Roethlisberger would be close. I think that the "invincibility" he carried with him at USC may be faltering a bit, and he needs to hang on to that moxy for sure. But in terms of decision making both at the line of scrimmage and after the ball is snapped, he is the best to come out since Palmer. He does not have as live an arm as some guys (including Ben), but that's been shown as an overrated asset.

What do you base this on?When watching him at USC it "seemed" like he was a great passer. But frankly, I start to wonder whether his great decisions were truly great, or whether the other players on his team were just so vastly superior to their opponents that it made him look great.This year he looks awful. He looks flustered and lacking in confidence to me. Part of that seems to stem from the O-line not giving him the time that he had at USC, but he does not seem to be comfortable right now. So I guess what makes you think he is a great passer in general. I would like to be convinced, because I own him in 2/3 of my leagues and have been fighting the idea of dropping him for a Schaub or Campbell..

 

[Colin Dowling]

I agree with LHUCKS - I think Leinart is the best passer to enter the league since Palmer, although Roethlisberger would be close. I think that the "invincibility" he carried with him at USC may be faltering a bit, and he needs to hang on to that moxy for sure. But in terms of decision making both at the line of scrimmage and after the ball is snapped, he is the best to come out since Palmer. He does not have as live an arm as some guys (including Ben), but that's been shown as an overrated asset.

What do you base this on?When watching him at USC it "seemed" like he was a great passer. But frankly, I start to wonder whether his great decisions were truly great, or whether the other players on his team were just so vastly superior to their opponents that it made him look great.This year he looks awful. He looks flustered and lacking in confidence to me. Part of that seems to stem from the O-line not giving him the time that he had at USC, but he does not seem to be comfortable right now. So I guess what makes you think he is a great passer in general. I would like to be convinced, because I own him in 2/3 of my leagues and have been fighting the idea of dropping him for a Schaub or Campbell..

In the words of Norm Chow, "When Matt is under-center, everything runs on time." Your point is well taken that he was surrounded by a ton of talent in college (a la Ken Dorsey) but I HIGHLY value a player's ability to avoid mistakes under fire. Very rarely did Leinart go to the wrong spot with the ball when he was at USC. That, combined with a clearly high-level of confidence and a "good enough" arm made him, IMO, a B+ level version of Palmer when the draft came around. If Palmer was the Lexus ES330 coming out of college, Leinart was the decked out Toyota Camry.You are correct that he looks a lot worse this season then last year, which is odd. I don't know if it's the team or the responsibility or what, but he doesn't look the same. My point - where I am in agreement with LHUCKS - is that he is "the best passer to enter the league" since Palmer. The best QB to enter the league since Palmer is Vince Young. The best arm to enter the league since Palmer belongs to Jamarcus Russell. But the best "passer", using a pretty fluid definition, was Leinart. If he will ever capitalize on that, he could be a very good QB. However, I agree with you that the first 3 weeks of the 2007 don't look good.

 

[rascal]

I agree with LHUCKS - I think Leinart is the best passer to enter the league since Palmer, although Roethlisberger would be close. I think that the "invincibility" he carried with him at USC may be faltering a bit, and he needs to hang on to that moxy for sure. But in terms of decision making both at the line of scrimmage and after the ball is snapped, he is the best to come out since Palmer. He does not have as live an arm as some guys (including Ben), but that's been shown as an overrated asset.

What do you base this on?When watching him at USC it "seemed" like he was a great passer. But frankly, I start to wonder whether his great decisions were truly great, or whether the other players on his team were just so vastly superior to their opponents that it made him look great.This year he looks awful. He looks flustered and lacking in confidence to me. Part of that seems to stem from the O-line not giving him the time that he had at USC, but he does not seem to be comfortable right now. So I guess what makes you think he is a great passer in general. I would like to be convinced, because I own him in 2/3 of my leagues and have been fighting the idea of dropping him for a Schaub or Campbell..

