McNabb Trade Rumor du jour (2 Viewers)

[No Way Jose]

Sources tell Yahoo's Charles Robinson that the Raiders are "in front right now" in the pursuit of Donovan McNabb.

NFL Network's Jason La Canfora also believes that Oakland is the favorite to land McNabb. "And I'm told they will NOT require an extension to get a deal done," Robinson adds. The Raiders were swindled for a future first-round pick by New England in last summer's Richard Seymour deal, with Seymour in a contract year. McNabb is also in the last year of his deal. We'd say Al Davis wouldn't make the same mistake again...but these are the Raiders. Mar. 26 - 4:02 pm et

Source: Charles Robinson on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines...L&hl=170530

I heard that the Eric Berry is now visiting with the Eagles....That would insinuate to me that they have a real chance to move up in the draft. They wouldnt fly him out for nothing. I would not be surprised if the Eagles steal that 1st round pick.

 

[JetMaxx]

To be honest, as a long-term Eagles fan, I have been a long-term critic of McNabb and I would like to see the Birds move in a new direction at QB. Now I know some of you all like McNabb and can talk about his great stats and I will give that his regular season stats do look good, but when it comes time to put up and finish strong, he fails miserably. That's been his story since 1999, so it's not like we are talking new information here. The inconsistencies in the playoffs are absolutely ridiculous.For you stat mongers, here's the last decade of McNabb in regular season:Year G Att Comp Pct Pass Yds Pass TD Int Rush Att Rush Yds Rush TD FUM2009 14 443 267 60.3 3,553 22 10 37 140 2 32008 16 571 345 60.4 3,916 23 11 39 147 2 32007 14 473 291 61.5 3,324 19 7 50 236 0 32006 10 316 180 57 2,647 18 6 32 212 3 22005 9 357 211 59.1 2,507 16 9 25 55 1 52004 15 469 300 64 3,875 31 8 41 220 3 22003 16 478 275 57.5 3,216 16 11 71 355 3 42002 10 361 211 58.4 2,289 17 6 63 460 6 12001 16 493 285 57.8 3,233 25 12 82 482 2 22000 16 569 330 58 3,365 21 13 86 629 6 21999 12 216 106 49.1 948 8 7 47 313 0 2Looks good right? Let's look at the playoff game stats he's been in:Year G Att Comp Pct Pass Yds Pass TD Int Rush Att Rush Yds Rush TD FUM2009 1 37 19 51.4 230 1 1 2 13 0 2008 3 121 73 60.3 892 5 4 7 47 1 2004 3 110 68 61.8 823 7 3 14 35 0 2003 2 61 31 50.8 348 2 3 13 117 0 2002 2 79 46 58.2 490 1 1 7 41 0 2001 3 95 60 63.2 627 5 3 16 120 0 2000 2 74 44 59.5 342 3 2 13 49 1 I would argue that his regular season stats are in much better position than his playoff statistics in every year he has ever been in the playoffs. My book, I call this the "CHOKE" effect. His TD/INT ratio is drastically difference... In regular season, he is almost 2:1 ratio in TD/INT. In the playoffs, it's 1.2:1. Almost a 50% difference. Next, in the last five years, he has played all of the games in the season once. Not a good sign for an aging QB. My final stick, is that they have 3 QBs all in the last year of the contract. Do I want to sign a guy that has choked in each of the five playoff seasons? In all honesty, for the roster salaries, the Eagles don't need to move anyone. They can pick and choose what they want and have 3 solid QBs, with McNabb leading the point. To me the real question is Kolb, is he another Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady biding time on the bench? Can he step up and play. Well, I know the Reid style of WCO made Feely look like an all-pro QB, and in the 2 games Kolb played, he looked pretty good. My personal thoughts, the Birds have to make a decision on the future, I don't think McNabb is it. I am not saying Kolb or Vick are all that, what I am saying is that I think with a few years under the belt, they might be the ones to get us that SB title. What I do know, is McNabb has shown to me that he cannot win the big games when the tension is on. I've been a fan of this club since the Jaws era and I think it is time to put up or shut up. We drafted Kolb for a reason, I say we give him the time to fly. Personally, I don't think the team will be as diminished as most people are thinking due to the style of offense that is run. My 2 cents.....

Thanks for confirming with facts what I've always felt. As someone whose family has had season tix since Franklin Field and has personally gone to 100's of games and practically seen it all since the late 70's, I know what it's like to lose year in and year out and know the feeling of continued success. So I don't take for granted what has been accomplished during the Reid/McNabb era. But I've grown tired of McNabb and the expectation of failure and yearn for a change. I've documented my ire toward McNabb in this forum often so I won't . However, I do agree with many who proclaim that McNabb could have been good enough to win if the offense wasn't insanely slanted to the pass. For that it's hard to forgive Reid for "not putting his guys in the best position to succeed." To me that's the great irony, a point he belabors weekly but one he failed to carry out with the most important player this franchise has had in the past 15 yrs.

 

[Crippler]

I'm hoping the Bills offer pick 41 and be done with it. If there is a bidding war, i'd be willing to part ways with 41 and donte whitner.

Do you really think McNabb will help this team to the promise land in the end. I think they are better off keeping the pick in the end and having a crap year this year and get one of the 3 nice looking QB's from next years draft. Build that OL this year. McNabb is not going to sign an extension with any team other than Arizona or Minnesota in the end. A year from now he can see that Leinart might suck and that Brett will finally retire and he might have his choice of a prime job where he will be paid no matter what. And why I agree with Mayock's thought process. So are you giving up pick 41 for one year of McNabb. Even though I dont see him leading the Bills to the playoffs in the next 3 to 4 years in the end. Waste of pick and money in the end for any team that has struggled lately.

