McFadden falling? (1 Viewer)

[Tom Cody]

Chris Johnson 4.24(official).......nuff said!

 

[EBF]

Chris Johnson 4.24(official).......nuff said!

That is a disgusting time. Might be enough to push him into round 1, whether he deserves it or not.

 

[AussieOyOyOy]

Did Alexander Wright (WR from Auburn) run at the combine? If memory serves, he ran 4.07 and 4.11 at Auburn's pro day. I'm sure it was fast-track/wind-aided, whatever, but does anyone remember him running at the combine?

 

[identikit]

Did Alexander Wright (WR from Auburn) run at the combine? If memory serves, he ran 4.07 and 4.11 at Auburn's pro day. I'm sure it was fast-track/wind-aided, whatever, but does anyone remember him running at the combine?

I don't see Wright on the list of WRs for the Combine...Id

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Darren McFadden-RB- Player Feb. 23 - 12:28 pm et Arkansas RB Darren McFadden reportedly "came off as indifferent" about his character question marks during interviews Friday.McFadden got in trouble a few times in college. The incidents were never overly serious, but teams would probably expect him to treat them as a learning experience. "There have been some red flags with him," new Rams VP of player personnel Billy Devaney acknowledged.Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution

I guess you trading up to 1.01 just became alittle more pricy.

 

[JohnnyU]

Darren McFadden-RB- Player Feb. 23 - 12:28 pm et Arkansas RB Darren McFadden reportedly "came off as indifferent" about his character question marks during interviews Friday.McFadden got in trouble a few times in college. The incidents were never overly serious, but teams would probably expect him to treat them as a learning experience. "There have been some red flags with him," new Rams VP of player personnel Billy Devaney acknowledged.Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution

I guess you trading up to 1.01 just became alittle more pricy.

I have no desire to trade up to 1.01. I traded for the 1.3 in one league and I feel that's the perfect position. By the way, 40 yd dash speed is a small part of what it takes to be a successful RB in the NFL. I don't think I will let that cloud my judgment of his glaring liabilities (no power and no vision).What did Chris Henry run at last year's combine?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

The question I have is, if this is misinformation that is meant to make him drop in the draft, which team do you think is most likely the culprit?

 

[King of the Jungle]

If it hasn't been said:

REMINDER: 40 time is over-rated

Year in, year out

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Darren McFadden-RB- Player Feb. 23 - 12:28 pm et Arkansas RB Darren McFadden reportedly "came off as indifferent" about his character question marks during interviews Friday.McFadden got in trouble a few times in college. The incidents were never overly serious, but teams would probably expect him to treat them as a learning experience. "There have been some red flags with him," new Rams VP of player personnel Billy Devaney acknowledged.Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution

I guess you trading up to 1.01 just became alittle more pricy.

I have no desire to trade up to 1.01. I traded for the 1.3 in one league and I feel that's the perfect position. By the way, 40 yd dash speed is a small part of what it takes to be a successful RB in the NFL. I don't think I will let that cloud my judgment of his glaring liabilities (no power and no vision).What did Chris Henry run at last year's combine?

10.8 Broad, no one will come close. Watch tapes on Him.It All eqauls up that McFadden will be great at the next level.You can have Stewart.

 

[JohnnyU]

10.8 Broad, no one will come close. Watch tapes on Him.It All eqauls up that McFadden will be great at the next level.You can have Stewart.

OK

 

[FavreCo]

McFadden officially a 4.33 now. I still take Mendenhall over him.

 

[kremenull]

Overanalyzing can be a very dangerous thing. I want to hear from everyone who had dropped McFadden down the RB rankings. Stop taking Mayock as gospel about everything.......McFadden is a true playmaker and CLEARLY the #1 RB in this draft, always has been........

It's easy to say this AFTER he runs a 4.27. If he had run something like a low 4.4 today then it would've opened the door for serious debate. I think this time cemented his status as a top 10 RB and the first RB off the board. But make no mistake, he needed this.

