McNabb Trade Rumor du jour (1 Viewer)

[delusional]

philly FO pretty much dug themselves a hole where they are going to have to trade 5

As Mike Missanelli (97.5) put it, it will be hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point.

As much as it needs to happen, anyone else feel like a #5 trade isn't going to get done?

One can only hope

Jason, serious question....After the two blowouts to Dallas and the offseason we have had thus far, are we going to win the Super Bowl with McNabb next year?

Because it was his fault he wasn't able to block the D line, play defense, etc. He was freaking sacked 4 times and hit 5 times in the first game. Westbrook had 5 carries all game followed by McCoy & Weaver with one each. Forgot, McNabb draws up the plays.2nd game he was sacked 4 times, hit 9 freaking times. Had a total of....10 rushes this game with 6 of them being in the first half. Stop asking yourself are we going to win with McNabb. Ask yourself are we going to win with REID. The answer is no. What the media and sheep fans have been doing though is creating so much buzz with trade talk, then the FO coming out and saying they are taking offers, they HAVE to trade him now. He isn't going to want to play here, hell who would? The guy had a good season last year behind a craptacular o line and a inconsistent running game. Now people expect Kolb to be the next Aaron Rodgers? Why? Because he was a reach at where he was drafted and sat the bench for 3 years? If Kolb was drafted where he should have been ( 4th ) none of this #### would be happening but because the Eagles blew another high round draft pick, they are going to be pushing out a good qb for an unknown 27yr old. Face it. Reid still runs the ship, 10 years and he still hasnt gotten things right with balanced gameplay, clock management, etc, you think the eagles are going to all a sudden become this 50/50 team? No, its going to be the same old pass 10 straight plays, run it for a yard, pass the rest of the game, some vick at center ( who the #### is the center actually ? ) Cept going into this season they have alot more what ifs then they have before. Kolb should be ####### lucky to have the recievers & running backs that he is going to have.Call me a McNabb lover or what you want but I can see past unwarranted hate unlike alot of people.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Because it was his fault he wasn't able to block the D line, play defense, etc. He was freaking sacked 4 times and hit 5 times in the first game. Westbrook had 5 carries all game followed by McCoy & Weaver with one each. Forgot, McNabb draws up the plays.2nd game he was sacked 4 times, hit 9 freaking times. Had a total of....10 rushes this game with 6 of them being in the first half. Stop asking yourself are we going to win with McNabb. Ask yourself are we going to win with REID. The answer is no. What the media and sheep fans have been doing though is creating so much buzz with trade talk, then the FO coming out and saying they are taking offers, they HAVE to trade him now. He isn't going to want to play here, hell who would? The guy had a good season last year behind a craptacular o line and a inconsistent running game. Now people expect Kolb to be the next Aaron Rodgers? Why? Because he was a reach at where he was drafted and sat the bench for 3 years? If Kolb was drafted where he should have been ( 4th ) none of this #### would be happening but because the Eagles blew another high round draft pick, they are going to be pushing out a good qb for an unknown 27yr old. Face it. Reid still runs the ship, 10 years and he still hasnt gotten things right with balanced gameplay, clock management, etc, you think the eagles are going to all a sudden become this 50/50 team? No, its going to be the same old pass 10 straight plays, run it for a yard, pass the rest of the game, some vick at center ( who the #### is the center actually ? ) Cept going into this season they have alot more what ifs then they have before. Kolb should be ####### lucky to have the recievers & running backs that he is going to have.Call me a McNabb lover or what you want but I can see past unwarranted hate unlike alot of people.

I didn't make it past your first couple of sentences, because I could tell your post is irrelevant to the situation. McNabb WILL NOT be the QB for the Eagles in 2011. So the question should be, are the Eagles in position to win the Superbowl with McNabb in 2010. If the answer is no, then trade him, get something for him and bring in a new guy to have a learning year as the starter while the Eagles continue to rebuild the entire team. It doesn't matter why they lost to Dallas at the end of the year, they did. And those last couple of games was enough to show the entire world that this Eagles team has more hole than swiss cheese. Until they fill those holes with quality players THEY WILL NOT win a Superbowl and it doesn't matter who the QB will be. From the current offseason, it doesn't look like they filled any of the holes they have, in fact, they probably have even more holes now then when the offseason started. From the move they're making, it seems like they are using 2010 as a throw away year.

 

[boonesfarm4me]

well said snot couldnt agree more

 

[Darth Cheney]

Because it was his fault he wasn't able to block the D line, play defense, etc. He was freaking sacked 4 times and hit 5 times in the first game. Westbrook had 5 carries all game followed by McCoy & Weaver with one each. Forgot, McNabb draws up the plays.2nd game he was sacked 4 times, hit 9 freaking times. Had a total of....10 rushes this game with 6 of them being in the first half. Stop asking yourself are we going to win with McNabb. Ask yourself are we going to win with REID. The answer is no. What the media and sheep fans have been doing though is creating so much buzz with trade talk, then the FO coming out and saying they are taking offers, they HAVE to trade him now. He isn't going to want to play here, hell who would? The guy had a good season last year behind a craptacular o line and a inconsistent running game. Now people expect Kolb to be the next Aaron Rodgers? Why? Because he was a reach at where he was drafted and sat the bench for 3 years? If Kolb was drafted where he should have been ( 4th ) none of this #### would be happening but because the Eagles blew another high round draft pick, they are going to be pushing out a good qb for an unknown 27yr old. Face it. Reid still runs the ship, 10 years and he still hasnt gotten things right with balanced gameplay, clock management, etc, you think the eagles are going to all a sudden become this 50/50 team? No, its going to be the same old pass 10 straight plays, run it for a yard, pass the rest of the game, some vick at center ( who the #### is the center actually ? ) Cept going into this season they have alot more what ifs then they have before. Kolb should be ####### lucky to have the recievers & running backs that he is going to have.Call me a McNabb lover or what you want but I can see past unwarranted hate unlike alot of people.

I didn't make it past your first couple of sentences, because I could tell your post is irrelevant to the situation. McNabb WILL NOT be the QB for the Eagles in 2011. So the question should be, are the Eagles in position to win the Superbowl with McNabb in 2010. If the answer is no, then trade him, get something for him and bring in a new guy to have a learning year as the starter while the Eagles continue to rebuild the entire team. It doesn't matter why they lost to Dallas at the end of the year, they did. And those last couple of games was enough to show the entire world that this Eagles team has more hole than swiss cheese. Until they fill those holes with quality players THEY WILL NOT win a Superbowl and it doesn't matter who the QB will be. From the current offseason, it doesn't look like they filled any of the holes they have, in fact, they probably have even more holes now then when the offseason started. From the move they're making, it seems like they are using 2010 as a throw away year.

I agree with both of these. I'm a big McNabb guy who doesn't understand the hatred the 700 level rejects have for perhaps the greatest QB of the franchise. But, for the franchise going foreward....it's better to see what Kolb has now.

 

[Billy Bats]

Because it was his fault he wasn't able to block the D line, play defense, etc. He was freaking sacked 4 times and hit 5 times in the first game. Westbrook had 5 carries all game followed by McCoy & Weaver with one each. Forgot, McNabb draws up the plays.2nd game he was sacked 4 times, hit 9 freaking times. Had a total of....10 rushes this game with 6 of them being in the first half. Stop asking yourself are we going to win with McNabb. Ask yourself are we going to win with REID. The answer is no. What the media and sheep fans have been doing though is creating so much buzz with trade talk, then the FO coming out and saying they are taking offers, they HAVE to trade him now. He isn't going to want to play here, hell who would? The guy had a good season last year behind a craptacular o line and a inconsistent running game. Now people expect Kolb to be the next Aaron Rodgers? Why? Because he was a reach at where he was drafted and sat the bench for 3 years? If Kolb was drafted where he should have been ( 4th ) none of this #### would be happening but because the Eagles blew another high round draft pick, they are going to be pushing out a good qb for an unknown 27yr old. Face it. Reid still runs the ship, 10 years and he still hasnt gotten things right with balanced gameplay, clock management, etc, you think the eagles are going to all a sudden become this 50/50 team? No, its going to be the same old pass 10 straight plays, run it for a yard, pass the rest of the game, some vick at center ( who the #### is the center actually ? ) Cept going into this season they have alot more what ifs then they have before. Kolb should be ####### lucky to have the recievers & running backs that he is going to have.Call me a McNabb lover or what you want but I can see past unwarranted hate unlike alot of people.