Obviously the only way i'd do the trade is if he agreed to an extension.

If he signs an extension he would be worth trading a pick for.I just look at some of the turnarounds by bad teams when they add a QB:Atlanta, 4-12, add Matt Ryan and go 11-5.Baltimore, 5-11 add Joe Flacco and go 11-5.NO Saints 3-13, add Drew Brees and go 10-6.NY Jets 4-12, add Brett Favre and go 9-7.

Where all of these franchises except maybe NO, pretty good clubs before the one bad year. I dont think Buffalo who has been bad for years fits into this equation. How did KC do last year with adding Cassell. How about Detroit with Stafford. Chicago with Cutler. For every success story as above there is a non success story in the end. It usually takes teams with a few losing seasons a few years to fill out the holes they have. QB is just the first step

 

[cstu]

Where all of these franchises except maybe NO, pretty good clubs before the one bad year. I dont think Buffalo who has been bad for years fits into this equation. How did KC do last year with adding Cassell. How about Detroit with Stafford. Chicago with Cutler. For every success story as above there is a non success story in the end. It usually takes teams with a few losing seasons a few years to fill out the holes they have. QB is just the first step

The Raiders don't have that bad of a team and play in a weak division. I believe the defense would be above average-to-good if the offense could keep them off the field. McNabb wouldn't be a miracle worker, but could get the team to 8-8.

 

[dotman]

To be honest, as a long-term Eagles fan, I have been a long-term critic of McNabb and I would like to see the Birds move in a new direction at QB. Now I know some of you all like McNabb and can talk about his great stats and I will give that his regular season stats do look good, but when it comes time to put up and finish strong, he fails miserably. That's been his story since 1999, so it's not like we are talking new information here. The inconsistencies in the playoffs are absolutely ridiculous.For you stat mongers, here's the last decade of McNabb in regular season:Year G Att Comp Pct Pass Yds Pass TD Int Rush Att Rush Yds Rush TD FUM2009 14 443 267 60.3 3,553 22 10 37 140 2 32008 16 571 345 60.4 3,916 23 11 39 147 2 32007 14 473 291 61.5 3,324 19 7 50 236 0 32006 10 316 180 57 2,647 18 6 32 212 3 22005 9 357 211 59.1 2,507 16 9 25 55 1 52004 15 469 300 64 3,875 31 8 41 220 3 22003 16 478 275 57.5 3,216 16 11 71 355 3 42002 10 361 211 58.4 2,289 17 6 63 460 6 12001 16 493 285 57.8 3,233 25 12 82 482 2 22000 16 569 330 58 3,365 21 13 86 629 6 21999 12 216 106 49.1 948 8 7 47 313 0 2Looks good right? Let's look at the playoff game stats he's been in:Year G Att Comp Pct Pass Yds Pass TD Int Rush Att Rush Yds Rush TD FUM2009 1 37 19 51.4 230 1 1 2 13 0 2008 3 121 73 60.3 892 5 4 7 47 1 2004 3 110 68 61.8 823 7 3 14 35 0 2003 2 61 31 50.8 348 2 3 13 117 0 2002 2 79 46 58.2 490 1 1 7 41 0 2001 3 95 60 63.2 627 5 3 16 120 0 2000 2 74 44 59.5 342 3 2 13 49 1 I would argue that his regular season stats are in much better position than his playoff statistics in every year he has ever been in the playoffs. My book, I call this the "CHOKE" effect. His TD/INT ratio is drastically difference... In regular season, he is almost 2:1 ratio in TD/INT. In the playoffs, it's 1.2:1. Almost a 50% difference. Next, in the last five years, he has played all of the games in the season once. Not a good sign for an aging QB. My final stick, is that they have 3 QBs all in the last year of the contract. Do I want to sign a guy that has choked in each of the five playoff seasons? In all honesty, for the roster salaries, the Eagles don't need to move anyone. They can pick and choose what they want and have 3 solid QBs, with McNabb leading the point. To me the real question is Kolb, is he another Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady biding time on the bench? Can he step up and play. Well, I know the Reid style of WCO made Feely look like an all-pro QB, and in the 2 games Kolb played, he looked pretty good. My personal thoughts, the Birds have to make a decision on the future, I don't think McNabb is it. I am not saying Kolb or Vick are all that, what I am saying is that I think with a few years under the belt, they might be the ones to get us that SB title. What I do know, is McNabb has shown to me that he cannot win the big games when the tension is on. I've been a fan of this club since the Jaws era and I think it is time to put up or shut up. We drafted Kolb for a reason, I say we give him the time to fly. Personally, I don't think the team will be as diminished as most people are thinking due to the style of offense that is run. My 2 cents.....

I'm not saying they shouldn't deal McNabb but I don't follow your choke logic. First of all, looking at the playoff stats you posted I see 24TD's 17INTs, a ratio of a little over 1.4. I kind of think most QB's numbers would be worse in the postseason since you play better teams overall. I'd like to see all QB's stats, but a quick Google search revealed Peyton's TD:INT ratio goes from 2.8 to 1.6 in the playoffs. Guess he's a bigger CHOKE artist than McNabb right?Also, you say he choked the past 5 seasons. Apparently only playoff loses are big games to you, since you count every playoff loss as choking, but when he wins a playoff game you give no credit for winning a big game. Maybe you should figure out if a game is a "big game" before you know the outcome.

