McNabb Says He is 75 Percent (1 Viewer)

[NCPanthersFan]

"McNabb aims for leading role in NFL, even at 75 percent"

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvwJ...p&type=lgns

I may be reading McNabb's comments wrong but this reads to me like he does not expect to be better than 75% any time soon.

"I'd say it's still about 75 percent," McNabb said of his knee. "I haven't tested it yet, but I can do everything I need to do in order to be successful. At 75 percent, I personally feel I can be one of the best quarterbacks in the league."

Even with the disclaimer of "you need to get a solid backup if you draft him" I am finding it hard to shake off the feeling that his current ADP (FBG as of 7/13) seems very high.

 

[FFFIEND]

I think McNabb needs to be taken pretty early. You just have to know what you are doing. I am looking for the best players and I am looking for lots of wins. I will figure things out when he leaves me. I did last year when I lost him from my team. Still won and he was a large part of getting me into the playoffs.

 

[spurs44]

"McNabb aims for leading role in NFL, even at 75 percent"

I may be reading McNabb's comments wrong but this reads to me like he does not expect to be better than 75% any time soon.

"I'd say it's still about 75 percent," McNabb said of his knee. "I haven't tested it yet, but I can do everything I need to do in order to be successful. At 75 percent, I personally feel I can be one of the best quarterbacks in the league."

Even with the disclaimer of "you need to get a solid backup if you draft him" I am finding it hard to shake off the feeling that his current ADP (FBG as of 7/13) seems very high.

What does anytime soon mean? Sometimes quotes are taken out of context.

 

[OCC]

I think McNabb needs to be taken pretty early. You just have to know what you are doing. I am looking for the best players and I am looking for lots of wins. I will figure things out when he leaves me. I did last year when I lost him from my team. Still won and he was a large part of getting me into the playoffs.

Last year was a little different. He was healthy last year.Now he's hurt, before the season even starts. He can't finish a season healthy, how will he do when he's hurt?Just look at Palmer. The guy was not the same until late in the season. And that's a guy who doesn't rely on being mobile, with lots of weapons. McNabb is the offense, he's hurt, and he less weapons then recent years.Like I said, last year is last year; this is an entirely different situation.

 

[nygiants56]

I think McNabb needs to be taken pretty early. You just have to know what you are doing. I am looking for the best players and I am looking for lots of wins. I will figure things out when he leaves me. I did last year when I lost him from my team. Still won and he was a large part of getting me into the playoffs.

Last year was a little different. He was healthy last year.Now he's hurt, before the season even starts. He can't finish a season healthy, how will he do when he's hurt?

Just look at Palmer. The guy was not the same until late in the season. And that's a guy who doesn't rely on being mobile, with lots of weapons. McNabb is the offense, he's hurt, and he less weapons then recent years.

Like I said, last year is last year; this is an entirely different situation.

he's also a year older. A "running' QB who can't run, is a problem. Now he's a sitting duck for opposing D-linemen.

the WR corps is banking on Reggie Brown producing at a high level as a #1 WR, just not sure he's ready to be a #1 guy yet. Curtis is a nice addition.

But,chances are, Reid's offense will run more, in an effort to keep McNabb healthy...

and, while McNabb thinks he's Superman, attempting to play at 75% reminds me of one Duante Culpepper , circa 2006. Its not a pretty sight.

McNabb is just not worth the risk, IMO..you can take all the stats from the past seasons with a grain of salt. The stats I'm most concerned about , are the ones that show he's only thrown for MORE than 21 TDS, just twice in his career (25, 31). He's played just one , full, 16-game schedule over the past 5 seasons. Only once has he completed over 60% of his passes.

take out that one MVP season in which he had T.O. to throw to, and McNabb is a very ordinary QB. He's simply NOT the same QB without T.O.

Looking at McNabb's stats over the past 5 seasons, they are very similar to Matt Hasselbeck's numbers.

Hass: 105tds/64 ints. 3 seasons with completions over 60%.

McNabb: 98/40. ONE seasons with completions over 60%. Again, the one time he completed 60% or more of his passes, was with T.O. on the roster.

Hass can be selected some 3-4 rounds AFTER McNabb, who has throw approx 5.4 fewer ints per season over the past 5 years, then Hasselbeck..thats not really a big deal,considering the high draft pick you'll need to spend, to acquire McNabb..

McNabb is perhaps the most over-hyped , overrated QB in fantasy football...Lets just put that myth to rest right now..Hes just not as good as people think. He's a very ordinary QB..

Why is it that people love McNabb, but loathed a guy like Robert Smith with all of his injuries.To me, they're same guy..loads of 'potential', but constantly hurt..

 

[Spartans Rule]

A "running' QB who can't run, is a problem. Now he's a sitting duck for opposing D-linemen.