In the words of Norm Chow, "When Matt is under-center, everything runs on time." Your point is well taken that he was surrounded by a ton of talent in college (a la Ken Dorsey) but I HIGHLY value a player's ability to avoid mistakes under fire. Very rarely did Leinart go to the wrong spot with the ball when he was at USC. That, combined with a clearly high-level of confidence and a "good enough" arm made him, IMO, a B+ level version of Palmer when the draft came around. If Palmer was the Lexus ES330 coming out of college, Leinart was the decked out Toyota Camry.You are correct that he looks a lot worse this season then last year, which is odd. I don't know if it's the team or the responsibility or what, but he doesn't look the same. My point - where I am in agreement with LHUCKS - is that he is "the best passer to enter the league" since Palmer. The best QB to enter the league since Palmer is Vince Young. The best arm to enter the league since Palmer belongs to Jamarcus Russell. But the best "passer", using a pretty fluid definition, was Leinart. If he will ever capitalize on that, he could be a very good QB. However, I agree with you that the first 3 weeks of the 2007 don't look good.

Cutler is a better passer and his arm strength is comparable to Russell.

 

[zoonation]

I agree with LHUCKS - I think Leinart is the best passer to enter the league since Palmer, although Roethlisberger would be close. I think that the "invincibility" he carried with him at USC may be faltering a bit, and he needs to hang on to that moxy for sure. But in terms of decision making both at the line of scrimmage and after the ball is snapped, he is the best to come out since Palmer. He does not have as live an arm as some guys (including Ben), but that's been shown as an overrated asset.

You obviously aren't watching any Cards games this year. He refuses to throw it down the filed and is a check down specialist.He will never be an elite QB IMO.You cannot even compare him to Palmer.If the line can pass protect Warner gives them the best chance to win, when healthy.

 

[Kiddnets]

I agree with LHUCKS - I think Leinart is the best passer to enter the league since Palmer, although Roethlisberger would be close. I think that the "invincibility" he carried with him at USC may be faltering a bit, and he needs to hang on to that moxy for sure. But in terms of decision making both at the line of scrimmage and after the ball is snapped, he is the best to come out since Palmer. He does not have as live an arm as some guys (including Ben), but that's been shown as an overrated asset.

You obviously aren't watching any Cards games this year. He refuses to throw it down the filed and is a check down specialist.He will never be an elite QB IMO.You cannot even compare him to Palmer.If the line can pass protect Warner gives them the best chance to win, when healthy.

Just traded for Leinart - dealt Eli Manning, Chris Brown and Des Clark for Leinart, Thomas Jones and Heath MillerI'm happy with the deal - think thismay finally motivate Leinart.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I agree with LHUCKS - I think Leinart is the best passer to enter the league since Palmer, although Roethlisberger would be close. I think that the "invincibility" he carried with him at USC may be faltering a bit, and he needs to hang on to that moxy for sure. But in terms of decision making both at the line of scrimmage and after the ball is snapped, he is the best to come out since Palmer. He does not have as live an arm as some guys (including Ben), but that's been shown as an overrated asset.

You obviously aren't watching any Cards games this year. He refuses to throw it down the filed and is a check down specialist.He will never be an elite QB IMO.You cannot even compare him to Palmer.If the line can pass protect Warner gives them the best chance to win, when healthy.

What part of "the best passer to enter the league" is getting lost here? I'm not saying he's a great passer at this point. I'm saying that between his last college game and the time he was drafted, he was the best passing prospect in some time. He is clearly struggling.

Cutler is a better passer

Now, yes. 18 months ago? Not so much.

and his arm strength is comparable to Russell.