 

[scratcher]

PFT

Over the past few days, we've been sharing and reacting to the many reports regarding the status of Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, a process that was sparked when coach Andy Reid said on Tuesday that other teams are "entertaining us with offers" regarding McNabb. Several of the reports from others in the media are a bit inconsistent, to say the least. Our only original reporting in this regard focused on the fact that a Rams source privately said there was "no truth" to the report of an imminent trade for McNabb, several hours before G.M. Billy Devaney went on the record with Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and said that the report was in fact "utterly ridiculous" and "absolutely false." (We also posted an uncorrborated tip that the Raiders were considering an offer of cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha for McNabb and cornerback Asante Samuel; the tip was partially corroborated by Len Pasquarelli of ESPN.com.)Now, we've got some more.Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Eagles are receiving offers from teams that have not been identified publicly at the request of the teams making the offers. This is happening for two reasons: (1) some of the teams have incumbent starting quarterbacks who would be confused, to say the least, if they learned that McNabb could be joining the club; and (2) none of the teams want fans or the media to know that they are courting McNabb, in the event that they fail to land him.This doesn't explain the fact that the Bills, Rams, and Raiders have been named as potential trade partners. According to the source, however, the Eagles have disclosed to no one the names of the teams with whom they are or aren't talking. We initially believed that Jeff McLane's erroneous report that McNabb could be a Ram by the end of the week was the Eagles themselves, who were floating a phony rumor in the hopes of sending a "speak now or forever hold your piece/peace" vibe to other interested teams. Based on our source, McLane apparently had a different source.It's possible that McLane's source was McNabb himself, or agent Fletcher Smith. (McLane's subsequent report that McNabb prefers playing for the Vikings suggests he has a pipeline into the McNabb camp.) This approach by McNabb would allow him to push the issue to a head without pulling a Jay Cutler and openly demanding a trade.The McLane report isn't the only nugget that might not reflect reality. ESPN's Sal Paolantonio says that no one is willing to offer more than a third-round pick. But as our source pointed out, "Has he talked to every team and have they told him their offer?"ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that McNabb told coach Andy Reid that he preferred staying put to joining the Bills or the Raiders, and McNabb's agent thereafter said that McNabb has said nothing to the team. Though it's possible that the agent is speaking with a sporked tongue, the discrepancy has largely been ignored.Finally, the Associated Press reported that the Eagles want the 42nd pick or higher in the 2010 draft. (And, of course, the AP report was taken as gospel truth because the AP has never been wrong.) Said the source, "Does anyone really believe the Eagles would pick such a random number and draw a line in the sand?" We're told that something higher than this reported threshold already has been offered. The source believes that the "42 or higher" requirement was leaked by one or more other teams in order to frame the value -- and possibly to create local pressure on the Eagles, many of whose fans generally are anxious, to say the least, to see McNabb get run out of town.As we understand it, the Eagles have received a variety of offers, with draft picks only and players only and players and picks. We're told that the Eagles have never placed an asking price on McNabb. Instead, they're doing exactly what we reported in early March that they'd do -- sitting back and waiting for the offers to come and evaluating them at the appropriate time.As we also understand it, the Eagles soon will review the proposals and decide whether to pursue any of them. Though we'll continue to post reports from other folks who follow the NFL for a living, it's important to keep this broader context in mind. We'll try to do so; we encourage you to do the same.

 

[cstu]

This is happening for two reasons: (1) some of the teams have incumbent starting quarterbacks who would be confused, to say the least, if they learned that McNabb could be joining the club; and (2) none of the teams want fans or the media to know that they are courting McNabb, in the event that they fail to land him.

This doesn't explain the fact that the Bills, Rams, and Raiders have been named as potential trade partners.

The last I checked those teams don't have starting quarterbacks.

 

[delusional]

Basically this is all hearsay started by talking heads trying to stir something up or taking a whack at the obvious

example: well philly has 3qbs, their media say no one likes mcnabb in the city, teams a b c have no qbs...lets go with that

 

[massraider]

Basically this is all hearsay started by talking heads trying to stir something up or taking a whack at the obviousexample: well philly has 3qbs, their media say no one likes mcnabb in the city, teams a b c have no qbs...lets go with that

If that was true, Philly would have stomped these rumors awhile ago. They haven't.

 

[finito]

Basically this is all hearsay started by talking heads trying to stir something up or taking a whack at the obviousexample: well philly has 3qbs, their media say no one likes mcnabb in the city, teams a b c have no qbs...lets go with that

If that was true, Philly would have stomped these rumors awhile ago. They haven't.

They probably want these types of rumors because it could drive teams to compete for him, upping his trade value.

 

[massraider]

Basically this is all hearsay started by talking heads trying to stir something up or taking a whack at the obviousexample: well philly has 3qbs, their media say no one likes mcnabb in the city, teams a b c have no qbs...lets go with that

If that was true, Philly would have stomped these rumors awhile ago. They haven't.

They probably want these types of rumors because it could drive teams to compete for him, upping his trade value.

But if McNabb wasn't on the block, Philly wouldn't want the potential problems. I think Philly IS trying to deal him, thus I don't think it's all hearsay by talking heads, as the previous poster theorized.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'm hoping the Bills offer pick 41 and be done with it. If there is a bidding war, i'd be willing to part ways with 41 and donte whitner.

Do you really think McNabb will help this team to the promise land in the end. I think they are better off keeping the pick in the end and having a crap year this year and get one of the 3 nice looking QB's from next years draft. Build that OL this year. McNabb is not going to sign an extension with any team other than Arizona or Minnesota in the end. A year from now he can see that Leinart might suck and that Brett will finally retire and he might have his choice of a prime job where he will be paid no matter what. And why I agree with Mayock's thought process. So are you giving up pick 41 for one year of McNabb. Even though I dont see him leading the Bills to the playoffs in the next 3 to 4 years in the end. Waste of pick and money in the end for any team that has struggled lately.

Obviously the only way i'd do the trade is if he agreed to an extension.

