Well you threw out your credibility with that one. Dak was money year one, regressed in year two, and played (without whining) through the shoulder injury last year. Blanket statements like yours are very uninformed statement.
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matuski
Footballguy
Nope.Well you threw out your credibility with that one. Dak was money year one, regressed in year two, and played (without whining) through the shoulder injury last year. Blanket statements like yours are very uninformed statement.
Anyone watching the guy knows he throws a handful of "my highschool QB doesn't miss that bad" passes every game.
The wins come in games he makes other plays to overshadow them (he can make great plays/throws). The close wins over bad teams come when he either makes a play late or the other team finds a way to lose it (ie the Lions this year). The losses come in those where he doesn't.
When you say "money" - if you are talking FF, i am with you.. he is great FF. If you mean "money" in real life - I would come right back at you with the "uninformed" line.
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Great piece on McCarthy by long-time Packers beat writer Bob McGinn, now writing for the Athletic (not related to fantasy). https://theathletic.com/1516545/2020/01/07/mcginn-many-of-the-traits-that-made-mike-mccarthy-a-winner-in-green-bay-may-translate-beautifully-in-dallas/?source=shared-article
Mr. Landry
Footballguy
He has the fourth highest completion percentage in NFL history. Link
I'm pretty sure his receivers hands are smaller than the broad side of a barn.
matuski
Footballguy
That is fantastic.
And he still throws a handful of throws your highschool QB wouldnt miss each game.
eta - this stat lead Chad Pennington to greatness too.
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Re read, Bro. He was money year one, “in real life”. Again with your blanket statements, I’m done.Nope.
Anyone watching the guy knows he throws a handful of "my highschool QB doesn't miss that bad" passes every game.
The wins come in games he makes other plays to overshadow them (he can make great plays/throws). The close wins over bad teams come when he either makes a play late or the other team finds a way to lose it (ie the Lions this year). The losses come in those where he doesn't.
When you say "money" - if you are talking FF, i am with you.. he is great FF. If you mean "money" in real life - I would come right back at you with the "uninformed" line.
matuski
Footballguy
Disagree.. bro (I dont know how to use bro properly)? Does "bro" contribute to the credibility of a post, bro?
Bro. He is still not a reliable passer. He makes throws he cannot overcome against good teams.
Bro.
matuski
Footballguy
Without bothering to find a link to the Buffalo game... I'll take the over on 5 barns missed. Not hands, barns.
My memory counts a 1 yard screen pass to Zeke missed by roughly a barn.
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You are using it just as expected considering your contribution to the discussion. Thanks, Jr.
matuski
Footballguy
Mr. Landry
Footballguy
I'm not here to defend Dak. I don't think he is great. But he is no where near as bad as you try to paint him out to be. Take off your anti-Cowboy glasses and stop embarrassing yourself.
You said he "could not hit the broad side of a barn". Having the fourth highest completion rate in the HISTORY of the NFL says you are a flat out wrong. Does he miss throws? Yes. Does he airmail them sometimes? Yes. But every QB throws a handful of passes "that a high school QB wouldn't miss".
We get it. You don't like the Cowboys. You don't like Dak. But know when to stop.
matuski
Footballguy
I'm not trying to paint him as anything other than what he is. He makes AWFUL throws (every game). He makes great throws (some games). He is not yet reliable. Not every QB makes (misses the barn) those throws... thus his needing to improve as a passer.
And I do like Dak (for a minute there I was giving him all the credit in the world prior to crapping the bed the second half of the season). I like the Cowboys more than I ever have. Big fan of a lot of their players.
I think you want to make it about me. This is the unfortunate common result of not being able to produce a defense of a position otherwise.
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Mr. Landry
Footballguy
I agree with your first statement. He needs to be more reliable and needs to improve.
Perhaps I read your statements more literally than you intended them to be read. A QB that can't hit the side of a barn or make throws a high school QB can make sounds like a gross exaggeration of Dak's faults.
And, although I don't know much about you, I know that you pop up in discussions about the Cowboys more than most non-Cowboy fans. 99.9% of your comments are negative and derogatory in some fashion (perhaps that percentage is a slight exaggeration). So it is very difficult to read your comments without seeing a bias or attempt to troll Cowboy fans.