You're dreaming.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Leinart was never accurate going down the field in college. Matt Waldman did a throw by throw break down of his issues for anyone who ponied up for the Wildman portfolio. We discussed it in more detail in a draft blog that year. I detailed Matt's deep ball issues from several games during his senior season. Even at an orchestrated and choreographed pro day Matt refused to throw the deep out, something he never completed ONCE in college (truth, Carroll knew he couldn't throw it and it wasn't even in the playbook), and he missed over half of his deep balls at that pro day. He is very good with throws 10-20 yards from his feet, but that's about it. Hitting small windows much further than that is not common for him. It isn't the much advertised arm strength issue at all. He has plenty of arm for the NFL. His problem is accuracy.

In contrast Young and Cutler were nearly perfect with the choreography and both nailed deep outs for the scouts. There isn't ONE aspect of the game of football that Leinart does better than Cutler or Young (or Ben for that matter). He is not a better leader, he is a bit of a loner attached to his night life posse more than his team (Vick was like this, btw). He is not a better student and has been called out for it. He does not read defenses better and checks down in too much of a hurry. He does not throw the ball better. He is not a better runner. he does not make bigger plays. He does not command the respect of his teammates like those three.

Colin, I think you were on a little hiatus from these parts but Wood and I (as primaries), with many others, had one heck of a long debate between Cutler and Leinart as they were coming out, and we were debating them as passers among other things. I favored Cutler based on what I saw, and I broke it down in time consuming very long detailed posts about both of their play. Several people agreed with me including JBryant who had a nice view of Cutler there in Tennessee. It wasn't so cut and dry, and for all the painstaking effort I put into that debate, I do feel a little vindicated these days. We still have a way to go though. Wood and I ended the debate in PMs with an agreement we couldn't be sure for ten years.

 

[LHUCKS]

Leinart was never accurate going down the field in college.

You lost me with your first sentence.

 

[Banger]

Leinart was never accurate going down the field in college. Matt Waldman did a throw by throw break down of his issues for anyone who ponied up for the Wildman portfolio. We discussed it in more detail in a draft blog that year. I detailed Matt's deep ball issues from several games during his senior season. Even at an orchestrated and choreographed pro day Matt refused to throw the deep out, something he never completed ONCE in college (truth, Carroll knew he couldn't throw it and it wasn't even in the playbook), and he missed over half of his deep balls at that pro day. He is very good with throws 10-20 yards from his feet, but that's about it. Hitting small windows much further than that is not common for him. It isn't the much advertised arm strength issue at all. He has plenty of arm for the NFL. His problem is accuracy.In contrast Young and Cutler were nearly perfect with the choreography and both nailed deep outs for the scouts. There isn't ONE aspect of the game of football that Leinart does better than Cutler or Young (or Ben for that matter). He is not a better leader, he is a bit of a loner attached to his night life posse more than his team (Vick was like this, btw). He is not a better student and has been called out for it. He does not read defenses better and checks down in too much of a hurry. He does not throw the ball better. He is not a better runner. he does not make bigger plays. He does not command the respect of his teammates like those three. Colin, I think you were on a little hiatus from these parts but Wood and I (as primaries), with many others, had one heck of a long debate between Cutler and Leinart as they were coming out, and we were debating them as passers among other things. I favored Cutler based on what I saw, and I broke it down in time consuming very long detailed posts about both of their play. Several people agreed with me including JBryant who had a nice view of Cutler there in Tennessee. It wasn't so cut and dry, and for all the painstaking effort I put into that debate, I do feel a little vindicated these days. We still have a way to go though. Wood and I ended the debate in PMs with an agreement we couldn't be sure for ten years.

:(

 

[enfuego]

The prediction I can live with- at least he showed some balls.

Yep Most of the folks bashing Lhucks don't have the gumption to post thier own thoughts and make it public record.

Not to hijack a good discussion, but....Legion...That is just

ANYONE who has been in the FBG forum for more than a month and has observed a discussion with LH knows that he is the one that does the majority of instigating and bashing the second you disagree with him. So allow me to post this thought and make it public record: LHUCKS would get a lot more respect if he started to show it to others... especially those he disagreed with.

 

[Legion of Doom]

The prediction I can live with- at least he showed some balls.