How does that make him MORE likely to get hurt? If anything, it makes him LESS likely to get hurt, because he's not going to be moving out of the pocket as much.

 

[joffer]

A "running' QB who can't run, is a problem. Now he's a sitting duck for opposing D-linemen.

How does that make him MORE likely to get hurt? If anything, it makes him LESS likely to get hurt, because he's not going to be moving out of the pocket as much.

especially considering he got hurt last year scramblingmy only worry with McNabb this year is that i draft him in too many leagues.

 

[LHUCKS]

 

[SSOG]

I remember when I refused to draft Kellen "I'm a SOLDJA!" Winslow because he said that he'd never be any better than 80%.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

I think McNabb needs to be taken pretty early. You just have to know what you are doing. I am looking for the best players and I am looking for lots of wins. I will figure things out when he leaves me. I did last year when I lost him from my team. Still won and he was a large part of getting me into the playoffs.

Last year was a little different. He was healthy last year.Now he's hurt, before the season even starts. He can't finish a season healthy, how will he do when he's hurt?Just look at Palmer. The guy was not the same until late in the season. And that's a guy who doesn't rely on being mobile, with lots of weapons. McNabb is the offense, he's hurt, and he less weapons then recent years. Eagles offense and McNabb for that matter will be fine.Like I said, last year is last year; this is an entirely different situation.

McNabb is the offense?!?! Oh really - you may want to tell that to Brian Westbrook. How do they have less weapons? They swapped Curtis for Stallworth and added a short yardage back in Tony Hunt. Did you happend to catch the 2nd half of the Eagles season? You have any idea how good this offensive line is?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

A "running' QB who can't run, is a problem. Now he's a sitting duck for opposing D-linemen.

How does that make him MORE likely to get hurt? If anything, it makes him LESS likely to get hurt, because he's not going to be moving out of the pocket as much.

Not to mention he hasn't been a 'running QB' in three years. Seriously, if you think he's a 'running QB' you haven't seen an Eagles game in a few years.

 

[cstu]

I remember when I refused to draft Kellen "I'm a SOLDJA!" Winslow because he said that he'd never be any better than 80%.

 

[cstu]

I think McNabb needs to be taken pretty early. You just have to know what you are doing. I am looking for the best players and I am looking for lots of wins. I will figure things out when he leaves me. I did last year when I lost him from my team. Still won and he was a large part of getting me into the playoffs.

Last year was a little different. He was healthy last year.Now he's hurt, before the season even starts. He can't finish a season healthy, how will he do when he's hurt?

Just look at Palmer. The guy was not the same until late in the season. And that's a guy who doesn't rely on being mobile, with lots of weapons. McNabb is the offense, he's hurt, and he less weapons then recent years.

Like I said, last year is last year; this is an entirely different situation.

he's also a year older. A "running' QB who can't run, is a problem. Now he's a sitting duck for opposing D-linemen.

the WR corps is banking on Reggie Brown producing at a high level as a #1 WR, just not sure he's ready to be a #1 guy yet. Curtis is a nice addition.

But,chances are, Reid's offense will run more, in an effort to keep McNabb healthy...

and, while McNabb thinks he's Superman, attempting to play at 75% reminds me of one Duante Culpepper , circa 2006. Its not a pretty sight.

McNabb is just not worth the risk, IMO..you can take all the stats from the past seasons with a grain of salt. The stats I'm most concerned about , are the ones that show he's only thrown for MORE than 21 TDS, just twice in his career (25, 31). He's played just one , full, 16-game schedule over the past 5 seasons. Only once has he completed over 60% of his passes.

take out that one MVP season in which he had T.O. to throw to, and McNabb is a very ordinary QB. He's simply NOT the same QB without T.O.



Looking at McNabb's stats over the past 5 seasons, they are very similar to Matt Hasselbeck's numbers.

Hass: 105tds/64 ints. 3 seasons with completions over 60%.

McNabb: 98/40. ONE seasons with completions over 60%. Again, the one time he completed 60% or more of his passes, was with T.O. on the roster.

Hass can be selected some 3-4 rounds AFTER McNabb, who has throw approx 5.4 fewer ints per season over the past 5 years, then Hasselbeck..thats not really a big deal,considering the high draft pick you'll need to spend, to acquire McNabb..

McNabb is perhaps the most over-hyped , overrated QB in fantasy football...Lets just put that myth to rest right now..Hes just not as good as people think. He's a very ordinary QB..

Why is it that people love McNabb, but loathed a guy like Robert Smith with all of his injuries.To me, they're same guy..loads of 'potential', but constantly hurt..

Those numbers are meaningless, how about their PPG? Last year McNabb was on pace for a 36/10 season.I like Hasselbeck but he lost his best WR and Alexander will be counted on a lot more this year.