I do find it interesting that you say it is a result of not being able to produce a defense of a position when I linked to his percentage completion. That directly counters your claim that he can't hit the side of a barn. And your defense of your position is that you are sure that in a Buffalo game that you couldn't be bothered to look up, he missed at least five throws by a barn including a one yard pass. Hmmmmm....
matuski
Footballguy
I am told I am a hater in a lot of threads. Or a fanboy in others. Whatever - I am too old to have these emotional connections to kids playing football.
I live in Texas and like it or not - see most every Cowboy game.
I am very obviously talking about the 3-5+ passes each game that you wonder what/who the target was. Deep passes, screen passes, slants, fades, you name it. The passes that flat out win/lose the game against better competition. Just can't win against better teams with those mistakes. Even if you have a link to Chad Pennington's completion %.
If this year is what you are happy with from Dak... I'd advise you to expect more 9-7/10-6 seasons where this impressive roster under achieves.
eta - imagine missing a 1 yard screen pass by 20 feet... while not being hit. Missing so bad Zeke turns away to walk off field before the ball hits the ground. Hmmmmm......
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Dak completed 65% of his passes and was 4th in yards/completion, 3rd in NY/A and 6th in ANY/A. i.e. he was easily a top-10 QB this year by any reasonable measure and is not the Cowboys problem.
Jacksonke1
Footballguy
So few can play the role of NFL QB in the world that many teams would be happy to have Dak to work their offense with I think. By the time he hits age 30 in a few years, where many QBs blossom and he has more reps, experience, and the game slows down, etc...... If you don't have the patience for that, fine, and someone better may come along as an option, but I think there is plenty to work with here with Dak.
Rather have Dak leading the Cowboys than Babe Laufenberg.
Rather have Dak leading the Cowboys than Babe Laufenberg.
SWC
Bromigo
all right boys its third and one on the giants 45 yard line there are four minutes left in the game and we need three to win it so what i want you to do is line up five wide and dax you throw it as far as you can so no one can catch it and then we will punt and lose zeke go get me a gatorade take that to the bank bromigos
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
McCarthy (and Tom Clements) has to get a large heaping pile of credit for the success of both Favre and Rodgers imo. He repeatedly said his most important focus as head coach is to make the quarterback successful. From the Bob McGinn piece in the Athletic (I believe I linked somewhere in here):
I agree with the comment that very few people other than Packers fans and NFL people remember the huge questions marks around Rodgers during his first few years with the Packers. He hardly played, so there was almost no opportunity to evaluate him or have an informed opinion. However, there was a ton of noise from the Packers camp and outsiders who were allowed access that Rodgers looked terrible those first few years in camp. Then he made dramatic changes to his delivery and his approach to the game. They decided what he learned at Cal was not going to cut it in the NFL, broke him down and completely changed the way he throws the ball.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I remember this well.
I remember the Packers working with a number of Q.b.'s during the Favre/Rodgers era. Mark Brunell, Ty Detmer, Doug Pederson, Matt Hasselbeck, Matt Flynn, Aaron Brooks, Kurt Warner, Taysome Hill. They developed more talent in that 24 years than the Bears have in their entire history. Many went on to moderate or fair success elsewhere because the Packers could not keep them all. Many worked with Mccarthy as a Q.B. coach in his first stint or as head coach latter on. He had few outright failures though, for instance Brian Brohm washed out quickly, so too Brent Hundley. The thing is he has some record of improving Q.B. play which goes beyond mere coincidence, particularly when we remember that both Favre and Rodgers were unwanted commodities at the beginnings of their careers.
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voiceofunreason
Footballguy
So he didn't do that while an actual coach so he could build a comeback story?
Anyone taking anything King says as important hadn't read many of his articles. He's an entertainer, knows next to nothing about much of anything.
The Frankman
Footballguy
What in the world?voiceofunreason said:
This isn't some opinion piece, he spent a few days in Wisconsin and interviewed him face to face! Obviously you didn't read the article.