Well, you can pull up any thread I've ever commented on re: the rookie RB class, and RunDMc has always been at the top of my list..........Never wavered.......sure the 4.27 was even better than what I expected, but that's what great ones do, they step up to the challenge and close the deal.......This is one of the Top 2-3 40-yd performances EVER at the combine.......doesn't have to be one of the top 3 times ever, but in the overall scheme of things with the spotlight shining brightly on him and with all the ??s that people were tossing out there, just a jaw-dropping performance

4.27 is awesome, but how in the world is this one of the top 40-yard dashes ever at the combine?

Easy.....because of the player involved and the spotlight of the moment. Especially with the increased, you can call it overhyped, which it probably is, nonetheless, attention that is thrust upon the combine now has greatly enhanced its perception....even among scouts. Guys have made a tremendous amount of money, moving from potential 3rd, even 4th rounders (see Fabian Washington, Matt Jones, etc.) to 1st round picks simply off of the combine, and most notably the 40 times. But back to the point...the scrutiny that McFadden has withstood from the likes of Mayock and Baldinger, and to respond with such a dynamic performance in the 40, and I do also give a little more credence to RBs of his size (ht and wght) that can run like this.....Combine this 40 with the PRODUCTION that he put up, and then it's even more pronounced.....Sure, Chris Johnson ran a 4.24, great, and probably helped himself win some money as well, but McFadden's is much more impressive as he is 10x the player that Johnson has shown to be.........and much bigger. Nobody knew he was this explosive, as most people even believed that Felix Jones was much faster than McFadden, I've read all the comments before, and nobody saw this coming.......Sure, I'm hyping it up too, but it deserves it to some degree.....SCINTILLATING!

We'll be looking back on this day as one of the biggest moments in combine history, especially after McFadden lights it up in the NFL.....Chris Johnson, and numerous guys who've clocked great times before (e.g., Yamon Figurs????), will be pedestrian players......

 

[JAA]

McFadden officially a 4.33 now. I still take Mendenhall over him.

your leagues have any openings?

 

[EBF]

Oddly enough, 4.33 is the exact same time Norwood ran at the combine and the exact same time Reggie Bush ran at his Pro Day.

 

[JAA]

If it hasn't been said:REMINDER: 40 time is over-rated Year in, year out

what about broad, vert, and bench? feel the same way?

 

[FavreCo]

McFadden officially a 4.33 now. I still take Mendenhall over him.

your leagues have any openings?

No. If it did, you would be punished by the likes of me yearly. Consider yourself lucky.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

McFadden officially a 4.33 now. I still take Mendenhall over him.

your leagues have any openings?

bring Mayock with ya.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Fast time, but some overreaction in this thread.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Oddly enough, 4.33 is the exact same time Norwood ran at the combine and the exact same time Reggie Bush ran at his Pro Day.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Oddly enough, 4.33 is the exact same time Norwood ran at the combine and the exact same time Reggie Bush ran at his Pro Day.

Norwood's BJ at 10-2. Just IN CASE. Stewart won't post this.

 

[FavreCo]

Fast time, but some overreaction in this thread.

Exactly. It's a 40 yard dash people. Who cares about .1 second other than Deion Sanders and he's an idiot. Mendenhall: bigger, perfect size for RB, easily fast enough, stronger, catches the ball, 3 down back.McFadden: fumbler, goes down easy on contact, little experience catching the ball, skinny pipe cleaner legs waiting for injury, character issues.

 

[EBF]

Oddly enough, 4.33 is the exact same time Norwood ran at the combine and the exact same time Reggie Bush ran at his Pro Day.

Norwood's BJ at 10-2. Just IN CASE. Stewart won't post this.

Stewart is also 30 pounds heavier than Norwood. Just saying...

 

[kremenull]

Fast time, but some overreaction in this thread.

Some guys are just consistently 'late to the party'.....I can imagine that after Peterson lit up the combine last year many pundits also weren't overly impressed......even though he backed it up with a marvelous collegiate resume as well.....Heed the words from a wise man, who once told me......"The train is docked at the station, so don't wait to get your ticket 'cause it's about to move full-steam ahead"

 

[JohnnyU]

Fast time, but some overreaction in this thread.