 

[Koya]

McNabb = high risk, high reward. And the rewards are larger than the PERCEIVED risk, imo.

It comes down to your strategy and risk/reward preferences. McNabb can be had a couple rounds later this year than last. If he is healthy all year - or at the right times - he can win FF championships. Not a huge amount of players can be known to have that ability.

But yeah, if he gets hurt and you don't have a good backup, your season takes a big hit. It's all on the table... you make the call.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

he's also a year older. A "running' QB who can't run, is a problem. Now he's a sitting duck for opposing D-linemen.

That "running" QB who hasn't been running much the last 2 years and is averaging 271 passing yards and 1.8 passing TDs per game.McNabb hasn't been a threatening running QB since 2002, but he's still black so I guess people assume he's still a "running" QB.

 

[Frank Black]

I agree with the high risk high reward comments. It makes me wonder what round he will be drafted in. On that note, I also wonder how much the Eagles will play him during preseason. They need to avoid risking re-injury; however, he has Curtis to develop chemistry with, and to an extent probably Baskett to develop more chemistry with.

 

[AB in DC]

he's also a year older. A "running' QB who can't run, is a problem. Now he's a sitting duck for opposing D-linemen.

That "running" QB who hasn't been running much the last 2 years and is averaging 271 passing yards and 1.8 passing TDs per game.McNabb hasn't been a threatening running QB since 2002, but he's still black so I guess people assume he's still a "running" QB.

Last year, McNabb finished 5th in rushing yards and 3d in rushing TD among QBs. In only 10 games.He scored 3.9 fppg on the ground, third among QBs (after Vick and Young, of course). Only two other QBs -- Charlie Frye and David Garrard had even half that number.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

take out that one MVP season in which he had T.O. to throw to, and McNabb is a very ordinary QB. He's simply NOT the same QB without T.O.

Woah there. So you're saying that he was playing like an ordinary QB last year before he got hurt? In that case Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady are worse than "ordinary" QBs, because he was outscoring all of them.

Looking at McNabb's stats over the past 5 seasons, they are very similar to Matt Hasselbeck's numbers.

Hass: 105tds/64 ints. 3 seasons with completions over 60%.

McNabb: 98/40. ONE seasons with completions over 60%. Again, the one time he completed 60% or more of his passes, was with T.O. on the roster.

Hass can be selected some 3-4 rounds AFTER McNabb, who has throw approx 5.4 fewer ints per season over the past 5 years, then Hasselbeck..thats not really a big deal,considering the high draft pick you'll need to spend, to acquire McNabb..

McNabb is perhaps the most over-hyped , overrated QB in fantasy football...Lets just put that myth to rest right now..Hes just not as good as people think. He's a very ordinary QB..

We can pick and choose random statistics to put together and make just about any argument. I can tell you right here and now that Rex Grossman threw for 800 more yards and 5 more TDs last year than Hasselbeck did, but if I give you the choice of the two who are you going to take?You're comparing Hasselbeck's numbers to Mcnabb's in 14 fewer games. PPG they're not even close, and yes there is a difference.

Your bending and twisting numbers to show something that's not there and you're not even hiding it well.

How can a guy be overrated as the #5 QB when on a PPG basis he's been NUMBER ONE the last few years? He gets hurt, that's the risk here. Don't give me the "he's never done anything without T.O" mumbo-jumbo because he had several pro bowl seasons before T.O. arrived and was the best fantasy QB when he played last year, also without T.O.

 

[Cowtippers]

from kffl

- Eagles | McNabb will not practice Monday

Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:13:47 -0700

Josh Wheeling, of PhiladelphiaEagles.com, reports Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid said QB Donovan McNabb (knee) will not practice Monday, July 30.

Hope his knee didn't act up already and it's just precaution.

 

[Cowtippers]

This was on Eagles.com - looks precautionary

Recovering from a torn ACL from last season, Donovan McNabb practiced for about a half hour outside, but only threw for a couple of minutes indoors. He returned to the field for the afternoon workouts, but he will not practice on Monday. Every year, McNabb sits out the final practice before the veterans arrive.

"This surface here has a tendency to get a little slick and I didn't want to take any chances," Reid said, referring to his quarterback. "He stayed up (in the trainer's room) and did his rehab work and worked his conditioning."

 

[PrinceofDarkness]

Wow. A lot of love for McNabb here.

A agree with the poster above that cites his injury history. McNabb is the Fred Taylor of QBs.