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modogg
Footballguy
this seems more plausible for the McCarthy hire:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/rodgers-packers-success-vs-cowboys-gave-jones-infatuation-with-mccarthy/ar-BBYLaoG?ocid=ientp
Seems "Trump-ian" that Jones would target a coach who handed the Cowboys multiple losses over the years. Who knows, but i do like the posts from those in favor of the hire in here. Has changed my mind a bit, will be interesting to see
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/rodgers-packers-success-vs-cowboys-gave-jones-infatuation-with-mccarthy/ar-BBYLaoG?ocid=ientp
Seems "Trump-ian" that Jones would target a coach who handed the Cowboys multiple losses over the years. Who knows, but i do like the posts from those in favor of the hire in here. Has changed my mind a bit, will be interesting to see
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Forget it.
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modogg
Footballguy
i missed it? hopefully it wasn't too bad. I do think the Rodgers vs. McCarthy thing is interesting, and who knows where the fault lies between the 2. I do find some of the stuff in this thread and the Cowboys thread interesting for McCarthy, so i am intrigued to see if he is much different or not next year.
Will be nice if coaches can self-evaluate and be self-aware enough to do that and make themselves better
Tanner9919
Footballguy
great hire for Dallas. solid coach, knows his stuff. Dak is good, he's not great, he's never going to be great. there are plenty of good QBs who''ve played over the years some who've won titles.Phil Simms, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Hostetler, Rich Gannon, Bledsoe. Point is, Dak can be good and still deliver the SB Titles. they have one of the best o-lines in football, a good defense, and a great RB who is awesome at receptions out of the backfield. what else could you want !
with Zeke, the 'Boys don't HAVE to pass, they've just need to run zeke 25+ times/gm , and that sets up the play action for bigtime strikes.
Dak is fine. They switched to a chuck-n-duck offense in 2019, got away from pounding the rock, and it cost Garrett his job. but much of Dak's perceived failures fall sqaurely on Garrett's shoulders - he's just NOT a good HC.he probably won't ever get the HC opportunity again.He's OC material - maybe - but certainly not HC material.
with Zeke, the 'Boys don't HAVE to pass, they've just need to run zeke 25+ times/gm , and that sets up the play action for bigtime strikes.
Dak is fine. They switched to a chuck-n-duck offense in 2019, got away from pounding the rock, and it cost Garrett his job. but much of Dak's perceived failures fall sqaurely on Garrett's shoulders - he's just NOT a good HC.he probably won't ever get the HC opportunity again.He's OC material - maybe - but certainly not HC material.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I am not a Packers fan but I always thought MM was one of those coaches that did the least with the most. That playoff loss to Seattle was a prime example of it. I really don't consider him an upgrade over Garrett or most coaches for that matter.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Made the playoff every single year he was healthy. Injuries are what kept him from "greatness".matuski said:
Richard and Kitna not being retained.
"David Moore of the Dallas Morning News reports the Cowboys will not retain DBs coach/passing-game coordinator Kris Richard.
It's been a rough start to 2020 for Richard, who in a matter of weeks has gone from being a head-coaching candidate with the Giants to out of a job entirely. The Cowboys are also moving on from QBs coach Jon Kitna as new coach Mike McCarthy plans to bring in his own staff. Richard, a six-year NFL vet who began his coaching career under Pete Carroll in Seattle, shouldn't be out of work for long. Perhaps he'd be a fit for the Vikings, who recently fired long-time defensive coordinator George Edwards. McCarthy is expected to tap Texas A&M's Maurice Linguist as his new secondary coach."
"David Moore of the Dallas Morning News reports the Cowboys will not retain DBs coach/passing-game coordinator Kris Richard.
It's been a rough start to 2020 for Richard, who in a matter of weeks has gone from being a head-coaching candidate with the Giants to out of a job entirely. The Cowboys are also moving on from QBs coach Jon Kitna as new coach Mike McCarthy plans to bring in his own staff. Richard, a six-year NFL vet who began his coaching career under Pete Carroll in Seattle, shouldn't be out of work for long. Perhaps he'd be a fit for the Vikings, who recently fired long-time defensive coordinator George Edwards. McCarthy is expected to tap Texas A&M's Maurice Linguist as his new secondary coach."