Exactly. It's a 40 yard dash people. Who cares about .1 second other than Deion Sanders and he's an idiot. Mendenhall: bigger, perfect size for RB, easily fast enough, stronger, catches the ball, 3 down back.McFadden: fumbler, goes down easy on contact, little experience catching the ball, skinny pipe cleaner legs waiting for injury, character issues.

:rofl:

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Oddly enough, 4.33 is the exact same time Norwood ran at the combine and the exact same time Reggie Bush ran at his Pro Day.

Norwood's BJ at 10-2. Just IN CASE. Stewart won't post this.

Stewart is also 30 pounds heavier than Norwood. Just saying...

So His broad should be better.Just saying...

 

[Chaos Commish]

EBF and Construx -- I have been working very hard for 1.01 in Z30. It's why I haven't made any other deals, and why I have been avoiding the discussion. All the doubters have possibly been helping my cause, but it was probably a lost cause to begin with.

Bloom can confirm that I am of the opinion, and have been for some time, that McFadden is the top player in this draft at any position.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Fast time, but some overreaction in this thread.

Some guys are just consistently 'late to the party'.....I can imagine that after Peterson lit up the combine last year many pundits also weren't overly impressed......even though he backed it up with a marvelous collegiate resume as well.....Heed the words from a wise man, who once told me......"The train is docked at the station, so don't wait to get your ticket 'cause it's about to move full-steam ahead"

, or you can lead a Horse to water. Or Beleive in Mayock. Whatever it's all the same.

 

[JohnnyU]

Oddly enough, 4.33 is the exact same time Norwood ran at the combine and the exact same time Reggie Bush ran at his Pro Day.

Norwood's BJ at 10-2. Just IN CASE. Stewart won't post this.

Stewart is also 30 pounds heavier than Norwood. Just saying...

So His broad should be better.Just saying...

I don't believe I've ever seen a RB score from the 40 yd line using the broad jump.

 

[EBF]

Oddly enough, 4.33 is the exact same time Norwood ran at the combine and the exact same time Reggie Bush ran at his Pro Day.

Norwood's BJ at 10-2. Just IN CASE. Stewart won't post this.

Stewart is also 30 pounds heavier than Norwood. Just saying...

So His broad should be better.Just saying...

The broad jump favors tall players with long legs. That's why the receivers typically do better than the backs. McFadden's body type is well suited to that event. The vertical jump is more about power and leg strength. McFadden's mark in that drill was below what you normally see from a first round RB. Ditto Mendenhall, which was surpising given his size and strength.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

EBF and Construx -- I have been working very hard for 1.01 in Z30. It's why I haven't made any other deals, and why I have been avoiding the discussion. All the doubters have possibly been helping my cause, but it was probably a lost cause to begin with. Bloom can confirm that I am of the opinion, and have been for some time, that McFadden is the top player in this draft at any position.

Thanks. But why the hate?

 

[EBF]

EBF and Construx -- I have been working very hard for 1.01 in Z30. It's why I haven't made any other deals, and why I have been avoiding the discussion. All the doubters have possibly been helping my cause, but it was probably a lost cause to begin with. Bloom can confirm that I am of the opinion, and have been for some time, that McFadden is the top player in this draft at any position.

We'll see. I think he's a talented player who will make an impact at the next level. He's certainly not a perfect prospect though. I think the real risk with him is that he ends up being more of a change of pace guy than a true workhorse, which would hurt his FF value.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Oddly enough, 4.33 is the exact same time Norwood ran at the combine and the exact same time Reggie Bush ran at his Pro Day.

Norwood's BJ at 10-2. Just IN CASE. Stewart won't post this.

Stewart is also 30 pounds heavier than Norwood. Just saying...

So His broad should be better.Just saying...

The broad jump favors tall players with long legs. That's why the receivers typically do better than the backs. McFadden's body type is well suited to that event. The vertical jump is more about power and leg strength. McFadden's mark in that drill was below what you normally see from a first round RB. Ditto Mendenhall, which was surpising given his size and strength.