Yep Most of the folks bashing Lhucks don't have the gumption to post thier own thoughts and make it public record.

Not to hijack a good discussion, but....Legion...That is just

ANYONE who has been in the FBG forum for more than a month and has observed a discussion with LH knows that he is the one that does the majority of instigating and bashing the second you disagree with him. So allow me to post this thought and make it public record: LHUCKS would get a lot more respect if he started to show it to others... especially those he disagreed with.

I call it how I see it! Too bad you took offense. Shoe must fit.BTW I been around since old yeller,I know lhucks work and regardless it was a bush league move to bump this thread 3 weeks into the season

 

[Bears_Man2]

I had real high hopes for Leinart here in the desert this year. I figured he'd take another step. Thus far, without question, he has not. If anything, he's holding this team back on offense.

Whether it's the new offense or what, he looks like David Carr at QB. Tentative, frequently unecessarily rolling out in the pocket, fluttering balls, inaccurate.

 

[zoonation]

Leinart was never accurate going down the field in college.

You lost me with your first sentence.

you should read the whole post. It is quite lucid and totally accurate. Leinart sucks.

 

[Young 8]

He will never be an elite QB IMO.You cannot even compare him to Palmer.

mmmm....i remember Palmer been torched (3 INT) by Ravens D in the 3rd game of his second year...what a coincidence

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I thought he looked better last year than he does now. I don't know if defenses have seen some things on tape and are using that to exploit a weakness they feel he has or if it's because of the offensive coaches changes and he's struggling to grasp the new changes.

I have noticed he doesn't look completely comfortable. When you're not comfortable and things aren't working for you downfield, then you start to checkdown. I think he has the tools to be a very good passer in the league and hopefully he can learn a little bit from what he's seeing in Warner. Fire some of those balls in there and let's see the offensive play calls open it up earlier in the game before they're down 2 plus Td's.

If Arizona's done with him.....send him over to Detroit so he can develop behind Kitna for a year or two and then we'll throw the lefty in there so he can throw for 400 plus yards.

 

[enfuego]

The prediction I can live with- at least he showed some balls.

Yep Most of the folks bashing Lhucks don't have the gumption to post thier own thoughts and make it public record.

Not to hijack a good discussion, but....Legion...That is just

ANYONE who has been in the FBG forum for more than a month and has observed a discussion with LH knows that he is the one that does the majority of instigating and bashing the second you disagree with him. So allow me to post this thought and make it public record: LHUCKS would get a lot more respect if he started to show it to others... especially those he disagreed with.

I call it how I see it! Too bad you took offense. Shoe must fit.BTW I been around since old yeller,I know lhucks work and regardless it was a bush league move to bump this thread 3 weeks into the season

You have been around a few months longer than me, so please don't try to pull rank. I am not going to get into a pissing match with you (seems like there's been too much of that around here lately), but I will say, I bumped because it's worthy of discussion.I've always held the opinion that Leinart could be a pretty good Q...

 

[phthalatemagic]

Now if only I would have written that down

I did To be fair....its only been 3 weeks....let the season play out before calling people out.

You got me all wrong man I don't begrudge LHUCKS for making a prediction. Most don't even bother. Plus, I'm a Leinart fan. Leinart has a big career ahead of him IMO. This is just his first full season starting. What does everyone expect? I suspect if whathisface didn't start this thread it may not have been topped at all. What I'm begrudging is dumb statements like "write/mark that down". Why do people say things like that?

 

[TheFanatic]

Bumpity, bump, bump....

 

[Sleeper 43]

1. Cutler 2. VY 3. Matt

If you saw Mayock break down the pro-day tapes of Cutler and Matt throwing the same passing routes you'd understand.

 

[Bears_Man2]

Soundly outplayed from the 2nd half of the Baltimore contest forward by Warner, good call here.