Good luck with that.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm an Eagles fan, season ticket holder and eternal optimist. That said, I've bee absolutely baffled by the almost complete willingness people have to look past McNabb's risks so far. Almost everyone ranks him solidly in the top 10 (closer to 5) and I've seen him drafted that high in a great many "expert" drafts, as well. Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

 

[LHUCKS]

Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

A) PPGB) Carson PalmerC) Positive News from Camp

 

[radballs]

I'm an Eagles fan, season ticket holder and eternal optimist. That said, I've bee absolutely baffled by the almost complete willingness people have to look past McNabb's risks so far. Almost everyone ranks him solidly in the top 10 (closer to 5) and I've seen him drafted that high in a great many "expert" drafts, as well. Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

The other interesting thing that I'm seeing in those expert drafts is that the scoring rules generally favor "running or mobile" QBs. I know this was once a strength of McNabb's, but I don't see how someone can expect him to be as mobile as he has been in the past compared with what I expect out of him in 2007.

 

[joffer]

I'm an Eagles fan, season ticket holder and eternal optimist. That said, I've bee absolutely baffled by the almost complete willingness people have to look past McNabb's risks so far. Almost everyone ranks him solidly in the top 10 (closer to 5) and I've seen him drafted that high in a great many "expert" drafts, as well. Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

The other interesting thing that I'm seeing in those expert drafts is that the scoring rules generally favor "running or mobile" QBs. I know this was once a strength of McNabb's, but I don't see how someone can expect him to be as mobile as he has been in the past compared with what I expect out of him in 2007.

maybe i'm getting the stats wrong, but with his rushing numbers last year he was #1 in PPG, without his rushing numbers he was #............2

 

[SSOG]

Wow. A lot of love for McNabb here.A agree with the poster above that cites his injury history. McNabb is the Fred Taylor of QBs. Good luck with that.

When you say that McNabb is the Fred Taylor of QBs, do you mean that he's a guy that got injured a lot in the past, but none of the injuries where chronic, recurring injuries... and then everyone labeled him "fragile", and then he made all of those people look stupid by playing in 46 consecutive games?

 

[LHUCKS]

Wow. A lot of love for McNabb here.A agree with the poster above that cites his injury history. McNabb is the Fred Taylor of QBs. Good luck with that.

When you say that McNabb is the Fred Taylor of QBs, do you mean that he's a guy that got injured a lot in the past, but none of the injuries where chronic, recurring injuries... and then everyone labeled him "fragile", and then he made all of those people look stupid by playing in 46 consecutive games?

Without looking I'd say Fred is close to the 99th percentile for carries by NFL RBs.

 

[radballs]

I'm an Eagles fan, season ticket holder and eternal optimist. That said, I've bee absolutely baffled by the almost complete willingness people have to look past McNabb's risks so far. Almost everyone ranks him solidly in the top 10 (closer to 5) and I've seen him drafted that high in a great many "expert" drafts, as well. Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

The other interesting thing that I'm seeing in those expert drafts is that the scoring rules generally favor "running or mobile" QBs. I know this was once a strength of McNabb's, but I don't see how someone can expect him to be as mobile as he has been in the past compared with what I expect out of him in 2007.

maybe i'm getting the stats wrong, but with his rushing numbers last year he was #1 in PPG, without his rushing numbers he was #............2

Not referring to his PAST stats, but his expected future ones. He's not only been injury prone, but he is currently injured. Where's the confusion joffer?

 

[toxicbees]

Red Flags should be going off right now. McNabb is 31, only 8 months removed from his ACL tear, and he's only 75% recovered.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'm an Eagles fan, season ticket holder and eternal optimist. That said, I've bee absolutely baffled by the almost complete willingness people have to look past McNabb's risks so far. Almost everyone ranks him solidly in the top 10 (closer to 5) and I've seen him drafted that high in a great many "expert" drafts, as well. Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

But don't you think that 10 games of McNabb and 5-6 games of your backup, whoever that may be will put your QB position in the top 5 in terms of scoring?Last year, if you would have taken McNabb + Alex Smith as your backup. Your QB position would have scored more than Drew Brees. I'd say that's pretty good.You know what the risks are for McNabb, so you hedge your bets.

 

[JaxBill]

I think the 75 percent quote is just to keep the expectations of sports talk show fans in check.

If McNabb says "I'm 99 percent healthy and I'm ready to roll" then takes today's practice off as a precaution, what will the headline say?

"Setback for McNabb!"

I'm cautiously optimistic in that reports are in that McNabb can drop back and plant on that leg and throw. I agree with Woodrow in that I want to see McNabb rolling away from trouble in a preseason game.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

I think the 75 percent quote is just to keep the expectations of sports talk show fans in check.

If McNabb says "I'm 99 percent healthy and I'm ready to roll" then takes today's practice off as a precaution, what will the headline say?

"Setback for McNabb!"

I'm cautiously optimistic in that reports are in that McNabb can drop back and plant on that leg and throw. I agree with Woodrow in that I want to see McNabb rolling away from trouble in a preseason game.

Daunte Culpepper looked good in the preseason last year. I'm not saying I'm just saying.