McFadden's mark in that drill was below what you normally see from a first round RBWhat? What back did better, ever?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

EBF and Construx -- I have been working very hard for 1.01 in Z30. It's why I haven't made any other deals, and why I have been avoiding the discussion. All the doubters have possibly been helping my cause, but it was probably a lost cause to begin with. Bloom can confirm that I am of the opinion, and have been for some time, that McFadden is the top player in this draft at any position.

LOL, hope you don't get it. I don't want either of you guys in my division to get him.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

EBF and Construx -- I have been working very hard for 1.01 in Z30. It's why I haven't made any other deals, and why I have been avoiding the discussion. All the doubters have possibly been helping my cause, but it was probably a lost cause to begin with. Bloom can confirm that I am of the opinion, and have been for some time, that McFadden is the top player in this draft at any position.

LOL, hope you don't get it. I don't want either of you guys in my division to get him.

Why there weak at WR. You guys kill me.

 

[EBF]

McFadden's mark in that drill was below what you normally see from a first round RBWhat? What back did better, ever?

In the vert? Larry Johnson - 41"Reggie Bush - 40.5"LaDainian Tomlinson - 40.5"Marion Barber III - 40"Adrian Peterson - 38.5"Joseph Addai - 38.5"Maurice Jones-Drew - 36"Laurence Maroney - 36"Marshawn Lynch - 35.5"DeAngelo Williams - 35.5"Most first round RBs do 35" or better. McFadden's relatively weak mark of 33.5" is consistent with the idea that he lacks leg strength.What's surprising is that Mendenhall only did 33.5". You would expect better from a squatty back like him. Stewart's jump of 36.5" puts him right in the range with the solid first rounders of recent years.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

McFadden's mark in that drill was below what you normally see from a first round RBWhat? What back did better, ever?

In the vert? Larry Johnson - 41"Reggie Bush - 40.5"LaDainian Tomlinson - 40.5"Marion Barber III - 40"Adrian Peterson - 38.5"Joseph Addai - 38.5"Maurice Jones-Drew - 36"Laurence Maroney - 36"Marshawn Lynch - 35.5"DeAngelo Williams - 35.5"Most first round RBs do 35" or better. McFadden's relatively weak mark of 33.5" is consistent with the idea that he lacks leg strength.What's surprising is that Mendenhall only did 33.5". You would expect better from a squatty back like him. Stewart's jump of 36.5" puts him right in the range with the solid first rounders of recent years.

Broad Jump numbers.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Oddly enough, 4.33 is the exact same time Norwood ran at the combine and the exact same time Reggie Bush ran at his Pro Day.

Norwood's BJ at 10-2. Just IN CASE. Stewart won't post this.

Stewart is also 30 pounds heavier than Norwood. Just saying...

So His broad should be better.Just saying...

I don't believe I've ever seen a RB score from the 40 yd line using the broad jump.

Nope, but He has the speed to take it too the House.

 

[Couch Potato]

I think today's 40 numbers just makes anyone holding picks 1.01 - 1.03 feel more comfortable. All three should be solid pros, and how a guy's career proceeds is determined by many factors. I don't think we can be sure how fantasy drafts will go until we see what NFL teams draft them, how the fantasy owner holding a pick perceives each guy's talent and opportunity, and whether he values talent or opportunity more highly. Unlike last year with AD, there's no slam dunk decision at RB this year even if McFadden is considered the most talented overall.

In many years it hasn't been the first guy taken that has had the best career (for example, in 2002 it was 1.16 William Green, 1.18 TJ Duckett, 2.34 DeShaun Foster, 2.51 Clinton Portis, then after M Morris, L Betts, L Gordon, the 8th RB was 3.91 Brian Westbrook)

 

[JohnnyU]

Oddly enough, 4.33 is the exact same time Norwood ran at the combine and the exact same time Reggie Bush ran at his Pro Day.

Norwood's BJ at 10-2. Just IN CASE. Stewart won't post this.

Stewart is also 30 pounds heavier than Norwood. Just saying...

So His broad should be better.Just saying...