If he signs an extension he would be worth trading a pick for.I just look at some of the turnarounds by bad teams when they add a QB:Atlanta, 4-12, add Matt Ryan and go 11-5.Baltimore, 5-11 add Joe Flacco and go 11-5.NO Saints 3-13, add Drew Brees and go 10-6.NY Jets 4-12, add Brett Favre and go 9-7.

Where all of these franchises except maybe NO, pretty good clubs before the one bad year. I dont think Buffalo who has been bad for years fits into this equation. How did KC do last year with adding Cassell. How about Detroit with Stafford. Chicago with Cutler. For every success story as above there is a non success story in the end. It usually takes teams with a few losing seasons a few years to fill out the holes they have. QB is just the first step

Here goes the previous three seasons for the teams (* denotes playoffs):Atl (4-12, 7-9, 8-8)Bal (5-11, 13-3*, 6-10)NO (3-13, 8-8, 8-8)NyJ (4-12, 10-6*, 4-12)So that's 2 playoffs for those teams in 12 seasons. They weren't exactly doing well.Cassell blows. Stafford so so. Cutler overrated. Just adding any old QB won't turn it around, you need to add a good QB.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Basically this is all hearsay started by talking heads trying to stir something up or taking a whack at the obviousexample: well philly has 3qbs, their media say no one likes mcnabb in the city, teams a b c have no qbs...lets go with that

Hearsay, all except Andy Reid saying he fielding offers for his QBs. When does Andy Reid ever say he's taking offers for players?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm hoping the Bills offer pick 41 and be done with it. If there is a bidding war, i'd be willing to part ways with 41 and donte whitner.

Do you really think McNabb will help this team to the promise land in the end. I think they are better off keeping the pick in the end and having a crap year this year and get one of the 3 nice looking QB's from next years draft. Build that OL this year. McNabb is not going to sign an extension with any team other than Arizona or Minnesota in the end. A year from now he can see that Leinart might suck and that Brett will finally retire and he might have his choice of a prime job where he will be paid no matter what. And why I agree with Mayock's thought process. So are you giving up pick 41 for one year of McNabb. Even though I dont see him leading the Bills to the playoffs in the next 3 to 4 years in the end. Waste of pick and money in the end for any team that has struggled lately.

Obviously the only way i'd do the trade is if he agreed to an extension.

If he signs an extension he would be worth trading a pick for.I just look at some of the turnarounds by bad teams when they add a QB:Atlanta, 4-12, add Matt Ryan and go 11-5.Baltimore, 5-11 add Joe Flacco and go 11-5.NO Saints 3-13, add Drew Brees and go 10-6.NY Jets 4-12, add Brett Favre and go 9-7.

Where all of these franchises except maybe NO, pretty good clubs before the one bad year. I dont think Buffalo who has been bad for years fits into this equation. How did KC do last year with adding Cassell. How about Detroit with Stafford. Chicago with Cutler. For every success story as above there is a non success story in the end. It usually takes teams with a few losing seasons a few years to fill out the holes they have. QB is just the first step

Add in Miami who went from 1-15 to 11-5 after adding Pennington.And Crippler, that is pretty easy to say in hindsight. If someone like Buffalo were to add Mcnabb and do well next season when someone brings up that example 3 years from now, you'd probably be saying the same thing about them. "Oh, Buffalo was already pretty good, they had a solid defense, etc".If we could go back in time and ask you about any of those teams listed above in the season they did poorly, there's no way you'd say that any of them were were going to do as well as they did the following year.

 

[CaptainHook]

teams turn around all the time (and also have very down years after very successful years)

Why are people even suggesting that this can be attributed to the QB?

NYJ = Lose brett favre go to AFC championship game

But wait I thought he deserved credit for all the success??? Lol.

 

[FUBAR]

I'm hoping the Bills offer pick 41 and be done with it. If there is a bidding war, i'd be willing to part ways with 41 and donte whitner.

Do you really think McNabb will help this team to the promise land in the end. I think they are better off keeping the pick in the end and having a crap year this year and get one of the 3 nice looking QB's from next years draft. Build that OL this year. McNabb is not going to sign an extension with any team other than Arizona or Minnesota in the end. A year from now he can see that Leinart might suck and that Brett will finally retire and he might have his choice of a prime job where he will be paid no matter what. And why I agree with Mayock's thought process. So are you giving up pick 41 for one year of McNabb. Even though I dont see him leading the Bills to the playoffs in the next 3 to 4 years in the end. Waste of pick and money in the end for any team that has struggled lately.

Obviously the only way i'd do the trade is if he agreed to an extension.

If he signs an extension he would be worth trading a pick for.I just look at some of the turnarounds by bad teams when they add a QB:

Atlanta, 4-12, add Matt Ryan and go 11-5.

Baltimore, 5-11 add Joe Flacco and go 11-5.

NO Saints 3-13, add Drew Brees and go 10-6.

NY Jets 4-12, add Brett Favre and go 9-7.

Where all of these franchises except maybe NO, pretty good clubs before the one bad year. I dont think Buffalo who has been bad for years fits into this equation. How did KC do last year with adding Cassell. How about Detroit with Stafford. Chicago with Cutler. For every success story as above there is a non success story in the end. It usually takes teams with a few losing seasons a few years to fill out the holes they have. QB is just the first step

You're actually including Cassel and Stafford in your top 12? Cutler is arguable at least - but they lost Orton so that might be a wash.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Celek and mcoy on trade rumors (video)

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Favre still undecided: discussed Mcnabb to vikes rumor

 

[Routilla]

Why would any team give up a high draft pick for an aging QB that has not been able to win the SB with the weapons PHI has had over the last several years?

 

[Cassius]

Why would any team give up a high draft pick for an aging QB that has not been able to win the SB with the weapons PHI has had over the last several years?