 

[joffer]

I'm an Eagles fan, season ticket holder and eternal optimist. That said, I've bee absolutely baffled by the almost complete willingness people have to look past McNabb's risks so far. Almost everyone ranks him solidly in the top 10 (closer to 5) and I've seen him drafted that high in a great many "expert" drafts, as well. Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

The other interesting thing that I'm seeing in those expert drafts is that the scoring rules generally favor "running or mobile" QBs. I know this was once a strength of McNabb's, but I don't see how someone can expect him to be as mobile as he has been in the past compared with what I expect out of him in 2007.

maybe i'm getting the stats wrong, but with his rushing numbers last year he was #1 in PPG, without his rushing numbers he was #............2

Not referring to his PAST stats, but his expected future ones. He's not only been injury prone, but he is currently injured. Where's the confusion joffer?

he doesn't necessarily need any rushing stats to be extremely valuable

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I hope this is a blessing in disguise. I would much rather see Dmac stay in the pocket and be forced to make quicker decisions with the ball. I think if he is limited it may also force Big Red to keep his word and have a more balanced offense.

Either way I believe Dmac is a top 6 QB.

 

[flooredyas]

Upon reading through this thread, I have drawn one conclusion. For me to draft him as my #1 QB, I will be forced to nab a solid backup EARLIER than I would prefer. So, to each his own, I don't plan to alter my draft strategy in that reguard.

 

[moleculo]

I'm an Eagles fan, season ticket holder and eternal optimist. That said, I've bee absolutely baffled by the almost complete willingness people have to look past McNabb's risks so far. Almost everyone ranks him solidly in the top 10 (closer to 5) and I've seen him drafted that high in a great many "expert" drafts, as well. Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

But don't you think that 10 games of McNabb and 5-6 games of your backup, whoever that may be will put your QB position in the top 5 in terms of scoring?Last year, if you would have taken McNabb + Alex Smith as your backup. Your QB position would have scored more than Drew Brees. I'd say that's pretty good.You know what the risks are for McNabb, so you hedge your bets.

unfortunately top 5 in positional scoring isn't gonna mean squat when it's time for the push into the playoffs and in the playoffs.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'm an Eagles fan, season ticket holder and eternal optimist. That said, I've bee absolutely baffled by the almost complete willingness people have to look past McNabb's risks so far. Almost everyone ranks him solidly in the top 10 (closer to 5) and I've seen him drafted that high in a great many "expert" drafts, as well. Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

But don't you think that 10 games of McNabb and 5-6 games of your backup, whoever that may be will put your QB position in the top 5 in terms of scoring?Last year, if you would have taken McNabb + Alex Smith as your backup. Your QB position would have scored more than Drew Brees. I'd say that's pretty good.You know what the risks are for McNabb, so you hedge your bets.

unfortunately top 5 in positional scoring isn't gonna mean squat when it's time for the push into the playoffs and in the playoffs.

LOL! Go take a look at the top QBs playoff performances last year.Week 15 and 16 scoring:Manning: 28, 20 (very good)Brees: 5, 9Palmer: 6, 12Vick: 28, 3Bulger: 5, 33Brady: 12, 16Now compare that to a backup you could easily getennington: 14, 15Losman: 19, 10Alex Smith: 23, 5POINT: I'll take McNabb for 10 weeks and a Pennington/Alex Smith and finish in the top 3 at the QB position.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I'm an Eagles fan, season ticket holder and eternal optimist. That said, I've bee absolutely baffled by the almost complete willingness people have to look past McNabb's risks so far. Almost everyone ranks him solidly in the top 10 (closer to 5) and I've seen him drafted that high in a great many "expert" drafts, as well. Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

But don't you think that 10 games of McNabb and 5-6 games of your backup, whoever that may be will put your QB position in the top 5 in terms of scoring?Last year, if you would have taken McNabb + Alex Smith as your backup. Your QB position would have scored more than Drew Brees. I'd say that's pretty good.You know what the risks are for McNabb, so you hedge your bets.

unfortunately top 5 in positional scoring isn't gonna mean squat when it's time for the push into the playoffs and in the playoffs.

LOL! Go take a look at the top QBs playoff performances last year.Week 15 and 16 scoring:Manning: 28, 20 (very good)Brees: 5, 9Palmer: 6, 12Vick: 28, 3Bulger: 5, 33Brady: 12, 16Now compare that to a backup you could easily getennington: 14, 15Losman: 19, 10Alex Smith: 23, 5POINT: I'll take McNabb for 10 weeks and a Pennington/Alex Smith and finish in the top 3 at the QB position.

What scoring system are you using?