I don't believe I've ever seen a RB score from the 40 yd line using the broad jump.

Nope, but He has the speed to take it too the House.

....as long as he doesn't have to break any tackles and has a hole the size of Paris Hilton, he should do fine.

 

[-X-]

Watching the combine footage again and McFadden looks more like a WR than a 3-down RB.

 

[EBF]

McFadden's mark in that drill was below what you normally see from a first round RBWhat? What back did better, ever?

In the vert? Larry Johnson - 41"Reggie Bush - 40.5"LaDainian Tomlinson - 40.5"Marion Barber III - 40"Adrian Peterson - 38.5"Joseph Addai - 38.5"Maurice Jones-Drew - 36"Laurence Maroney - 36"Marshawn Lynch - 35.5"DeAngelo Williams - 35.5"Most first round RBs do 35" or better. McFadden's relatively weak mark of 33.5" is consistent with the idea that he lacks leg strength.What's surprising is that Mendenhall only did 33.5". You would expect better from a squatty back like him. Stewart's jump of 36.5" puts him right in the range with the solid first rounders of recent years.

Broad Jump numbers.

I don't have the numbers from this year's group yet. Here are some numbers from previous classes:Justin Fargas - 11'5" Reggie Bush - 10'8"Marion Barber - 10'7"Adrian Peterson - 10'7"Marshawn Lynch - 10'5"Joseph Addai - 10'5"Larry Johnson - 10'4"Chris Perry - 10'4"LaDainian Tomlinson - 10'4"Laurence Maroney - 10'3"Jerious Norwood - 10'2"DeAngelo Williams - 10'1"Julius Jones - 10'1"William Green - 10'1"Kevin Jones - 10'Deshaun Foster - 9'11"Brian Westbrook - 9'10"Carnell Williams - 9'10"Steven Jackson - 9'10"Ronnie Brown - 9'9"Tatum Bell - 9'9"Cedric Benson - 9'8"Frank Gore - 9'1"This drill favors taller players, so it's not quite fair to compare the broad jump of a 5'8" guy like Westbrook with that of a 6'1" guy like Peterson. Nevertheless, it's a useful drill to get an idea of a RB's explosiveness. What you really look for are the guys who do well in BOTH jump drills. Those guys seem to succeed at a very high rate.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Oddly enough, 4.33 is the exact same time Norwood ran at the combine and the exact same time Reggie Bush ran at his Pro Day.

Norwood's BJ at 10-2. Just IN CASE. Stewart won't post this.

Stewart is also 30 pounds heavier than Norwood. Just saying...

So His broad should be better.Just saying...

I don't believe I've ever seen a RB score from the 40 yd line using the broad jump.

Nope, but He has the speed to take it too the House.

....as long as he doesn't have to break any tackles and has a hole the size of Paris Hilton, he should do fine.

 

[johnb]

Stewart, Carl 11'2"

Alridge, Anthony 11'2"

Johnson, Chris 10'10"

Brown, Thomas 10'8"

Stewart, Jonathan 10'8"

McFadden, Darren 10'8"

Parmele, Jalen 10'5"

Jones, Felix 10'4"

Simpson, Chad 10'4"

Hilliard, Lex 10'2"

Charles, Jamaal 10'2"

 

[JohnnyU]

Oddly enough, 4.33 is the exact same time Norwood ran at the combine and the exact same time Reggie Bush ran at his Pro Day.

Norwood's BJ at 10-2. Just IN CASE. Stewart won't post this.

Stewart is also 30 pounds heavier than Norwood. Just saying...

So His broad should be better.Just saying...

I don't believe I've ever seen a RB score from the 40 yd line using the broad jump.

Nope, but He has the speed to take it too the House.

....as long as he doesn't have to break any tackles and has a hole the size of Paris Hilton, he should do fine.

Yeah, that tickled me also.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

McFadden's mark in that drill was below what you normally see from a first round RBWhat? What back did better, ever?