Rough weekend for you, eh?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

 

[mdog1967]

Uhhh...whoever the Einstein that bumped this didn't realize that this thread was started before AZ brought over the Pittsburgh coaches.

I also believe that Leinart is going to turn it around...he's the most talented passer to come out since Carson Palmer.

That statment is silly. Overhyped coming out of USC. The dude just dont seem too interested in being a QB, intereseted in getting paid but, wow football seems kinda like an afterthought with Matt.

Based on what?

Aside from the great posts giving good reason based on what they break down on game tape, mine is not based on anymore than the complete lack of presence Matt Displays on the field and his reported nightlife. I watch him play and I dont see a leader, I see a child amidst giants. I watch Matt and I am catapulted back to Ryan Leaf. Yeah that Ryan Leaf!! I dont think Leinart will ever completely implode like Leaf, but I think he will prove to have about the same maturity. Did he already make the statment that the team should live or die on his shoulders, or to that effect? Leaflike to say the least. Actually "Ryan Leinart" is a catchy name!

 

[OCC]

Leinart just looks bad.

He's basically Ken Dorsey with another national championship.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I admit it. I thought Leinart was a sure thing. Looks more like a project now.

 

[joffer]

i saw a butterfly land on the ball in mid-flight on his first interception, the DB could've fair caught it.

but i'm sure the change in offensive philosophy after this thread started caused it.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

i saw a butterfly land on the ball in mid-flight on his first interception, the DB could've fair caught it.

but i'm sure the change in offensive philosophy after this thread started caused it.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Leinart will put up numbers with almost any coach...the team is too heavily invested in the passing game.

:11:

It is so funny that you refuse to eat crow on this terrible call. 8-12 range...lol. Oh, but it is the coaching hire that is to blame. All you ever so is prove people right when they describe your sophmoric behavior. It should be clear to anyone that watches football that Leinart is indecissive, cannot throw the deep out and in fact is not a great passer. Warner came in and actually maximized the talent at wideout.The fact that you never own up to being wrong is just one of the many reasons why you are so annoying. Act like an adult for once.

Leinart was about as sure a sure thing as sure can get coming out of school. He can make all the throws, and has a much stronger arm than Warner. Warner has the edge in that he's a better decision maker and has a quicker release. I still feel in the end Leinart will have a solid season and be a hot pickup going into next season. LHUCKS was just a year too early

No he wasn't. The public may not know exactly why, but I'm sure theres a reason why he fell in the draft even though teams like Oakland clearly needed QB help.

 

[Bears_Man2]

Matt Leinart-QB-Cardinals Oct. 9 - 4:28 pm et

Cardinals placed Matt Leinart on injured reserve, ending his season.

 

[massraider]

Leinart will put up numbers with almost any coach...the team is too heavily invested in the passing game.

:11:

It is so funny that you refuse to eat crow on this terrible call. 8-12 range...lol. Oh, but it is the coaching hire that is to blame. All you ever so is prove people right when they describe your sophmoric behavior. It should be clear to anyone that watches football that Leinart is indecissive, cannot throw the deep out and in fact is not a great passer. Warner came in and actually maximized the talent at wideout.The fact that you never own up to being wrong is just one of the many reasons why you are so annoying. Act like an adult for once.

Leinart was about as sure a sure thing as sure can get coming out of school. He can make all the throws, and has a much stronger arm than Warner. Warner has the edge in that he's a better decision maker and has a quicker release. I still feel in the end Leinart will have a solid season and be a hot pickup going into next season. LHUCKS was just a year too early

No he wasn't. The public may not know exactly why, but I'm sure theres a reason why he fell in the draft even though teams like Oakland clearly needed QB help.

The explanation at the time was that the Raiders were a bunch of dummies. I was glad they didn't take him on draft day, glad when he was outplayed by Andrew Walter head-to-head, glad when rumors started about his Hollywood head, and glad when he looked like crap this year. I am still glad.