I didn't make it past your first couple of sentences, because I could tell your post is irrelevant to the situation. McNabb WILL NOT be the QB for the Eagles in 2011. So the question should be, are the Eagles in position to win the Superbowl with McNabb in 2010. If the answer is no, then trade him, get something for him and bring in a new guy to have a learning year as the starter while the Eagles continue to rebuild the entire team. It doesn't matter why they lost to Dallas at the end of the year, they did. And those last couple of games was enough to show the entire world that this Eagles team has more hole than swiss cheese. Until they fill those holes with quality players THEY WILL NOT win a Superbowl and it doesn't matter who the QB will be. From the current offseason, it doesn't look like they filled any of the holes they have, in fact, they probably have even more holes now then when the offseason started. From the move they're making, it seems like they are using 2010 as a throw away year.

Goodposting snot, that was my point of the question to Jason. Delusional keeps hammering me with all this hate nonsense he seems to have an entirely wrong agenda. I just don't see the point of holding onto McNabb for one more year. We're not going to resign him, that's obvious, so why bother having him for a lame duck year on a team that won't challenge for a SB with him? Turn it completely over to Kolb and the younger guys and let them grow together.

 

[CaptainHook]

why are you convinced we wont win with reid? Has his continued success meant nothing to you? Why are you convinced we need a balanced attack?

Only in philadelphia could people look at a formula that has produced UNBELIEVABLY CONSISTENT SUCCESS and declare it a glaring failure.

Clock management is such a minor facet of the game and it's really reid's only deserved criticism. A smarter qb will take the clock management over(Something he probably kept expecting mcnabb to do).

And if Kolb isn't the answer, when do you want to find that out? Do you really want to let him go after this year and watch two more 9-7 seasons with mcnabb and then be left with absolutely no backup plan?

 

[dhockster]

why are you convinced we wont win with reid? Has his continued success meant nothing to you? Why are you convinced we need a balanced attack? Only in philadelphia could people look at a formula that has produced UNBELIEVABLY CONSISTENT SUCCESS and declare it a glaring failure.Clock management is such a minor facet of the game and it's really reid's only deserved criticism. A smarter qb will take the clock management over(Something he probably kept expecting mcnabb to do). And if Kolb isn't the answer, when do you want to find that out? Do you really want to let him go after this year and watch two more 9-7 seasons with mcnabb and then be left with absolutely no backup plan?

To your point, does anyone think that Payton Manning sits on the field waiting for the coach to tell him when to call timeout? The QB has a lot to do with the team's clock management by their overall game awareness. McNabb showed that maybe game awareness is not his strongest suit when he admitted that he did not know that regular season games could end in a tie. And I say that with the strongest appreciation for what McNabb has done for the Eagles (why do I feel I have to apologize for any criticism of McNabb lest I be branded a hater?).Reid has his faults, but I think the Eagles will still be a winning franchise when McNabb leaves. I look forward to finding that out.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

why are you convinced we wont win with reid? Has his continued success meant nothing to you? Why are you convinced we need a balanced attack?

Only in philadelphia could people look at a formula that has produced UNBELIEVABLY CONSISTENT SUCCESS and declare it a glaring failure.

Clock management is such a minor facet of the game and it's really reid's only deserved criticism. A smarter qb will take the clock management over(Something he probably kept expecting mcnabb to do).

And if Kolb isn't the answer, when do you want to find that out? Do you really want to let him go after this year and watch two more 9-7 seasons with mcnabb and then be left with absolutely no backup plan?

Sorry, you're dead wrong. The only thing you said right is that (some) criticism of Reid relates to clock management. I agree with that. Clock management, however, is a critical skill that winning teams need to have. You only need to look at the betting lines to see how many NFL games come down to a FG or less on the scoreboard at the end of a game. If you can't squeeze an additional one or two drives out of the final four minutes of a game you're trailing in, or take the ball into FG range with only :45 before halftime, then you're not going to be a championship caliber team. Having as poor of a mastery of this skill as the Eagles have demonstrated under Reid is at least comparable to if not greater than the difference between having a 90% accurate PK versus a 50% accurate PK. Over the course of a season that could mean a swing of 2 to 3 games, which is enormous for a team vying for a playoff spot in a competitive division. In the playoffs you WILL lose somewhere if you don't know how to do this.

And where do you think this "smarter QB" gets these clock management skills? Does Vince Lombardi reach down from heaven while they're in the sauna and touch their skull, giving them a magical Clock Management Revelation? Nope. This comes through practice, that is Andy Reid carving time out for reps in two-minute drills built to certain game situations. Reid has clearly never done this. God forbid he doesn't insert the 457th pass play into his playbook and actually decides to devote some time to developing some skills that will be used in almost every game his team plays, and multiple times in most of those.

This brings me to my next point, that clock management is "really reid's only deserved criticism". That's laughable. Clock management isn't even the largest criticism. Play-calling is. Reid has shown startlingly little understanding of the importance of a good running game and a balanced attack, even assuming that he's an afficionado of the pass-first WCO. His play-calling is ridiculously slanted towards the pass, making life tougher for a OL and a QB who are facing a defense that really doesn't have to hesitate to read a run play before they rush. It kills time of possession ratios and tires out the Philly defense.

Worse, I see no plan to it or particular philosophy behind it. Reid seems to call series of passing plays almost out of stubbornness. As the old saying goes, a sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Reid's play-calling is insane. That he's done all of this (and mostly gotten away with it!) for a decade with a QB whose accuracy is his weak spot and for the most part with a very poor WR corps is astounding. That Reid's gotten away with this for so long, however, doesn't mean that it's a good plan that is worth continuing.

 

[Darth Cheney]

why are you convinced we wont win with reid? Has his continued success meant nothing to you? Why are you convinced we need a balanced attack? Only in philadelphia could people look at a formula that has produced UNBELIEVABLY CONSISTENT SUCCESS and declare it a glaring failure.Clock management is such a minor facet of the game and it's really reid's only deserved criticism. A smarter qb will take the clock management over(Something he probably kept expecting mcnabb to do). And if Kolb isn't the answer, when do you want to find that out? Do you really want to let him go after this year and watch two more 9-7 seasons with mcnabb and then be left with absolutely no backup plan?

I don't think Reid adjusts his game calling very well. I think that Reid has traditionally undervalued positions in regards to talent acquisition (LB recently....WR for a number of years in his tenure). I think his clock and timeout management is horrible. I think that Reid's overall talent evaluation (particularly in regards to high round college talent), has been horrible. Finally, I think that Reid had a great deal of success when there was a lot of low hanging fruit in the NFC East. For a number of years, the Giants, Cowboys and Redskins were mediocre teams.

 

[G-King]

philly FO pretty much dug themselves a hole where they are going to have to trade 5

As Mike Missanelli (97.5) put it, it will be hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point.

As much as it needs to happen, anyone else feel like a #5 trade isn't going to get done?

NO. But I think some of you already know how I feel.

 

[Gold Standard]

You can have this pathetic display coming off a week in which he buried his receivers

After this game he had the nerve to tell reports that getting walloped back to back weeks by Dallas and going 10-6 was a good season. He actually started off by saying "I'm sorry we didn't go 16-0". For all the McNabb lovers out there, he wants out of this town just as much as most of the fan base wants him to go. If the defense was in a position to make a title run, I could understand the point in holding on, but unless you're watching the games in a stupor, they're at least 2 drafts away from making this defense respectable.

I agree that Reid warrants plenty of blame, and I hope McNabb dishes a huge dose of it when he leaves, but I don't want this guy leading my team anymore. I want a QB that can sling it and has a 1000 yd stare before big games, instead McNabb gives you passive agressive blame placing and air guitars

I'd rather go 7-9 with Kolb then one and done with #5

 

[G-King]

I would fleece OAK for anything they are willing to give up and their 2nd pick. As a Cowboys fan though I hope McNabb stays in Philly.

 

[Moniker]

I'd rather go 7-9 with Kolb then one and done with #5

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Gold Standard]

I'd rather go 7-9 with Kolb then one and done with #5

Be careful what you wish for.

That's easy for you to say as a fan of the team that won the Superbowl.

 

[Gold Standard]

I'd rather go 7-9 with Kolb then one and done with #5

Be careful what you wish for.

That's easy for you to say as a fan of the team that won the Superbowl.

 

[Moniker]

I'd rather go 7-9 with Kolb then one and done with #5

Be careful what you wish for.

That's easy for you to say as a fan of the team that won the Superbowl.

Yes, I've been a Saints fan since the 80's -- and trust me, it's hasn't been anywhere near all roses. I also live in Cleveland and root for the Browns.Like I said, be careful what you wish for.

 

[Bushead]

why are you convinced we wont win with reid? Has his continued success meant nothing to you? Why are you convinced we need a balanced attack?

Only in philadelphia could people look at a formula that has produced UNBELIEVABLY CONSISTENT SUCCESS and declare it a glaring failure.