 

[TCFF]

Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

A) PPGB) Carson PalmerC) Positive News from Camp

I would add to this list the fact that the eagles system is extremely QB friendly. Every QB who has played in Philly recently (excluding Mike McMahan in the TO season)has put up solid numbers in the system and that includes guys like Garcia and Feeley who had been TERRIBLE elsewhere. Can McNabb be successful in this system at less than 100%? I would think that he could if Garcia and Feeley could be successful. Finally, while it makes me cringe as an Eagles fan, Feeley would not be a bad handcuff to McNabb. While I would expect the PPG numbers to drop by a few points per game, I think he would do as well as guys like Pennington and Alex Smith and he could be taken very late in the draft. This strategy would, imho, be useful in leagues with deep rosters or in leauges that start 2 QBs.

 

[moleculo]

I'm an Eagles fan, season ticket holder and eternal optimist. That said, I've bee absolutely baffled by the almost complete willingness people have to look past McNabb's risks so far. Almost everyone ranks him solidly in the top 10 (closer to 5) and I've seen him drafted that high in a great many "expert" drafts, as well. Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

But don't you think that 10 games of McNabb and 5-6 games of your backup, whoever that may be will put your QB position in the top 5 in terms of scoring?Last year, if you would have taken McNabb + Alex Smith as your backup. Your QB position would have scored more than Drew Brees. I'd say that's pretty good.You know what the risks are for McNabb, so you hedge your bets.

unfortunately top 5 in positional scoring isn't gonna mean squat when it's time for the push into the playoffs and in the playoffs.

LOL! Go take a look at the top QBs playoff performances last year.Week 15 and 16 scoring:Manning: 28, 20 (very good)Brees: 5, 9Palmer: 6, 12Vick: 28, 3Bulger: 5, 33Brady: 12, 16Now compare that to a backup you could easily getennington: 14, 15Losman: 19, 10Alex Smith: 23, 5POINT: I'll take McNabb for 10 weeks and a Pennington/Alex Smith and finish in the top 3 at the QB position.

you are cherry picking and you know it. You are talking about going most of the season w/ the #1 QB, which will put you in good position to make the playoffs. Once you are in, you will be going with the #19QB. Maybe not the best idea.The concept of overall points is flawed in head to head leagues.don't mis-interpret this as me saying I'm down on McNabb - I tend to draft him often. I'm a big fan - mostly because Andy Reid LOVES to let McNabb be the playmaker. I also do not believe in projecting injuries - especially non- cumulative type injuries that can be recovered from. When/if I draft McNabb this year, I will not be taking any injury history into consideration, outside of the fact that his value may be lower and therefore I can let him sit a little longer. I also tend to look @ QB2 fairly early regardless of QB1 because it sucks to have to go to the WW for QB production.

 

[joffer]

Upon reading through this thread, I have drawn one conclusion. For me to draft him as my #1 QB, I will be forced to nab a solid backup EARLIER than I would prefer. So, to each his own, I don't plan to alter my draft strategy in that reguard.

there's no doubt this is true, but for me it's a small price to pay for potentially elite QB performance in the 5th round.

 

[OCC]

Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

A) PPGB) Carson PalmerC) Positive News from Camp

a) His amazing PPG was when he was HEALTHY, going into the year. This is not the case. We don't even know if he's starting week 1.b) Palmer is a lot younger, much less mobile, and he STRUGGLED most of the year. He's an argument against McNabb, not for.c) Uh, no. There hasn't been any. He's able to walk, wow positive. And the "when McNabb eats dirt, plug in your QB2!". Unless it was Trent Green. Or Leftwhich. FF playoffs mean more then the regular season. We'll assume you're fairly in the know, and can make the playoffs. Once in the playoffs, it's usually the core of your team that pulls you through. Losing your 3rd/4th/5th round pick, plugging in the backup, was not the ideal situation.But it's cute to add up "McNabb PPG + Backup QB" Wow great numbers from our QB! Except we lost in the 1st round and its back to beating off to hentai. I saw numerous cases where McNabb went out, and the team bombed. In fact McNabb was carrying them, but without him, they went from barely winning, to barely losing, and got smoked in the playoffs. His PPG just means he's awesome when healthy. No kidding. My 9 year niece knew that just from the chunky soup commercials. I fail to see how "Wow when he's 100% he's really good" is a plus. It means he's always hurt, and never finishes seasons. That's uh, bad? I still see McNabb being taken in the top 5 QBs, which is more or less laughable. People sticking their head in the sand, repeating his PPG numbers (can't use end of year totals, he's always hurt) and hoping it just all works out.

 

[OCC]

Upon reading through this thread, I have drawn one conclusion. For me to draft him as my #1 QB, I will be forced to nab a solid backup EARLIER than I would prefer. So, to each his own, I don't plan to alter my draft strategy in that reguard.

there's no doubt this is true, but for me it's a small price to pay for potentially elite QB performance in the 5th round.