Because there aren't 32 competent starting QB's in the entire galaxy and McNabb is a significant upgrade for many teams?

 

[Amused to Death]

Celek and mcoy on trade rumors (video)

Not exactly a ringing endorsement by McCoy, is it. Now that I play it back, Celek isn't exactly crying for McNabb to come back either. Seems to be a pattern with McNabb's teammates. Sure some have spoken up for him, but most don't. We all know about Mitchel & T.O., but recently Trotter was non-committal, Ike Reese hasn't had much good to say about him, Hugh Douglas the same. Runyan agreed with Fred Ex about the Super Bowl incident. Even DeSean Jackson didn't give him a strong vote of confidence. Not a great track record of support from his own locker room.I think Westbrook had his back and so did Weaver.

 

[unckeyherb]

Why would any team give up a high draft pick for an aging QB that has not been able to win the SB with the weapons PHI has had over the last several years?

When, apart from their 2004 super bowl season, would you say they had all these weapons you refer to? Put it this way, give me a season when they have had a healthy westbrook, a healthy line and 2 real wrs other than 2004. I'll wait.

 

[CaptainHook]

Why would any team give up a high draft pick for an aging QB that has not been able to win the SB with the weapons PHI has had over the last several years?

When, apart from their 2004 super bowl season, would you say they had all these weapons you refer to? Put it this way, give me a season when they have had a healthy westbrook, a healthy line and 2 real wrs other than 2004. I'll wait.

so now the question is when, other than 2004, did they have a team that trent dilfer would have won a super bowl with?

 

[Routilla]

Just saying I would not give up a first rounder for him. I'm sure Al Davis would disagree with me though.

 

[ChargersOH]

Why would any team give up a high draft pick for an aging QB that has not been able to win the SB with the weapons PHI has had over the last several years?

When, apart from their 2004 super bowl season, would you say they had all these weapons you refer to? Put it this way, give me a season when they have had a healthy westbrook, a healthy line and 2 real wrs other than 2004. I'll wait.

What does that matter? Manning won a super bowl with a fairly mediocre line. Look at the WRs Brady won his rings with. Philly has consistently seemed to have very good Ds, and Westbrook might be the most underrated player in the history of the game.Mcnabb has been very good, but it's safe to say he isn't a dominant QB a la Brady or Manning. Then again, who else is? I think the bigger problem for Mcnabb is he doesn't seem to be a bona fide leader, and Philly has proven they can plug most system QBs in and have similar success on offense. If Kolb has the same result as Mcnabb, is younger, and cheaper, then why keep Donovan?

 

[Cassius]

Just saying I would not give up a first rounder for him. I'm sure Al Davis would disagree with me though.

I don't think anyone seriously thinks the Eagles will get a 1st for McNabb, including the Eagles.

 

[unckeyherb]

Why would any team give up a high draft pick for an aging QB that has not been able to win the SB with the weapons PHI has had over the last several years?

When, apart from their 2004 super bowl season, would you say they had all these weapons you refer to? Put it this way, give me a season when they have had a healthy westbrook, a healthy line and 2 real wrs other than 2004. I'll wait.

What does that matter? Manning won a super bowl with a fairly mediocre line. Look at the WRs Brady won his rings with.

Fairly mediocre Line? Seriously? They rushed for almost 200 yards that game. Manning did nothing to win that game and he really had a crap game honestly (247, TD, Int) and comparing targets like Wayne, Harrison and Clark to Thrash, Pinkston, Fred Ex and LJ Smith it laughable. Do you consider Manning a choker because he threw a late, loss-clinching int in the last SB? Brady didn't win those games, Vinatierri did, but I digress and will give you both of these guys. First ballot HOFer's. The two examples that always get thrown out there, Payton and Brady. Fine, he's not as good as the two guys that are arguably in the top 5 all time.My question was in response to the post questioning how McNabb hasn't been able to win with all the 'weapons' philly has had, and again I ask, What weapons are you referring to?

 

[Chase Stuart]

I just look at some of the turnarounds by bad teams when they add a QB:Atlanta, 4-12, add Matt Ryan and go 11-5.Baltimore, 5-11 add Joe Flacco and go 11-5.NO Saints 3-13, add Drew Brees and go 10-6.NY Jets 4-12, add Brett Favre and go 9-7.

QBs, in general, are given way too much credit for wins and losses and turning teams around. I'm not even sure why Flacco's on your list -- he was pretty bad (ignoring the fact that he was a rookie) in '08; the Ravens won 11 games because of an awesome defense/running game. The Saints were coming off Katrina when they added Brees, in addition to Bush; they were not really a 3-13 team, they were 8-8 the year before. Same with the Jets, who suffered a ton of injuries and then added a lot of players (Kris Jenkins was a bigger addition than Favre in '08) and went 9-7 after going 10-6 two years earlier.The Bears (9-7 in '08, 7-9 last year) are an example going the other way; so are the Chiefs (going 4-12 after adding Matt Cassel). McNabb's a solid QB, and if a team has awful QB play, he can help. But no way it's more than 1 or 2 games (due to McNabb, at least).

 

[Snotbubbles]

I just look at some of the turnarounds by bad teams when they add a QB:Atlanta, 4-12, add Matt Ryan and go 11-5.Baltimore, 5-11 add Joe Flacco and go 11-5.NO Saints 3-13, add Drew Brees and go 10-6.NY Jets 4-12, add Brett Favre and go 9-7.