Clock management is such a minor facet of the game and it's really reid's only deserved criticism. A smarter qb will take the clock management over(Something he probably kept expecting mcnabb to do).

And if Kolb isn't the answer, when do you want to find that out? Do you really want to let him go after this year and watch two more 9-7 seasons with mcnabb and then be left with absolutely no backup plan?

Sorry, you're dead wrong. The only thing you said right is that (some) criticism of Reid relates to clock management. I agree with that. Clock management, however, is a critical skill that winning teams need to have. You only need to look at the betting lines to see how many NFL games come down to a FG or less on the scoreboard at the end of a game. If you can't squeeze an additional one or two drives out of the final four minutes of a game you're trailing in, or take the ball into FG range with only :45 before halftime, then you're not going to be a championship caliber team. Having as poor of a mastery of this skill as the Eagles have demonstrated under Reid is at least comparable to if not greater than the difference between having a 90% accurate PK versus a 50% accurate PK. Over the course of a season that could mean a swing of 2 to 3 games, which is enormous for a team vying for a playoff spot in a competitive division. In the playoffs you WILL lose somewhere if you don't know how to do this.

And where do you think this "smarter QB" gets these clock management skills? Does Vince Lombardi reach down from heaven while they're in the sauna and touch their skull, giving them a magical Clock Management Revelation? Nope. This comes through practice, that is Andy Reid carving time out for reps in two-minute drills built to certain game situations. Reid has clearly never done this. God forbid he doesn't insert the 457th pass play into his playbook and actually decides to devote some time to developing some skills that will be used in almost every game his team plays, and multiple times in most of those.

This brings me to my next point, that clock management is "really reid's only deserved criticism". That's laughable. Clock management isn't even the largest criticism. Play-calling is. Reid has shown startlingly little understanding of the importance of a good running game and a balanced attack, even assuming that he's an afficionado of the pass-first WCO. His play-calling is ridiculously slanted towards the pass, making life tougher for a OL and a QB who are facing a defense that really doesn't have to hesitate to read a run play before they rush. It kills time of possession ratios and tires out the Philly defense.

Worse, I see no plan to it or particular philosophy behind it. Reid seems to call series of passing plays almost out of stubbornness. As the old saying goes, a sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Reid's play-calling is insane. That he's done all of this (and mostly gotten away with it!) for a decade with a QB whose accuracy is his weak spot and for the most part with a very poor WR corps is astounding. That Reid's gotten away with this for so long, however, doesn't mean that it's a good plan that is worth continuing.

I think you are overlooking part of the point Hook is making. You think Reid an idiot and his play calling, clock management, etc are horrible - yet year in and year out he wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs. No, he hasn't won the super bowl, but there are only 1 or 2 teams in the entire NFL that have been more consistant over the last decade. Think there is a chance that the shortcomings you believe Reid has are not nearly as significant as you seem to believe? Your arguement just doesn't add up. Bad coaches with an "insane" game plans just don't go out and accidentally win 10 or 11 games nearly every year for a decade.Do you seriously believe that Reid does not practice the 2 minute drill with his team? Really?

 

[TheFanatic]

why are you convinced we wont win with reid? Has his continued success meant nothing to you? Why are you convinced we need a balanced attack?

Only in philadelphia could people look at a formula that has produced UNBELIEVABLY CONSISTENT SUCCESS and declare it a glaring failure.

Clock management is such a minor facet of the game and it's really reid's only deserved criticism. A smarter qb will take the clock management over(Something he probably kept expecting mcnabb to do).

And if Kolb isn't the answer, when do you want to find that out? Do you really want to let him go after this year and watch two more 9-7 seasons with mcnabb and then be left with absolutely no backup plan?

Sorry, you're dead wrong. The only thing you said right is that (some) criticism of Reid relates to clock management. I agree with that. Clock management, however, is a critical skill that winning teams need to have. You only need to look at the betting lines to see how many NFL games come down to a FG or less on the scoreboard at the end of a game. If you can't squeeze an additional one or two drives out of the final four minutes of a game you're trailing in, or take the ball into FG range with only :45 before halftime, then you're not going to be a championship caliber team. Having as poor of a mastery of this skill as the Eagles have demonstrated under Reid is at least comparable to if not greater than the difference between having a 90% accurate PK versus a 50% accurate PK. Over the course of a season that could mean a swing of 2 to 3 games, which is enormous for a team vying for a playoff spot in a competitive division. In the playoffs you WILL lose somewhere if you don't know how to do this.

And where do you think this "smarter QB" gets these clock management skills? Does Vince Lombardi reach down from heaven while they're in the sauna and touch their skull, giving them a magical Clock Management Revelation? Nope. This comes through practice, that is Andy Reid carving time out for reps in two-minute drills built to certain game situations. Reid has clearly never done this. God forbid he doesn't insert the 457th pass play into his playbook and actually decides to devote some time to developing some skills that will be used in almost every game his team plays, and multiple times in most of those.

This brings me to my next point, that clock management is "really reid's only deserved criticism". That's laughable. Clock management isn't even the largest criticism. Play-calling is. Reid has shown startlingly little understanding of the importance of a good running game and a balanced attack, even assuming that he's an afficionado of the pass-first WCO. His play-calling is ridiculously slanted towards the pass, making life tougher for a OL and a QB who are facing a defense that really doesn't have to hesitate to read a run play before they rush. It kills time of possession ratios and tires out the Philly defense.

Worse, I see no plan to it or particular philosophy behind it. Reid seems to call series of passing plays almost out of stubbornness. As the old saying goes, a sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Reid's play-calling is insane. That he's done all of this (and mostly gotten away with it!) for a decade with a QB whose accuracy is his weak spot and for the most part with a very poor WR corps is astounding. That Reid's gotten away with this for so long, however, doesn't mean that it's a good plan that is worth continuing.

I think you are overlooking part of the point Hook is making. You think Reid an idiot and his play calling, clock management, etc are horrible - yet year in and year out he wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs. No, he hasn't won the super bowl, but there are only 1 or 2 teams in the entire NFL that have been more consistant over the last decade. Think there is a chance that the shortcomings you believe Reid has are not nearly as significant as you seem to believe? Your arguement just doesn't add up. Bad coaches with an "insane" game plans just don't go out and accidentally win 10 or 11 games nearly every year for a decade.Do you seriously believe that Reid does not practice the 2 minute drill with his team? Really?

Gotta love guys that think they know more than the coach of an NFL team. And we're not talking about Rich Kotite coaching the Jets here. We're talking Andy Reid who is one of the top coaches in the league on a team that has always had a good D, great QB, productive running game and horrendous WR's. That latter point seems more to do with the players at WR than Reid but why not blame him for that too. "Andy Ried is a bad play caller?" Bad enough to amass how many wins over the last 10 years?

 

[Jason Wood]

why are you convinced we wont win with reid? Has his continued success meant nothing to you? Why are you convinced we need a balanced attack?

Only in philadelphia could people look at a formula that has produced UNBELIEVABLY CONSISTENT SUCCESS and declare it a glaring failure.

Clock management is such a minor facet of the game and it's really reid's only deserved criticism. A smarter qb will take the clock management over(Something he probably kept expecting mcnabb to do).

And if Kolb isn't the answer, when do you want to find that out? Do you really want to let him go after this year and watch two more 9-7 seasons with mcnabb and then be left with absolutely no backup plan?

Sorry, you're dead wrong. The only thing you said right is that (some) criticism of Reid relates to clock management. I agree with that. Clock management, however, is a critical skill that winning teams need to have. You only need to look at the betting lines to see how many NFL games come down to a FG or less on the scoreboard at the end of a game. If you can't squeeze an additional one or two drives out of the final four minutes of a game you're trailing in, or take the ball into FG range with only :45 before halftime, then you're not going to be a championship caliber team. Having as poor of a mastery of this skill as the Eagles have demonstrated under Reid is at least comparable to if not greater than the difference between having a 90% accurate PK versus a 50% accurate PK. Over the course of a season that could mean a swing of 2 to 3 games, which is enormous for a team vying for a playoff spot in a competitive division. In the playoffs you WILL lose somewhere if you don't know how to do this.

And where do you think this "smarter QB" gets these clock management skills? Does Vince Lombardi reach down from heaven while they're in the sauna and touch their skull, giving them a magical Clock Management Revelation? Nope. This comes through practice, that is Andy Reid carving time out for reps in two-minute drills built to certain game situations. Reid has clearly never done this. God forbid he doesn't insert the 457th pass play into his playbook and actually decides to devote some time to developing some skills that will be used in almost every game his team plays, and multiple times in most of those.