 

[Doxology]

Matt Leinart-QB-Cardinals Oct. 9 - 4:28 pm et Cardinals placed Matt Leinart on injured reserve, ending his season.

Awaiting the LHUCKS excuses that he can't be proved wrong because Leinart's now out for the year.

 

[Keys Myaths]

With the VY hype in full effect(a la Michael Vick), and with Leinart playing for one of the least publicized organizations in pro football...his amazing rookie year is pretty much going unnoticed. You can pretty much bank on it that Leinart is going to be undervalued by the fantasy community. He'll probably be ranked in my #8 - #12 range for '07.Most publications/websites will erroneously have him ranked much lower than that....probably around the #19 spot.Here is your first value play for next year.

Bumping because LHUCKS insists on bumping the 10% of threads where he ends up being right.

 

[valhallan]

Well played, Keys

 

[munchkin]

I have my fingers crossed on this guy. He is saying the right things but he needs to show it on the field. I am cautiously optimistic. It would be a shame if he flushed his talent down the drain of his hot tub.

 

[MogusMaximus]

Your obsession with denigrating Vince Young is starting to take on Hoge-like proportions. By chance are you also suffering from post-concussion syndrome?

I just think it's absolutely ridiculous that he's getting the media coverage...Leinart is clearly a better qb, but yet VY is getting the media coverage...mostly because of his national championship performance.He played like #### against the Giants for most of the game, and then he beat up on one of the worst defenses in the NFL...big f'ing deal.

Did anyone see Leinart dissect the Seahawks with his arm and brains, not with his legs???????

This isn't even close...Leinart is and always will be twice the QB that VY is.

VY is a great story, and may someday will win some playoff games, but Leinart is the next great QB.

I'm sorry, but that's just classic.

 

[MogusMaximus]

It is amusing to see all the argument over who is the better QB between Leinart and VY when the best QB in that class was drafted behind them at #11.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

It is amusing to see all the argument over who is the better QB between Leinart and VY when the best QB in that class was drafted behind them at #11.

too early to tellCutler has had what, one good year?

 

[teamroc]

With the VY hype in full effect(a la Michael Vick), and with Leinart playing for one of the least publicized organizations in pro football...his amazing rookie year is pretty much going unnoticed. You can pretty much bank on it that Leinart is going to be undervalued by the fantasy community. He'll probably be ranked in my #8 - #12 range for '07.Most publications/websites will erroneously have him ranked much lower than that....probably around the #19 spot.Here is your first value play for next year.

Bumping because LHUCKS insists on bumping the 10% of threads where he ends up being right.

The best was when LHUCKS switched to critiquing the FBG Staff. His track record on the "over/under" is hilarious. He's pretty much been an inside joke among FBG readers since early 2006. Last year I used his over/under as a tie breaker when drafting. If I had two guys fairly close, and LHUCKS was pimping one of them, I'd go with the other. And it actually worked out pretty nice. I wish he'd bet college football, would make a killing betting the other side. It's one thing to miss a few predictions, but to miss on the majority, consistently, that’s a skill.

 

[AnonymousBob]

LHUCKS hasn't had the greatest track record as of late but I'm still a big fan. He gives sound logic behind his over/undervalued threads and makes decent arguments for/against guys.

We need more posters like LHUCKS.

 

[Cool in the pocket]

LHUCKS hasn't had the greatest track record as of late but I'm still a big fan. He gives sound logic behind his over/undervalued threads and makes decent arguments for/against guys.We need more posters like LHUCKS.

 

[TwinTurbo]

LHUCKS hasn't had the greatest track record as of late but I'm still a big fan. He gives sound logic behind his over/undervalued threads and makes decent arguments for/against guys.We need more posters like LHUCKS.

LHUCKS is the Nostradamus of paradoxical football prognostication. Do the opposite of what he says and win a championship.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

We need more posters like LHUCKS.

Bite your tongue.