I can get Bulger is pretty much the same spot. Without the massive history of injuries McNabb has. And Bulger is healthy right now, which McNabb isn't.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Upon reading through this thread, I have drawn one conclusion. For me to draft him as my #1 QB, I will be forced to nab a solid backup EARLIER than I would prefer. So, to each his own, I don't plan to alter my draft strategy in that reguard.

there's no doubt this is true, but for me it's a small price to pay for potentially elite QB performance in the 5th round.

I can get Bulger is pretty much the same spot. Without the massive history of injuries McNabb has. And Bulger is healthy right now, which McNabb isn't.

Bulger doesn't have a history of getting hurt? You need to pull your head out of the sand as well.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'm an Eagles fan, season ticket holder and eternal optimist. That said, I've bee absolutely baffled by the almost complete willingness people have to look past McNabb's risks so far. Almost everyone ranks him solidly in the top 10 (closer to 5) and I've seen him drafted that high in a great many "expert" drafts, as well. Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

But don't you think that 10 games of McNabb and 5-6 games of your backup, whoever that may be will put your QB position in the top 5 in terms of scoring?Last year, if you would have taken McNabb + Alex Smith as your backup. Your QB position would have scored more than Drew Brees. I'd say that's pretty good.You know what the risks are for McNabb, so you hedge your bets.

unfortunately top 5 in positional scoring isn't gonna mean squat when it's time for the push into the playoffs and in the playoffs.

LOL! Go take a look at the top QBs playoff performances last year.Week 15 and 16 scoring:Manning: 28, 20 (very good)Brees: 5, 9Palmer: 6, 12Vick: 28, 3Bulger: 5, 33Brady: 12, 16Now compare that to a backup you could easily getennington: 14, 15Losman: 19, 10Alex Smith: 23, 5POINT: I'll take McNabb for 10 weeks and a Pennington/Alex Smith and finish in the top 3 at the QB position.

you are cherry picking and you know it. You are talking about going most of the season w/ the #1 QB, which will put you in good position to make the playoffs. Once you are in, you will be going with the #19QB. Maybe not the best idea.The concept of overall points is flawed in head to head leagues.don't mis-interpret this as me saying I'm down on McNabb - I tend to draft him often. I'm a big fan - mostly because Andy Reid LOVES to let McNabb be the playmaker. I also do not believe in projecting injuries - especially non- cumulative type injuries that can be recovered from. When/if I draft McNabb this year, I will not be taking any injury history into consideration, outside of the fact that his value may be lower and therefore I can let him sit a little longer. I also tend to look @ QB2 fairly early regardless of QB1 because it sucks to have to go to the WW for QB production.

How am I cherry picking? Just look at the top 6 QBs last year (and those are head to head scores from week 15 and 16). Only Manning (and to a lesser extent Brady) actually performed well in BOTH weeks 15 and 16 (which are my leagues playoffs). The point, which you are missing is that it doesn't matter if you have Tom Brady, Marc Bulger, Drew Brees or McNabb plus any QB who you would select in rounds 13+. They all have a decent shot at performing well and/or poorly in weeks 15 and 16. You need to get to the playoffs before you start worrying about whether your players will perform well once you get there. Why not get a QB who you know will put up consistently good numbers each week. You can take a guy you think will play 16 games and rationalize it with the "well what good is McNabb if he isn't there for the playoffs." But you will be ignoring the fact that it doesn't matter who you are starting in weeks 15 or 16. Unless you got Manning, there is probably a decent chance that your QB will give you a crap game during that time. The same chance that you have with some of the lesser QBs.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'm an Eagles fan, season ticket holder and eternal optimist. That said, I've bee absolutely baffled by the almost complete willingness people have to look past McNabb's risks so far. Almost everyone ranks him solidly in the top 10 (closer to 5) and I've seen him drafted that high in a great many "expert" drafts, as well. Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

But don't you think that 10 games of McNabb and 5-6 games of your backup, whoever that may be will put your QB position in the top 5 in terms of scoring?Last year, if you would have taken McNabb + Alex Smith as your backup. Your QB position would have scored more than Drew Brees. I'd say that's pretty good.You know what the risks are for McNabb, so you hedge your bets.

unfortunately top 5 in positional scoring isn't gonna mean squat when it's time for the push into the playoffs and in the playoffs.

LOL! Go take a look at the top QBs playoff performances last year.Week 15 and 16 scoring:Manning: 28, 20 (very good)Brees: 5, 9Palmer: 6, 12Vick: 28, 3Bulger: 5, 33Brady: 12, 16Now compare that to a backup you could easily getennington: 14, 15Losman: 19, 10Alex Smith: 23, 5POINT: I'll take McNabb for 10 weeks and a Pennington/Alex Smith and finish in the top 3 at the QB position.

What scoring system are you using?