This brings me to my next point, that clock management is "really reid's only deserved criticism". That's laughable. Clock management isn't even the largest criticism. Play-calling is. Reid has shown startlingly little understanding of the importance of a good running game and a balanced attack, even assuming that he's an afficionado of the pass-first WCO. His play-calling is ridiculously slanted towards the pass, making life tougher for a OL and a QB who are facing a defense that really doesn't have to hesitate to read a run play before they rush. It kills time of possession ratios and tires out the Philly defense.

Worse, I see no plan to it or particular philosophy behind it. Reid seems to call series of passing plays almost out of stubbornness. As the old saying goes, a sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Reid's play-calling is insane. That he's done all of this (and mostly gotten away with it!) for a decade with a QB whose accuracy is his weak spot and for the most part with a very poor WR corps is astounding. That Reid's gotten away with this for so long, however, doesn't mean that it's a good plan that is worth continuing.

I think you are overlooking part of the point Hook is making. You think Reid an idiot and his play calling, clock management, etc are horrible - yet year in and year out he wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs. No, he hasn't won the super bowl, but there are only 1 or 2 teams in the entire NFL that have been more consistant over the last decade. Think there is a chance that the shortcomings you believe Reid has are not nearly as significant as you seem to believe? Your arguement just doesn't add up. Bad coaches with an "insane" game plans just don't go out and accidentally win 10 or 11 games nearly every year for a decade.Do you seriously believe that Reid does not practice the 2 minute drill with his team? Really?

Gotta love guys that think they know more than the coach of an NFL team. And we're not talking about Rich Kotite coaching the Jets here. We're talking Andy Reid who is one of the top coaches in the league on a team that has always had a good D, great QB, productive running game and horrendous WR's. That latter point seems more to do with the players at WR than Reid but why not blame him for that too. "Andy Ried is a bad play caller?" Bad enough to amass how many wins over the last 10 years?

Drives me nuts too. You can criticize anyone, and Reid isn't perfect. But he's among the top three or four coaches in the league today and yet many Eagles fans act as if firing him is the real key to unlocking this team's SB chances. It's RIDICULOUS.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

why are you convinced we wont win with reid? Has his continued success meant nothing to you? Why are you convinced we need a balanced attack?

Only in philadelphia could people look at a formula that has produced UNBELIEVABLY CONSISTENT SUCCESS and declare it a glaring failure.

Clock management is such a minor facet of the game and it's really reid's only deserved criticism. A smarter qb will take the clock management over(Something he probably kept expecting mcnabb to do).

And if Kolb isn't the answer, when do you want to find that out? Do you really want to let him go after this year and watch two more 9-7 seasons with mcnabb and then be left with absolutely no backup plan?

Sorry, you're dead wrong. The only thing you said right is that (some) criticism of Reid relates to clock management. I agree with that. Clock management, however, is a critical skill that winning teams need to have. You only need to look at the betting lines to see how many NFL games come down to a FG or less on the scoreboard at the end of a game. If you can't squeeze an additional one or two drives out of the final four minutes of a game you're trailing in, or take the ball into FG range with only :45 before halftime, then you're not going to be a championship caliber team. Having as poor of a mastery of this skill as the Eagles have demonstrated under Reid is at least comparable to if not greater than the difference between having a 90% accurate PK versus a 50% accurate PK. Over the course of a season that could mean a swing of 2 to 3 games, which is enormous for a team vying for a playoff spot in a competitive division. In the playoffs you WILL lose somewhere if you don't know how to do this.

And where do you think this "smarter QB" gets these clock management skills? Does Vince Lombardi reach down from heaven while they're in the sauna and touch their skull, giving them a magical Clock Management Revelation? Nope. This comes through practice, that is Andy Reid carving time out for reps in two-minute drills built to certain game situations. Reid has clearly never done this. God forbid he doesn't insert the 457th pass play into his playbook and actually decides to devote some time to developing some skills that will be used in almost every game his team plays, and multiple times in most of those.

This brings me to my next point, that clock management is "really reid's only deserved criticism". That's laughable. Clock management isn't even the largest criticism. Play-calling is. Reid has shown startlingly little understanding of the importance of a good running game and a balanced attack, even assuming that he's an afficionado of the pass-first WCO. His play-calling is ridiculously slanted towards the pass, making life tougher for a OL and a QB who are facing a defense that really doesn't have to hesitate to read a run play before they rush. It kills time of possession ratios and tires out the Philly defense.

Worse, I see no plan to it or particular philosophy behind it. Reid seems to call series of passing plays almost out of stubbornness. As the old saying goes, a sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Reid's play-calling is insane. That he's done all of this (and mostly gotten away with it!) for a decade with a QB whose accuracy is his weak spot and for the most part with a very poor WR corps is astounding. That Reid's gotten away with this for so long, however, doesn't mean that it's a good plan that is worth continuing.

I think you are overlooking part of the point Hook is making. You think Reid an idiot and his play calling, clock management, etc are horrible - yet year in and year out he wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs. No, he hasn't won the super bowl, but there are only 1 or 2 teams in the entire NFL that have been more consistant over the last decade. Think there is a chance that the shortcomings you believe Reid has are not nearly as significant as you seem to believe? Your arguement just doesn't add up. Bad coaches with an "insane" game plans just don't go out and accidentally win 10 or 11 games nearly every year for a decade.Do you seriously believe that Reid does not practice the 2 minute drill with his team? Really?

He's had three playoff wins and only two seasons with 10+ wins since 2004 (44-35-1; 3-3), which BTW is around the time when the division began to improve with the arrival of Coughlin, Parcels and Gibbs. While I agree that he's overall a good coach and that he rarely if ever has a "bad" year, the fact is that a lot of his success (which is front-loaded in the first half of his career) coincided with a weak NFC East division. I also think that he has benefited from McNabb more than McNabb has benefitted from him. Reid is a crappy game day coach. Where he excels is team building and motivating. And yes, I do think that Reid does not practice the two-minute drill enough. It shows. It's not an uncommon problem, BTW. Both Gibbs and Zorn were criticized for much the same thing in Washington. When there's a lack of preparation on something like that, it shows up directly in the QB's play and handling of two-minute situations in games.

 

[domvin]

why are you convinced we wont win with reid? Has his continued success meant nothing to you? Why are you convinced we need a balanced attack?

Only in philadelphia could people look at a formula that has produced UNBELIEVABLY CONSISTENT SUCCESS and declare it a glaring failure.

Clock management is such a minor facet of the game and it's really reid's only deserved criticism. A smarter qb will take the clock management over(Something he probably kept expecting mcnabb to do).

And if Kolb isn't the answer, when do you want to find that out? Do you really want to let him go after this year and watch two more 9-7 seasons with mcnabb and then be left with absolutely no backup plan?

Sorry, you're dead wrong. The only thing you said right is that (some) criticism of Reid relates to clock management. I agree with that. Clock management, however, is a critical skill that winning teams need to have. You only need to look at the betting lines to see how many NFL games come down to a FG or less on the scoreboard at the end of a game. If you can't squeeze an additional one or two drives out of the final four minutes of a game you're trailing in, or take the ball into FG range with only :45 before halftime, then you're not going to be a championship caliber team. Having as poor of a mastery of this skill as the Eagles have demonstrated under Reid is at least comparable to if not greater than the difference between having a 90% accurate PK versus a 50% accurate PK. Over the course of a season that could mean a swing of 2 to 3 games, which is enormous for a team vying for a playoff spot in a competitive division. In the playoffs you WILL lose somewhere if you don't know how to do this.

And where do you think this "smarter QB" gets these clock management skills? Does Vince Lombardi reach down from heaven while they're in the sauna and touch their skull, giving them a magical Clock Management Revelation? Nope. This comes through practice, that is Andy Reid carving time out for reps in two-minute drills built to certain game situations. Reid has clearly never done this. God forbid he doesn't insert the 457th pass play into his playbook and actually decides to devote some time to developing some skills that will be used in almost every game his team plays, and multiple times in most of those.

This brings me to my next point, that clock management is "really reid's only deserved criticism". That's laughable. Clock management isn't even the largest criticism. Play-calling is. Reid has shown startlingly little understanding of the importance of a good running game and a balanced attack, even assuming that he's an afficionado of the pass-first WCO. His play-calling is ridiculously slanted towards the pass, making life tougher for a OL and a QB who are facing a defense that really doesn't have to hesitate to read a run play before they rush. It kills time of possession ratios and tires out the Philly defense.

Worse, I see no plan to it or particular philosophy behind it. Reid seems to call series of passing plays almost out of stubbornness. As the old saying goes, a sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Reid's play-calling is insane. That he's done all of this (and mostly gotten away with it!) for a decade with a QB whose accuracy is his weak spot and for the most part with a very poor WR corps is astounding. That Reid's gotten away with this for so long, however, doesn't mean that it's a good plan that is worth continuing.