QBs, in general, are given way too much credit for wins and losses and turning teams around. I'm not even sure why Flacco's on your list -- he was pretty bad (ignoring the fact that he was a rookie) in '08; the Ravens won 11 games because of an awesome defense/running game. The Saints were coming off Katrina when they added Brees, in addition to Bush; they were not really a 3-13 team, they were 8-8 the year before. Same with the Jets, who suffered a ton of injuries and then added a lot of players (Kris Jenkins was a bigger addition than Favre in '08) and went 9-7 after going 10-6 two years earlier.The Bears (9-7 in '08, 7-9 last year) are an example going the other way; so are the Chiefs (going 4-12 after adding Matt Cassel). McNabb's a solid QB, and if a team has awful QB play, he can help. But no way it's more than 1 or 2 games (due to McNabb, at least).

One or two games is a HUGE swing for a team.

 

[Donsmith753]

I just look at some of the turnarounds by bad teams when they add a QB:Atlanta, 4-12, add Matt Ryan and go 11-5.Baltimore, 5-11 add Joe Flacco and go 11-5.NO Saints 3-13, add Drew Brees and go 10-6.NY Jets 4-12, add Brett Favre and go 9-7.

QBs, in general, are given way too much credit for wins and losses and turning teams around. I'm not even sure why Flacco's on your list -- he was pretty bad (ignoring the fact that he was a rookie) in '08; the Ravens won 11 games because of an awesome defense/running game. The Saints were coming off Katrina when they added Brees, in addition to Bush; they were not really a 3-13 team, they were 8-8 the year before. Same with the Jets, who suffered a ton of injuries and then added a lot of players (Kris Jenkins was a bigger addition than Favre in '08) and went 9-7 after going 10-6 two years earlier.The Bears (9-7 in '08, 7-9 last year) are an example going the other way; so are the Chiefs (going 4-12 after adding Matt Cassel). McNabb's a solid QB, and if a team has awful QB play, he can help. But no way it's more than 1 or 2 games (due to McNabb, at least).

One or two games is a HUGE swing for a team.

The Detroit Lions for example.

 

[jaisonline]

Why would any team give up a high draft pick for an aging QB that has not been able to win the SB with the weapons PHI has had over the last several years?

When, apart from their 2004 super bowl season, would you say they had all these weapons you refer to? Put it this way, give me a season when they have had a healthy westbrook, a healthy line and 2 real wrs other than 2004. I'll wait.

What does that matter? Manning won a super bowl with a fairly mediocre line. Look at the WRs Brady won his rings with. Philly has consistently seemed to have very good Ds, and Westbrook might be the most underrated player in the history of the game.Mcnabb has been very good, but it's safe to say he isn't a dominant QB a la Brady or Manning. Then again, who else is? I think the bigger problem for Mcnabb is he doesn't seem to be a bona fide leader, and Philly has proven they can plug most system QBs in and have similar success on offense. If Kolb has the same result as Mcnabb, is younger, and cheaper, then why keep Donovan?

I'm with ChargersOH and Routilla on this one.

 

[datonn]

I think the bigger problem for Mcnabb is he doesn't seem to be a bona fide leader, and Philly has proven they can plug most system QBs in and have similar success on offense. If Kolb has the same result as Mcnabb, is younger, and cheaper, then why keep Donovan?

Maybe this is the overly-obvious answer to that previous question...but what happens if Kolb has a defender tackle his knees or has his head driven into the turf during a sack?! Michael Vick going to lead the team to the Promised Land? The Eagles planning to sign a journeyman QB to come in and lead the team into January/February?I suppose if people still think that Michael Vick is that type of QB, that's fine. However, the big question is what happens if/when Kolb goes down. Might take a few seasons before it happens...might be like Tom Brady in 2008 and Kolb gets to play the first half of 2010 Game 1. At some point, however, it will happen (Kolb getting hurt). And if the Eagles think they are a team that can win now, they deal McNabb, and don't sign a quality QB2/3 to get Kolb (and Vick's?) back? The Cowboys, Giants and Redskins DEs and LBs and most of the NFC will smell blood in the water.

 

[JetMaxx]

I think the bigger problem for Mcnabb is he doesn't seem to be a bona fide leader, and Philly has proven they can plug most system QBs in and have similar success on offense. If Kolb has the same result as Mcnabb, is younger, and cheaper, then why keep Donovan?

Maybe this is the overly-obvious answer to that previous question...but what happens if Kolb has a defender tackle his knees or has his head driven into the turf during a sack?! Michael Vick going to lead the team to the Promised Land? The Eagles planning to sign a journeyman QB to come in and lead the team into January/February?I suppose if people still think that Michael Vick is that type of QB, that's fine. However, the big question is what happens if/when Kolb goes down. Might take a few seasons before it happens...might be like Tom Brady in 2008 and Kolb gets to play the first half of 2010 Game 1. At some point, however, it will happen (Kolb getting hurt). And if the Eagles think they are a team that can win now, they deal McNabb, and don't sign a quality QB2/3 to get Kolb (and Vick's?) back? The Cowboys, Giants and Redskins DEs and LBs and most of the NFC will smell blood in the water.

The same thing that would likely happen to the Vikes if Favre got hurt. Your point?

 

[Amused to Death]

Here's a link to a very good article regarding the Eagles current QB situation. Its written by Ray Didinger who is a Hall of Fame sports writer. He works for NFL Films and knows how to break down game film. IMO, he's the voice of reason when it comes to the Eagles. Everything from breaking down a great win to a devastating loss, R-Diddy is the guy you listen to.

http://www.csnphilly.com/03/24/10/Making-t...amp;feedID=2227

 

[Lehigh98]

I think the bigger problem for Mcnabb is he doesn't seem to be a bona fide leader, and Philly has proven they can plug most system QBs in and have similar success on offense. If Kolb has the same result as Mcnabb, is younger, and cheaper, then why keep Donovan?