In the vert? Larry Johnson - 41"Reggie Bush - 40.5"LaDainian Tomlinson - 40.5"Marion Barber III - 40"Adrian Peterson - 38.5"Joseph Addai - 38.5"Maurice Jones-Drew - 36"Laurence Maroney - 36"Marshawn Lynch - 35.5"DeAngelo Williams - 35.5"Most first round RBs do 35" or better. McFadden's relatively weak mark of 33.5" is consistent with the idea that he lacks leg strength.What's surprising is that Mendenhall only did 33.5". You would expect better from a squatty back like him. Stewart's jump of 36.5" puts him right in the range with the solid first rounders of recent years.

Broad Jump numbers.

I don't have the numbers from this year's group yet. Here are some numbers from previous classes:Justin Fargas - 11'5" Reggie Bush - 10'8"Marion Barber - 10'7"Adrian Peterson - 10'7"Marshawn Lynch - 10'5"Joseph Addai - 10'5"Larry Johnson - 10'4"Chris Perry - 10'4"LaDainian Tomlinson - 10'4"Laurence Maroney - 10'3"Jerious Norwood - 10'2"DeAngelo Williams - 10'1"Julius Jones - 10'1"William Green - 10'1"Kevin Jones - 10'Deshaun Foster - 9'11"Brian Westbrook - 9'10"Carnell Williams - 9'10"Steven Jackson - 9'10"Ronnie Brown - 9'9"Tatum Bell - 9'9"Cedric Benson - 9'8"Frank Gore - 9'1"This drill favors taller players, so it's not quite fair to compare the broad jump of a 5'8" guy like Westbrook with that of a 6'1" guy like Peterson. Nevertheless, it's a useful drill to get an idea of a RB's explosiveness. What you really look for are the guys who do well in BOTH jump drills. Those guys seem to succeed at a very high rate.

Thanks.WOW Gore 9.1 and 6 on that test.WOWWOW Fargas 11.5. WOW Stewart 10.8.Thanks again.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Oddly enough, 4.33 is the exact same time Norwood ran at the combine and the exact same time Reggie Bush ran at his Pro Day.

Norwood's BJ at 10-2. Just IN CASE. Stewart won't post this.

Stewart is also 30 pounds heavier than Norwood. Just saying...

So His broad should be better.Just saying...

I don't believe I've ever seen a RB score from the 40 yd line using the broad jump.

Nope, but He has the speed to take it too the House.

....as long as he doesn't have to break any tackles and has a hole the size of Paris Hilton, he should do fine.

Yeah, that tickled me also.

If you throw enough agaist the wall, something should stick. Correct.

 

[EBF]

What you really look for at RB is a guy who aces every test. Consider the best of the best:

LaDainian Tomlinson

4.46 40

40.5" vert

10'4" broad

Larry Johnson

4.45 40

41" vert

10'4" broad

Justin Fargas

4.35 40

39" vert

11'5" broad

Marion Barber

4.49 40

40" vert

10'7" broad

Reggie Bush

4.33 40

40.5" vert

10'8" broad

Adrian Peterson

4.41 40

38.5" vert

10'7" broad

Guys who ace all three drills seem to have good odds of becoming studs. Fargas is really the only unspectacular guy on the list and even he has logged a 1,000 yard season. Food for thought.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

What you really look for at RB is a guy who aces every test. Consider the best of the best:LaDainian Tomlinson4.46 4040.5" vert10'4" broadLarry Johnson4.45 4041" vert 10'4" broadJustin Fargas4.35 4039" vert11'5" broadMarion Barber4.49 4040" vert10'7" broadReggie Bush4.33 4040.5" vert10'8" broadAdrian Peterson4.41 4038.5" vert10'7" broadGuys who ace all three drills seem to have good odds of becoming studs. Fargas is really the only unspectacular guy on the list and even he has logged a 1,000 yard season. Food for thought.

Great Job.

 

[redman]

If you throw enough agaist the wall, something should stick. Correct.

Are you in the habit of drafting your own epitaphs?

 

[Maroney=Speed]

If you throw enough agaist the wall, something should stick. Correct.

Are you in the habit of drafting your own epitaphs?

Move along.