I think you are overlooking part of the point Hook is making. You think Reid an idiot and his play calling, clock management, etc are horrible - yet year in and year out he wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs. No, he hasn't won the super bowl, but there are only 1 or 2 teams in the entire NFL that have been more consistant over the last decade. Think there is a chance that the shortcomings you believe Reid has are not nearly as significant as you seem to believe? Your arguement just doesn't add up. Bad coaches with an "insane" game plans just don't go out and accidentally win 10 or 11 games nearly every year for a decade.Do you seriously believe that Reid does not practice the 2 minute drill with his team? Really?

He's had three playoff wins and only two seasons with 10+ wins since 2004 (44-35-1; 3-3), which BTW is around the time when the division began to improve with the arrival of Coughlin, Parcels and Gibbs. While I agree that he's overall a good coach and that he rarely if ever has a "bad" year, the fact is that a lot of his success (which is front-loaded in the first half of his career) coincided with a weak NFC East division. I also think that he has benefited from McNabb more than McNabb has benefitted from him. Reid is a crappy game day coach. Where he excels is team building and motivating. And yes, I do think that Reid does not practice the two-minute drill enough. It shows. It's not an uncommon problem, BTW. Both Gibbs and Zorn were criticized for much the same thing in Washington. When there's a lack of preparation on something like that, it shows up directly in the QB's play and handling of two-minute situations in games.

Not an issue when you can go into a second overtime

 

[thriftyrocker]

Gotta love guys that think they know more than the coach of an NFL team. And we're not talking about Rich Kotite coaching the Jets here. We're talking Andy Reid who is one of the top coaches in the league on a team that has always had a good D, great QB, productive running game and horrendous WR's. That latter point seems more to do with the players at WR than Reid but why not blame him for that too. "Andy Ried is a bad play caller?" Bad enough to amass how many wins over the last 10 years?

From the numbing practice of listening to Philly sports radio for the whole Reid era, the consensus critique is that he is outstanding at game plans, player development, and locker room management, and he is mediocre to bad during the game. I don't think it's ridiculous to criticize Reid's play calling or time management. I am sure every Eagles fan - whether they are pro- or anti-Reid - can point to a half dozen or more scenarios where Reid's in game actions were terrible or cost the Eagles a chance to win. That doesn't make Reid a bad coach just like we can say Peyton Manning is not mobile and goes down on the first hint of contact and not imply Peyton is a bad QB. Also, one of Reid's finest moments was hiring Jim Johnson. Johnson created the D. It let Reid focus on other things.

 

[TheFanatic]

why are you convinced we wont win with reid? Has his continued success meant nothing to you? Why are you convinced we need a balanced attack?

Only in philadelphia could people look at a formula that has produced UNBELIEVABLY CONSISTENT SUCCESS and declare it a glaring failure.

Clock management is such a minor facet of the game and it's really reid's only deserved criticism. A smarter qb will take the clock management over(Something he probably kept expecting mcnabb to do).

And if Kolb isn't the answer, when do you want to find that out? Do you really want to let him go after this year and watch two more 9-7 seasons with mcnabb and then be left with absolutely no backup plan?

Sorry, you're dead wrong. The only thing you said right is that (some) criticism of Reid relates to clock management. I agree with that. Clock management, however, is a critical skill that winning teams need to have. You only need to look at the betting lines to see how many NFL games come down to a FG or less on the scoreboard at the end of a game. If you can't squeeze an additional one or two drives out of the final four minutes of a game you're trailing in, or take the ball into FG range with only :45 before halftime, then you're not going to be a championship caliber team. Having as poor of a mastery of this skill as the Eagles have demonstrated under Reid is at least comparable to if not greater than the difference between having a 90% accurate PK versus a 50% accurate PK. Over the course of a season that could mean a swing of 2 to 3 games, which is enormous for a team vying for a playoff spot in a competitive division. In the playoffs you WILL lose somewhere if you don't know how to do this.

And where do you think this "smarter QB" gets these clock management skills? Does Vince Lombardi reach down from heaven while they're in the sauna and touch their skull, giving them a magical Clock Management Revelation? Nope. This comes through practice, that is Andy Reid carving time out for reps in two-minute drills built to certain game situations. Reid has clearly never done this. God forbid he doesn't insert the 457th pass play into his playbook and actually decides to devote some time to developing some skills that will be used in almost every game his team plays, and multiple times in most of those.

This brings me to my next point, that clock management is "really reid's only deserved criticism". That's laughable. Clock management isn't even the largest criticism. Play-calling is. Reid has shown startlingly little understanding of the importance of a good running game and a balanced attack, even assuming that he's an afficionado of the pass-first WCO. His play-calling is ridiculously slanted towards the pass, making life tougher for a OL and a QB who are facing a defense that really doesn't have to hesitate to read a run play before they rush. It kills time of possession ratios and tires out the Philly defense.

Worse, I see no plan to it or particular philosophy behind it. Reid seems to call series of passing plays almost out of stubbornness. As the old saying goes, a sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Reid's play-calling is insane. That he's done all of this (and mostly gotten away with it!) for a decade with a QB whose accuracy is his weak spot and for the most part with a very poor WR corps is astounding. That Reid's gotten away with this for so long, however, doesn't mean that it's a good plan that is worth continuing.

I think you are overlooking part of the point Hook is making. You think Reid an idiot and his play calling, clock management, etc are horrible - yet year in and year out he wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs. No, he hasn't won the super bowl, but there are only 1 or 2 teams in the entire NFL that have been more consistant over the last decade. Think there is a chance that the shortcomings you believe Reid has are not nearly as significant as you seem to believe? Your arguement just doesn't add up. Bad coaches with an "insane" game plans just don't go out and accidentally win 10 or 11 games nearly every year for a decade.Do you seriously believe that Reid does not practice the 2 minute drill with his team? Really?

He's had three playoff wins and only two seasons with 10+ wins since 2004 (44-35-1; 3-3), which BTW is around the time when the division began to improve with the arrival of Coughlin, Parcels and Gibbs. While I agree that he's overall a good coach and that he rarely if ever has a "bad" year, the fact is that a lot of his success (which is front-loaded in the first half of his career) coincided with a weak NFC East division. I also think that he has benefited from McNabb more than McNabb has benefitted from him. Reid is a crappy game day coach. Where he excels is team building and motivating. And yes, I do think that Reid does not practice the two-minute drill enough. It shows. It's not an uncommon problem, BTW. Both Gibbs and Zorn were criticized for much the same thing in Washington. When there's a lack of preparation on something like that, it shows up directly in the QB's play and handling of two-minute situations in games.

You talk about his record as a HC in Philly as if it's a bad thing. This just in, his record is very good. He's a better coach than you are a fan by a long shot...

 

[dhockster]

He's had three playoff wins and only two seasons with 10+ wins since 2004 (44-35-1; 3-3), which BTW is around the time when the division began to improve with the arrival of Coughlin, Parcels and Gibbs. While I agree that he's overall a good coach and that he rarely if ever has a "bad" year, the fact is that a lot of his success (which is front-loaded in the first half of his career) coincided with a weak NFC East division. I also think that he has benefited from McNabb more than McNabb has benefitted from him. Reid is a crappy game day coach. Where he excels is team building and motivating. And yes, I do think that Reid does not practice the two-minute drill enough. It shows. It's not an uncommon problem, BTW. Both Gibbs and Zorn were criticized for much the same thing in Washington. When there's a lack of preparation on something like that, it shows up directly in the QB's play and handling of two-minute situations in games.

You talk about his record as a HC in Philly as if it's a bad thing. This just in, his record is very good. He's a better coach than you are a fan by a long shot...

Cheap Shot..... But well played, sir

 

[S.K.A.]

I would fleece OAK for anything they are willing to give up and their 2nd pick. As a Cowboys fan though I hope McNabb stays in Philly.

I'd try and get two first rounders for him, like Joey Galloway or Roy Williams.

 

[G-King]

I would fleece OAK for anything they are willing to give up and their 2nd pick. As a Cowboys fan though I hope McNabb stays in Philly.

I'd try and get two first rounders for him, like Joey Galloway or Roy Williams.

OUCH...... funny, but ouch.

ETA: I guess I forgot to BOLD the part I was referring to?