Maybe this is the overly-obvious answer to that previous question...but what happens if Kolb has a defender tackle his knees or has his head driven into the turf during a sack?! Michael Vick going to lead the team to the Promised Land? The Eagles planning to sign a journeyman QB to come in and lead the team into January/February?I suppose if people still think that Michael Vick is that type of QB, that's fine. However, the big question is what happens if/when Kolb goes down. Might take a few seasons before it happens...might be like Tom Brady in 2008 and Kolb gets to play the first half of 2010 Game 1. At some point, however, it will happen (Kolb getting hurt). And if the Eagles think they are a team that can win now, they deal McNabb, and don't sign a quality QB2/3 to get Kolb (and Vick's?) back? The Cowboys, Giants and Redskins DEs and LBs and most of the NFC will smell blood in the water.

Huh? So what do you suggest? They sign McNabb and Kolb to expensive multiyear deals when neither wants to sign a deal to be a backup? Injuries are a part of the game, your scenario could happen to any QB. Do you think Michael Vick is significantly worse than the average NFL backup QB?

 

[B. Nugget]

I think the bigger problem for Mcnabb is he doesn't seem to be a bona fide leader, and Philly has proven they can plug most system QBs in and have similar success on offense. If Kolb has the same result as Mcnabb, is younger, and cheaper, then why keep Donovan?

Maybe this is the overly-obvious answer to that previous question...but what happens if Kolb has a defender tackle his knees or has his head driven into the turf during a sack?! Michael Vick going to lead the team to the Promised Land? The Eagles planning to sign a journeyman QB to come in and lead the team into January/February?I suppose if people still think that Michael Vick is that type of QB, that's fine. However, the big question is what happens if/when Kolb goes down. Might take a few seasons before it happens...might be like Tom Brady in 2008 and Kolb gets to play the first half of 2010 Game 1. At some point, however, it will happen (Kolb getting hurt). And if the Eagles think they are a team that can win now, they deal McNabb, and don't sign a quality QB2/3 to get Kolb (and Vick's?) back? The Cowboys, Giants and Redskins DEs and LBs and most of the NFC will smell blood in the water.

The same way the AFC smells blood in the water if Peyton goes down? That is a weak argument, very few teams have studs as their backup QB.

 

[datonn]

The same way the AFC smells blood in the water if Peyton goes down? That is a weak argument, very few teams have studs as their backup QB.

Honestly? It's a tactic I'm surprised more teams haven't used against teams like the Colts (Peyton Manning)...as he is the engine that makes that team run. 2-3 late-hit, personal foul penalties...in exchange for a slap on the wrist from Commissioner Goodell for 2-3 quarters from something named "Curtis Painter" or "Drew Willy" sounds like a pretty fair trade...for the defense. You take Manning out, and you've effectively stopped Manning, Wayne, Garcon, Collie, Gonzo, D. Clark, Addai/Brown... It was like watching what the Saints did to Brett Favre in the NFC Championship Game this year...only the officials decided to keep the flags in their pockets on 1-2 occasions. The cheap shots weren't enough to knock Favre out of the game! However, it was pretty obvious that by the fourth quarter, Favre wasn't right.If all the Eagles have is an inexperienced Kolb, Michael Vick, and a clipboard-jockey at QB3 in 2010, and Kolb goes down, you can kiss any stats you were hoping for out of Jackson, Maclin, Celek and McCoy goodbye. And kiss 3-4+ wins out of the Eagles goodbye too.

 

[B. Nugget]

The same way the AFC smells blood in the water if Peyton goes down? That is a weak argument, very few teams have studs as their backup QB.

Honestly? It's a tactic I'm surprised more teams haven't used against teams like the Colts (Peyton Manning)...as he is the engine that makes that team run. 2-3 late-hit, personal foul penalties...in exchange for a slap on the wrist from Commissioner Goodell for 2-3 quarters from something named "Curtis Painter" or "Drew Willy" sounds like a pretty fair trade...for the defense. You take Manning out, and you've effectively stopped Manning, Wayne, Garcon, Collie, Gonzo, D. Clark, Addai/Brown... It was like watching what the Saints did to Brett Favre in the NFC Championship Game this year...only the officials decided to keep the flags in their pockets on 1-2 occasions. The cheap shots weren't enough to knock Favre out of the game! However, it was pretty obvious that by the fourth quarter, Favre wasn't right.If all the Eagles have is an inexperienced Kolb, Michael Vick, and a clipboard-jockey at QB3 in 2010, and Kolb goes down, you can kiss any stats you were hoping for out of Jackson, Maclin, Celek and McCoy goodbye. And kiss 3-4+ wins out of the Eagles goodbye too.

Sure it affects all of the offensive skill players if the star QB goes down, but that isn't the point he was making. He was saying that they should keep McNabb because when/if Kolb gets hurt they don't have a capable back up. "Maybe this is the overly-obvious answer to that previous question...but what happens if Kolb has a defender tackle his knees or has his head driven into the turf during a sack?! Michael Vick going to lead the team to the Promised Land? The Eagles planning to sign a journeyman QB to come in and lead the team into January/February?"

 

[Snotbubbles]

I just look at some of the turnarounds by bad teams when they add a QB:Atlanta, 4-12, add Matt Ryan and go 11-5.Baltimore, 5-11 add Joe Flacco and go 11-5.NO Saints 3-13, add Drew Brees and go 10-6.NY Jets 4-12, add Brett Favre and go 9-7.