1 pt for every 25 yards passing.4 pts per pass TD1 pt for every 10 rushing/recieving6 pts per rush/rec TD-2 pts per INT

 

[moleculo]

I'm an Eagles fan, season ticket holder and eternal optimist. That said, I've bee absolutely baffled by the almost complete willingness people have to look past McNabb's risks so far. Almost everyone ranks him solidly in the top 10 (closer to 5) and I've seen him drafted that high in a great many "expert" drafts, as well. Just don't understand how anyone could model for him to attain that kind of fantasy projection until AT LEAST they see him play in two or three preseason games as promisd.

But don't you think that 10 games of McNabb and 5-6 games of your backup, whoever that may be will put your QB position in the top 5 in terms of scoring?Last year, if you would have taken McNabb + Alex Smith as your backup. Your QB position would have scored more than Drew Brees. I'd say that's pretty good.You know what the risks are for McNabb, so you hedge your bets.

unfortunately top 5 in positional scoring isn't gonna mean squat when it's time for the push into the playoffs and in the playoffs.

LOL! Go take a look at the top QBs playoff performances last year.Week 15 and 16 scoring:Manning: 28, 20 (very good)Brees: 5, 9Palmer: 6, 12Vick: 28, 3Bulger: 5, 33Brady: 12, 16Now compare that to a backup you could easily getennington: 14, 15Losman: 19, 10Alex Smith: 23, 5POINT: I'll take McNabb for 10 weeks and a Pennington/Alex Smith and finish in the top 3 at the QB position.

you are cherry picking and you know it. You are talking about going most of the season w/ the #1 QB, which will put you in good position to make the playoffs. Once you are in, you will be going with the #19QB. Maybe not the best idea.The concept of overall points is flawed in head to head leagues.don't mis-interpret this as me saying I'm down on McNabb - I tend to draft him often. I'm a big fan - mostly because Andy Reid LOVES to let McNabb be the playmaker. I also do not believe in projecting injuries - especially non- cumulative type injuries that can be recovered from. When/if I draft McNabb this year, I will not be taking any injury history into consideration, outside of the fact that his value may be lower and therefore I can let him sit a little longer. I also tend to look @ QB2 fairly early regardless of QB1 because it sucks to have to go to the WW for QB production.

How am I cherry picking? Just look at the top 6 QBs last year (and those are head to head scores from week 15 and 16). Only Manning (and to a lesser extent Brady) actually performed well in BOTH weeks 15 and 16 (which are my leagues playoffs). The point, which you are missing is that it doesn't matter if you have Tom Brady, Marc Bulger, Drew Brees or McNabb plus any QB who you would select in rounds 13+. They all have a decent shot at performing well and/or poorly in weeks 15 and 16. You need to get to the playoffs before you start worrying about whether your players will perform well once you get there. Why not get a QB who you know will put up consistently good numbers each week. You can take a guy you think will play 16 games and rationalize it with the "well what good is McNabb if he isn't there for the playoffs." But you will be ignoring the fact that it doesn't matter who you are starting in weeks 15 or 16. Unless you got Manning, there is probably a decent chance that your QB will give you a crap game during that time. The same chance that you have with some of the lesser QBs.

You are cherry picking by leaning on hindsight, which is always 20/20. Going into week 15, are you saying you would have been more comfortable with JP Losman in snowy buffalo vs Miami than Drew Brees at home vs Was? I'll grant you that all QB's have some risk for laying an egg in a given game. However, "studs" are less likely to say said egg. That's why they are considered studs.

 

[OCC]

Upon reading through this thread, I have drawn one conclusion. For me to draft him as my #1 QB, I will be forced to nab a solid backup EARLIER than I would prefer. So, to each his own, I don't plan to alter my draft strategy in that reguard.

there's no doubt this is true, but for me it's a small price to pay for potentially elite QB performance in the 5th round.

I can get Bulger is pretty much the same spot. Without the massive history of injuries McNabb has. And Bulger is healthy right now, which McNabb isn't.

Bulger doesn't have a history of getting hurt? You need to pull your head out of the sand as well.

Like I said, McNabb has more of a history, and more recent history, then Bulger.And Bulger is healthy right now.McNabb isn't. Clearly in terms of injuries, they're not in the same boat. Did that clear it up?

 

[OCC]

You are cherry picking by leaning on hindsight, which is always 20/20. Going into week 15, are you saying you would have been more comfortable with JP Losman in snowy buffalo vs Miami than Drew Brees at home vs Was? I'll grant you that all QB's have some risk for laying an egg in a given game. However, "studs" are less likely to say said egg. That's why they are considered studs.

Agreed.That's great research."In FF playoffs, play any QB, they're all the same."And you didn't even charge us for it.

 

[The Little Man on the Boat]

I was looking at rankings in for last year in my league. He finished as the #7 QB even though he missed half the year. He was an animal until he got hurt.

I would love to own him, but I just need to be more aggressive on drafting a backup for him.