 

[Liquid Tension]

Because it was his fault he wasn't able to block the D line, play defense, etc. He was freaking sacked 4 times and hit 5 times in the first game. Westbrook had 5 carries all game followed by McCoy & Weaver with one each. Forgot, McNabb draws up the plays.2nd game he was sacked 4 times, hit 9 freaking times. Had a total of....10 rushes this game with 6 of them being in the first half. Stop asking yourself are we going to win with McNabb. Ask yourself are we going to win with REID. The answer is no. What the media and sheep fans have been doing though is creating so much buzz with trade talk, then the FO coming out and saying they are taking offers, they HAVE to trade him now. He isn't going to want to play here, hell who would? The guy had a good season last year behind a craptacular o line and a inconsistent running game. Now people expect Kolb to be the next Aaron Rodgers? Why? Because he was a reach at where he was drafted and sat the bench for 3 years? If Kolb was drafted where he should have been ( 4th ) none of this #### would be happening but because the Eagles blew another high round draft pick, they are going to be pushing out a good qb for an unknown 27yr old. Face it. Reid still runs the ship, 10 years and he still hasnt gotten things right with balanced gameplay, clock management, etc, you think the eagles are going to all a sudden become this 50/50 team? No, its going to be the same old pass 10 straight plays, run it for a yard, pass the rest of the game, some vick at center ( who the #### is the center actually ? ) Cept going into this season they have alot more what ifs then they have before. Kolb should be ####### lucky to have the recievers & running backs that he is going to have.Call me a McNabb lover or what you want but I can see past unwarranted hate unlike alot of people.

This is really funny coming from a team that has been enormously successful over Reids watch... that being said Mcnabb is not the problem either

 

[Liquid Tension]

why are you convinced we wont win with reid? Has his continued success meant nothing to you? Why are you convinced we need a balanced attack?

Only in philadelphia could people look at a formula that has produced UNBELIEVABLY CONSISTENT SUCCESS and declare it a glaring failure.

Clock management is such a minor facet of the game and it's really reid's only deserved criticism. A smarter qb will take the clock management over(Something he probably kept expecting mcnabb to do).

And if Kolb isn't the answer, when do you want to find that out? Do you really want to let him go after this year and watch two more 9-7 seasons with mcnabb and then be left with absolutely no backup plan?

Sorry, you're dead wrong. The only thing you said right is that (some) criticism of Reid relates to clock management. I agree with that. Clock management, however, is a critical skill that winning teams need to have. You only need to look at the betting lines to see how many NFL games come down to a FG or less on the scoreboard at the end of a game. If you can't squeeze an additional one or two drives out of the final four minutes of a game you're trailing in, or take the ball into FG range with only :45 before halftime, then you're not going to be a championship caliber team. Having as poor of a mastery of this skill as the Eagles have demonstrated under Reid is at least comparable to if not greater than the difference between having a 90% accurate PK versus a 50% accurate PK. Over the course of a season that could mean a swing of 2 to 3 games, which is enormous for a team vying for a playoff spot in a competitive division. In the playoffs you WILL lose somewhere if you don't know how to do this.

And where do you think this "smarter QB" gets these clock management skills? Does Vince Lombardi reach down from heaven while they're in the sauna and touch their skull, giving them a magical Clock Management Revelation? Nope. This comes through practice, that is Andy Reid carving time out for reps in two-minute drills built to certain game situations. Reid has clearly never done this. God forbid he doesn't insert the 457th pass play into his playbook and actually decides to devote some time to developing some skills that will be used in almost every game his team plays, and multiple times in most of those.

This brings me to my next point, that clock management is "really reid's only deserved criticism". That's laughable. Clock management isn't even the largest criticism. Play-calling is. Reid has shown startlingly little understanding of the importance of a good running game and a balanced attack, even assuming that he's an afficionado of the pass-first WCO. His play-calling is ridiculously slanted towards the pass, making life tougher for a OL and a QB who are facing a defense that really doesn't have to hesitate to read a run play before they rush. It kills time of possession ratios and tires out the Philly defense.

Worse, I see no plan to it or particular philosophy behind it. Reid seems to call series of passing plays almost out of stubbornness. As the old saying goes, a sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Reid's play-calling is insane. That he's done all of this (and mostly gotten away with it!) for a decade with a QB whose accuracy is his weak spot and for the most part with a very poor WR corps is astounding. That Reid's gotten away with this for so long, however, doesn't mean that it's a good plan that is worth continuing.

I think you are overlooking part of the point Hook is making. You think Reid an idiot and his play calling, clock management, etc are horrible - yet year in and year out he wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs. No, he hasn't won the super bowl, but there are only 1 or 2 teams in the entire NFL that have been more consistant over the last decade. Think there is a chance that the shortcomings you believe Reid has are not nearly as significant as you seem to believe? Your arguement just doesn't add up. Bad coaches with an "insane" game plans just don't go out and accidentally win 10 or 11 games nearly every year for a decade.Do you seriously believe that Reid does not practice the 2 minute drill with his team? Really?

Could be the only Eagle fan with perspective. BTW, I am not saying trading McNabb is a bad move if you get yourself a 2nd round pick, but you better hope Kolb is an average starting QB at worst. Also, don't the Eagles have a lot of 3rd round picks? they have not mortgaged the future.

 

[delusional]

Yea but the thing is who are they going to get with those 3rd round picks. Eagles have made many of WTF moments on some guys they drafted.

3rd round picks since 05

Moats

Gocong ( drafted as LB having never played the position )

Bradley ( good look here, see how well he responds to the injury )

Hunt

Bryan Smith

If they package some 3rd rounders to get a 2nd then

Matt McCoy

Reggie Brown

Justice ( had one good season last year )

Abiamiri ( just a guy )

Laws ( won't be surprised if he gets cut )

Jackson ( best pick overall in a long time

Kolb ( drafted way to high imho )

So if they go into this draft the same way they been handling the 3 QB situation this offseason then..eh...nailbiter

 

[Mighty Mice]

He's had three playoff wins and only two seasons with 10+ wins since 2004 (44-35-1; 3-3), which BTW is around the time when the division began to improve with the arrival of Coughlin, Parcels and Gibbs. While I agree that he's overall a good coach and that he rarely if ever has a "bad" year, the fact is that a lot of his success (which is front-loaded in the first half of his career) coincided with a weak NFC East division.

Stats are funny, though, because I see a coach with a .603 winning percentage over the last 4 years (38-25-1) and has put his team in the playoffs 3 of those 4 years.

I don't know how else to see it. He has his flaws, but overall he's been pretty good for a decade. Last year he went 11-5 with a new defensive coordinator and a boatload of injuries.

 

[unckeyherb]

I think you are overlooking part of the point Hook is making. You think Reid an idiot and his play calling, clock management, etc are horrible - yet year in and year out he wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs. No, he hasn't won the super bowl, but there are only 1 or 2 teams in the entire NFL that have been more consistant over the last decade.

I don't get this. Why does Reid get let off the hook for not winning a Super Bowl? Why is ok that he, "year in and year out wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs" and when you say the exact same thing about McNabb, he's a choker that can't win the big one? You shrug off the fact that he hasn't won a super bowl and site the team's consistent success as an acceptable substitution. But according to everyone I hear from on the radio, in a bar, on this site, etc, regarding McNabb, it is unacceptable that he has not won a SB yet and most people would rather have a series of losing seasons if there was a ring in there one year. Its this kind of double standard that I always hear the drives me nuts. I know Reid's here for a few more years and this is all a moot point, but the exact argument I use in support of McNabb (that typically no one buys), is the same argument that everyone states for Reid with no problem.Frustrating.

 

[Nagle2998]

Yea but the thing is who are they going to get with those 3rd round picks. Eagles have made many of WTF moments on some guys they drafted. 3rd round picks since 05MoatsGocong ( drafted as LB having never played the position ) Bradley ( good look here, see how well he responds to the injury ) HuntBryan SmithIf they package some 3rd rounders to get a 2nd thenMatt McCoyReggie BrownJustice ( had one good season last year ) Abiamiri ( just a guy )Laws ( won't be surprised if he gets cut ) Jackson ( best pick overall in a long timeKolb ( drafted way to high imho )So if they go into this draft the same way they been handling the 3 QB situation this offseason then..eh...nailbiter

Do you really believe the Eagles are a bad drafting teams because every team over the last 10 years has made a bunch of mistake but the Eagles have been a good not great drafting team who has gotten better the last few years. Also even though the 2nd and 3rd rounders haven't been great the 4th and 5th round have been so lets just trade all the picks for 4th and 5th rounder.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I think you are overlooking part of the point Hook is making. You think Reid an idiot and his play calling, clock management, etc are horrible - yet year in and year out he wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs. No, he hasn't won the super bowl, but there are only 1 or 2 teams in the entire NFL that have been more consistant over the last decade.