QBs, in general, are given way too much credit for wins and losses and turning teams around. I'm not even sure why Flacco's on your list -- he was pretty bad (ignoring the fact that he was a rookie) in '08; the Ravens won 11 games because of an awesome defense/running game. The Saints were coming off Katrina when they added Brees, in addition to Bush; they were not really a 3-13 team, they were 8-8 the year before. Same with the Jets, who suffered a ton of injuries and then added a lot of players (Kris Jenkins was a bigger addition than Favre in '08) and went 9-7 after going 10-6 two years earlier.The Bears (9-7 in '08, 7-9 last year) are an example going the other way; so are the Chiefs (going 4-12 after adding Matt Cassel). McNabb's a solid QB, and if a team has awful QB play, he can help. But no way it's more than 1 or 2 games (due to McNabb, at least).

One or two games is a HUGE swing for a team.

The Detroit Lions for example.

Your right. QBs don't matter. The Colts without Peyton Manning would have still been great this last decade.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Schefter is saying the Raiders are the "clear-cut favorites" to get McNabb. Poor Donavan, but good news for anyone holding a Raiders offensive player.

 

[Jason Wood]

Schefter is saying the Raiders are the "clear-cut favorites" to get McNabb. Poor Donavan, but good news for anyone holding a Raiders offensive player.

Makes sense in that they've proven willing to trade for players who don't want to be there, in the absence of a new contract, and are willing to overpay for players, to boot.I will be personally said to see McNabb go to the Raiders, if that in fact happens. Regardless of whether the Eagles feel it's time to move on, it would be a real shame to send him off to the equivalent of NFL Siberia after being such an important part of the Eagles best decade.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Schefter is saying the Raiders are the "clear-cut favorites" to get McNabb. Poor Donavan, but good news for anyone holding a Raiders offensive player.

Makes sense in that they've proven willing to trade for players who don't want to be there, in the absence of a new contract, and are willing to overpay for players, to boot.I will be personally said to see McNabb go to the Raiders, if that in fact happens. Regardless of whether the Eagles feel it's time to move on, it would be a real shame to send him off to the equivalent of NFL Siberia after being such an important part of the Eagles best decade.

I guess the question is, would they be Siberia if they had a real QB? They have some young WRs with talent, a nice TE, and a deep backfield. Maybe with McNabb they're only a couple of linemen from being a productive offense.

 

[gianmarco]

Schefter reporting that a deal involving Asomugha/37th pick for McNabb 90% complete.

 

[Nagle2998]

Here's a link to a very good article regarding the Eagles current QB situation. Its written by Ray Didinger who is a Hall of Fame sports writer. He works for NFL Films and knows how to break down game film. IMO, he's the voice of reason when it comes to the Eagles. Everything from breaking down a great win to a devastating loss, R-Diddy is the guy you listen to.

http://www.csnphilly.com/03/24/10/Making-t...amp;feedID=2227

I think Didinger is one of the best and knows almost everything there is to know about football but just like everyone else on WIP he is way to negative.

 

[Cassius]

Schefter reporting that a deal involving Asomugha/37th pick for McNabb 90% complete.

where'd he say this? not seeing it on twitter.

 

[Jason Wood]

Schefter is saying the Raiders are the "clear-cut favorites" to get McNabb. Poor Donavan, but good news for anyone holding a Raiders offensive player.

Makes sense in that they've proven willing to trade for players who don't want to be there, in the absence of a new contract, and are willing to overpay for players, to boot.I will be personally said to see McNabb go to the Raiders, if that in fact happens. Regardless of whether the Eagles feel it's time to move on, it would be a real shame to send him off to the equivalent of NFL Siberia after being such an important part of the Eagles best decade.

I guess the question is, would they be Siberia if they had a real QB? They have some young WRs with talent, a nice TE, and a deep backfield. Maybe with McNabb they're only a couple of linemen from being a productive offense.

Of course they would. They have a void at the top, and there's clearly a trickle down effect from there. Al Davis, as great as he once was, is clearly incapable of running an NFL franchise effectively now and should have given football operations away years ago. Now, would a healthy McNabb make them a more interesting story in 2010? Of course. But until Davis steps away, the Raiders won't have enough continuity, focus and discipline in how the team is built and managed to become a consistent winner IMHO.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Schefter is saying the Raiders are the "clear-cut favorites" to get McNabb. Poor Donavan, but good news for anyone holding a Raiders offensive player.

Makes sense in that they've proven willing to trade for players who don't want to be there, in the absence of a new contract, and are willing to overpay for players, to boot.I will be personally said to see McNabb go to the Raiders, if that in fact happens. Regardless of whether the Eagles feel it's time to move on, it would be a real shame to send him off to the equivalent of NFL Siberia after being such an important part of the Eagles best decade.

I guess the question is, would they be Siberia if they had a real QB? They have some young WRs with talent, a nice TE, and a deep backfield. Maybe with McNabb they're only a couple of linemen from being a productive offense.

Of course they would. They have a void at the top, and there's clearly a trickle down effect from there. Al Davis, as great as he once was, is clearly incapable of running an NFL franchise effectively now and should have given football operations away years ago. Now, would a healthy McNabb make them a more interesting story in 2010? Of course. But until Davis steps away, the Raiders won't have enough continuity, focus and discipline in how the team is built and managed to become a consistent winner IMHO.

I think Al is just grasping for one last shot at glory before moving toward the light.

 

[gianmarco]

Schefter reporting that a deal involving Asomugha/37th pick for McNabb 90% complete.

where'd he say this? not seeing it on twitter.

Buddy just called.....said he heard it on the radio.......no link or confirmation yet that I can see.

 

[This could be the year]

Schefter reporting that a deal involving Asomugha/37th pick for McNabb 90% complete.

where'd he say this? not seeing it on twitter.

This is the only thing I've seen.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...tes-for-mcnabb/

 

[cstu]

Schefter reporting that a deal involving Asomugha/37th pick for McNabb 90% complete.

I would say that no one is stupid enough to make that trade and then I remember Al Davis.