 

[SSOG]

It is amusing to see all the argument over who is the better QB between Leinart and VY when the best QB in that class was drafted behind them at #11.

too early to tellCutler has had what, one good year?

Cutler has two years over 7 yards per attempt. Leinart and Young combined have none.Despite the belief that QB has the longest learning curve, the OVERWHELMING majority of top QBs in the league are stars by their third season, or their second season as a starter, whichever comes first. Just look at the Pro Bowl lists, if you don't believe me.

 

[FUBAR]

It is amusing to see all the argument over who is the better QB between Leinart and VY when the best QB in that class was drafted behind them at #11.

too early to tellCutler has had what, one good year?

Cutler has two years over 7 yards per attempt. Leinart and Young combined have none.Despite the belief that QB has the longest learning curve, the OVERWHELMING majority of top QBs in the league are stars by their third season, or their second season as a starter, whichever comes first. Just look at the Pro Bowl lists, if you don't believe me.

You mean like the 2007 AFC roster?

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

It is amusing to see all the argument over who is the better QB between Leinart and VY when the best QB in that class was drafted behind them at #11.

too early to tellCutler has had what, one good year?

Cutler has two years over 7 yards per attempt. Leinart and Young combined have none.Despite the belief that QB has the longest learning curve, the OVERWHELMING majority of top QBs in the league are stars by their third season, or their second season as a starter, whichever comes first. Just look at the Pro Bowl lists, if you don't believe me.

Yeah, and Leinart is entering his 3rd year THIS YEAR. Look at the people that passed on Tom Brady the first two years. And then he broke out his 3rd. Other QB's who broke out in the 3rd year:Randall CunninghamSteve McNairJoe MontanaJohn ElwayBrees broke out in his 4th after being a starter for 2 years for the Chargersso Cutler is going to be better than Brees since Brees didn't have more than 7 yards per attempt until his 4th year? What a terrible stat to use as a comparison.

 

[Tecmo]

Well, this is probably the year to grab Leinart. He has the weapons at wideout, Doucet should be an upgrade at the slot, he has a young Levi Brown to protect his blind side, and a good receiving RB with Edge. About the only thing he doesn't have is a stud TE, but Pope is getting better. And the cherry on top is the lack of running game on this team, they just can't punch it in with that oline. Edge is great at finding holes and using his line, but he just isn't a gamebreaker anymore. TDs will probably come though the air once again is all I'm saying. I'm not predicting a monster season, but TDs in the low 20s is very reasonable in his situation. He's an excellent buy this season for a #2 QB imho

 

[BoltBacker]

It is amusing to see all the argument over who is the better QB between Leinart and VY when the best QB in that class was drafted behind them at #11.

too early to tellCutler has had what, one good year?

Cutler has two years over 7 yards per attempt. Leinart and Young combined have none.Despite the belief that QB has the longest learning curve, the OVERWHELMING majority of top QBs in the league are stars by their third season, or their second season as a starter, whichever comes first. Just look at the Pro Bowl lists, if you don't believe me.

I'm not often on SSOG's side of an argument, but just imagine for a second that Cutler had been throwing to Fitzgerald/Boldin this whole time with effective pass blocking from Edge. Let's just say I'm not convinced the ARZ coaching staff would be yanking Cutler out of the lineup for the turnover prone Kurt Warner in passing situations as they have Leinart. If it looks like Cutler>Leinart right now, I think it would be Cutler>>>>>>>>Leinart if their situations were reversed. For that matter just imagine how much better Young would look if he was passing to Fitzgerald/Boldin... that duo has managed to make Warner look good!

 

[BoltBacker]

Well, this is probably the year to grab Leinart. He has the weapons at wideout, Doucet should be an upgrade at the slot, he has a young Levi Brown to protect his blind side, and a good receiving RB with Edge. About the only thing he doesn't have is a stud TE, but Pope is getting better.

So what you're saying is it's the exact same situation Leinart had last season except they replaced Bryant Johnson with Doucet?