I don't get this. Why does Reid get let off the hook for not winning a Super Bowl? Why is ok that he, "year in and year out wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs" and when you say the exact same thing about McNabb, he's a choker that can't win the big one? You shrug off the fact that he hasn't won a super bowl and site the team's consistent success as an acceptable substitution. But according to everyone I hear from on the radio, in a bar, on this site, etc, regarding McNabb, it is unacceptable that he has not won a SB yet and most people would rather have a series of losing seasons if there was a ring in there one year. Its this kind of double standard that I always hear the drives me nuts. I know Reid's here for a few more years and this is all a moot point, but the exact argument I use in support of McNabb (that typically no one buys), is the same argument that everyone states for Reid with no problem.Frustrating.

While I'm not necessarily agreeing with Bushead's point (I think the whole "choking" thing for QBs is way overblown), I really think it's hard for there to be such a thing as a coach that chokes (Schottenheimer and Dungy, I feel for you). "Choking" is generally referring to someone panicking in the heat of the moment with everything on the line. I think we've all been there before when we're growing up. You can shoot free throws outside all day long, but when you do it in a game in a key situation and everyone is watching you, something just doesn't feel right. Your arms feel weird, you don't feel comfortable, and you shoot differently than normal.But for a coach, they're not really in that situation. Everything is happening slowly for them on the sidelines, there's nothing physical that they have to do. I think for a coach your goal is to make your team consistently good, but you have much less control over the outcome of an individual game than a quarterback.It's kind of like the luck vs. skill argument in fantasy football (though to a lesser extent really). "Skilled" players in fantasy football are the people who consistently bring a competitive team to the mix and show up in the playoffs. From there you have to just kind of let luck and statistics carry you a bit. If you make the playoffs consistently eventually things will fall your way in that crazy 3 game stretch where anything can happen.

 

[Jedimaster21]

I think you are overlooking part of the point Hook is making. You think Reid an idiot and his play calling, clock management, etc are horrible - yet year in and year out he wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs. No, he hasn't won the super bowl, but there are only 1 or 2 teams in the entire NFL that have been more consistant over the last decade.

I don't get this. Why does Reid get let off the hook for not winning a Super Bowl? Why is ok that he, "year in and year out wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs" and when you say the exact same thing about McNabb, he's a choker that can't win the big one? You shrug off the fact that he hasn't won a super bowl and site the team's consistent success as an acceptable substitution. But according to everyone I hear from on the radio, in a bar, on this site, etc, regarding McNabb, it is unacceptable that he has not won a SB yet and most people would rather have a series of losing seasons if there was a ring in there one year. Its this kind of double standard that I always hear the drives me nuts. I know Reid's here for a few more years and this is all a moot point, but the exact argument I use in support of McNabb (that typically no one buys), is the same argument that everyone states for Reid with no problem.Frustrating.

People thought the same thing about Bill Cowher until he won the big one. He was tremendously successful for a decade, and had been to one superbowl and lost. Reid has consistently won games, hires good coaches, and has completely changed over the roster a few times...and yet he has only had 2 losing seasons in over a decade. Simmer down and respect the fact that your team has one of the best coaches in the league. They will win one eventually, and Reid will do it.

 

[This could be the year]

But according to everyone I hear from on the radio, in a bar, on this site, etc, regarding McNabb, it is unacceptable that he has not won a SB yet and most people would rather have a series of losing seasons if there was a ring in there one year.

I totally disagree. The Bucs won a Superbowl in 2003. That season was surrounded by a good number of mediocre (at best) seasons. I'm a Bucs fan and don't think that's any better then what the Eagles have accomplished.

 

[Pickle Rody]

People thought the same thing about Bill Cowher until he won the big one. He was tremendously successful for a decade, and had been to one superbowl and lost.

Reid has consistently won games, hires good coaches, and has completely changed over the roster a few times...and yet he has only had 2 losing seasons in over a decade. Simmer down and respect the fact that your team has one of the best coaches in the league. They will win one eventually, and Reid will do it.

I was going to mention Cowher's tenure as HC earlier, but then I chose not to. I have come to realize his name/tenure has been brought up before in regards to the similarity to Reid's tenure (maybe not in this thread, but surely the Eagles threads) and it just seems that most Eagles fans who are helluva bent to show Reid the door don't really care to hear about Cowher (and patience) because it makes too much sense.

I know Reid has faults and I've mentioned them here in the SP before. All HC's have faults. Most of the coaches in the NFL today will never come close to Reid's success....ever.

I think the the blame for the Eagles failure to win the Super Bowl so far during Reid's tenure cannot be leveled solely & squarely on Reid's shoulders, nor on McNabb's shoulders. There is blame to go around for more than those two.

Okay then.......

back to thoughtful speculation about where McNabb will end up..........

 

[Bushead]

I think you are overlooking part of the point Hook is making. You think Reid an idiot and his play calling, clock management, etc are horrible - yet year in and year out he wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs. No, he hasn't won the super bowl, but there are only 1 or 2 teams in the entire NFL that have been more consistant over the last decade.

I don't get this. Why does Reid get let off the hook for not winning a Super Bowl? Why is ok that he, "year in and year out wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs" and when you say the exact same thing about McNabb, he's a choker that can't win the big one? You shrug off the fact that he hasn't won a super bowl and site the team's consistent success as an acceptable substitution. But according to everyone I hear from on the radio, in a bar, on this site, etc, regarding McNabb, it is unacceptable that he has not won a SB yet and most people would rather have a series of losing seasons if there was a ring in there one year. Its this kind of double standard that I always hear the drives me nuts. I know Reid's here for a few more years and this is all a moot point, but the exact argument I use in support of McNabb (that typically no one buys), is the same argument that everyone states for Reid with no problem.Frustrating.

whoa man. I think you have the wrong guy here. I did not suggest anywhere that McNabb is a choker, nor do I even think they should get rid of him. I understand if they do end up doing it for a good return, but I actually think if a 3rd round pick is all thats on the table they should consider trading Kolb, resign McNabb and draft a new prospect. Anyway, Reid and McNabb have together brought a ton of success to Philly and I appreciate that. Statistically there is little to suggest either has lost anything or on the decline - they have broken the team offensive record in each of the past two years. I love the fact we are in the mix at the end of every year and I think people are jumping the gun to want to break up this combination. I haven't been as tormented as most seem to have been during the last 10 years. The Birds have been as exciting to watch as ever, sometimes frustrating but overall a great team to be a fan of.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Yea but the thing is who are they going to get with those 3rd round picks. Eagles have made many of WTF moments on some guys they drafted. 3rd round picks since 05MoatsGocong ( drafted as LB having never played the position ) Bradley ( good look here, see how well he responds to the injury ) HuntBryan SmithIf they package some 3rd rounders to get a 2nd thenMatt McCoyReggie BrownJustice ( had one good season last year ) Abiamiri ( just a guy )Laws ( won't be surprised if he gets cut ) Jackson ( best pick overall in a long timeKolb ( drafted way to high imho )So if they go into this draft the same way they been handling the 3 QB situation this offseason then..eh...nailbiter

Do you really believe the Eagles are a bad drafting teams because every team over the last 10 years has made a bunch of mistake but the Eagles have been a good not great drafting team who has gotten better the last few years. Also even though the 2nd and 3rd rounders haven't been great the 4th and 5th round have been so lets just trade all the picks for 4th and 5th rounder.

I think that Reid is at best an average evaluator of elite talent....2009 Maclin (Who knows) 2008 No pick traded to CAR (was Jeff Otah)2007 No pick traded to DAL (part of the Kolb trade)2006 Brodrick Bunkley (meh)2005 Mike Patterson (meh)2004 Shawn Andrews (don't know what happened to him)2003 Jerome McDougle (has done nothing)2002 Lito Sheppard ( good pick and part of his most successful draft) 2001 Freddie Mitchell ( Nothing....Reggie Wayne drafted 5 picks later) 2000 Corey Simon ( drafted a positional need....average player)1999 McNabb ( the best of the QB lot)

 

[Snotbubbles]

Do you really believe the Eagles are a bad drafting teams because every team over the last 10 years has made a bunch of mistake but the Eagles have been a good not great drafting team who has gotten better the last few years. Also even though the 2nd and 3rd rounders haven't been great the 4th and 5th round have been so lets just trade all the picks for 4th and 5th rounder.

According to these guys, the Eagles are #2 in drafting over the past 5 years.Draft Rankings Last 5 Years

 

[Darth Cheney]

Do you really believe the Eagles are a bad drafting teams because every team over the last 10 years has made a bunch of mistake but the Eagles have been a good not great drafting team who has gotten better the last few years. Also even though the 2nd and 3rd rounders haven't been great the 4th and 5th round have been so lets just trade all the picks for 4th and 5th rounder.

According to these guys, the Eagles are #2 in drafting over the past 5 years.Draft Rankings Last 5 Years

Imagine the team they'd have if he had a clue about first round picks.

 

[unckeyherb]

But according to everyone I hear from on the radio, in a bar, on this site, etc, regarding McNabb, it is unacceptable that he has not won a SB yet and most people would rather have a series of losing seasons if there was a ring in there one year.

I totally disagree. The Bucs won a Superbowl in 2003. That season was surrounded by a good number of mediocre (at best) seasons. I'm a Bucs fan and don't think that's any better then what the Eagles have accomplished.

I agree with you, but when given the choice of:ten years of consistent playoff caliber teams with no Ring. or...ten years of crap play with a ring sandwiched in between,I'd say 75-85% or the callers (and hosts) to sports radio here in Philly go with option two. Makes no sense to me.

 

[unckeyherb]

I think you are overlooking part of the point Hook is making. You think Reid an idiot and his play calling, clock management, etc are horrible - yet year in and year out he wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs. No, he hasn't won the super bowl, but there are only 1 or 2 teams in the entire NFL that have been more consistant over the last decade.

I don't get this. Why does Reid get let off the hook for not winning a Super Bowl? Why is ok that he, "year in and year out wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs" and when you say the exact same thing about McNabb, he's a choker that can't win the big one? You shrug off the fact that he hasn't won a super bowl and site the team's consistent success as an acceptable substitution. But according to everyone I hear from on the radio, in a bar, on this site, etc, regarding McNabb, it is unacceptable that he has not won a SB yet and most people would rather have a series of losing seasons if there was a ring in there one year. Its this kind of double standard that I always hear the drives me nuts. I know Reid's here for a few more years and this is all a moot point, but the exact argument I use in support of McNabb (that typically no one buys), is the same argument that everyone states for Reid with no problem.Frustrating.

While I'm not necessarily agreeing with Bushead's point (I think the whole "choking" thing for QBs is way overblown), I really think it's hard for there to be such a thing as a coach that chokes (Schottenheimer and Dungy, I feel for you). "Choking" is generally referring to someone panicking in the heat of the moment with everything on the line. I think we've all been there before when we're growing up. You can shoot free throws outside all day long, but when you do it in a game in a key situation and everyone is watching you, something just doesn't feel right. Your arms feel weird, you don't feel comfortable, and you shoot differently than normal.But for a coach, they're not really in that situation. Everything is happening slowly for them on the sidelines, there's nothing physical that they have to do. I think for a coach your goal is to make your team consistently good, but you have much less control over the outcome of an individual game than a quarterback.It's kind of like the luck vs. skill argument in fantasy football (though to a lesser extent really). "Skilled" players in fantasy football are the people who consistently bring a competitive team to the mix and show up in the playoffs. From there you have to just kind of let luck and statistics carry you a bit. If you make the playoffs consistently eventually things will fall your way in that crazy 3 game stretch where anything can happen.

I hear what you are saying and they're all very good points, including the stuff about cowher in a later post. I am definitely not saying Reid is "THE REASON" that we have not won any SBs. I am simply saying that I wish people would base conclusions on Reid with the same rigor and standards that they apply to McNabb. Thats all. Just a general observation, didn't mean to single out the previous poster.Regarding the choking aspect, I will say this: For every instance that you can point out which McNabb "choked" and cost us a game I can point to a boneheaded play call, stupid challenge, or botched time-out/clock mis-management by Reid that cost us a win as well.

 

[MySportsPress:D.P.]

Now that were well into FA how would you guys evaluate new GM Howie Rosman's decisions?

 

[Donnybrook]

Do you really believe the Eagles are a bad drafting teams because every team over the last 10 years has made a bunch of mistake but the Eagles have been a good not great drafting team who has gotten better the last few years. Also even though the 2nd and 3rd rounders haven't been great the 4th and 5th round have been so lets just trade all the picks for 4th and 5th rounder.

According to these guys, the Eagles are #2 in drafting over the past 5 years.Draft Rankings Last 5 Years

IMHO, those rankings are horrible.

 

[3nOut]

But according to everyone I hear from on the radio, in a bar, on this site, etc, regarding McNabb, it is unacceptable that he has not won a SB yet and most people would rather have a series of losing seasons if there was a ring in there one year.

I totally disagree. The Bucs won a Superbowl in 2003. That season was surrounded by a good number of mediocre (at best) seasons. I'm a Bucs fan and don't think that's any better then what the Eagles have accomplished.

I agree with you, but when given the choice of:ten years of consistent playoff caliber teams with no Ring. or...

ten years of crap play with a ring sandwiched in between,

I'd say 75-85% or the callers (and hosts) to sports radio here in Philly go with option two. Makes no sense to me.

Why do you feel that Philly deserves a championship more than the other teams in the league? Not winning a SB does not mean you are not successful. Its not easy to win a SB. If there was true parity in the league, which I believe everyone wants, then every team should win ONE championship every THIRTY-TWO years. Be happy that you have a SHOT every year because anything can happen in the playoffs. Reid and McNabb give you that shot every year which is more than many other franchises have had.

 

[Moniker]

Why do you feel that Philly deserves a championship more than the other teams in the league? Not winning a SB does not mean you are not successful. Its not easy to win a SB. If there was true parity in the league, which I believe everyone wants, then every team should win ONE championship every THIRTY-TWO years. Be happy that you have a SHOT every year because anything can happen in the playoffs. Reid and McNabb give you that shot every year which is more than many other franchises have had.

Great Posting. I think that this is exactly what (seemingly most) Philly fans just don't grasp.

 

[Amused to Death]

Why do you feel that Philly deserves a championship more than the other teams in the league? Not winning a SB does not mean you are not successful. Its not easy to win a SB. If there was true parity in the league, which I believe everyone wants, then every team should win ONE championship every THIRTY-TWO years. Be happy that you have a SHOT every year because anything can happen in the playoffs. Reid and McNabb give you that shot every year which is more than many other franchises have had.

Great Posting. I think that this is exactly what (seemingly most) Philly fans just don't grasp.

Let's just keep one thing in perspective, no matter how much whining and complaining the fans do it is the Eagles front office (with the blessing of Jeff Laurie) that is shopping McNabb. The fans aren't pushing any player out of Philly. If the fans had that much influence over Reid they'd have a running game.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I think you are overlooking part of the point Hook is making. You think Reid an idiot and his play calling, clock management, etc are horrible - yet year in and year out he wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs. No, he hasn't won the super bowl, but there are only 1 or 2 teams in the entire NFL that have been more consistant over the last decade.

I don't get this. Why does Reid get let off the hook for not winning a Super Bowl? Why is ok that he, "year in and year out wins a ton of regular season games, makes the playoffs and wins games in the playoffs" and when you say the exact same thing about McNabb, he's a choker that can't win the big one? You shrug off the fact that he hasn't won a super bowl and site the team's consistent success as an acceptable substitution. But according to everyone I hear from on the radio, in a bar, on this site, etc, regarding McNabb, it is unacceptable that he has not won a SB yet and most people would rather have a series of losing seasons if there was a ring in there one year. Its this kind of double standard that I always hear the drives me nuts. I know Reid's here for a few more years and this is all a moot point, but the exact argument I use in support of McNabb (that typically no one buys), is the same argument that everyone states for Reid with no problem.Frustrating.

I know this wasn't to me, but I think both Reid and McNabb are in the same boat...successful NFL contributors

 

[Jason Wood]

Now that were well into FA how would you guys evaluate new GM Howie Rosman's decisions?

Howie's job is, quite literally, to do what Andy wants him to do. Love or hate him, Andy makes the decisions. Howie's job is to scout, run the scout team, and answer Andy's questions about said scouted (pro and college) players.

 

[Nagle2998]

Do you really believe the Eagles are a bad drafting teams because every team over the last 10 years has made a bunch of mistake but the Eagles have been a good not great drafting team who has gotten better the last few years. Also even though the 2nd and 3rd rounders haven't been great the 4th and 5th round have been so lets just trade all the picks for 4th and 5th rounder.

I think that Reid is at best an average evaluator of elite talent....

2009 Maclin (Who knows)

2008 No pick traded to CAR (was Jeff Otah)

2007 No pick traded to DAL (part of the Kolb trade)

2006 Brodrick Bunkley (meh)

2005 Mike Patterson (meh)

2004 Shawn Andrews (don't know what happened to him)

2003 Jerome McDougle (has done nothing)

2002 Lito Sheppard ( good pick and part of his most successful draft)

2001 Freddie Mitchell ( Nothing....Reggie Wayne drafted 5 picks later)

2000 Corey Simon ( drafted a positional need....average player)

1999 McNabb ( the best of the QB lot)

No wonder you think the Eagles draft bad you think Patterson and Bunkley are meh and Simon who had Pro Bowl talent while he was here was average. Also you don't judge a draft one just the first round and I'm not saying the Eagles are the Colts of drafting but they are very good IMO.